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(KSTU FOX 13)   Accidents are down 20% where Utah raised speed limits to 80 mph   (fox13now.com) divider line 167
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2012-09-23 06:22:50 PM  
Drive faster, and you're forced to pay more attention to your surroundings. You can't afford any distractions.

Also, for longer trips, you get there faster, reducing driver fatigue.

Now if we could just work on enforcing Euro-style lane occupancy and yielding etiquette.

THIS POST IS FOR YOU, MISTER LEFT-LANE GO TWENTY UNDER THE LIMIT AND NOT BUDGE ASSHOLE.
 
2012-09-23 06:26:17 PM  

markie_farkie: Drive faster, and you're forced to pay more attention to your surroundings. You can't afford any distractions.

Also, for longer trips, you get there faster, reducing driver fatigue.

Now if we could just work on enforcing Euro-style lane occupancy and yielding etiquette.

THIS POST IS FOR YOU, MISTER LEFT-LANE GO TWENTY UNDER THE LIMIT AND NOT BUDGE ASSHOLE.


You also have less people who want to do 85 zooming around the slowpokes.
 
2012-09-23 06:42:45 PM  

make me some tea: markie_farkie: Drive faster, and you're forced to pay more attention to your surroundings. You can't afford any distractions.

Also, for longer trips, you get there faster, reducing driver fatigue.

Now if we could just work on enforcing Euro-style lane occupancy and yielding etiquette.

THIS POST IS FOR YOU, MISTER LEFT-LANE GO TWENTY UNDER THE LIMIT AND NOT BUDGE ASSHOLE.

You also have less people who want to do 85 zooming around the slowpokes.


AND fewer cases where you're driving along at 85 and suddenly have to hit the brakes because some fool is doing 55 in the number one lane.
 
2012-09-23 06:42:49 PM  
It also means you can get the hell out of Utah faster.
 
2012-09-23 06:44:02 PM  
What is the percentage change in traffic fatalities now? Higher speeds may help reduce the number of traffic accidents, but the higher speeds can also lead to more serious incidents when they occur.

Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.
 
2012-09-23 06:46:02 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: What is the percentage change in traffic fatalities now? Higher speeds may help reduce the number of traffic accidents, but the higher speeds can also lead to more serious incidents when they occur.

Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.


I drive 5 over in the slow lane and get passed constantly.
 
2012-09-23 06:46:19 PM  
Didn't Germany prove that high speeds are not the problem with the Autobahn?
Of course, the roads are built to LAST (unlike the repaving done here every few years),
the autos are built to a higher quality, and unlike here, the testing to GET a license
is more than just simply filling out of form.
 
2012-09-23 06:47:51 PM  
The findings were somewhat unexpected, but it appears drivers tend to comply to higher speed limits.

Because my car is modern, not from 1988. It has modern tires, modern brakes, a modern suspension and modern steering. It can safely drive around at 80. I wouldn't feel comfortable above that, though as 80 is about where it cruises smoothly and easily.

AverageAmericanGuy: Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.


Actually, if you don't have the confidence to control your car at the posted limit in clear conditions, please just stay off the road, thanks. People drive slow because they can't control their car properly and that means they do other dangerous things like not checking for a clear spot before changing lanes, stopping on ramps for no reason, etc.

If you're afraid to drive take a taxi, save a life.
 
2012-09-23 06:48:33 PM  

markie_farkie:

THIS POST IS FOR YOU, MISTER LEFT-LANE GO TWENTY UNDER THE LIMIT AND NOT BUDGE ASSHOLE.


That's the real reason - when the speed limit is close to the average speed accidents are reduced. When the speed limit is lower there is more speed diversity, hence more accidents.
 
2012-09-23 06:49:42 PM  

DarthBart: It also means you can get the hell out of Utah faster.


Ever been to Utah? It's pretty, I like being there.
 
2012-09-23 06:49:51 PM  
People drive between 75 and 80 pretty much on any section of divided highway here, whether the speed limit is 65, 75 or 80.
 
2012-09-23 06:50:33 PM  

lewismarktwo: AverageAmericanGuy: What is the percentage change in traffic fatalities now? Higher speeds may help reduce the number of traffic accidents, but the higher speeds can also lead to more serious incidents when they occur.

Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.

I drive 5 over in the slow lane and get passed constantly.


Depends on the area you drive in, and the time of day. I take about 12 miles of I94 between Ann Arbor and Detroit every day, around 5AM and 3PM. At 5AM going 5 over I never get passed and pass at least 15-20 cars. At 3PM I go 15 over and can't spend more than 10 seconds in the fast lane without getting tailgated.

At any rate, it's not speed that causes accidents, it's difference in speed. IMO Min speed should be a lot closer to the speed limit, and speed limit increased. 75 min 85 max would work for me. YMMV
 
2012-09-23 06:50:36 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: What is the percentage change in traffic fatalities now? Higher speeds may help reduce the number of traffic accidents, but the higher speeds can also lead to more serious incidents when they occur.

Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.


Hmm, that's an interesting idea, different speed limits in left/right lanes.
 
2012-09-23 06:50:41 PM  
US roads are 4 inches thick on average. In Germany, they are 6"-8" on average.. MUCH better roads.
 
2012-09-23 06:50:52 PM  

lewismarktwo: AverageAmericanGuy: What is the percentage change in traffic fatalities now? Higher speeds may help reduce the number of traffic accidents, but the higher speeds can also lead to more serious incidents when they occur.

Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.

I drive 5 over in the slow lane and get passed constantly.


Not by me. You'd be the one passing me. I'd just smile and wave you on by.

Driving isn't all about right of way. It's about cooperating with other drivers to keep things rolling smoothly. I see too many people closing up gaps when nearing onramps. Traffic would flow much better, traffic jams would be avoided, and there wouldn't be any delay to the aggressive driver if he opened up a little space to let a merging car in. Instead he closes the gap, forces the merging car to slow down, back up traffic on the onramp, tie up local streets, and force every subsequent merging vehicle to merge at a much lower speed which farks up traffic on the highway.

We're all out there together. Let's drive with courtesy.
 
2012-09-23 06:51:01 PM  
Everyone knows that the longer you are on the road, the greater the chance youll get into an accident.
 
2012-09-23 06:51:47 PM  
All I know is that when I'm driving up I-15 and I-70 I'm doing 85 and so is pretty much everyone else.
 
2012-09-23 06:52:55 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: AverageAmericanGuy: Drive 5 under in the slow lane. Let the speed demons have their fast lane.

Actually, if you don't have the confidence to control your car at the posted limit in clear conditions, please just stay off the road, thanks. People drive slow because they can't control their car properly and that means they do other dangerous things like not checking for a clear spot before changing lanes, stopping on ramps for no reason, etc.

If you're afraid to drive take a taxi, save a life.


It's the speed limit, not the suggested cruising speed.
 
2012-09-23 06:54:36 PM  
As someone who usually drives the speed limit, slow drivers are way more annoying than the fast ones. Especially the idiots who are still doing 40 at the end of the onramp merging onto the highway. Always getting stuck behind one of those.
 
2012-09-23 06:54:46 PM  

squeez cheez: markie_farkie:

THIS POST IS FOR YOU, MISTER LEFT-LANE GO TWENTY UNDER THE LIMIT AND NOT BUDGE ASSHOLE.

That's the real reason - when the speed limit is close to the average speed accidents are reduced. When the speed limit is lower there is more speed diversity, hence more accidents.


There's a "construction" zone on I-25 in Denver that is '45' all the time. The slowest safe speed for that stretch is about 60. Which means you've got people in the left lane going 75, people in the center lane trying to go 45 (and the occasional moral in the left lane trying to go 45).

/I don't care for driving that stretch
 
2012-09-23 06:55:17 PM  
Abolish all speed limits and get rid of auto insurance. You'll see some safe drivin' motherfarkers
 
2012-09-23 06:55:20 PM  

p51d007: Didn't Germany prove that high speeds are not the problem with the Autobahn?
Of course, the roads are built to LAST (unlike the repaving done here every few years),
the autos are built to a higher quality, and unlike here, the testing to GET a license
is more than just simply filling out of form.


good point. getting a license in the usa is too cheap and easy. it means nothing and the privilege is abused. drunks, young inexperienced drivers and drivers too old to be safely driving is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2012-09-23 06:56:04 PM  
Just don't tie your dog to the roof.
 
2012-09-23 06:56:25 PM  

Heraclitus: Everyone knows that the longer you are on the road, the greater the chance youll get into an accident.


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2012-09-23 06:57:59 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's the speed limit, not the suggested cruising speed.


The proper cruising speed is the average the rest of the people in your lane are doing. If you're going slower, you're an obstruction and, therefore, a danger.

If you can't keep up, stay off the road.
 
2012-09-23 06:59:35 PM  

browntimmy: As someone who usually drives the speed limit, slow drivers are way more annoying than the fast ones. Especially the idiots who are still doing 40 at the end of the onramp merging onto the highway. Always getting stuck behind one of those.


At least you get the people that keep rolling. I usually wind up with the morons that treat the Yield sign like it's a Stop sign and then get pinned at the end of the ramp and either have to wait for a long opening or pull out in front of a line of traffic and make everyone hit the brakes because they have nowhere left to build up speed... farking morons.
 
2012-09-23 06:59:40 PM  
Here's another suggestion for reducing accidents (and traffic, for that matter) -- stop giving driving licenses to every retard that walks into the DMV. It's way too easy to become a licensed driver in most states, so the roads are flooded with morons who have no idea how to handle an automobile and can't make a decision.
 
2012-09-23 07:00:32 PM  

markie_farkie: Drive faster, and you're forced to pay more attention to your surroundings. You can't afford any distractions.

Also, for longer trips, you get there faster, reducing driver fatigue.

Now if we could just work on enforcing Euro-style lane occupancy and yielding etiquette.

THIS POST IS FOR YOU, MISTER LEFT-LANE GO TWENTY UNDER THE LIMIT AND NOT BUDGE ASSHOLE.


Done in one.
I have two driving modes: fast enough to stay alert and engaged, and zoning out.
 
2012-09-23 07:01:08 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-23 07:01:25 PM  
There should be no speed limits on the open highway, full stop.
 
2012-09-23 07:02:23 PM  

Ed_Severson: Here's another suggestion for reducing accidents (and traffic, for that matter) -- stop giving driving licenses to every retard that walks into the DMV. It's way too easy to become a licensed driver in most states, so the roads are flooded with morons who have no idea how to handle an automobile and can't make a decision.


And take them away more easily.

First DUI? Five years. Second? Permanent.

Speeding at more than +5? Month. Speeding at more than +14? Year. Speeding at more than +19? Permanent.
 
2012-09-23 07:02:55 PM  

Ed_Severson: Here's another suggestion for reducing accidents (and traffic, for that matter) -- stop giving driving licenses to every retard that walks into the DMV. It's way too easy to become a licensed driver in most states, so the roads are flooded with morons who have no idea how to handle an automobile and can't make a decision.


I'd be all for that in cities that have decent public transportation systems. Elsewhere, driving a car is practically a necessity for survival.
 
2012-09-23 07:03:32 PM  
One other change would help: End the regulations exempting vehicles sold in Utah from having low beam headlights. I know these regulations exist because I drive through Utah at night occasionally and NO ONE DIMS THEIR LIGHTS! EVER!

/rant over
 
2012-09-23 07:04:10 PM  
More speed means higher throughput for these roads. Overall, more men get to their destinations.
 
2012-09-23 07:04:38 PM  
What, was the Obvious tag pulled over for going 2 mph over the limit?
 
2012-09-23 07:04:49 PM  
Slow drivers (who generally speaking are afraid of being ticketed by money hungry cops) force others to make lane changes to get around them. Those lane changes are a huge trigger for accidents.

Setting the speed limit too low as compared to the 'natural' flow of traffic has been shown over and over again to increase accidents.
 
2012-09-23 07:05:56 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Overall, more men get to their destinations.


Are you controlling for us not asking directions (with and without GPS)?
 
2012-09-23 07:07:17 PM  

browntimmy: As someone who usually drives the speed limit, slow drivers are....


If you're someone who usually drives the speed limit, you ARE one of the slow drivers.

In just about every state I'm aware of, traffic tickets can't be issued for doing less than 10 mph over the speed limit unless you're in a school zone. Set your cruise control for 7 or 8 mph over the limit and be done with it.
 
2012-09-23 07:09:03 PM  
I'll be more interested when they correlate increased speed limits with decreased fatality rates. Those remaining 80% of crashes may be at higher speeds and with higher fatality rates. Our bodies are not meant to handle rapid decellerations from 80mph to zero in fractions of a second. or really 60mph to zero, either.

/physician who gets to see these highway speed accidents not too infrequently
//waiting for google's automated car =)
 
2012-09-23 07:11:16 PM  
I usually drive 85-90 on the Turner Turnpike, same as just about everyone else. Speed limit is 75 but the cops only care if you go over 100.
 
2012-09-23 07:13:22 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: browntimmy: As someone who usually drives the speed limit, slow drivers are way more annoying than the fast ones. Especially the idiots who are still doing 40 at the end of the onramp merging onto the highway. Always getting stuck behind one of those.

At least you get the people that keep rolling. I usually wind up with the morons that treat the Yield sign like it's a Stop sign and then get pinned at the end of the ramp and either have to wait for a long opening or pull out in front of a line of traffic and make everyone hit the brakes because they have nowhere left to build up speed... farking morons.


Concur. 120%.
 
2012-09-23 07:13:42 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The findings were somewhat unexpected, but it appears drivers tend to comply to higher speed limits.

Because my car is modern, not from 1988. It has modern tires, modern brakes, a modern suspension and modern steering. It can safely drive around at 80. I wouldn't feel comfortable above that, though as 80 is about where it cruises smoothly and easily.


You may have confidence in YOUR vehicle and tires, but what about John Q Public's vehicle and tires? Driving 80 mph means you have 36% more kinetic energy than you'd have driving at 70 mph since kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity. That energy is dissipated in a crash. That means someone else's crappy 1988 car sporting10 year old tires with no tread is going to need to dissipate 36% more energy if a tire blows out, an animal darts across the road, etc.

I agree with another poster above -- I'm not sure it's surprising to see fewer accidents, but I strongly suspect the proportion of FATAL accidents is significantly greater.
 
2012-09-23 07:14:34 PM  

obijuan1: I'll be more interested when they correlate increased speed limits with decreased fatality rates. Those remaining 80% of crashes may be at higher speeds and with higher fatality rates. Our bodies are not meant to handle rapid decellerations from 80mph to zero in fractions of a second. or really 60mph to zero, either.


The stats I've generally seen show more fatalities (not just as a percentage, but the raw number of fatalities is higher).. Fewer crashes occur, but the increase in speed makes the crashes that do occur that much more deadly.

With that said though, I still prefer the higher speed limits.
 
2012-09-23 07:14:47 PM  

Drummer: US roads are 4 inches thick on average. In Germany, they are 6"-8" on average.. MUCH better roads.


Autobahn thickness is 12", and no curvature of the highway can go past a certain degree...it's very low. Prevents hard corners and such. Forget the curve number, but remembered the thickness. It's some special process they use that takes forever because when it's done it's a seamless transition from old concrete to new. Pretty incredible.
 
2012-09-23 07:15:41 PM  

Drummer: US roads are 4 inches thick on average. In Germany, they are 6"-8" on average.. MUCH better roads.


Unfortunately European drivers (at least West Europe) are a whole lot better than American drivers. Getting a license is actually pretty hard in Europe. They also have better roads. And their cars are usually in better shape because they have to have them tested annually. Plus they mostly drive stick.
 
2012-09-23 07:16:01 PM  
Less time on the road = less fatigue.

/which is a bigger killer than drunk drivers.
 
2012-09-23 07:17:23 PM  

Kiwimann: Slow drivers (who generally speaking are afraid of being ticketed by money hungry cops) force others to make lane changes to get around them. Those lane changes are a huge trigger for accidents.

Setting the speed limit too low as compared to the 'natural' flow of traffic has been shown over and over again to increase accidents.


The cops around here don't really have too much "crime" to solve, so they had many of the speed limits on the rural roads (especially some of the straight roads with good visibility) lowered 10-20KM/hr simply to boost their fine-taking.

So your attention is on your speedometer instead of the road where it belongs if you want to avoid a big fine (and they don't hand out warnings any mpre - EVERY stop must result in a ticket, now. And they just LOVE letting the insurance companies know, too). Nice move, piggies. Rot in hell.
 
2012-09-23 07:17:36 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: browntimmy: As someone who usually drives the speed limit, slow drivers are way more annoying than the fast ones. Especially the idiots who are still doing 40 at the end of the onramp merging onto the highway. Always getting stuck behind one of those.

At least you get the people that keep rolling. I usually wind up with the morons that treat the Yield sign like it's a Stop sign and then get pinned at the end of the ramp and either have to wait for a long opening or pull out in front of a line of traffic and make everyone hit the brakes because they have nowhere left to build up speed... farking morons.


That's how my grandmother drove. Go up the acceleration lane, then *stop*. She got rearended more than once.

She also drove with two feet. One on the gas, one resting on the brake pedal. Her brake lights were constantly on and she'd go through a set of brake pads a year (and then get hosed for $300+ at the local ripoff garage).
 
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2012-09-23 07:22:31 PM  
WOOT!!!! I can get home from the bar faster!!!!!!
 
2012-09-23 07:23:08 PM  
Actually, the number of accidents in those areas tripled. It is just that the people are going so fast that their wrecks are found outside of those 80-mile per hours zones.
 
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