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(WWSB ABC 7)   Yes, the tape clearly shows me kicking a handcuffed suspect while he was on the ground, but who are you going to believe, your eyes or my cop friends? Great... now how about a three year paid vacation?   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 148
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2012-09-24 08:54:47 AM
I guess I don't get the all cops are evil. I have dealt with several in my life and no one has been a dick to me. Sure there are power hunger jerks out there but there are people like that in any job. I think their job would suck. They deal with the worst of society. You see the guy walking away after seeing the guy on the ground. I imagine he was thinking . "Great, another drunk loser I have to deal with. He is probably going to pee or vomit in my car." They have to deal with pedophiles, guys that beat their wives, accidents with body parts everywhere. It doesn't sound like much fun to me.

What would you do if all the cops were gone? Who is going to go about arresting criminals, deal with the drunks, stop the scum of society? Are you going to take care of that?

I think most cops are average decent people. The bad ones just make the news.
 
2012-09-24 08:58:18 AM

CruiserTwelve: This wasn't a civilian review board, it was a civil service board.


You mean these guys "...members of the Civil Service Board violated the state Government-in-the-Sunshine Law..."?

Sounds like a really nice crew running things over there.
 
2012-09-24 08:58:48 AM

blipponaut: Everyone hates the police until they need them, then it's "Why didn't you get here quicker?"


To be honest, it's generally the gun-control nuts who might say that.
 
2012-09-24 09:10:50 AM
We will never evolve as a country until we get rid of all law enforcement positions. Cops are not a solution, they just compound an already out of control education problem.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:28 AM
There are stereotypes for a reason. Cops become cops for a reason. Normally making up for some serious inadequcies in their own life. I have never met a cop that didn't have some trumped up bullshiat story or who was humble. Think of nerdy kid in high school that now has a badge & gun.
 
2012-09-24 09:18:12 AM

99.998er: There are stereotypes for a reason. Cops become cops for a reason. Normally making up for some serious inadequcies in their own life. I have never met a cop that didn't have some trumped up bullshiat story or who was humble. Think of nerdy kid in high school that now has a badge & gun.


I can't agree 100%, but I have no doubt that a LOT of cops are cops because they get a chance to be Mr. Tough Guy.

Some actually want to help make a change, but either end up corrupted, or quit law enforcement all together because they realize it has nothing to do with civil service.
 
2012-09-24 09:23:17 AM
I say double the law enforcement salary! Shiatty job, no doubt. But also say they need to be college grads, educated in that field instead of these idiots with a HS diploma and a few weeks of "training".
 
2012-09-24 09:25:27 AM
Just what do you folks do to have all that interaction with dick cops?
 
2012-09-24 09:26:10 AM
blipponaut

Everyone hates the police until they need them, then it's "Why didn't you get here quicker?"

You have something brown, there on your nose. Do you need a tissue?
 
2012-09-24 09:30:52 AM

99.998er: There are stereotypes for a reason. Cops become cops for a reason. Normally making up for some serious inadequcies in their own life. I have never met a cop that didn't have some trumped up bullshiat story or who was humble. Think of nerdy kid in high school that now has a badge & gun.


Hi.
 
2012-09-24 09:33:21 AM
GuidoDelConfuso

I'm hardly a police apologist, but I gotta say... I watched the video, and it really didn't look like the cop was using excessive force. The guy was clearly drunk and having a hard time standing up
Well ok then. See, the rest of us were just confused. We didn't know that hitting someone with your foot was the best way to assist someone to their feet.

CruiserTwelve: he didn't do what he had originally been accused of doing!

Ok, I give up c.t. I was never good at "where's waldo". Which one is you?
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2012-09-24 09:33:52 AM

Braggi: Just what do you folks do to have all that interaction with dick cops?


Doin' fifty-five in a fifty-fo'
 
2012-09-24 09:40:21 AM

CruiserTwelve: Wow! It's almost like the cop exercised his due process rights and an independent board comprised of non-cops found that he didn't do what he had originally been accused of doing! How unfair!


Well, the medical review found no significant injuries from the kicks, so I'd be with you, but according to a link someone else dropped in the thread: "His final disciplinary hearing was delayed for two years because members of the Civil Service Board violated the state Government-in-the-Sunshine Law while discussing the case amongst themselves" ... so forgive me if I'm not overwhelmed by the judgement of an inderpendent board that somehow can't avoid breaking the law while evaluating the law.
 
2012-09-24 09:42:30 AM

orclover: We will never evolve as a country until we get rid of all law enforcement positions. Cops are not a solution, they just compound an already out of control education problem.


So what happens when I rob you?

You round up a posse and we skip the trial, or you accept the loss and I come back in a month?
 
2012-09-24 09:45:35 AM

99.998er: There are stereotypes for a reason. Cops become cops for a reason. Normally making up for some serious inadequcies in their own life. I have never met a cop that didn't have some trumped up bullshiat story or who was humble. Think of nerdy kid in high school that now has a badge & gun.


So go be a cop.

For all the whining and stereotypes of what all cops are I sure don't see any of the morally superior folks taking one for the team and bettering the world.
 
2012-09-24 09:48:47 AM
Seriously I would love for all the farkers pissed off about all the corruption to get the job, work their way up to supervisory positions and root out the bad.

Why don't I do it you may ask me? Because I don't think the majority of cops are the corrupt thugs fark makes them out to be. If I did then put up or shut up applies to me too.
 
2012-09-24 09:57:26 AM

PallMall: [ytrewq.com image 175x150]

Cop: Stop falling down...
Perp: Ouch!
Cop: Stop falling down...
Perp: Ouch!
Cop: Stop falling down...
Perp: Ouch!


Hmm. That looks less of a kick and more of a squash. Either way, f*ck that guy. :-/
 
2012-09-24 09:57:29 AM
ACAB
 
2012-09-24 10:03:39 AM
So what happens when I rob you?

You round up a posse and we skip the trial, or you accept the loss and I come back in a month?


Can you let me know when you plan on doing that. I would like to rob you when you are done robbing them. And as a heads up. I plan on shooting you so you don't try and rob me later. Thought I would be nice so you can update your insurance policy.
 
2012-09-24 10:17:15 AM
Thank God for heroes like this.

/I feel safer.
 
2012-09-24 10:18:16 AM

Smackledorfer: orclover: We will never evolve as a country until we get rid of all law enforcement positions. Cops are not a solution, they just compound an already out of control education problem.

So what happens when I rob you?

You round up a posse and we skip the trial, or you accept the loss and I come back in a month?


You mean like after my parent's house was burglarized, and and two hours after they called the cops, one patrolman showed up, took a report on what was taken, admitted that most likely they'd never see it again, but he'd "pass it on to a detective" (who they never heard from, even when they called and left messages to see what was happening), and gave them a copy of the police report for their insurance company? I think a posse would have worked better.
 
2012-09-24 10:20:02 AM
Probably went with the "I was trying to help him get up with my foot" or "there was a big spider on him and I was just trying
to help".
 
2012-09-24 10:28:46 AM

brianbankerus: CruiserTwelve: The City of Sarasota's Civil Service Board has overturned the firing of a Sarasota Police officer from a 2009 incident.

Wow! It's almost like the cop exercised his due process rights and an independent board comprised of non-cops found that he didn't do what he had originally been accused of doing! How unfair!

Seattle's "citizens review board" is made up of one prosecutor, one cop, and one retired cop... they never find any merit in citizen complaints, which puts my mind at ease. I mean, they are impartial.


You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.
 
2012-09-24 10:29:42 AM

99.998er: I say double the law enforcement salary! Shiatty job, no doubt. But also say they need to be college grads, educated in that field instead of these idiots with a HS diploma and a few weeks of "training".


Same problem TSA has.
There are not enough "watchers" for all the watching.

/there is a self limiting factor to this Super Nanny dealeo
 
2012-09-24 10:36:09 AM

abhorrent1: Farking cops. Die.


You are part of the problem. Police maintain the thin blue line because they know that they cannot get a fair hearing from mouth breathing idiots who respond 'A cop shoved a guy down with his foot...die cop'. Of course they cover up to protect their own from people who have never been in the situations that they have to deal with, and the side effect is that they also cover up for truly bad and corrupt cops.
 
2012-09-24 10:40:25 AM

devildog123: Smackledorfer: orclover: We will never evolve as a country until we get rid of all law enforcement positions. Cops are not a solution, they just compound an already out of control education problem.

So what happens when I rob you?

You round up a posse and we skip the trial, or you accept the loss and I come back in a month?

You mean like after my parent's house was burglarized, and and two hours after they called the cops, one patrolman showed up, took a report on what was taken, admitted that most likely they'd never see it again, but he'd "pass it on to a detective" (who they never heard from, even when they called and left messages to see what was happening), and gave them a copy of the police report for their insurance company? I think a posse would have worked better.


Yes, the police should have gotten out the full spectrum analyzed and used laser interferometry to pull fingerprints off of every surface and run that through the National Fingerprint Crossindex database and instantly come up with the culprits. Or, you know, they could realize that innocent until proven guilty means that unless caught in the act, the most you are going to get someone with is possession of stolen goods, and even then it is unlikely to find those people (there are a lot of pawn shops, etc., and no real way to watch them all for stolen goods).

Not exactly sure what you would expect a posse to do. Ride around and chase suspicious looking people (maybe shooting some of them in the chest for buying skittles).

Yeah, i know it sucks that we don't live in a police state and crime can occur, but that is the price of freedom.
 
2012-09-24 10:42:54 AM

99.998er: There are stereotypes for a reason. Cops become cops for a reason. Normally making up for some serious inadequcies in their own life. I have never met a cop that didn't have some trumped up bullshiat story or who was humble. Think of nerdy kid in high school that now has a badge & gun.


The difficulty of believing in stereotypes is that it allows the outliers to define the norm. the majority of any population living in the middle of the bell curve is usually unremarkable. it is the edges of the curve that are very observable, and fool people outside of the population into thinking that the outliers are what the entire population must be like. yes, there are bad cops, and these are the ones you hear about. That doesn't mean that most cops are bad.
 
2012-09-24 10:43:53 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Story with much detail. Link


In other words he was fired because it looked bad, not because of wrongdoing.
 
2012-09-24 10:49:14 AM

fredklein: CruiserTwelve: he didn't do what he had originally been accused of doing!

Of course he did. Video don't lie. But cops do.

[img402.imageshack.us image 677x150] 

Also, "investigators concluded he violated five department policies."

Oh, and the little fact that he was fired.

But if you ignore all that, yeah, sure, he's completely innocent.

Oh, and regarding the claim the cop made about "not trying to hurt him or use any more force than necessary to keep him subdued."- Um, he's laying on the ground! How much more "subdued" do you want him?!?!

It's not like the cop was threatened at all- he was sauntering around with his hands in his pockets.


In the videos, the person is clearly trying to get up at the times the officer 'kicks' him.

As you point out, the officer is claerly not threatened or acting in fear or rage, based on his body language.

Let me ask you this, Freddy, and it will be tough for you because it will require a little critical thinking...if the officer had used the EXACT same amount of force, but used his hands instead of his foot, would there be a problem here? Isn't it possible that the real issue is not the actual application of force, but the perception of events?
 
2012-09-24 10:57:31 AM

Smackledorfer: Seriously I would love for all the farkers pissed off about all the corruption to get the job, work their way up to supervisory positions and root out the bad.

Why don't I do it you may ask me? Because I don't think the majority of cops are the corrupt thugs fark makes them out to be. If I did then put up or shut up applies to me too.


I did, alas they thought my herb smoking habit made me unsuitable, change the laws and I will be there in a jiffy.
 
2012-09-24 11:03:47 AM
Notice they didn't say he didn't kick a handcuffed citizen. He clearly did and they have the video proving it. They said the "level of force was not unreasonable" which is a blatant lie. ANY force other than picking up and moving used against a handcuffed citizen is unreasonable.
 
2012-09-24 11:04:56 AM

devlin carnate: The SPD also had to pay out 2 separate "Please don't sue us" settlements totaling over $130k because Sgt. Oinksalot was so innocent.

Wipe off your chin before you go on parking lot duty, Cruiser 12.


The city settled two suits without going to trial. That was their choice and it happens all the time. It doesn't mean the guy did anything wrong. He had no say in the settlement.

Look, I never apologized for or agreed with the guys behavior. What I said was that the cop followed the set procedure for appealing his discipline, and it was determined through that process that he did not commit the violations he was charged with and had been terminated for. You may disagree with that finding and maybe I might disagree with that finding but that's irrelevant. The people that have the final say in the matter said his actions did not constitute a violation of policy.

Let's put it this way - I'm not defending the cop, I'm defending the system. Would you at least agree that there should be some kind of disciplinary system for cops, and should that system include an appeals process outside the department?
 
2012-09-24 11:05:07 AM

Smackledorfer: Seriously I would love for all the farkers pissed off about all the corruption to get the job, work their way up to supervisory positions and root out the bad.

Why don't I do it you may ask me? Because I don't think the majority of cops are the corrupt thugs fark makes them out to be. If I did then put up or shut up applies to me too.


Link

About a half-dozen stories a day of cops acting above the law. And thats just the ones that get caught doing so. And, that site mainly just covers the stories related to photograhy rights.

Funny how cops always use the "but its a hard job" BS to excuse their poor behavior. I don't see firefighters or medics getting into trouble nearly this much, and they work the same streets.
 
2012-09-24 11:08:34 AM

orclover: We will never evolve as a country until we get rid of all law enforcement positions. Cops are not a solution, they just compound an already out of control education problem.


how's that third semester treatin' ya?
 
2012-09-24 11:10:25 AM

MycroftHolmes: Let me ask you this, Freddy, and it will be tough for you because it will require a little critical thinking...if the officer had used the EXACT same amount of force, but used his hands instead of his foot, would there be a problem here? Isn't it possible that the real issue is not the actual application of force, but the perception of events?


you mean punched the living crap out of a prone, handcuffed person? Yeah, I'd have trouble with that too.
 
2012-09-24 11:26:58 AM
Childers will receive back pay for the last three years.

So when is the party?
 
2012-09-24 11:33:22 AM

99.998er: Think of nerdy kid in high school that now has a badge & gun.


Actually, given my experience, it's usually the 2nd string high school jocks who become cops. The ones who are athletic and aggressive enough to make the team but not talented enough to be a starter.
 
2012-09-24 12:01:26 PM

MycroftHolmes: brianbankerus: CruiserTwelve: The City of Sarasota's Civil Service Board has overturned the firing of a Sarasota Police officer from a 2009 incident.

Wow! It's almost like the cop exercised his due process rights and an independent board comprised of non-cops found that he didn't do what he had originally been accused of doing! How unfair!

Seattle's "citizens review board" is made up of one prosecutor, one cop, and one retired cop... they never find any merit in citizen complaints, which puts my mind at ease. I mean, they are impartial.

You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.


So, no more trial by jury. Cool.
 
2012-09-24 12:03:25 PM
Just protcktin an swrvin here, Boss.

Let sociopaths do your policing and this is what you asked for.
 
2012-09-24 12:08:04 PM

MycroftHolmes: You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.


And just imagine the quality of officer we'd get after the knee-jerk reactions all kicked in. Lets make it the shiattiest job in town, when we already have trouble getting someone we'd want doing it to take the job, and see what happens.
 
2012-09-24 12:10:23 PM

Smackledorfer: MycroftHolmes: You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.

And just imagine the quality of officer we'd get after the knee-jerk reactions all kicked in. Lets make it the shiattiest job in town, when we already have trouble getting someone we'd want doing it to take the job, and see what happens.


You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
 
2012-09-24 12:11:24 PM

offmymeds: Smackledorfer: MycroftHolmes: You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.

And just imagine the quality of officer we'd get after the knee-jerk reactions all kicked in. Lets make it the shiattiest job in town, when we already have trouble getting someone we'd want doing it to take the job, and see what happens.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.


Maybe if you put the application on pizza boxes,,,
 
2012-09-24 12:19:22 PM

StoPPeRmobile: MycroftHolmes: brianbankerus: CruiserTwelve: The City of Sarasota's Civil Service Board has overturned the firing of a Sarasota Police officer from a 2009 incident.

Wow! It's almost like the cop exercised his due process rights and an independent board comprised of non-cops found that he didn't do what he had originally been accused of doing! How unfair!

Seattle's "citizens review board" is made up of one prosecutor, one cop, and one retired cop... they never find any merit in citizen complaints, which puts my mind at ease. I mean, they are impartial.

You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.

So, no more trial by jury. Cool.


fireclown: MycroftHolmes: Let me ask you this, Freddy, and it will be tough for you because it will require a little critical thinking...if the officer had used the EXACT same amount of force, but used his hands instead of his foot, would there be a problem here? Isn't it possible that the real issue is not the actual application of force, but the perception of events?

you mean punched the living crap out of a prone, handcuffed person? Yeah, I'd have trouble with that too.


Did you watch the video? He first) applied enough pressure to cause a very inebriated person to gently fall over, then second) applied pressure with his foot to hold the person down. Nowhere does that equate to enough force to punch or kick the living crap out of someone. Are you serious?
 
2012-09-24 12:20:10 PM

LemSkroob: Smackledorfer: Seriously I would love for all the farkers pissed off about all the corruption to get the job, work their way up to supervisory positions and root out the bad.

Why don't I do it you may ask me? Because I don't think the majority of cops are the corrupt thugs fark makes them out to be. If I did then put up or shut up applies to me too.

Link

About a half-dozen stories a day of cops acting above the law. And thats just the ones that get caught doing so. And, that site mainly just covers the stories related to photograhy rights.

Funny how cops always use the "but its a hard job" BS to excuse their poor behavior. I don't see firefighters or medics getting into trouble nearly this much, and they work the same streets.


"Hi, I'm LemSkroob. I make up numbers and haven't learned enough about statistics to figure out the difference between bad incidents being publicized in a nation of 300 million people on a regular basis and events actually occurring with a high percentage frequency"

You'll note I didn't say "but it's a hard job" though. I said 'if you are morally superior (and obviously many are relative to the cops who abuse their power) and you feel the majority of cops are corrupt, you should go to the academy, take the job, and enact change'. This may be a system that can only be changed from within, but certainly it isn't a situation that is going to be fixed by over-the-top internet posting. I'm not being sarcastic when I suggest that people who find an area of society to be morally bankrupt are the people who need to enter that part of society.

Politicians are bankrupt so I don't get involved.
Lawyers are evil sharks so I don't get involved.
Cops are thugs so I won't get involved.

HEY EVERYONE, WHY IS MY YELLING ON THE INTERNET NOT CONVINCING THE POLITICIANS AND LAWYERS TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE COPS?!!!


See the problem?

As for firefighters and emts: emts I know have gotten in trouble, and firefighters spend the majority of the day napping in the firehouse while they manage to include overtime in a 3-day week (and frankly that doesn't even bother me) - except for where the firefighters are the emts, in which case they also get in trouble. It tends to be less of an outrage story going nation-wide when someone sues an emt for farking up though. And as I always have to say in these threads: I am not defending abuse of power by cops - it is bad and should be dealt with every time it rears its ugly head. But when the side pushing the hardest for it to be dealt with also tends to show itself to be the least understanding of use of force policy and somehow more biased than the cops themselves, that isn't helping. Get your shiat together, focus on the events when and where they happen, and don't give up.

Making outrageous exaggerations while doing your best to remain an outsider to any of the processes and alienating anyone within the system with the ability to enact change? Ya, that ain't helping.
 
2012-09-24 12:20:13 PM
I for one, am glad the police department came to its senses and reinstated this fine, upstanding officer. After all, why should the video evidence showing the Officer Childers kicking a handcuffed suspect be believed when his fellow officers have stated that he DID NOT kick the handcuffed suspect. It has been proven that police officers cannot lie. I think it should be illegal to record cops because it's quite obvious that video evidence can be easily falsified.

The only upside to this whole case is that Officer Childers has received back-pay for the last three years since his firing. I can only hope that the vast sums of money he received from the taxpayers help ease the pain he suffered when he stubbed his toe NOT KICKING the handcuffed suspect.
 
2012-09-24 12:21:38 PM

snocone: Maybe if you put the application on pizza boxes,,,


I see them at bus stops. Because you know people with their shiat together are taking the bus in cities with shiatty public transportation (I wouldn't place that judgement on a New Yorker, I'll definitely place it on people in Detroit and Toledo).
 
2012-09-24 12:22:38 PM

Smackledorfer: MycroftHolmes: You think it is more appropriate to be judged by people who are trying to judge appropriate actions for situations they have never been in? You honestly think that cops would get a fair review of their actions from politicians and elected city officials? Just read this thread and see how many idiotic 'kill all cops' and 'cops are the worst threat to america' derps there are, and tell me with a straight face that a board not made up of LEO or ex-LEO can honestly and objectively judge an LEO's actions.

I am all for accountability for police officers actions, I just do not believe that people who only see one side of the story, and can only empathize with one party of the incident, can objectively judge police actions.

And just imagine the quality of officer we'd get after the knee-jerk reactions all kicked in. Lets make it the shiattiest job in town, when we already have trouble getting someone we'd want doing it to take the job, and see what happens.


I think you misunderstand what I propose. i am all for greater levels of accountability, but more fair judgement of actions. I would want actions to be reviewed by people familiar with law enforcement who can make a more informed evaluation of officer actions based on experience. If, after that, the officer was found to act in a way inappropriate, then i would want full levels of accountability. This should make the job better, not worse. No more political sacrificial lambs. no more second guessing from someone who has never been in the same situation.
 
2012-09-24 12:27:35 PM
My post was sarcasm, I was agreeing with you MycroftHolmes.
 
2012-09-24 12:44:11 PM
What I meant to say was that you pay a cop low wages, you get someone who is perhaps not quite up to expectations.
 
2012-09-24 12:48:10 PM

Braggi: ...

I think most cops are average decent people. The bad ones just make the news.


No, it's the completely off the rails impunity which officers are afforded that makes the news. Officers generally protect their own to no end, so when the department fires one they are probably not very good officers, and probably have a history.

We need public oversight to get more of these assholes in jail/fired, not to review a proper firing and apply their 'just world' filter to give them their job back.

Anyway, the "bad ones" should make the news because generally they are being protected by the "good ones" who are "bad ones" because they allow it.
 
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