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(Toledo Blade)   Election season is in the air, as newspaper-reading conservatives begin their ritual letters-to-the-editor complaining about "Doonesbury"   (toledoblade.com) divider line 32
    More: Obvious, Doonesbury, Garry Trudeau, creationisms, Christian denominations, Wayne State University, University of Toledo Medical Center  
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2012-09-23 04:01:05 PM
6 votes:
Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.
2012-09-23 03:45:35 PM
5 votes:
Yes, making fun of creationism in science class is an attack on Christianity. More specifically, the radical nutjobs of the religion that feel it has a place in education.

Keep your stupid religious ideas in your church.

I don't try to get evolution taught in Sunday school.
2012-09-23 04:18:29 PM
4 votes:
"Don't you think casting doubt on the creation of the world, making fun of those who believe the biblical account and scorning our belief in the same is an attack on Christianity?"

No, it's an attack on stupid people.
2012-09-23 04:38:35 PM
2 votes:
www.answersingenesis.org
2012-09-23 04:37:28 PM
2 votes:
I'll wager that most of the people writing the letters haven't read the comic but were rather told by their Imams "leaders" that them "libruls" have offended their God again and "dadgummit, something must be done to stop them."
2012-09-23 04:27:08 PM
2 votes:
Conservatives have been complaining about Doonesbury for decades. This particular strip created an uproar in 1973:
i50.tinypic.com

Mitchell was guilty, and later spent time in prison for his role in the Watergate scandal.

Funny how conservatives don't complain about Mallard Fillmore being on the comics page.
2012-09-23 04:21:33 PM
2 votes:
In other words, the funny pages are the only part of the paper the conservatives ever read and they won't stand for anyone poking fun at THEM, by gum!

Do they still run Johnny Hart's B.C.? That was frequently on the conservative side.
2012-09-23 04:05:50 PM
2 votes:
You righties HAVE your conservative comic strip. Pity it sucks so bad that most newspapers throw it out.
2012-09-23 10:31:50 PM
1 votes:
From Experian Scares Cthulu: Mormons are not Christians, because they believe Joseph Smith built the One True Church....a role that Jesus specifically gave to Peter as the Rock; Mormons believe that God the Father is NOT omniscient or omnipotent; Mormons do not believe that God the Father existed before the Universe, they believe he's some dude from the planet closest to the center of the universe, Kolob -- which is not mentioned anywhere in any Christian texts. Finally, Mormons believe that God doesn't know what he's doing and that God's rules are suggestions and even *harmful* to humans (see their interpretation of the Garden of Eden story) and that in disobeying God, one reaches the proper state of becoming a god one's self. Again, none of that is what Jesus taught.

Since you've decided you're an authority on the subject---Mormons hold that Joseph Smith was a prophet THROUGH whom the original Jewish-Christian community (guided by the Holy Spirit) was restored to Earth. Mormons hold that the original apostolic authority granted to the early apostles was removed from the Church (The Great Apostasy) before the Nicean and Chacedonian councils because of its systemic sin and corruption. Plenty of evangelical Protestants hold that Heaven is a physical place near or at the edge of the universe (for example see the BBC documentary The Long Search "Protestant Spirit U.S.A.") Mormons hold that the Heavenly Father and most exalted beings continue to spiritually progress and increase over time. The LDS interpretation of the Fall is straight out of St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas's doctrine of the Felix Culpa.. Through coming into obediance, one begins to participate in the sanctification process (like the Puritians believed) and can participate in the process of theosis (becoming God as in the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church and others too.). And Mormons indeed hold that further revelation is possible outside of the Biblical text through the Holy Spirit---not unlike Pentecostals. So kindly back up your sources or take your bigoted ignorant copypasta elsewhere.
2012-09-23 10:11:34 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mormons are not Christians. It's not belief in Jesus' divinity which makes one a Christian, but a) belief in Jesus being the only road to salvation and b) centering one's spiritual life around Jesus which makes one Christian. If i belief Jesus is divine, but do not believe Jesus is the path to salvation, I am not a Christian.


Mormons do believe Jesus is divine and the only road to exaltation. Like some liberal Christian sects they believe in nearly universal salvation. Mormons absolutely center their spiritual lives around Jesus Christ. Every Mormon prayer in Sacrament Meeting ends (In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.) They believe that while other Chrisitian churches are valid paths to salvation--they do not contain the valid apostolic authority that was restored with the re-appearance of the ordinances. (The Pope makes a similar criticism of the Protestant Churches) All of the ordinances are only conditional upon faith in Jesus Christ throughout all of one's lifetime. I don't know why you think you have the authority to define who is Christian but by your own criteria Mormons are every biatchristian. And they are. Just as the pre-Chalcedonians like the Coptics and Syrian Orthodox are.  Christians are not required to believe that God adheres to St. Anselm's ideas about God, like you seem to assert entirely without evidence.

/religion professor, getting lots of kicks, etc.
2012-09-23 09:42:53 PM
1 votes:

Rev. Skarekroe: Hey, Creationist cartoons can be funny too!
Dig this!

[www.answersingenesis.org image 293x317] 

Hilarious, right? Right?


The secret of good humor is that, right underneath it, is a observation seen but not vocalized, a stunning example of taking a thought process and putting it (and the issue with it) succinctly. It's a showcase of wit as well as humor.

Conservative humor only has bitterness. It doesn't engage, it invades; pushing a religious view that must be held at all costs. Good humor gets under your skin and makes you think in a variety of ways. Conservative humor exists to enforce a worldview regardless if you hold it or not. It's not exactly shame-based, but is laughter the quality of sour wine (to steal a phrase from Styron), that only just conceals its hostility and bitterness.

You can see that in the conservative strips. There's no real truth to them: one is an enormous strawman and the other is just pushing a religious view. They only exist as wallpaper for the closed mind to keep thoughts away.
2012-09-23 08:24:12 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]

That's a parody of a bad GOP comic and something from The Onion right?

Please tell me it is.


Looks like the website is someone that's trying to make a buck off the conservatives. gopusa.com
2012-09-23 07:47:41 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Yeah, that's a pretty good one, but it's no DEATH COOKIE


That's actually pretty deep. The parts deconstructing the Roman Catholic Church are correct. I want to know if the parts about the Egyptian ceremony pre-dating transubstantiation are correct, though.

/saw a website claim that Catholic Bishop's mitres go back to Dagonism.
//newine.files.wordpress.com
looks legit. Catholicism stole from everybody else, why not Old Persia on top of Old Europe
/// it's no big deal in the end, as long as it's honest
/believe as you want, just as long as it's honest
2012-09-23 07:34:45 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: x23: when muslims added their volume three they don't keep calling themselves christian.

You think Islam is an offshoot of Christianity and you're lecturing us on theology.

lol


Not an offshoot, but certainly a derivative.
2012-09-23 07:25:00 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: King Something: Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?

Because most American Christians (and almost all theocratic American Christians) are non-Catholic Christians -- Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

/yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians

Sooo... they believe something completely different than Christianity, but can still be considered "Christian" because that's how they 'self-identify'?


Nope. They can be considered Christian because they believe Jesus was the son of God.

That's why Muslims, though they revere Mary and believe Jesus was the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament, aren't Christians. They don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. For that matter, Mohammed is not their messiah. Just a prophet.

Jews go whole hog. Jesus is neither messiah nor divine. Some might think of him as a prophet but since none of the gospel is considered part of their religious texts, it is not a tenet of the religion.
2012-09-23 06:38:49 PM
1 votes:

ilambiquated: ScreamingHangover: I got the good stuff when I was a kid.

This was Tennessee in the 60s. Alcohol was officially a nono. My mother got busted on a felony offence one time -- bringing in whiskey from Virginia for New Year's. But she had good connections.


Ouch!

/New Jersey during the 70s here
2012-09-23 06:15:48 PM
1 votes:

REO-Weedwagon: What is a "pike"


Short for "turnpike road", meaning toll road. A turnpike is a rotating barrier.
2012-09-23 06:08:05 PM
1 votes:

King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians


Mormons are about as Christian as Muslims, in my view. Both their holy books are heavily copied from Christian documents, both claim a new prophet, and both are heresies but have the same basic idea as the Christians.
2012-09-23 05:54:39 PM
1 votes:

PostApocalypticTribe: We used Nilla wafers and grape juice


O.o

That's just wrong. It's supposed to be a solemn holy sacrament, not snack time at a preschool.
2012-09-23 05:19:42 PM
1 votes:
Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.

We used Nilla wafers and grape juice, not saltines. lol YAY being raised Southern Baptist.... um well maybe not so much YAY after all.
2012-09-23 05:07:53 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


zipmeme.com
2012-09-23 05:03:01 PM
1 votes:

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


I've seen the same cranky old fart ad. Basically he does nothing but but describe some vague fear of what the black man in the white house may do if he gets 4 more years. I hate being in a battleground state during elections.
2012-09-23 05:01:25 PM
1 votes:

Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.


Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.
2012-09-23 04:41:00 PM
1 votes:

Malacon: So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?


It's been a while since I checked the Chick Tract, but I think the thesis is that it was usurped by idolatry.
2012-09-23 04:38:02 PM
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?


Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?
2012-09-23 04:34:47 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


That's a parody of a bad GOP comic and something from The Onion right?

Please tell me it is.
2012-09-23 04:31:43 PM
1 votes:
gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

gopusa.com

www.gopusa.com
2012-09-23 04:30:57 PM
1 votes:
Then don't read the farking thing, pussy.
2012-09-23 04:23:17 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: "Don't you think casting doubt on the creation of the world, making fun of those who believe the biblical account and scorning our belief in the same is an attack on Christianity?"

No, it's an attack on stupid people.


crow202.org
Ant
2012-09-23 04:19:41 PM
1 votes:
Right-wing nutjobs should stay permanently in the parallel universe they've created for themselves.
2012-09-23 04:18:14 PM
1 votes:
fta After all, comics are, by definition, not to be taken seriously.

img.photobucket.com
2012-09-23 04:17:45 PM
1 votes:
"Why does the Blade run Doonesbury on the comics page?" Because it's a f*cking comic. Get over it.
 
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