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2012-09-23 02:55:57 PM
I remember back in the late 1980's Spy Magazine ran a piece about where you fit on the left to right spectrum from Kook to Nut. The Kook position on abortions were that they should remain legal for all 3 trimesters and should be delivered on demand in the school nurse's office. That position doesn't sound so far fetched these days.
 
2012-09-23 02:59:37 PM
Good.
 
2012-09-23 03:05:18 PM
High school girls should not be having babies. If their parents don't agree with that, then they are s**ty parents.
 
2012-09-23 03:06:41 PM
Good. The parents might force their kid to carry an unwanted child.
 
2012-09-23 03:18:57 PM
I'm okay with this.
 
2012-09-23 03:21:46 PM
Parents can opt out of it- so they have been informed.

It's better than abortion. And then there won't be another unprepared mother/father trying to struggle with life decisions while raising a kid.
 
2012-09-23 03:36:46 PM
It's also seriously fiscally conservative. 567 doses of the morning after pill costs less than ten Medicaid labor/deliveries, and that's before you add in the social costs of the girls dropping out of school to care for babies. It's also seriously pro-life, in that even if you take a very conservative position and say that only one in ten of those girls would have gotten pregnant anyway (about 57 girls), around sixty percent of them would have then had abortions. So this school policy is preventing over thirty abortions per year. Isn't it worth it to have that many fewer "baby-killings"?
 
2012-09-23 03:45:49 PM
If the kids are informed and understand whats going on, I have no problem with this.
 
2012-09-23 03:49:05 PM
TFA says only "1 to 2 percent" of parents choose to opt out of this program. So, either most parents are cool with it or a lot of opt-out forms aren't making it home in students' backpacks.
 
2012-09-23 03:49:52 PM
Well, it looks like the Fark legislatures have come to a consensus. So it shall be.

/seriously, this was easy. Congress - you fail.
 
2012-09-23 03:53:03 PM
Do they mash them up and put it in their applesauce?
 
2012-09-23 03:58:15 PM
I'm not that old, and when I was in school they weren't allowed to give ibuprofen or benadryl without Benadryl parent's permission.
 
2012-09-23 03:58:45 PM
I'm totally OK with this.
 
2012-09-23 04:14:41 PM
Yeah - I'm OK with this, as long as the kids understand. I do agree with the woman quoted in the article, though, that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.
 
2012-09-23 04:34:51 PM

dahmers love zombie: It's also seriously pro-life


It's not pro life because the pill causes an abortion. And even though the pill does not cause abortions, far too many people on the pro-life side believe it does, despite the fact it doesn't.
 
2012-09-23 04:44:09 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.


Condoms don't make kids have sex. Why will pill access make kids have unprotected sex?
 
2012-09-23 04:47:34 PM

itsdan: dahmers love zombie: It's also seriously pro-life

It's not pro life because the pill causes an abortion. And even though the pill does not cause abortions, far too many people on the pro-life side believe it does, despite the fact it doesn't.


Actually they have nothing at all to do with abortion. The whole point is to actually interrupt the process prior to fertilization. Which eliminates the need for an abortion. Of course there is shortish window for success, and sooner is better, but there is no little "heartbeat" being extinguished here.
 
2012-09-23 04:51:06 PM
NYC Schools determined to put an end to generational welfare, give out morning-after pills to students Fark: Without telling parents

That's kinda the point, Subby. If they take the morning-after pills, they won't become parents.
 
2012-09-23 04:53:29 PM

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.

Condoms don't make kids have sex. Why will pill access make kids have unprotected sex?


It won;t make them have sex, but kids may feel that since they have birth control taken care of with the morning after or other pill, it's OK not use a condom in addition.
 
2012-09-23 04:54:53 PM

BarkingUnicorn: TFA says only "1 to 2 percent" of parents choose to opt out of this program. So, either most parents are cool with it or a lot of opt-out forms aren't making it home in students' backpacks.


I don't think I ever took a permission slip home after I hit middle school. My parents are fairly liberal and would have signed whatever I needed anyway. I was also a forgetful student, so the easiest thing was to forge their signatures and tell them about it later. This was 15-20 years ago however.

How many kids really take those forms home?
 
2012-09-23 04:55:28 PM
vibe is live and direct express. this is my first love baby and i must confess, i can profess. knowing that i won't get stress. oh yes. oh yes. oh yes. oh yes.
 
2012-09-23 04:55:33 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - I'm OK with this, as long as the kids understand. I do agree with the woman quoted in the article, though, that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.


I'm skeptical that the woman quoted in the article has ever taken a morning after pill, or she wouldn't think that. Apparently, it's not like taking a chewable vitamin or some shiat:
The most common adverse events (>10%) in the clinical trial for women receiving Plan B One-Step included heavier menstrual bleeding (30.9%), nausea (13.7%), lower abdominal pain (13.3%), fatigue (13.3%), and headache (10.3%).

I mean, seriously... What are they picturing? "Hey, condoms sure suck, but now I can get Plan B for free! Let's go bareback! After all, what's a one in three chance of heavy bleeding, and a one in seven chance of throwing up?"
 
2012-09-23 04:56:27 PM
They shouldn't be telling the parents. This is a good thing that parents can only mess up. And, yes, I'm a parent.
 
2012-09-23 04:56:30 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.

Condoms don't make kids have sex. Why will pill access make kids have unprotected sex?

It won;t make them have sex, but kids may feel that since they have birth control taken care of with the morning after or other pill, it's OK not use a condom in addition.


Again, that is the exact same logic that access to condoms makes kids have sex. Why is the logic suddenly valid for morning after pills when you reject the exact same logic for condom use?
 
2012-09-23 04:56:32 PM
NYC: No Big Gulps, but all the Plan B you can take!
 
2012-09-23 04:56:55 PM
Eugenics is the answer. You've seen what's on the streets. Way overdue, sterilize the whole lot of them.
 
2012-09-23 04:56:58 PM
put an end to generational welfare???

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-23 04:57:51 PM
"Why, it's all the fun of a period, any time I want! I can bleed, have cramps and nausea, and top it off with a headache and fatigue! Shiat, sign me up for that every day! Fark condoms!"

I really wonder what goes on in peoples' heads sometimes.
 
2012-09-23 04:57:52 PM
Most should be given the Jonestown version of the pill. Short-circuit the whole next 70 years.
 
2012-09-23 04:59:20 PM

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.

Condoms don't make kids have sex. Why will pill access make kids have unprotected sex?

It won;t make them have sex, but kids may feel that since they have birth control taken care of with the morning after or other pill, it's OK not use a condom in addition.

Again, that is the exact same logic that access to condoms makes kids have sex. Why is the logic suddenly valid for morning after pills when you reject the exact same logic for condom use?


No, the idea is that kids will have sex anyway... The availability of the pill will make more kids say, "forget the condom, I can just take a pill. Bareback feels better anyway."

The idea, however, relies upon an unstated assumption: that the pill has no adverse effects whatsoever.

That assumption is wildly false. So is the entire idea as a result.
 
2012-09-23 04:59:36 PM
But who will flip the burgers and the hair of our aging white rich while they flip the freed-up real estate to suburbanites engaged in reverse white flight back to the cities after gasoline hits $12?

Have they thought this thing all the way through?
 
2012-09-23 05:00:41 PM

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: that an unintended side effect could be that kids will use it as an excuse for unprotected sex, which has lots of other consequences.

Condoms don't make kids have sex. Why will pill access make kids have unprotected sex?

It won;t make them have sex, but kids may feel that since they have birth control taken care of with the morning after or other pill, it's OK not use a condom in addition.

Again, that is the exact same logic that access to condoms makes kids have sex. Why is the logic suddenly valid for morning after pills when you reject the exact same logic for condom use?


I'm not sure why you're equating the two. I think birth control is the primary concern, and safer sex has generally been secondary. But then I'm old, that may not be the case for kids these days.
 
2012-09-23 05:02:28 PM
Oh noes! Our high schoolers are having safe sex!!! Whatever will we do?!??!
 
2012-09-23 05:03:30 PM

brantgoose: But who will flip the burgers and the hair of our aging white rich while they flip the freed-up real estate to suburbanites engaged in reverse white flight back to the cities after gasoline hits $12?

Have they thought this thing all the way through?


umm most women have an "innate" DESIRE to have babies
 
2012-09-23 05:03:34 PM
But only the smart ones will use them. Picture the beginning of Idiocracy.
 
2012-09-23 05:03:37 PM
Typical Liberal Islamists.
 
2012-09-23 05:03:55 PM
Why not just bring back sterilizations for the slow.
 
2012-09-23 05:04:25 PM

Rustblade: Oh noes! Our high schoolers are having safe sex!!! Whatever will we do?!??!


If they are requesting and receiving the Plan B pill, also known as the "morning after pill," then it's not exactly safe sex now, is it? It's unprotected sex, hence the fear of getting pregnant.
 
2012-09-23 05:04:48 PM

Bontesla: Well, it looks like the Fark legislatures have come to a consensus. So it shall be.

/seriously, this was easy. Congress - you fail.


Agreed. Parents have no rights except for the right to agree with farkers.
 
2012-09-23 05:05:56 PM
All over Midol
It was a phone call mother Christi Tanner wasn't expecting. She was told to pick up her eighth grade daughter Lindsey from school immediately, for possesion of a controlled substance. To even greater surprise, Mrs. Tanner says she later found out that "controlled substance" was the over-the-counter pain reliever Midol. Mrs Tanner says, "There was another little girl that was taking medication and had gotten the Midol out of my daughter's purse and gotten sick and that was their reasoning".

Mrs. Tanner says she was also given a letter saying Lindsey would be expelled for the remainder of the school year and the first nine weeks of her freshman year.
 
2012-09-23 05:07:48 PM
Meh.

Seems okay to me.
 
2012-09-23 05:08:36 PM
You know, I honestly thought that all of these ostensibly progressive social movements would come up with something better than the complete abdication of personal responsibility. No, I actually did.
 
2012-09-23 05:09:55 PM
Two weeks ago I ate some bad Mexican food and ended up shiatting the most awful fecal matter I'd ever seen. Seeing that floating in the toilet inspired me to start my own website, www.infantorpoop.com. Unlike all those other websites on the Internet, at InfantOrPoop.com we celebrate life, death and feces.
 
2012-09-23 05:10:02 PM
Abortion is Murder.
 
2012-09-23 05:10:19 PM
shiat, I'd mix it into the school lunches, just to be sure.
 
2012-09-23 05:11:36 PM

mikemoto: I remember back in the late 1980's Spy Magazine ran a piece about where you fit on the left to right spectrum from Kook to Nut. The Kook position on abortions were that they should remain legal for all 3 trimesters and should be delivered on demand in the school nurse's office. That position doesn't sound so far fetched these days.


Gosh my nut detector is off the chart.

FloydA: High school girls should not be having babies. If their parents don't agree with that, then they are s**ty parents.


Old catch 22, Either you're a responsible parent and your daughter would talk to you about birth control and having sex. Or you're a irresponsible parent, and can't be trusted to make major decisions involving your teenagers.
 
2012-09-23 05:12:26 PM

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


so is McRib
 
2012-09-23 05:12:34 PM

Theaetetus: No, the idea is that kids will have sex anyway... The availability of the pill will make more kids say, "forget the condom, I can just take a pill. Bareback feels better anyway."

The idea, however, relies upon an unstated assumption: that the pill has no adverse effects whatsoever.

That assumption is wildly false. So is the entire idea as a result.


Except for one detail - it's usually the male partner, who doesn't suffer the side effects, who gain most of the, um, "benefit" of going bareback. Add impressionable teenage girls, and see a bunch of other STDs show up more frequently.
 
2012-09-23 05:13:01 PM
TFA
Parents at the 14 schools were sent letters informing them about CATCH. Parents may bar their kids from getting pregnancy tests or contraceptives if they sign and return an opt-out statement.

If they do not, schools can confidentially give the contraception without permission.


not sure what the problem is here.

while i applaud responsible birth control, at first I was thinking this is pretty f'd up. i'd be mad if my 14-15 yo kid was given plan b without my knowledge. but then i read the article. i dont think i'd even opt out for my kids- but i would be super pissed if the school system was doing this without parents even having that option.

but since that's obviously not the case, i'll just roll my eyes at an obviously misleading headline and let other people get all worked up over nothing.
 
2012-09-23 05:13:16 PM
Ambivalence:

I'm okay with this.

Me too.

They're not forcing the girls to take it, though I'd also have no problem with that as long as Society keeps viewing people all under 18 as children.

I'd also require these girls to have a Sex Ed refresher course, and I'd require the school to give out free condoms on demand. Teenagers who can't be trusted to use condoms, diaphragms or pills should be put on Depo-Provera or given IUDs.
As long as Society views these girls as children they don't have the right to give birth.

As for the boys, most teenage boys are dumber than the girls. It's too bad they can't be required to have reversible vasectomies as soon as puberty starts.

And no, I'm not kidding.
 
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