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(NBC News)   Looks like the iPhone shortage may last a while   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 126
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2012-09-24 07:52:36 AM
The protest leader is reportedly someone named Sam Sung.
 
2012-09-24 08:13:26 AM
So Apple is that bad of a company that they can't even do a release right? Samsung sold 9 million in presales and apple can't handle 4 million in 3 days? Good work Apple, and btw S3 > iPhone 5 in sales. Personally I'm waiting for the Note 2, I was going for the S3 but the quad core Note2 is too tempting.
 
2012-09-24 08:38:03 AM
Well, if the Chi Coms will take executives out and shoot them, who knows what they'll do to the lowly workers.

At least now we'll have a good collection of donated organs to choose from.
 
2012-09-24 08:41:35 AM

LiberalWeenie: "Awhile" is a single word unless preceded by "for," as in "for a while."


If you have ever texed an OMG, or any other contraction please STFU. okimdone.
 
2012-09-24 08:46:25 AM

dr_blasto: He's not upgrading.

Can anyone read anymore?



Yeah, my bad. I apologize for being an asshole. He actually did a smart thing to profit on it :)
 
2012-09-24 08:48:39 AM
Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.
 
2012-09-24 08:50:42 AM

Chevello: Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: Other photos show debris strewn around the Foxconn compound and in one case, an overturned guard tower.

Guard tower? Factories don't need guard towers, prison work camps need guard towers.

That was the big shocker in the article to me too.


Actually corporate security is pretty tight at secure facilities like Texas instruments. They just have millions in RFID tech and CC and other non-human methods of keeping an even tighter lockdown on employees, while china has too many people and not enough for them to do, ergo guard towers and human guards.
 
2012-09-24 08:55:42 AM

KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.


The problem is, the iPhone isn't made using one factory in China. All of the components are made in China, then they are shipped to the Foxconn factory to be assembled. Now, it's likely that Foxconn also manufactures alot of those parts as well. But each one has a specific department with tooling to manufacture that one piece, over and over. It would cost billions, and likely take years to get setup. I'm pretty sure at this point, Apple's stance on this and on the shortage is "lol, whatever, you'll still buy them even if we made horrid child labor part of our advertising campaign FOR the new iPhones. Why spend the money on a new factory to increase cost-of-goods, when we can just keep doing what we're doing and you'll buy it anyway?"
 
2012-09-24 09:19:55 AM

readymix: KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.

The problem is, the iPhone isn't made using one factory in China. All of the components are made in China, then they are shipped to the Foxconn factory to be assembled. Now, it's likely that Foxconn also manufactures alot of those parts as well. But each one has a specific department with tooling to manufacture that one piece, over and over. It would cost billions, and likely take years to get setup. I'm pretty sure at this point, Apple's stance on this and on the shortage is "lol, whatever, you'll still buy them even if we made horrid child labor part of our advertising campaign FOR the new iPhones. Why spend the money on a new factory to increase cost-of-goods, when we can just keep doing what we're doing and you'll buy it anyway?"


I guess that's why the entry for Apple just says "mostly evil".
 
2012-09-24 10:29:52 AM

wholedamnshow: xsarien: sure haven't: I gotta say that Samsung's new commercial is deliciously awesome.

If you think good advertising is illustrating your target customer as "A prick who has nothing better to do with his/her time than troll the people on line at an Apple store."

/ Call me when upgrading the OS on anything but a Nexus is as easy as pushing the "update" button in my phone's settings.
// Happy with the iPhone 4S.
/// Probably buy the 5S/6, though.

On my 1.5 year old HTC Evo 3D, I was prompted to install 4.0. Guess what happened? I pressed update and 30 minutes later.....I had Android 4.0.

Crazy right?


I was prompted to upgrade to iOS 6 within 48 hours of its release. 4.1 was released a while ago. How come you're not on the latest Android OS?
 
2012-09-24 10:35:57 AM
Those police are there just to keep all the people begging for jobs out. Right Foxconn?
 
2012-09-24 10:40:28 AM
Well, I have a...

*reaches in pocket, pulls out phone-ish thing*

Motorola.

Where am I supposed to fall in the scale of fanboyishness / smugdom / makeshift DJitude?



I want to work somewhere where a riot is a real possibility. Days go too slow here.
 
2012-09-24 10:51:03 AM

KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.


Not sure if you're trolling, but I actually would. While there are cases where it's nearly impossible to buy conscientiously, I do so as much as I can.

Dumping my pockets, the only unfriendly country materials I have are my phone and iPad- both China. I avoid when I can, and I am full willing to pay for the better stuff.

That's the core, at least for me. My Red Wings? Last pair lasted six years, cost $200. I'm a year in on the new set, and aside from some sole wear, they should last as long. The "cheaper" Wolverines or Caterpillars they replaced? Fifty bucks and lasted at best a year.

I will cheerfully pay for the better gear. Just make it possible.
 
2012-09-24 11:04:38 AM

Sword and Shield: KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.

Not sure if you're trolling, but I actually would. While there are cases where it's nearly impossible to buy conscientiously, I do so as much as I can.

Dumping my pockets, the only unfriendly country materials I have are my phone and iPad- both China. I avoid when I can, and I am full willing to pay for the better stuff.

That's the core, at least for me. My Red Wings? Last pair lasted six years, cost $200. I'm a year in on the new set, and aside from some sole wear, they should last as long. The "cheaper" Wolverines or Caterpillars they replaced? Fifty bucks and lasted at best a year.

I will cheerfully pay for the better gear. Just make it possible.


No, I'm not trying to troll, at least I don't mean to, I actually think that it is a good idea. I personally make an effort to buy made in USA products when I can, even if they cost more, although there is often no choice or the choice is not very clear cut due to mixed content. Very few things are made these days without some international content. I think that Apple could generate a lot of good will by bringing some aspects of production back to the US. Maybe they don't feel that is necessary given the incredible demand.
 
2012-09-24 11:10:33 AM
Since when do manufacturing plants require guard towers? A security station for preventing theft is one thing, but I'm guessing people aren't passing through metal detectors or anything like that in the tower, so other than shooting people, what is it there for?
 
2012-09-24 11:12:23 AM

KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.


It's actually far less than that. It's been shown that it would raise the price by about $65 (nearly all wage related) to have it built in the U.S. Apple could still sell the phone for the same price it does now but it would get less profit. Which is the whole reason every company eventually offshores to China. It's all about maximizing profit and there comes a point in production when the only way to squeeze more money is moving manufacturing.
 
2012-09-24 12:00:26 PM

Enuratique: sure haven't: Phaeon: bingethinker: sure haven't: I gotta say that Samsung's new commercial is deliciously awesome.

It's awesome to make Samsung owners look like smug douchebags?

It tries to make iPhone people look like dumbasses, but ends up making SIII people look like jackasses. They just had to trade playlists, videos/pics right in front of the line. These kind of phone commercials are part of a terrible cycle of fanboyish bullshiat circle jerking that is unnecessary and childish.


/Galaxy Note owner
//end rant

Well they still have to advertise (what they think are) the sellable aspects of their product. I think it was a well-done spot.
It outlined the ridiculousness that iPhone fans believe they are getting cutting edge tech, and that there is nothing better out there.

I think the best part of the commercial is the subtle digs at iPhone users at the end with the guy holding a spot in line for his parents. So cool even grandma and grandpa are getting in the action!


^^That^^. Yeah, the ad is obnoxious, but it does a fantastic job at parodying iFans and the sorts of comments they're known to make. Best line:
"I heard the new connector is all digital..." [Big, wonderous, excited smile] "...what does that even MEAN?"

And yeah, the part where he's holding a spot for his parents I found particularly amusing, as one of my parents just bought an iPhone (because it's "nothing too fancy").

The iPhone has become the "Jitterbug" of the smartphone world...
 
2012-09-24 12:15:08 PM

swaxhog: KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.

It's actually far less than that. It's been shown that it would raise the price by about $65 (nearly all wage related) to have it built in the U.S. Apple could still sell the phone for the same price it does now but it would get less profit. Which is the whole reason every company eventually offshores to China. It's all about maximizing profit and there comes a point in production when the only way to squeeze more money is moving manufacturing.


The problem isn't just cost; in fact cost is barely a consideration in the equation. According to Jobs, Apple stayed in China to have access to labor that was " flexible" in the sense that they could have these last-second product line turnarounds and launches. The big sell for Chinese manufacturing is the absence of pesky labor laws and general protections.
 
2012-09-24 12:19:35 PM

bingethinker: sure haven't: I gotta say that Samsung's new commercial is deliciously awesome.

It's awesome to make Samsung owners look like smug douchebags?


It's been working for Apple.
 
2012-09-24 12:19:44 PM

Sword and Shield: That's the core, at least for me. My Red Wings? Last pair lasted six years, cost $200. I'm a year in on the new set, and aside from some sole wear, they should last as long. The "cheaper" Wolverines or Caterpillars they replaced? Fifty bucks and lasted at best a year.


The Sam Vimes theory of economic injustice in action.
 
2012-09-24 01:10:57 PM

dr_blasto: swaxhog: KarmicDisaster: Apple should take some of their spare billions that are just sitting there and set up a second assembly line in the US, pay the workers a good wage, and charge more for those phones. You can have a made in USA phone for $1000 or a ChiCom slave labor phone for $600. Your choice. I bet that a lot of people would buy the made locally phone if they could, especially now considering the shortage.

It's actually far less than that. It's been shown that it would raise the price by about $65 (nearly all wage related) to have it built in the U.S. Apple could still sell the phone for the same price it does now but it would get less profit. Which is the whole reason every company eventually offshores to China. It's all about maximizing profit and there comes a point in production when the only way to squeeze more money is moving manufacturing.

The problem isn't just cost; in fact cost is barely a consideration in the equation. According to Jobs, Apple stayed in China to have access to labor that was " flexible" in the sense that they could have these last-second product line turnarounds and launches. The big sell for Chinese manufacturing is the absence of pesky labor laws and general protections.


That actually sounds exactly like cost-based reasoning. In any case, I would never believe a word Jobs said about anything. He was a self deluded snake. Second off boo-hoo, plan better. It comes down to if you can shave $65 off an item and you're selling 50 million of them, it's too compelling to not go that way.
 
2012-09-24 01:31:54 PM

HeartBurnKid: Sword and Shield: That's the core, at least for me. My Red Wings? Last pair lasted six years, cost $200. I'm a year in on the new set, and aside from some sole wear, they should last as long. The "cheaper" Wolverines or Caterpillars they replaced? Fifty bucks and lasted at best a year.

The Sam Vimes theory of economic injustice in action.


Huh. Never knew it had a name.

It holds, though. Unless whatever you're making is able to be overbuilt and still maintain a low price point, it benefits the buyer in the long game to pay for the good materials. A $6 no-name relay for my car burned out in a month, while the $16 Bosch German one still works after three years.

Economy is good, but it can be a false economy.
 
2012-09-24 01:55:40 PM
According to popular tech blog engadget, the disturbance kicked off after Foxconn security guards allegedly hit a worker around 10 p.m. on Sunday.

China is a horrible country to live in. If you actually have a job, the company beats you.
 
2012-09-24 05:29:08 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: wholedamnshow: xsarien: sure haven't: I gotta say that Samsung's new commercial is deliciously awesome.

If you think good advertising is illustrating your target customer as "A prick who has nothing better to do with his/her time than troll the people on line at an Apple store."

/ Call me when upgrading the OS on anything but a Nexus is as easy as pushing the "update" button in my phone's settings.
// Happy with the iPhone 4S.
/// Probably buy the 5S/6, though.

On my 1.5 year old HTC Evo 3D, I was prompted to install 4.0. Guess what happened? I pressed update and 30 minutes later.....I had Android 4.0.

Crazy right?

I was prompted to upgrade to iOS 6 within 48 hours of its release. 4.1 was released a while ago. How come you're not on the latest Android OS?


Because much like an iPhone, an Android phone is only given so many major software updates in it's lifetime. 4.0 was the last one for the Evo 3D.

Although, if I wanted to, I could easily root my phone and install Jellybean.
 
2012-09-24 06:26:32 PM

wholedamnshow: Mitch Taylor's Bro: wholedamnshow: xsarien: sure haven't: I gotta say that Samsung's new commercial is deliciously awesome.

If you think good advertising is illustrating your target customer as "A prick who has nothing better to do with his/her time than troll the people on line at an Apple store."

/ Call me when upgrading the OS on anything but a Nexus is as easy as pushing the "update" button in my phone's settings.
// Happy with the iPhone 4S.
/// Probably buy the 5S/6, though.

On my 1.5 year old HTC Evo 3D, I was prompted to install 4.0. Guess what happened? I pressed update and 30 minutes later.....I had Android 4.0.

Crazy right?

I was prompted to upgrade to iOS 6 within 48 hours of its release. 4.1 was released a while ago. How come you're not on the latest Android OS?

Because much like an iPhone, an Android phone is only given so many major software updates in it's lifetime. 4.0 was the last one for the Evo 3D.

Although, if I wanted to, I could easily root my phone and install Jellybean.


Much like an iPhone? Your phone is 1.5 years old. Mine (iPhone 4) is two years old. Essentially, they're the same vintage, but I get the latest OS. Do you at least get security updates in a timely manner?

Also, if you have to root your phone to get the latest software, is it really as easy as pushing a button?

I was just talking about this thread with a co-worker who loves his Android phone and we both agreed that the only way to get close to the Apple experience with Android is to buy whatever the latest Google Nexus phone is. Hardware Mfr and phone carrier just get in the way.
 
2012-09-24 08:52:58 PM

kyrg: LiberalWeenie: "Awhile" is a single word unless preceded by "for," as in "for a while."

If you have ever texed an OMG, or any other contraction please STFU. okimdone.


OMG isn't a contraction; it's an initialism.
 
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