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(Jalopnik)   Peugeot, absent from U.S. auto market since 1991, hopes to make its grand re-entrance with grassroots support from hipsters who treasure its vintage styling, obscurity, and indie cred   (jalopnik.com) divider line 50
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2012-09-23 03:25:16 PM
Between typewriters, cassettes, fixies and now Puegeots, hipsterdom seems to be based on masochism.
 
2012-09-23 03:34:22 PM

St_Francis_P: Between typewriters, cassettes, fixies and now Puegeots, hipsterdom seems to be based on masochism.


Now you say it, they do seem like a sect of the Amish.
 
2012-09-23 03:44:47 PM
My mother-in-law has a great little Peugeot she's had for years. Then again, she lives in Switzerland. Where the hell will Americans get their Peugeots serviced? I can't even imagine how much parts must cost.
 
2012-09-23 03:52:54 PM
The only problem is hipsters are generally 20ish and broke. Otherwise, hell of a business model.
 
2012-09-23 04:04:42 PM

CreamFilling: The only problem is hipsters are generally 20ish and broke. Otherwise, hell of a business model.


two words. trust funds.
 
2012-09-23 04:25:10 PM
I'm on my second Peugeot...I'm happy with them.
} 1995 306
}} 2009 207SW
 
2012-09-23 04:38:11 PM
socialist build great cars

upload.wikimedia.org

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2012-09-23 04:43:00 PM
I live in NY and there's someone close by my job who drives a Peugeot 505... But you also see quite a few near the Mexican border, since they sell them over there I suppose, and the new ones look quite nice.
 
2012-09-23 04:46:16 PM
Worked for PBR.
 
2012-09-23 04:49:14 PM
Hipster:
www.fan2tv.com
 
2012-09-23 04:53:45 PM
Still waiting for my Fiat Panda.

www.motorstown.com

/The 500? Really?
//FU Fiat.
 
2012-09-23 04:55:37 PM
Four people with 1980s Peugeots is a "grand re-entrance" to the US market?
 
2012-09-23 05:15:44 PM
I knew a guy with a four-wheel drive Peugeot on big tires. It was pretty cool. Possibly the only redneck Peugeot in North America.
 
2012-09-23 05:22:25 PM
As best I can remember, Peugeots were overpriced pieces of shiat. Nice interior. Obscenely slow. Parts fell off rather sooner than they should have. If the idea is to return an impractical French car to the American market, why not Citroens?
 
2012-09-23 05:51:30 PM

forgotmydamnusername: As best I can remember, Peugeots were overpriced pieces of shiat. Nice interior. Obscenely slow. Parts fell off rather sooner than they should have. If the idea is to return an impractical French car to the American market, why not Citroens?


Same company. More or less the same underneath, apart from the hydraulics in Citizens.

/owns two Xantia Activas.
 
2012-09-23 05:53:15 PM

eventhelosers: socialist build great cars



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Renault is the socialist state owned French car maker, and they own a huge chunk of Nissan. Peugeot is the privately owned French car company.
 
2012-09-23 05:53:58 PM

Flint Ironstag: forgotmydamnusername: As best I can remember, Peugeots were overpriced pieces of shiat. Nice interior. Obscenely slow. Parts fell off rather sooner than they should have. If the idea is to return an impractical French car to the American market, why not Citroens?

Same company. More or less the same underneath, apart from the hydraulics in Citizens.

/owns two Xantia Activas.


Citroens. Damn autocorrect.
 
2012-09-23 06:14:20 PM
Peugeot would fail the same way Daewoo and Hyundai did -- stupid name with a stupid pronunciation.

Ok Hyundai didn't fail... but they should have.
 
2012-09-23 06:38:12 PM

forgotmydamnusername: As best I can remember, Peugeots were overpriced pieces of shiat. Nice interior. Obscenely slow. Parts fell off rather sooner than they should have. If the idea is to return an impractical French car to the American market, why not Citroens?


From my experience it was mainly the 'over-priced' part that was the problem. Most places outside Europe tried to market them as a 'high end' car wheras back home it was just another average car and for an 'average' price it was decent. However, slap Mercedes-money on the price tag and it looks like a bad joke.

I saw a couple of people suckered into that about 15 years ago - it was funny to see how they would react after trying to brag about it to someone from the UK "Wait you paid what for what-is-basically-a-Corsa?".
 
2012-09-23 06:48:42 PM

Trolljegeren: Still waiting for my Fiat Panda.

[www.motorstown.com image 450x307]

/The 500? Really?
//FU Fiat.


The Fiat 500 actually looks nice and will attract the 'sooooo cute' crowd. The Panda is just a whole lot of Italian ugly rolled into a small car. If Americans wanted a ugly foreign car they could just buy a KIA Soul.
 
2012-09-23 07:01:04 PM

Heliodorus: The Fiat 500 actually looks nice and will attract the 'sooooo cute' crowd.


And from what I've seen, they're buying it in good numbers, at least here in the city.

/Want an Abarth 500
 
2012-09-23 07:20:49 PM
there will always be a few young people making the mistake of buying the wrong cars (a/k/a cute cars). we live, we learn. just as there will always be foreigners transplanted onto u.s. soil who just have to have a car from froggyland because to them everything from froggyland is the best. holds true for the a-hole yodelers, the gerries and all the other euro trash.
 
2012-09-23 07:59:34 PM

Flint Ironstag: eventhelosers: socialist build great cars



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Renault is the socialist state owned French car maker, and they own a huge chunk of Nissan. Peugeot is the privately owned French car company.


Renault is not state owned. The state has just 15% of stock and a board seat, similar in structure to Saxony's stake in Volkswagen.

Nissan owns a big chunk of Renault as well, but Renault ultimately calls the shots.

/would LOVE to see Peugeot return to the US, for the RCZ alone!
 
2012-09-23 08:00:07 PM
Oh what the hell, bring over the Fiat Multipla since the Element and Aztek have been discontinued.
 
2012-09-23 08:19:54 PM

dumbobruni: Flint Ironstag: eventhelosers: socialist build great cars



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Renault is the socialist state owned French car maker, and they own a huge chunk of Nissan. Peugeot is the privately owned French car company.

Renault is not state owned. The state has just 15% of stock and a board seat, similar in structure to Saxony's stake in Volkswagen.

Nissan owns a big chunk of Renault as well, but Renault ultimately calls the shots.

/would LOVE to see Peugeot return to the US, for the RCZ alone!


My bad, I must have missed the privatisation. I know the French government more or less stole the company from Louis Renault after the war.
 
2012-09-23 08:29:05 PM
Grandfather had one in the late 60s. Trust me, he was no hipster. Big sister had one in the mid 70s. Fun car to drive. Got it serviced at a garage in Penobscot ME.
 
2012-09-23 08:42:45 PM
I drove a 505 for a bit in the 1980's. Very comfortable car, but a real biatch to get parts for.
 
2012-09-23 08:43:00 PM
I drove one of these bastards while I was in Hungary for 3 months and ended up relying on public transportation instead. They are just awful.
 
2012-09-23 08:46:37 PM
They sell them in Mexico. Driven a couple, they're nice cars. Did well in the world rally championship a few years back, hopefully that means engineering has improved. Citroen has been dominating WRC for seven our eight years in a row now. These are not the same french cars they sold in the sixties.
 
2012-09-23 09:23:49 PM
A friend of mine had some small Renault as a rental in Europe and loved it, he said it was like a go cart with a real motor in it. His passengers, on the other hand, belted in tight and held onto the shiat handles for dear life...
"This is how we drive in America!"
 
2012-09-23 09:24:10 PM
You know what other company was out of the market since 1991 and hoped to make its grand re-entrance with grassroots support from hipsters who treasure its vintage styling, obscurity, and indie cred?

0.tqn.com
 
2012-09-23 09:49:55 PM

rga184: They sell them in Mexico. Driven a couple, they're nice cars. Did well in the world rally championship a few years back, hopefully that means engineering has improved. Citroen has been dominating WRC for seven our eight years in a row now. These are not the same french cars they sold in the sixties.


Those two things have nothing in common. The WRC cars are silhouette cars. Mechanically they have almost nothing in common with their consumer product versions outside of the outer shell. It's a marketing tool. The Xsara you could buy is/was around £20,000. The WRC Xsara is around £500,000. Buy Japanese/German/some American if you want a decent car.
 
2012-09-23 10:13:22 PM

forgotmydamnusername: As best I can remember, Peugeots were overpriced pieces of shiat. Nice interior. Obscenely slow. Parts fell off rather sooner than they should have. If the idea is to return an impractical French car to the American market, why not Citroens?


This. There may not be a more Hipster-ready automobile out there than a Citroen with a hydropneumatic suspension. It fulfills all the criteria:

- Vintage!
- Needlessly complicated & time-consuming
- Quirky
- Moustache friendly ("I'm going for the authenic, 1970s Frenchman look")
- You've probably never heard of it
 
2012-09-23 10:21:50 PM

Trolljegeren: Still waiting for my Fiat Panda.

[www.motorstown.com image 450x307]

/The 500? Really?
//FU Fiat.


I'm still holding out for my Skoda Yeti

www.autotrader.co.uk

or Dacia Sandero

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-23 10:27:47 PM
"I'm here for my black Peugot."

"Ah, I knew you weren't a real blonde."



/obscure ?
 
2012-09-23 10:47:32 PM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: forgotmydamnusername: As best I can remember, Peugeots were overpriced pieces of shiat. Nice interior. Obscenely slow. Parts fell off rather sooner than they should have. If the idea is to return an impractical French car to the American market, why not Citroens?

This. There may not be a more Hipster-ready automobile out there than a Citroen with a hydropneumatic suspension. It fulfills all the criteria:

- Vintage!
- Needlessly complicated & time-consuming
- Quirky
- Moustache friendly ("I'm going for the authenic, 1970s Frenchman look")
- You've probably never heard of it


-Can outcorner many Ferrari's

imageshack.us

Xantia Activa. Look it up.
 
2012-09-23 11:58:30 PM
My dad bought a 505 wagon in 1987. Great car. I myself drove a '97 106 for a couple of years. Cheap, reliable and fast. Why not bring them back?
 
2012-09-24 05:03:56 AM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: This. There may not be a more Hipster-ready automobile out there than a Citroen with a hydropneumatic suspension. It fulfills all the criteria:

- Vintage!
- Needlessly complicated & time-consuming
- Quirky
- Moustache friendly ("I'm going for the authenic, 1970s Frenchman look")
- You've probably never heard of it


showing your ignorance here.
Citroen hydropneumatic susspension was 20-30 years ahead of its time, anyone how realy know about cars know about them, just like Tuckers are known in Europe even by people who never saw them.
And hydropneumatic susspension is almost expected on todays luxury-car.
 
2012-09-24 08:02:22 AM

dumbobruni: would LOVE to see Peugeot return to the US, for the RCZ alone!


My SO loves his

/diesel, gets mid 50s mp(UK)g
//it really is a nice drive, though I don't get to drive it too often
 
2012-09-24 08:06:11 AM
Peugeot is an absolute joke.

Japanese hatches kill Peugeots for price, reliability, standard equipment and repair costs.
VWs have much better brand cache, cost roughly the same, are more reliable and better resale.
Hyundai/Kia are on par for quality, power and equipment but are much cheaper to buy and repair.
And if you must have a french car (if you're stupid) Renault make better looking cars with sportier dynamics and so do Citroen.

Anyone who buys a Peugeot is an idiot.
 
2012-09-24 09:22:50 AM
I had an 'A' registered (1984) 305 saloon in the early 1990s. On misty days (I was in Scotland, lots of misty days) it would never start without me removing the air filter and squirting a third of a can of WD-40 in there.

/Happy Days
//late ones, usually explaining to ver boss why I was in after 9am.
 
2012-09-24 03:39:56 PM
In related news, we're supposed to get Alfa Romeos and possibly Lancias at some point in the near future.

Link

The new Dodge Dart is on an Alfa platform.
 
2012-09-24 04:29:11 PM
So a Peugeot is just a Yugo in "skinny-jeans?"
 
2012-09-24 04:33:24 PM
My first car was a used 1985 Peugeot 505 Turbo Diesel. I thought it was cool.

Looked a lot like this:
vea.qc.ca

/Link be hot
 
2012-09-24 07:40:44 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Lancias


Let's make this happen! I'll spray the undercoat on the whole thing!
 
2012-09-24 07:51:52 PM

nopokerface: rufus-t-firefly: Lancias

Let's make this happen! I'll spray the undercoat on the whole thing!


Too late. Lancia fit rust at the factory.
 
2012-09-24 07:53:47 PM

Flint Ironstag: nopokerface: rufus-t-firefly: Lancias

Let's make this happen! I'll spray the undercoat on the whole thing!

Too late. Lancia fit rust at the factory.


Damn it!
 
2012-09-24 08:24:50 PM

harm dealer: Japanese hatches kill Peugeots for price, reliability, standard equipment and repair costs.
VWs have much better brand cache, cost roughly the same, are more reliable and better resale.
Hyundai/Kia are on par for quality, power and equipment but are much cheaper to buy and repair.
And if you must have a french car (if you're stupid) Renault make better looking cars with sportier dynamics and so do Citroen.

Anyone who buys a Peugeot is an idiot.


The problem is that Peugeot still think this is the 80s. Back then, a 309 was a good car. Not as good as a Golf, but at least as good as say, a Ford Escort or a Renault 19. You could get away with ropey build quality and bad reliability because that was what everyone else was doing. But Ford got better, the Japanese got bigger, Skoda started making good cars, and the Germans continued to improve. Peugeot just didn't seem to keep up with the level of improvement. The JD Power survey for the UK shows Peugeot in the bottom 4 with the likes of Suzuki, which is just embarrassing.

I'd rather buy a Kia Cee'd than a Peugeot. Cheaper to buy, higher rated, better build quality and an insane 7 year warranty.
 
2012-09-25 02:47:15 AM
If Peugeot became available I'd surrender to the urge to buy one.
 
2012-09-26 10:22:21 AM
I keep a search tab on craigslist for Peuegot wheels.
Certain models used the same bolt pattern as 80s Subarus. 

/obscure but true.
 
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