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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP at the RNC: We're going to make this election about the last four years and how terrible Obama has been. GOP today: Uh...turns out the last four years weren't so bad, so you should make this about the next four years   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 171
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2012-09-24 01:17:11 AM  
mscleo


I don't know how long you have been paying into it but,.......... it's INSURANCE, man. You paid for it. It's not an "entitlement". I was forced to take it in 2009, after AMD shipped my entire division to Shanghai. The CEO got a 2 million dollar bonus for being forced to retire after taking the company from 5 billion to 800 million. This was after he destroyed Motorola.

/Hector the sector wrecker.....
 
2012-09-24 01:22:57 AM  

Thigvald the Big-Balled: Mikey1969: So does this mean that the GOP is basically conceding the race? It seems a bit late for a major tactical shift like this, if you ask me...

Concede? In their moment of triumph?


You know what's truly farked up about that story? The most unbelievable part? The fact that after this obvious bullshiat the race in Florida would be considered 'close' among the Latino community. What in God's name does the GOP have to offer them, except insults and harassment?

I just don't understand people sometimes.
 
2012-09-24 02:54:41 AM  
Republicans have figured out that now they have a Fox news in their back pocket they can do anything they want when in office and can spin it any way. As Gov Scott Walker, you can do anything as long as it isn't illegal and stay in office even after a recall
 
2012-09-24 05:12:00 AM  
Why would a person vote for the guy the cast of Honey Boo Boo would vote for? That more than anything should keep anybody with more than a middle school education far away from the GOP ticket.
 
2012-09-24 06:04:40 AM  
I'm still baffled as to how the well-oiled, disciplined machine that is the GOP has picked such weak candidates 2 (or 3) times in a row. They're completely capable of knee-capping congress and framing the media's topics on a day-to-day basis, but their presidents (and vice presidents) lack charisma to the point of being unelectable? Who's in charge of this beast?
 
2012-09-24 07:12:35 AM  
Is it just me or is Reince Priebus making Michael Steele look competent as RNC Chairman? Seriously.
 
2012-09-24 07:58:40 AM  
The issue as I see it is that his "plan" is pretty grim:

1. Roll back health care reform. Now, Obamacare is unpopular, but few people want a complete repeal, with pre-existing conditions preventing coverage and all that. But that's what Romney offers.

2. Means testing Social Security and Medicare - this might be the dumbest idea ever. It disincentivizes retirement planning and turns two popular social insurance programs into welfare programs.

3. Increase military spending. Outside of Hampton Roads, San Diego, and the wackiest part of his base, this rings exceedingly flat.
 
2012-09-24 08:01:54 AM  

moothemagiccow: I'm still baffled as to how the well-oiled, disciplined machine that is the GOP has picked such weak candidates 2 (or 3) times in a row. They're completely capable of knee-capping congress and framing the media's topics on a day-to-day basis, but their presidents (and vice presidents) lack charisma to the point of being unelectable? Who's in charge of this beast?


Limbaugh and people of his ilk. If you can stir 25% of the people in the country to some sort of daily outrage, it gets good ratings, and allows for a lot roadblocks. But you can't win elections with a platform driven by that shiat.
 
2012-09-24 08:37:29 AM  

St_Francis_P: The Romney campaign has premised much of its message on Obama's economic record and has repeatedly refused to flesh out detailed policy proposals on issues from tax reform to immigration reform. The Romney campaign recently promised to reveal more specifics about what Romney would do in office, but has been slow to provide them.

Aren't the details supposed to be secret, but he'll reveal them once he's President?


He is going to use John McCain's secret plan to fix the economy. You know, the one that he didn't get to implement because he lost the election.
 
2012-09-24 09:37:35 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: I'm reading about the Pennsylvania Railroad and the Panic of 1873 was still severely limiting business in 1879 because there was no way to control rampant speculation and dirty dealings in railroad stocks. They bounced the economy around like a pingpong ball into the 1880s.


Dirty dealings in railroad stocks? Approves:
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2012-09-24 09:51:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: vygramul: Marcus Aurelius: I have been assured that Obama is going to take all my guns away if he wins. I have a relative that is pissed at me for not taking him seriously in this matter.

This is going to be good.

I own an assault rifle. I am not worried in the least. It's absurd to think Obama's going to take away our guns.

I don't own any guns....but doesn't the mere fact that you own one sort of preclude anyone "taking" it away from you, except from your cold dead hands?


They can't take away my guns if I don't own any.
 
2012-09-24 09:53:40 AM  

Babwa Wawa: The issue as I see it is that his "plan" is pretty grim:

1. Roll back health care reform. Now, Obamacare is unpopular, but few people want a complete repeal, with pre-existing conditions preventing coverage and all that. But that's what Romney offers.

2. Means testing Social Security and Medicare - this might be the dumbest idea ever. It disincentivizes retirement planning and turns two popular social insurance programs into welfare programs.

3. Increase military spending. Outside of Hampton Roads, San Diego, and the wackiest part of his base, this rings exceedingly flat.


2. You and I must have very different understandings of what means testing means.
 
2012-09-24 09:54:56 AM  
All Obama really needs to do is keep hammering on the "You didn't built it"- drum. The arrogance of the rich in denying it is better than any other wedge issue could be. The problem lies in the articulation. After the rich offer their rebuttal, all that needs to be said is, "Sure, you risked the money. But where would you be without everybody and everything you've invested your money to exploit?"
 
2012-09-24 10:17:03 AM  

vygramul: 2. You and I must have very different understandings of what means testing means.


Yeah, I don't understand how means testing SS would "disincentivize retirement planning" any more than the current situation.
 
2012-09-24 10:25:01 AM  

vygramul: 2. You and I must have very different understandings of what means testing means.


You don't really make much of a point, but "means test" were words that Mitt used on 60 minutes last night to describe his plan, and has used repeatedly lately. The people in their mid-30s through their 40s right now are going to get f*cked pretty badly - already my expected benefits are ~60% of my contribution (even without considering the loss of investment opportunity). Still it's something. Under Mitten's plan, retirement income I have will be offset by a decrease in SS/Medicare benefits. It a pretty clear disincentive to saving for retirement.

But the real long term danger is this: the more you decouple contributions from benefits, the more it looks and acts like a welfare program rather than a social insurance program. Once SS and Medicare look and act like welfare, it will be cut like a welfare program - repeatedly and viciously until only a shell of it remains.
 
2012-09-24 10:37:52 AM  

Babwa Wawa: vygramul: 2. You and I must have very different understandings of what means testing means.

You don't really make much of a point, but "means test" were words that Mitt used on 60 minutes last night to describe his plan, and has used repeatedly lately. The people in their mid-30s through their 40s right now are going to get f*cked pretty badly - already my expected benefits are ~60% of my contribution (even without considering the loss of investment opportunity). Still it's something. Under Mitten's plan, retirement income I have will be offset by a decrease in SS/Medicare benefits. It a pretty clear disincentive to saving for retirement.

But the real long term danger is this: the more you decouple contributions from benefits, the more it looks and acts like a welfare program rather than a social insurance program. Once SS and Medicare look and act like welfare, it will be cut like a welfare program - repeatedly and viciously until only a shell of it remains.


Ah - I see. I know Democrats made this proposal, too, but the means test was so high, it didn't affect anyone who needed it. ie - if you make $1m gross income from all sources per year, you don't get SS or Medicare. I doubt THAT means test would lead to a welfare state.
 
2012-09-24 11:00:16 AM  

vygramul: Ah - I see. I know Democrats made this proposal, too, but the means test was so high, it didn't affect anyone who needed it. ie - if you make $1m gross income from all sources per year, you don't get SS or Medicare. I doubt THAT means test would lead to a welfare state.


It's a bad idea no matter who proposes it.

The moral thing to do is to couple future benefits to contributions at a generational level. The boomers, who deliberately and knowingly undercontributed to SS by 27% and caused the crisis, should see their benefits reduced accordingly.

More realistically, it'll be the following generation that pays for it through increased taxes, or reduced benefits. We should not structurally change the program just because the boomer generation decided to vote themselves a break.
 
2012-09-24 01:39:32 PM  

FlippityFlap: mscleo

I don't know how long you have been paying into it but,.......... it's INSURANCE, man. You paid for it. It's not an "entitlement". I was forced to take it in 2009, after AMD shipped my entire division to Shanghai. The CEO got a 2 million dollar bonus for being forced to retire after taking the company from 5 billion to 800 million. This was after he destroyed Motorola.

/Hector the sector wrecker.....


Wrong. I usually post the California EDD's explanation, but I found the Texas one, just for you.

What is Unemployment Insurance (UI)?
Unemployment Insurance (UI) is an employer-paid program that pays benefits to qualified workers unemployed through no fault of their own. The Texas Workforce Commission (TWC) pays temporary financial help based on workers' previous earnings, while they are looking for other work. Employer taxes and reimbursements support the Unemployment Trust Fund. Employers cannot deduct any money from employees' paychecks to pay for this program. Apply for UI benefits anytime online or call the TWC Tele-Center nearest you.

/tired of hearing people spout this bit of misinformation like it's gospel
 
2012-09-24 09:29:38 PM  

Babwa Wawa: The issue as I see it is that his "plan" is pretty grim:

1. Roll back health care reform. Now, Obamacare is unpopular, but few people want a complete repeal, with pre-existing conditions preventing coverage and all that. But that's what Romney offers.


Nobody said a word of negativity when Romney installed Romneycare in Massachusetts. But the moment Obama looked at it, liked it, and decided to make it national, the right went batshiat insane. It's seriously some of the craziest shiat I've ever seen, the way Romney and every other right-winger immediately denounced "Obamacare" as something the Devil created when it was Romney inspired by a neutral group that created it in the first place, and Obama changed nary a thing about it. And when you explain the nuances of Romneycare to people against it who don't know about it, most of them go from anti- to pro-.

It's just more of the "do anything to make Obama look bad and ruin America in the process" bullshiat the GOP and right insist on doing instead of anything intelligent.
 
2012-09-24 10:29:33 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: It's just more of the "do anything to make Obama look bad and ruin America in the process" bullshiat the GOP and right insist on doing instead of anything intelligent.


There are good reasons not to like Obamacare. Hell, I don't really like it - it's a handout to insurance companies, does little to control costs, and is not truly universal. I'd have much preferred single payer or at least Obamacare with a public option.

The general consensus, however, is that there are problems with our health care market. Romney is willing to go on 60 Minutes and explain his stance on universal health care with amounts to:

"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance, people -- we -- if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and -- and die. We -- we pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care."

That simply doesn't pass the sniff test for anyone outside of his most conservative base. But he's handcuffed. He can't even admit to deficiencies in our health care market, much less propose any sort of reform, because he's hostage to his base. And this holds true for pretty much every divisive issue - immigration, abortion, defense spending. The GOP platform positions on all of these are incredibly out of touch.

As such, it's no wonder the GOP is having such a hard time unseating a relatively weak incumbent.
 
2012-09-25 02:43:18 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Keizer_Ghidorah: It's just more of the "do anything to make Obama look bad and ruin America in the process" bullshiat the GOP and right insist on doing instead of anything intelligent.

There are good reasons not to like Obamacare. Hell, I don't really like it - it's a handout to insurance companies, does little to control costs, and is not truly universal. I'd have much preferred single payer or at least Obamacare with a public option.

The general consensus, however, is that there are problems with our health care market. Romney is willing to go on 60 Minutes and explain his stance on universal health care with amounts to:

"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance, people -- we -- if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and -- and die. We -- we pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care."

That simply doesn't pass the sniff test for anyone outside of his most conservative base. But he's handcuffed. He can't even admit to deficiencies in our health care market, much less propose any sort of reform, because he's hostage to his base. And this holds true for pretty much every divisive issue - immigration, abortion, defense spending. The GOP platform positions on all of these are incredibly out of touch.

As such, it's no wonder the GOP is having such a hard time unseating a relatively weak incumbent.


With the way the right stonewalls and filibusts everything Obama tries to do, it's a miracle Romneycare managed to get through. Pretty sure he'd like to do more, but with the assholes in the legislative branch anything more ambitious is gonna have to wait.

Considering Romney came up with it, I'm sure it has some flaws. But Obama thought it was good enough for the country, and no one complained about it at the state level. If it was so horrible you think people would have said something in Massachusetts. As it stands Romneycare is better than what we've got right now, and the rough spots can be smoothed over over time (if the retards allow it to be).
 
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