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(Some Guy)   Republican congressional staffers charged with 36 counts of... wait for it ...election fraud   (lawsonry.com) divider line 108
    More: Ironic, Thaddeus McCotter, US House of Representatives, Teaparty, Michigan Secretary of State, ID laws, Buffett Rule, welfare queen, write-in candidates  
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2012-09-23 07:17:36 PM
The Michigan elections director Chris Thomas called the fake signatures an "unprecedented level of fraud."

I guess they expect a certain amount of fraud, just to keep everybody on their toes.
 
2012-09-23 07:21:53 PM
See? the republicans are right- voter fraud IS rampant!
 
2012-09-23 07:27:38 PM

St_Francis_P: The Michigan elections director Chris Thomas called the fake signatures an "unprecedented level of fraud."

I guess they expect a certain amount of fraud, just to keep everybody on their toes.


Unprecedented != unexpected. It means, "Holy shiat" levels of fraud - above and beyond even the most fraudulent defrauder in the history of fraud.

And WTF - did the Obvious tag call in sick or something?
 
2012-09-23 07:28:09 PM

Dinki: See? the republicans are right- voter fraud IS rampant!


Not sure if trolling.... if not, you may wish to review the difference between voter fraud and election fraud.
 
2012-09-23 07:47:40 PM

vudutek: Dinki: See? the republicans are right- voter fraud IS rampant!

Not sure if trolling.... if not, you may wish to review the difference between voter fraud and election fraud.


Regardless, the obvious solution is to require photo ID, cut back on early voting, and close down state offices that provide photo ID, just to be safe.
 
2012-09-23 08:01:29 PM

vudutek: Dinki: See? the republicans are right- voter fraud IS rampant!

Not sure if trolling.... if not, you may wish to review the difference between voter fraud and election fraud.


Yeah, yeah, Prof. Literal von Pedantic. Look up "hyperbole."
 
2012-09-23 08:26:22 PM
So. Many. Lulz.
 
2012-09-23 08:34:29 PM
Projection isn't ironic, subby.
 
2012-09-23 08:46:17 PM
ACORN!!!
 
2012-09-23 08:48:00 PM
I'm stunned. Staggered. Stupefied.

Except the opposite.
 
2012-09-23 09:02:45 PM
Voter-ID would have fixed it.
 
2012-09-23 09:18:59 PM
caffeinatedthoughts.com

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
2012-09-24 12:40:34 AM
Somewhere, perhaps on a sunny beach, Kathleen Harris is enjoying yet another day of freedom.
 
2012-09-24 08:27:50 AM
Should have checked their IDs
 
2012-09-24 08:35:31 AM

vudutek: the difference between voter fraud and election fraud


Which does this actually count as? It wasn't really an election; just a petition to get the guy's name on the ballot. I say we call it petition fraud.
 
2012-09-24 08:40:16 AM
So he commits fraud and doesn't take personal responsibility and is now out of a job collecting welfare?
 
2012-09-24 08:43:53 AM

serial_crusher: vudutek: the difference between voter fraud and election fraud

Which does this actually count as? It wasn't really an election; just a petition to get the guy's name on the ballot. I say we call it petition fraud.


Petition to add to a ballot for an election...
 
2012-09-24 09:01:46 AM
I guess they didn't check their IDs
 
2012-09-24 09:02:48 AM
Impossible. He's not blah.
 
2012-09-24 09:03:48 AM
This wouldn't be an issue if the plenary would just submit to the will of their betters
 
2012-09-24 09:05:58 AM

doyner: serial_crusher: vudutek: the difference between voter fraud and election fraud

Which does this actually count as? It wasn't really an election; just a petition to get the guy's name on the ballot. I say we call it petition fraud.

Petition to add to a ballot for an election...


If anything, this is more election fraud than me and 1,000 of my closest aliases voted in the next elections. That'd be voter fraud.

Also, isn't this what people were pissed at ACORN about? Or is it only because ACORN used public money?
 
2012-09-24 09:06:33 AM
Unpossible. Election fraud, voter fraud, and indeed ALL forms of fraud are perpetrated exclusively by Demnocrat Liberals.

/Fox News does not lie. Ever.
 
2012-09-24 09:08:13 AM

HighOnCraic: vudutek: Dinki: See? the republicans are right- voter fraud IS rampant!

Not sure if trolling.... if not, you may wish to review the difference between voter fraud and election fraud.

Regardless, the obvious solution is to require photo ID, cut back on early voting, and close down state offices that provide photo ID, just to be safe.


LOL. Thanks. That needed to be said.
 
2012-09-24 09:09:01 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Unpossible. Election fraud, voter fraud, and indeed ALL forms of fraud are perpetrated exclusively by Demnocrat Liberals.

/Fox News does not lie. Ever.


Except when they do. But that's different. For some reason.
 
2012-09-24 09:09:02 AM

Dr Dreidel: Also, isn't this what people were pissed at ACORN about? Or is it only because ACORN used public money?


Technically, no. Because the false names that were collected by ACORN were 1. Not the institutional goal of ACORN, and were actually cases of their employees basically defrauding them, and 2. Were not ever expected or intended to influence an election.
 
2012-09-24 09:09:21 AM
Hmmm. No ACORN yet.
 
2012-09-24 09:09:48 AM

Dinki: See? the republicans are right- voter fraud IS rampant!


This actually is GOP strategy. Don't be too surprised to see this referenced in future GOP election propaganda.

It's like when they get elected on saying the government is broken and spends too much money. They immediately get to work ensuring nothing gets fixed and spending tons of money. See? They were right!
 
2012-09-24 09:11:43 AM
Thaddeus McCotter. Is taht a real name or just a password without numbers?
 
2012-09-24 09:11:50 AM
FTA: "In his resignation statement, McCotter lamented his decreased earnings potential..."

Because it's all about the money he won't be able to steal now.
 
2012-09-24 09:14:29 AM
Preserve the integrity of our elections: Ban republicans from participating in election management.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:06 AM

vudutek: Not sure if trolling.... if not, you may wish to review the difference between voter fraud and election fraud.


That's easy. One is done by individual Republicans and the other is done by Diebold for statewide Republican races.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:42 AM

Skleenar: Dr Dreidel: Also, isn't this what people were pissed at ACORN about? Or is it only because ACORN used public money?

Technically, no. Because the false names that were collected by ACORN were 1. Not the institutional goal of ACORN, and were actually cases of their employees basically defrauding them, and 2. Were not ever expected or intended to influence an election.


And 3. Reported to the election officials by ACORN.
 
2012-09-24 09:17:42 AM
We basically need to put the punishment for election fraud on par with treason.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 09:17:42 AM

Dr Dreidel: doyner: serial_crusher: vudutek: the difference between voter fraud and election fraud

Which does this actually count as? It wasn't really an election; just a petition to get the guy's name on the ballot. I say we call it petition fraud.

Petition to add to a ballot for an election...

If anything, this is more election fraud than me and 1,000 of my closest aliases voted in the next elections. That'd be voter fraud.

Also, isn't this what people were pissed at ACORN about? Or is it only because ACORN used public money?


I thought it turned out they didn't do anything wrong but by then it was too late, the PR and Congress had wrecked them? Or did they actually commit criminal behavior?
 
2012-09-24 09:18:19 AM
Outrageous, slanderous lies. Erroneous on all counts.

Harold Balsagna, Amanda Hugginkiss, and McLovin are lifelong supports of Rep. McCotter, and they were proud to sign his petition.
 
2012-09-24 09:19:26 AM
Nonstory.

Overzelaous staffer.
 
2012-09-24 09:20:23 AM

doyner: We basically need to put the punishment for election fraud on par with treason.


Agreed. These shouldn't be misdemeanor offences. These should be felonies, at the very least. Subverting our democracy is a VERY serious crime.
 
2012-09-24 09:21:19 AM
Funny how the GOP is the most vociferous proponents of these bullshiat Voter ID laws, yet they seem to be the ones who get caught committing fraud more often than not.
 
2012-09-24 09:23:56 AM

keylock71: Funny how the GOP is the most vociferous proponents of these bullshiat Voter ID laws, yet they seem to be the ones who get caught committing fraud more often than not.


projection is a strong trait amongst their kind.
 
2012-09-24 09:24:44 AM
Isolated incident(s)
 
2012-09-24 09:24:53 AM
If only there was a way to verify a persons idenity when they vote with, I don't know, some kind of voter ID system perhaps...

blog.heritage.org
 
2012-09-24 09:24:58 AM

Wheyfaring Stranger: Nonstory.

Overzelaous staffer.


Nonstory. Off the cuff remarks.
 
2012-09-24 09:27:35 AM
isn't this what people were pissed at ACORN about?

ACORN paid people, as free agents, to register others to vote. Some of the people they paid falsified registrations for the money. ACORN then turned in all the registrations, including the falsified ones, as required by law. Anyone can register people to vote, but you typically have to A) take all comers who want to register, and B) turn in ALL completed registrations, not discriminating in any way between political bent, sex, race, or whether you think the information's correct or not. In almost all of the cases the false registrations were dropped from the state voter registrar because of obvious falsity or incorrectness. Those that did slip through never resulted in a fraud because someone would have had to show up and claim legally to be a person who never existed in the first place. Anyone doing that would have been guilty of voter fraud, but that never happened.

McCotter's office staffers on the other hand personally and deliberately falsified the information and signatures of actual people on a state ballot petition, used photocopied signatures from other sources or outright forged the signatures of MI residents, and then attested to the Secretary of State that all of this was, to the best of their knowledge, properly done. The SecState has then dead to rights, and they're in the process of getting screwed out of ever working in politics again as we write.
 
2012-09-24 09:28:05 AM
Lets be clear on this issue, anything a republican knows about voter fraud, he learned from a lib.

cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-09-24 09:28:39 AM

Brick-House: If only there was a way to verify a persons idenity when they vote with, I don't know, some kind of voter ID system perhaps...

[blog.heritage.org image 600x400]


You do know the pains that woman had to go through to GET that ID, don't you? Bureaucracy is in no way black and white my friend.
 
2012-09-24 09:29:49 AM

Brick-House: Lets be clear on this issue, anything a republican knows about voter fraud, he learned from a lib.

[cdn.motinetwork.net image 640x525]


The party of personal responsibility strikes again.
 
2012-09-24 09:29:57 AM
Aw... Someone needs a little attention this morning.
 
2012-09-24 09:30:01 AM

Brick-House: If only there was a way to verify a persons idenity when they vote with, I don't know, some kind of voter ID system perhaps...

[blog.heritage.org image 600x400]


It be nice if someone created one for free without tax payer dollars, otherwise it violates the 24th amendment.
 
2012-09-24 09:31:02 AM

HMS_Blinkin: doyner: We basically need to put the punishment for election fraud on par with treason.

Agreed. These shouldn't be misdemeanor offences. These should be felonies, at the very least. Subverting our democracy is a VERY serious crime.



I am ok with it being a misdemeanor (let's say 30 day penalty), so long as each signature is it's own offence and the sentences must run consecutively, not concurrently.

Also the prison term for bribery should be no less than 1 day for each constituant you have wronged. Consecutively.
 
2012-09-24 09:31:35 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Skleenar: Dr Dreidel: Also, isn't this what people were pissed at ACORN about? Or is it only because ACORN used public money?

Technically, no. Because the false names that were collected by ACORN were 1. Not the institutional goal of ACORN, and were actually cases of their employees basically defrauding them, and 2. Were not ever expected or intended to influence an election.

And 3. Reported to the election officials by ACORN.


And 4. Acorn was registering citizens to vote. These people were falsifying signatures to put candidates on ballots.
 
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