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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP at the RNC: We're going to make this election about the last four years and how terrible Obama has been. GOP today: Uh...turns out the last four years weren't so bad, so you should make this about the next four years   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 57
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2012-09-23 07:25:51 PM  
7 votes:

Cletus C.: If Obama wins a second term will it finally be his?


NO. Do you realize that a "recession" is a mathematically defined term? Do you understand that it began in 2007 and ended in June of 2009? That's not a matter of opinion -- it's based on how the term "recession" is defined. Do you get that something that happened on someone else's watch and was over, BY DEFINITION, just a few months after Obama took office is not, and never will be, "Obama's Recession"?

We are not in a recession now. We haven't been in one for most of Obama's term. You don't even know what a recession is, so stop typing, and go read a farking book.
2012-09-23 06:09:17 PM  
7 votes:

Cletus C.: Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.



Recovery from what? I'm trying to remember... Hmmm... Oh yeah, the REPUBLICAN RECESSION. Started in 2007. You may remember McCain suspending his campaign because he was so scared shiatless about the REPUBLICAN RECESSION that was destroying the country. Sorry the guy you and your anti-American teahadist @ssholes have opposed at every turn didn't clean up your shiat sandwich fast enough. Farking moron trolls.

/ignored
2012-09-23 05:15:14 PM  
6 votes:
Republicans have almost no reason to be as annoyed with Obama. Almost everything he's done was either something Republican leadership dreamed up, or something they were in favor of in the past.

Liberals have way more reason to be angry than conservatives.
2012-09-23 05:12:47 PM  
5 votes:

St_Francis_P:
Sometimes I have to remind myself how lucky I am that none of my relatives are like that.


Mine could give a shiat about guns, but they are furious they are not clearing a million dollars a year yet. Their families pull in around 200-300k, they live in absurd McMansions, they drive multiple new cards and have kids that get one of everything. And they are angry all of them time. They get angry when they hear about poor people having food stamps or healthcare or job placement assistance. "No one ever helped me!" they shout, forgetting how our great-grandmother arrived in Michigan after fleeing her home country of Armenia during the Turkish Genocide. How this country opened its arms to refugees with nothing but the clothes they wore and memories of dead villages.

They have everything, fume over people with nothing, and forget their own history as they curse immigrants. Christmas should be interesting this year.
2012-09-23 03:27:46 PM  
5 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.


So he's going to vote for the guy who signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law while governor of Massachusetts??
2012-09-23 06:36:12 PM  
4 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


Republican logic:
After playing with a vase and dropping it, Cletus C. says: "Hey, it only took me a couple seconds to break it. Why the hell is it taking you so long to glue it back together!?!"
2012-09-23 06:13:48 PM  
4 votes:
The US economy is the Titanic. Bush was the Captain and ran it into the iceberg. He and his first mate got fired and Obama took over a badly listing, close to sinking ship. Four years later instead of resting at the bottom of the sea the ship is getting closer to it's original cruising speed as it nears the harbor but instead of being grateful and learning from their mistakes, the GOP is claiming that not only could they have fixed it too, but they would now turn it into a speedboat if given another chance.
2012-09-23 05:56:45 PM  
4 votes:

Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.


Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.
2012-09-23 05:12:38 PM  
4 votes:

milesl: The last 4 years has been horrible. Nice to see subby is a media tool.


Our economy was on it's death bed when Obama took the wheel. It has been recovering by every measure since then. Only partisan tools don't see this.
2012-09-23 03:21:30 PM  
4 votes:
There is only one number that the Obama campaign needs to repeat anytime someone starts claiming Obama is a failure- 750,000. That's the number of jobs we were losing PER MONTH when Obama took office. The fact that he and congress stopped that freefall and reversed it, should automatically get him another term.

BTW, in 1980 when Saint Reagan elected, the economy GAINED 267,000 jobs. In 2008, when Obama was elected, the economy LOST 3,603,000 jobs. So tell us again how Reagan was so much better at creating jobs.
2012-09-23 06:24:18 PM  
3 votes:

Cletus C.: Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


That's what America gets for voting in a bunch of Teatards in 2010.

Hopefully enough people have figured that out by now.

Not you, of course, just saying.
2012-09-23 05:35:21 PM  
3 votes:

milesl: The last 4 years has been horrible. Nice to see subby is a media tool.


Really? I got a small raise, but I got a house cheap, my 401K has soared over 30%, and the new Obamacare rules guarantee that if I do lose my job, my pre-existing conditions will still be covered. Oh, and they've stopped laying off at my workplace.

How are you doing?
2012-09-23 09:46:44 PM  
2 votes:
LordJiro:

It's hard to clean up a gigantic pile of shiat when the people responsible
for the pile of shiat keep trying to take away the shovel.
2012-09-23 07:44:09 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


It's hard to clean up a gigantic pile of shiat when the people responsible for the pile of shiat keep trying to take away the shovel.
2012-09-23 07:28:13 PM  
2 votes:
The Republican challenge was: are you better off than four years ago?

Our IRA was down 40% during the final 18 months of the Bush administration. It began to recover immediately after the election and within six months of Obama taking office had largely regained its full value.

It is up 10% this year -- except for the international stocks which are up only about 2%. And the dollar is stronger (one reason international stocks have lagged for two years).

They'd probably be stronger but John Boehner now says he wasn't serious about previous deficit reduction agreements.
2012-09-23 06:29:26 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


Dumbest. Most-Inbred. Most-OBSTRUCTIONIST. Republican. Minorty. in. Senate. EVER. (ELLIPSES FOR EFFECT... ... ... ....)
2012-09-23 06:08:53 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


Yeah, the downturn was one of the worst in history.
2012-09-23 05:53:59 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: The economy is the soft underbelly of the Obama administration


Really? Would that be the economy that was losing 750,000 jobs per month when Obama took office? Would that be the economy that lost 3,600,000 jobs the year before Obama took office? Would that be the economy that is creating an average of 130,000 jobs per month under Obama? Would that be the economy that even while Europe and the rest of the world is struggling, we have still created 4.5 million jobs?
2012-09-23 05:46:50 PM  
2 votes:
imageshack.us
2012-09-23 05:26:23 PM  
2 votes:
I can't believe the GOP's entire cunning plan was to dig in their heels, act like petulant children and then point to the mess they largely created and never lifted a finger to clean up and say "Obama's fault, vote for us".

Sad thing is how many morans this crap actually works on.
2012-09-23 05:13:23 PM  
2 votes:

milesl: The last 4 years has been horrible. Nice to see subby is a media tool.


We are all sorry you haven't been laid in 4 years, but that really isn't Obamas fault.
2012-09-23 03:37:10 PM  
2 votes:
For a brief moment this summer, the GOP was unable to avoid reality. Polling showed them that the "are you better than you were 4 years ago?" question was answered by a majority of Americans as either "yes" or "about the same." Obama wins 90% of the "better off" voters, and among voters who feel things are the same, Obama has more than a 20-point lead over Rmoney.

It's refreshing to see the GOP realize their story about Obama being a disaster was total bullshiat, and not shared by a majority of the country. From inside the bubble, they really thought this was an easily-winnable election. And of course now it's going to be Romney's fault when/if they lose, instead of pointing the finger at their intellectually-bankrupt extremist political party.
2012-09-24 09:37:35 AM  
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: I'm reading about the Pennsylvania Railroad and the Panic of 1873 was still severely limiting business in 1879 because there was no way to control rampant speculation and dirty dealings in railroad stocks. They bounced the economy around like a pingpong ball into the 1880s.


Dirty dealings in railroad stocks? Approves:
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2012-09-23 10:48:01 PM  
1 votes:

Bschott007: Kumana Wanalaia: Bschott007: Romney's economic plan is as clear as Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

Obama, his army with fists open.

Bschott, his soft drink on the screen.

/funnied and greened all



Romney, his lemon wet good.
2012-09-23 10:06:58 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Cletus C.: Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.

That's a very important word there, RECOVERY.


As opposed to the freefall that he was presented with...

The same freefall conditions that Romney favors. You know, because if companies go under, and there aren't American firms to absorb their competitors, it's good when foreign or multinats come in to scoop up properties and assets, because the cash that exports does Americans so much good when it's socked away in foreign banks. It's science. Especially when those same banks don't really invest much here, save in the derivatives and less than actual financial devices...
2012-09-23 07:59:14 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Cletus C.: If Obama wins a second term will it finally be his?

NO. Do you realize that a "recession" is a mathematically defined term? Do you understand that it began in 2007 and ended in June of 2009? That's not a matter of opinion -- it's based on how the term "recession" is defined. Do you get that something that happened on someone else's watch and was over, BY DEFINITION, just a few months after Obama took office is not, and never will be, "Obama's Recession"?

We are not in a recession now. We haven't been in one for most of Obama's term. You don't even know what a recession is, so stop typing, and go read a farking book.


We have a "smartest" and a "funniest" button. I think Cletus C was begging for a "stupidest" and thank you to showers_in_socks for pointing out why.
2012-09-23 07:23:50 PM  
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: Urbn: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.

Republican logic:
After playing with a vase and dropping it, Cletus C. says: "Hey, it only took me a couple seconds to break it. Why the hell is it taking you so long to glue it back together!?!"

I like to think of it as someone judging the performance of a fireman by a picture of what their house looked like before it started to burn.


While slashing the fire-hose to prove his point about the ineffectiveness of the Fire Department.
2012-09-23 07:21:50 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: If Obama wins a second term will it finally be his?


Nope, because the Recession has been over since summer of '09. The recovery will be his, and the fact that you are willing to admit that there IS a recovery is all that matters.
2012-09-23 07:16:57 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


That's a very important word there, RECOVERY.
2012-09-23 07:11:14 PM  
1 votes:
cameroncrazy1984: It's that goddamn liberal media!

I'm actually convinced Romney is a liberal plant and the modern GOP was taken over by Dems to ensure reelection. It's so diabolically fiendish.
2012-09-23 06:58:28 PM  
1 votes:

indylaw: Now wait a minute, I've been assured by the Republicans' smartest people that the economy is still in a recession and everyone is worse off because Hussein is trying to cripple our country so that the UN can take it over and confiscate our guns. Which I thought was strange because not only did I find another job, most of my friends did as well.

Who didn't get their jobs back? High school dropouts and black people. Best of luck winning the latter. Really.


I am, in fact, financially better off than I was 4 years ago, thanks for asking Mitt!
2012-09-23 06:44:39 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


And yet Obama's running away with the election. How 'bout that?
2012-09-23 06:43:06 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: If Obama wins a second term will it finally be his?


Both sides own their own words and actions.

Obama has a record to run on.

The GOP have nothing.

Nada, bupkiss, zilch, squat, zip.

Deal with it.
2012-09-23 06:40:47 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.

Hi, I'd like to introduce you to the Great Depression.


The Great Depression will be his use of Paxil in 20 years once he realizes how f*cking atrocious his conservative leaders have been these past 4 years and how much they slowed the recovery.

Just remember trolls: Bush, 33rd best president ever and Obama, 14th best president according to historians.
2012-09-23 06:37:29 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


Hi, I'd like to introduce you to the Great Depression.
2012-09-23 06:34:43 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: shower_in_my_socks: Cletus C.: Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


Recovery from what? I'm trying to remember... Hmmm... Oh yeah, the REPUBLICAN RECESSION. Started in 2007. You may remember McCain suspending his campaign because he was so scared shiatless about the REPUBLICAN RECESSION that was destroying the country. Sorry the guy you and your anti-American teahadist @ssholes have opposed at every turn didn't clean up your shiat sandwich fast enough. Farking moron trolls.

/ignored

If Obama wins a second term will it finally be his?


Only if the trolls in the GOP don't actively pledge to thwart EVERYTHING he does like they did in Round 1.

Dude, this is the 1919 White Sox and the Eight Men Out are Boehner, Cantor, Rubio, McConnell, Rove, DeMint, Ryan and Armey. They have completely thrown the game for failure while simultaneously convincing simple folk that they haven't.
2012-09-23 06:29:01 PM  
1 votes:
All I know is that four years ago I was working for a company that I hated. Got canned, spent a year living off of unemployment (thank you government), and now have the best job of my life. I love my current job, and while I don't make as much money, I also don't dread going to work every day.

So fark yeah, I'm better off than I was four years ago.
2012-09-23 06:10:17 PM  
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: Best part from Scott Walker: "it's time to move FORWARD." Because the best way to defeat a candidate is to steal one of his campaign slogans.


Doesn't his state have one of the slowest growing economies in the country right now?

He really doesn't have much room to talk.
2012-09-23 06:09:03 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: You are correct. It would be the economy with an 8.3 percent unemployment rate. That's the one.

Ah yes, the one that was at 9.7% before the stimulus. Thanks for pointing that out.

Slowest. Most Sluggish. Most Fragile. Recovery. Ever.


i.pinger.pl
2012-09-23 06:04:54 PM  
1 votes:

ultraholland: I'm voting Romney simply because he has the courage to wear mom-jeans.


That's not what's horrifying about that picture. With all the scratch Romney has lying around, that's the stereo he bought?
2012-09-23 06:00:20 PM  
1 votes:
Romney and Ryan and Ryan both suffer from the same problem - the more you get to know them the less appealing they are. Both the party elite and Romney were counting on him being able to run as Generic Republican. I'm not sure why they thought this would pass muster. Ryan has almost the same problem in reverse - he wants to run as a Generic Movement Conservative, but the facts are he's just another amoral power seeker like Romney who is willing to jettison or adopt beliefs as the moment suits ("Ayn Rand? Never heard of her"). The fact that they are both thin skinned and especially peevish when reminded of their shared propensity for exaggeration and outright fabrication. If Obama were white, they wouldn't make 40% of the vote.
2012-09-23 05:51:14 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks:


To be fair, Ted isn't the best thinker.
2012-09-23 05:45:28 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: They have everything, fume over people with nothing, and forget their own history as they curse immigrants.


That seems to be pretty much par for the course for 3rd/4th generation immigrants at this point.
2012-09-23 05:38:28 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: quatchi: Cletus C.: It is absolutely vital that Romney provide specifics on economic policies.

So you're saying he may as well give up then?

If Mitt provides specifics on his real economic policies his poll numbers will kamikaze.

Someone just needs to get him to admit what tax deductions he'd close. It's already been determined that his "plan" is not feasible without either raising rates on the middle class or getting rid of some very popular deductions.

Every interviewer should be doing their best to try to force him to answer that question.


I agree. Without specifics, people could jump to conclusions like raising taxes on the middle class. His promise to close loopholes to make up the difference doesn't add up, so draw your own conclusions, Democrats. Gladly, say Democrats.

If he were a Democrat with that plan Republicans would probably conclude he plans to shut down the Department of Defense. Speak up, Romney.
2012-09-23 05:37:05 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.


There is only one candidate who has signed an assault weapons ban into law.
2012-09-23 05:31:37 PM  
1 votes:

quatchi: Cletus C.: It is absolutely vital that Romney provide specifics on economic policies.

So you're saying he may as well give up then?

If Mitt provides specifics on his real economic policies his poll numbers will kamikaze.


Someone just needs to get him to admit what tax deductions he'd close. It's already been determined that his "plan" is not feasible without either raising rates on the middle class or getting rid of some very popular deductions.

Every interviewer should be doing their best to try to force him to answer that question.
2012-09-23 05:29:05 PM  
1 votes:

quatchi: I can't believe the GOP's entire cunning plan was to dig in their heels, act like petulant children and then point to the mess they largely created and never lifted a finger to clean up and say "Obama's fault, vote for us".

Sad thing is how many morans this crap actually works on.


By and large, humanity is a disappointment.
2012-09-23 05:23:57 PM  
1 votes:
So after 4 years they field a horrible candidate expect him to run on a hate Obama campaign platform
then discover that's the wrong thing to do with only 40+ days left till the election. Way to go Einstein.
2012-09-23 05:16:35 PM  
1 votes:

TimonC346: Republicans have almost no reason to be as annoyed with Obama. Almost everything he's done was either something Republican leadership dreamed up, or something they were in favor of in the past.

Liberals have way more reason to be angry than conservatives.


That....is actually true.
2012-09-23 05:11:47 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.


And once again, ammo prices will go through the roof, for no farking reason at all while all the lemmings panic.
2012-09-23 04:38:17 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: mrshowrules: nmrsnr: Dear lord, when Bill Kristol is forced to say "yeah, the Democratic President handled the economy pretty well" you know you're right screwed using that line of attack.

I'm confused. If Bill Kristol says that and he's always wrong - what does that mean? Maybe the Dems did fark everything up. Maybe the US would be better off with Romney in charge.

No no no, it's like that riddle with the guards, one who always lies and one who always tells the truth, you can get the right answer from the liar, even though he's lying.

See, since Romney consistently lies, and Kristol is always wrong, then when Romney says that we're worse off than four years ago, he's lying, but Kristol disagrees with the lie, which is the truth, so that... aww, fark it, just look at Sliding Carp's post.


I know this one. Assuming you can only ask potato questions, the question you ask is "What would the other guard say is the herp to derp?". Whatever derp the guards point to, you herp the other derp.
2012-09-23 04:09:30 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.


Make a bet with him with really high stakes
2012-09-23 04:02:16 PM  
1 votes:
Dear lord, when Bill Kristol is forced to say "yeah, the Democratic President handled the economy pretty well" you know you're right screwed using that line of attack.
2012-09-23 03:51:16 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, they must be running scared. Bill Kristol is talking like a moderate conservative.
2012-09-23 03:29:24 PM  
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.

Sometimes I have to remind myself how lucky I am that none of my relatives are like that.


Or, if you find yourself NOT so blessed, relief is just a not-phone call away.

To paraphrase Ron Swanson, there are certain members of my fox-news-loving, Limbaugh-fellating extended family that I haven't talked to in years, and in that time they've become some of my favorite relatives. We still never talk sometimes.

Helps that they live 3,000 miles away though.
2012-09-23 03:15:42 PM  
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.

Sometimes I have to remind myself how lucky I am that none of my relatives are like that.


You are indeed blessed in that regard.
Silver lining: Holiday gift list is shorter this year.
2012-09-23 03:13:36 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.


Sometimes I have to remind myself how lucky I am that none of my relatives are like that.
 
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