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(Toledo Blade)   Election season is in the air, as newspaper-reading conservatives begin their ritual letters-to-the-editor complaining about "Doonesbury"   (toledoblade.com) divider line 171
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2012-09-23 03:26:23 PM
I wouldn't be aurprised if Gary Trudeau owned stock in Preparation H.
 
2012-09-23 03:27:00 PM
Surprised, even.
 
2012-09-23 03:45:35 PM
Yes, making fun of creationism in science class is an attack on Christianity. More specifically, the radical nutjobs of the religion that feel it has a place in education.

Keep your stupid religious ideas in your church.

I don't try to get evolution taught in Sunday school.
 
2012-09-23 04:01:05 PM
Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.
 
2012-09-23 04:05:33 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.


Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?
 
2012-09-23 04:05:50 PM
You righties HAVE your conservative comic strip. Pity it sucks so bad that most newspapers throw it out.
 
2012-09-23 04:12:34 PM
They got nuthin'.
 
2012-09-23 04:14:37 PM
Doonesbury hasn't been offensive to ANYONE since like 1979 and even then not so much.
 
2012-09-23 04:17:01 PM

Saborlas: You righties HAVE your conservative comic strip. Pity it sucks so bad that most newspapers throw it out.


i31.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-23 04:17:45 PM
"Why does the Blade run Doonesbury on the comics page?" Because it's a f*cking comic. Get over it.
 
2012-09-23 04:18:14 PM
fta After all, comics are, by definition, not to be taken seriously.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-23 04:18:29 PM
"Don't you think casting doubt on the creation of the world, making fun of those who believe the biblical account and scorning our belief in the same is an attack on Christianity?"

No, it's an attack on stupid people.
 
Ant
2012-09-23 04:19:41 PM
Right-wing nutjobs should stay permanently in the parallel universe they've created for themselves.
 
2012-09-23 04:21:33 PM
In other words, the funny pages are the only part of the paper the conservatives ever read and they won't stand for anyone poking fun at THEM, by gum!

Do they still run Johnny Hart's B.C.? That was frequently on the conservative side.
 
2012-09-23 04:23:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: "Don't you think casting doubt on the creation of the world, making fun of those who believe the biblical account and scorning our belief in the same is an attack on Christianity?"

No, it's an attack on stupid people.


crow202.org
 
2012-09-23 04:25:20 PM

St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?


I like how at the end you can buy it for a whopping $0.16.
 
2012-09-23 04:27:08 PM
Conservatives have been complaining about Doonesbury for decades. This particular strip created an uproar in 1973:
i50.tinypic.com

Mitchell was guilty, and later spent time in prison for his role in the Watergate scandal.

Funny how conservatives don't complain about Mallard Fillmore being on the comics page.
 
2012-09-23 04:29:52 PM

St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?


Yeah, that's a pretty good one, but it's no DEATH COOKIE
 
2012-09-23 04:30:57 PM
Then don't read the farking thing, pussy.
 
2012-09-23 04:31:43 PM
gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

gopusa.com

www.gopusa.com
 
2012-09-23 04:34:47 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


That's a parody of a bad GOP comic and something from The Onion right?

Please tell me it is.
 
2012-09-23 04:35:03 PM
So, any SPECIFIC doonsbury they are being all sandy-vaged over, or just the existence of Doonsbury in generalthat they are Q_Q over?

If it's a specific one, link plz?
 
2012-09-23 04:37:18 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


Jesus, is that real? I feel I've been trolled somehow.
 
2012-09-23 04:37:28 PM
I'll wager that most of the people writing the letters haven't read the comic but were rather told by their Imams "leaders" that them "libruls" have offended their God again and "dadgummit, something must be done to stop them."
 
2012-09-23 04:37:34 PM

Notabunny: fta After all, comics are, by definition, not to be taken seriously.


Rofl. You dick. I clicked for 20 seconds.
 
2012-09-23 04:38:02 PM

St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?


Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?
 
2012-09-23 04:38:28 PM

St_Francis_P: Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?


Unless, of course, a fundie is trying to claim that a significant majority of the people in the US are Christians, to support the claim that the US is a "Christian nation".

In fact, looking at the trend lines.... I'm surprised that there hasn't been a piece yet about how Protestants have in 2012 finally fallen below the 50% mark in the US. However, I've not turned up any 2012 publications to indicate it has or it hasn't. Maybe it hasn't hit yet? Maybe none of the survey organizations have noticed that incidental water mark passing in their data?
 
2012-09-23 04:38:35 PM
www.answersingenesis.org
 
2012-09-23 04:39:59 PM
i suppose theres a chance
that republicans could regain the status of past days
but i doubt it

as for now

republican=butthurt
 
2012-09-23 04:40:10 PM

Notabunny: fta After all, comics are, by definition, not to be taken seriously.

[img.photobucket.com image 480x323]


I am ashamed. I fell for it. I am sad.

/I LOL'd at myself
 
2012-09-23 04:41:00 PM

Malacon: So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?


It's been a while since I checked the Chick Tract, but I think the thesis is that it was usurped by idolatry.
 
2012-09-23 04:41:15 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution


DA FUQ?
 
2012-09-23 04:41:28 PM

Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?


It was explained, just read The Death Cookie

I miss seeing the CHICK tag on Fark. I've linked a few hilarious ones but they are always red-lighted. Maybe Chick threatened to sue Drew or something?
 
2012-09-23 04:42:28 PM

Lionel Mandrake: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Yeah, that's a pretty good one, but it's no DEATH COOKIE


* blink *
 
2012-09-23 04:44:31 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-09-23 04:45:23 PM

abb3w: Malacon: So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?

It's been a while since I checked the Chick Tract, but I think the thesis is that it was usurped by idolatry.


Basically, they think that Catholics worship Mary more than God or Jesus. Which is incredibly idiotic, but so are Chick Tracts in general.
 
2012-09-23 04:45:25 PM

Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?


Because most American Christians (and almost all theocratic American Christians) are non-Catholic Christians -- Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

/yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians
 
2012-09-23 04:47:35 PM

theorellior: jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

DA FUQ?


What confuses me is why someone so clearly filled with vitrol and contempt would try to use comics as an expressive media in the first place. What did they feel when they read that? What did they expect others to feel? Why would you attempt to capture those emotions using a comedy medium?

Oh, morans. Why is the answer always morans?
 
2012-09-23 04:49:32 PM
jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.
 
2012-09-23 04:50:29 PM

Mrtraveler01: Which is incredibly idiotic, but so are Chick Tracts in general.


So you think. Black Leaf really DID die!
 
2012-09-23 04:52:32 PM
When is Obama going to apologize for this?
 
2012-09-23 04:54:55 PM
There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.
 
2012-09-23 04:57:44 PM
www.thismodernworld.org
 
2012-09-23 04:58:29 PM
So cue Christian mobs...?
 
2012-09-23 04:58:48 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


Yeah, we've got that one. It's even more sniveling than you note, as it's one of those "not sponsored by anyone in particular, so you can't blame anyone for factual errors". At least they avoided the trap of using a stereotypical old white guy to deliver the dialog.
 
2012-09-23 05:01:25 PM

Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.


Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.
 
2012-09-23 05:02:43 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


Pike as in Turnpike, as in road.

"down the 'pike" = "down the road"

/not a Romney fan
 
2012-09-23 05:03:01 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


I've seen the same cranky old fart ad. Basically he does nothing but but describe some vague fear of what the black man in the white house may do if he gets 4 more years. I hate being in a battleground state during elections.
 
2012-09-23 05:03:22 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


My fave so far is the Romney ad with Marco Rubio basically saying "Yeah, we know the Medicare reforms are going to suck...but do it for your parents...you do love your parents right?" ad.
 
2012-09-23 05:03:34 PM

SilentStrider: I wouldn't be aurprised if Gary Trudeau owned stock in Preparation H.


Nah, I think these people need something a bit more powerful, that comes in a far larger container...

content.ytmnd.com
 
2012-09-23 05:03:36 PM

jenlen: It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


whatsupchuck: Do they still run Johnny Hart's B.C.? That was frequently on the conservative side.


If you stop reading after the first two panels then all of fundies are equally burned by that tract.
 
2012-09-23 05:05:02 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people?


Did he have an onion on his belt?
 
2012-09-23 05:07:01 PM

Lionel Mandrake: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Yeah, that's a pretty good one, but it's no DEATH COOKIE


Chick explains it all so well!
 
2012-09-23 05:07:48 PM

Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.


In short, protestants took out the books of the bible that interfered with their worldview, decided they wanted their holy men to be able to hit dat ass like the angry fist of God, and saw that this was good and that everyone else was wrong. And going to hell. The end.
 
2012-09-23 05:07:53 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


zipmeme.com
 
2012-09-23 05:08:09 PM

King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians


I could self-identify as a walrus but that doesn't make it true.
 
2012-09-23 05:08:25 PM
t2.gstatic.com
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.
 
2012-09-23 05:09:14 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


I love this, where can i see more?
 
2012-09-23 05:10:12 PM

CanuckInCA: jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]

I love this, where can i see more?


It can be found in the bowels of the internet, you must search the shadow from whence it came
 
2012-09-23 05:10:13 PM

MacEnvy: Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.

Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.


Maybe I just don't know anything about Evangicals, because that "comic" seems to suggest that Catholicism isn't legit because they using communion wafer and wine as representations of of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and the idea that it's just a wafer until the Priest blesses it.

My confusion here arises from the fact that just about everyone I know who is not Catholic, but is still some denomination of Christianity, has Holy Communion, where they engage is virtually identical rituals. I've been to my friends churches and was also struck by how so much was different, but the Eucharist was damn near spot on (though my Lutheran friends got to drink the wine).
 
2012-09-23 05:14:10 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


Is this some sort of parody of lefties making fun of the Liberal most conservatives have in their head? If so, then bravo.

/My daughter is going to dress up as baby Lenin this year. The most adorable Commie.
 
2012-09-23 05:14:59 PM

bindlestiff2600: i suppose theres a chance
that republicans could regain the status of past days
but i doubt it

as for now

republican=butthurt


Republicans have become braindead on-off machines in the tradition of theìr King Limbaugh l. Democrats bad; Republicans good. Stick it to the libs! Who needs a brain when it's more fun to torment those who want to do good for America? Do-gooders deserve to be bullied! Like that pìpsqueak Sandra Fluke. Shut! Slut! Slut!
 
2012-09-23 05:15:24 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


Don't you understand? With Obama in the White House, our traditional ability to tell the future has been obscured. Our National Oracle is in a coma. Only by removing the most attractive couple ever to grace the Executive Branch can we right this ship.
 
2012-09-23 05:16:11 PM

Malacon: MacEnvy: Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.

Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.

Maybe I just don't know anything about Evangicals, because that "comic" seems to suggest that Catholicism isn't legit because they using communion wafer and wine as representations of of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and the idea that it's just a wafer until the Priest blesses it.

My confusion here arises from the fact that just about everyone I know who is not Catholic, but is still some denomination of Christianity, has Holy Communion, where they engage is virtually identical rituals. I've been to my friends churches and was also struck by how so much was different, but the Eucharist was damn near spot on (though my Lutheran friends got to drink the wine).


Catholics believe that the wafer and wine is ACTUALLY the body and blood of Christ because the priest spoke some words over it.

Protestants mostly (I'm not sure about Methodists) believe it's symbolic of the body and blood of Christ.

Also at the church I grew up in we didn't do wine, we had grape juice. lol
 
2012-09-23 05:16:26 PM

Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.


I guess Chick ascribes to the belief that saying a hail mary is praying to Mary instead of God and that lighting candles is idolatry.

I read as far as something about 'evil spirits' and communion wafers. He must stand by the baptist version of the last supper - that you can't use wine in communion services because then people will get drunk and be unable to make a sober choice to follow the Lord.

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.
 
2012-09-23 05:19:42 PM
Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.

We used Nilla wafers and grape juice, not saltines. lol YAY being raised Southern Baptist.... um well maybe not so much YAY after all.
 
2012-09-23 05:19:57 PM

Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.




Here's a question---if the communion is supposed to be recreating the last supper, shouldn't the "bread" be matzohs? I thought the last supper took place during Passover.
 
2012-09-23 05:22:20 PM

Malacon: MacEnvy: Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.

Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.

Maybe I just don't know anything about Evangicals, because that "comic" seems to suggest that Catholicism isn't legit because they using communion wafer and wine as representations of of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and the idea that it's just a wafer until the Priest blesses it.

My confusion here arises from the fact that just about everyone I know who is not Catholic, but is still some denomination of Christianity, has Holy Communion, where they engage is virtually identical rituals. I've been to my friends churches and was also struck by how so much was different, but the Eucharist was damn near spot on (though my Lutheran friends got to drink the wine).


So, two things. First I think that the other denominations that participate in the Eucharist are mostly Episcopal and Lutheran. I've never heard of such a thing in evangelical churches.

Second, if you're looking for rational discussion in a Chick tract, you're barking up the wrong tree.
 
2012-09-23 05:26:06 PM

MacEnvy: So, two things. First I think that the other denominations that participate in the Eucharist are mostly Episcopal and Lutheran. I've never heard of such a thing in evangelical churches.


What? Every Baptist and Methodist church I've ever heard of practiced the Lord's Supper. Granted, none of them used that high-falutin' fancy-pants elitist latin name for it.
 
2012-09-23 05:26:26 PM

REO-Weedwagon: There's a horrible Romney ad running here in my battleground state of an old man sitting in a warehouse complaining that with Obama it's hard to know what's "coming down the pike." What is a "pike", and why is the term used almost exclusively by whiny old people? They're the same types who call the phone a "horn" and write letters to the editor complaining about mundane crap.


It's an old expression from one of those inbred states. Farmers were getting all the sheep, and the fishermen, well they were getting frustrated. And everyone knows you don't allow women on ships, and god forbid that sodomy stuff (smells like arse). Anyways a couple fishermen found out that p*ssy smells like fish, or vice-versa, and decided to try a few different types. Anyways, turns out it was pike, and ever since then if someone asked how long you would be in the head for, you would just say "cumming down the pike, almost done".
 
2012-09-23 05:27:27 PM

Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.


Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?
 
2012-09-23 05:29:52 PM
www.toonpool.com
 
2012-09-23 05:31:27 PM

Bonzo_1116: Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.



Here's a question---if the communion is supposed to be recreating the last supper, shouldn't the "bread" be matzohs? I thought the last supper took place during Passover.


Eat your wafer and shut up.

This is religion there's no room for reason.
 
2012-09-23 05:31:45 PM

mjjt: Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.

Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?


whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-23 05:34:14 PM

Bonzo_1116: Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.



Here's a question---if the communion is supposed to be recreating the last supper, shouldn't the "bread" be matzohs? I thought the last supper took place during Passover.


It was a Passover supper in Matthew, Mark and Luke, but in John it took place just before Passover. So if you believe that the Bible is infallible, logically the events of the Gospels must be taking place in two or more separate parallel universes.
 
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2012-09-23 05:34:15 PM

King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians


fairly certain that is a recent thing. like something they only started doing in the past 20-30 years or something. based on how the church is structured they are able to make quick changes like that.
 
2012-09-23 05:34:42 PM

Kevin72: [www.thismodernworld.org image 600x502]


"This Modern World" is brilliant. Just brilliant.
 
2012-09-23 05:37:08 PM

mjjt: Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.

Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?


"Mortally offended?" So she was so offended that now she's dying somehow?
 
2012-09-23 05:42:41 PM

malaktaus: mjjt: Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.

Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?

"Mortally offended?" So she was so offended that now she's dying somehow?


We can only hope.
 
2012-09-23 05:45:19 PM

malaktaus: Bonzo_1116: Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.



Here's a question---if the communion is supposed to be recreating the last supper, shouldn't the "bread" be matzohs? I thought the last supper took place during Passover.

It was a Passover supper in Matthew, Mark and Luke, but in John it took place just before Passover. So if you believe that the Bible is infallible, logically the events of the Gospels must be taking place in two or more separate parallel universes.


Oh yeah, and on a semi-related note: Passover always occurs when the moon is full, solar eclipses only occur during a new moon, yet there was a total eclipse after the crucifixion. Which wasn't mentioned by any contemporary writers, despite the fact that the Bible describes it as being exceptionally long (three hours). Lolwut.
 
2012-09-23 05:48:01 PM
assets.amuniversal.com

My favorite Doonesbury from the 1988 Democratic Primary.
After this, even Gore's own campaign team started referring to him as "Prince"
 
2012-09-23 05:50:48 PM

x23: King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians

fairly certain that is a recent thing. like something they only started doing in the past 20-30 years or something. based on how the church is structured they are able to make quick changes like that.


Ummmm, you think members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" didn't consider themselves Christians?
 
2012-09-23 05:52:13 PM

Karac: Granted, none of them used that high-falutin' fancy-pants elitist latin name for it.


Greek, actually.
 
2012-09-23 05:52:37 PM

Bonzo_1116: Here's a question---if the communion is supposed to be recreating the last supper, shouldn't the "bread" be matzohs? I thought the last supper took place during Passover.


Communion wafer are unleavened, and I think some fringe sects do use matzoh.
 
2012-09-23 05:53:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I could self-identify as a walrus but that doesn't make it true.


Huh, you learn something new every day. I never had you pegged for otherkin.
 
2012-09-23 05:54:39 PM

PostApocalypticTribe: We used Nilla wafers and grape juice


O.o

That's just wrong. It's supposed to be a solemn holy sacrament, not snack time at a preschool.
 
2012-09-23 05:54:56 PM

Karac: mjjt: Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.

Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?

[whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com image 600x833]


I found that one with Google but it was dated July 2011

Article referred to last Sunday's strip?
 
2012-09-23 05:56:43 PM

malaktaus: mjjt: Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.

Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?

"Mortally offended?" So she was so offended that now she's dying somehow?


She like... literally died.
 
2012-09-23 06:05:37 PM

Malacon: MacEnvy: Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.

Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.

Maybe I just don't know anything about Evangicals, because that "comic" seems to suggest that Catholicism isn't legit because they using communion wafer and wine as representations of of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and the idea that it's just a wafer until the Priest blesses it.

My confusion here arises from the fact that just about everyone I know who is not Catholic, but is still some denomination of Christianity, has Holy Communion, where they engage is virtually identical rituals. I've been to my friends churches and was also struck by how so much was different, but the Eucharist was damn near spot on (though my Lutheran friends got to drink the wine).


Protestants believe that the bread and wine SYMBOLIZE the body and blood of Christ. Catholics and Orthodox Christians actually believe in transubstantiation. So, in a way, Orthodox Christians and Catholics practice ritual cannibalism and vampirism.

/recovering Catholic
//former Protestant fundie
 
2012-09-23 06:07:22 PM

PostApocalypticTribe: Catholics believe that the wafer and wine is ACTUALLY the body and blood of Christ because the priest spoke some words over it.

Protestants mostly (I'm not sure about Methodists) believe it's symbolic of the body and blood of Christ.


I was raised Catholic.

I did the 3 C's (Christening, Communion, Confirmation). I went to CCD from 1st grade until 9th. I went to Catholic High School.

It was always presented to me that we believe it is the ACTUAL body of Christ the same way we believe it took 168 hours to create Earth and everything in it. As in... not really. But kinda.

Was I raised a secret Protestant?
 
2012-09-23 06:08:05 PM

King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians


Mormons are about as Christian as Muslims, in my view. Both their holy books are heavily copied from Christian documents, both claim a new prophet, and both are heresies but have the same basic idea as the Christians.
 
2012-09-23 06:15:30 PM
Theocrats force religion sideways into the school curriculum and then say people pointing out the fact are attacking Christianity?

At some point they are gonna hafta figure out that they can't play the bully and the victim simultaneously without looking seriously unhinged.

/I'm not telling them.
 
2012-09-23 06:15:43 PM

Malacon: MacEnvy: Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.

Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.

Maybe I just don't know anything about Evangicals, because that "comic" seems to suggest that Catholicism isn't legit because they using communion wafer and wine as representations of of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and the idea that it's just a wafer until the Priest blesses it.

My confusion here arises from the fact that just about everyone I know who is not Catholic, but is still some denomination of Christianity, has Holy Communion, where they engage is virtually identical rituals. I've been to my friends churches and was also struck by how so much was different, but the Eucharist was damn near spot on (though my Lutheran friends got to drink the wine).


Many of the evangelicals and southern denominations don't consider Catholics as being Christian, and even if they do, have a very negative view of them. Look at some footage from Kennedy's 1960 campaign. Notice the similarity to Romney's current predicament.
 
2012-09-23 06:15:48 PM

REO-Weedwagon: What is a "pike"


Short for "turnpike road", meaning toll road. A turnpike is a rotating barrier.
 
2012-09-23 06:18:32 PM

ilambiquated: King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians

Mormons are about as Christian as Muslims, in my view. Both their holy books are heavily copied from Christian documents, both claim a new prophet, and both are heresies but have the same basic idea as the Christians.


Imagine how the Jews feel.
 
2012-09-23 06:20:58 PM

St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?


Well, for that matter, they aren't too fond of Mormons, either.
 
2012-09-23 06:22:28 PM

PostApocalypticTribe: Catholics believe that the wafer and wine is ACTUALLY the body and blood of Christ because the priest spoke some words over it.


But sadly, I learned at my first communion that I was allowed to get any of the blood because it contains alcohol. Had to wait til I was old enough. One of my great disappointments in life.

Apparently Jeebus is such a drunk that you can get drunk drinking his blood.
 
2012-09-23 06:24:51 PM

bulldg4life: Yes, making fun of creationism in science class is an attack on Christianity. More specifically, the radical nutjobs of the religion that feel it has a place in education.

Keep your stupid religious ideas in your church.

I don't try to get evolution taught in Sunday school.


Hell, I went to a Christian elementary and junior high school and they taught us about the evolution of australopithecines and hominids. Creationism is solely for the unintelligent and uncurious among us.
 
2012-09-23 06:25:08 PM

theorellior: Huh, you learn something new every day. I never had you pegged for otherkin.


Beholderkin?
 
2012-09-23 06:25:40 PM

ScreamingHangover: ilambiquated: King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians

Mormons are about as Christian as Muslims, in my view. Both their holy books are heavily copied from Christian documents, both claim a new prophet, and both are heresies but have the same basic idea as the Christians.

Imagine how the Jews feel.


Heh, my superjewish sister-in-law would probably disembowel you in some highly kosher way if you dared to say "Judeo-Christian" in her presence.
 
2012-09-23 06:26:13 PM

King Something: Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?

Because most American Christians (and almost all theocratic American Christians) are non-Catholic Christians -- Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

/yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians


Sooo... they believe something completely different than Christianity, but can still be considered "Christian" because that's how they 'self-identify'?
 
2012-09-23 06:27:08 PM

ilambiquated: PostApocalypticTribe: Catholics believe that the wafer and wine is ACTUALLY the body and blood of Christ because the priest spoke some words over it.

But sadly, I learned at my first communion that I was allowed to get any of the blood because it contains alcohol. Had to wait til I was old enough. One of my great disappointments in life.

Apparently Jeebus is such a drunk that you can get drunk drinking his blood.


That must have changed: I got the good stuff when I was a kid. My friend was an altar boy and the Parish priest was from Poland... he'd let them finish off what was in the chalice after mass.

/and before you ask:no he didn't try anything: he was just a drunk.
 
2012-09-23 06:33:01 PM

ScreamingHangover: I got the good stuff when I was a kid.


This was Tennessee in the 60s. Alcohol was officially a nono. My mother got busted on a felony offence one time -- bringing in whiskey from Virginia for New Year's. But she had good connections.
 
2012-09-23 06:38:49 PM

ilambiquated: ScreamingHangover: I got the good stuff when I was a kid.

This was Tennessee in the 60s. Alcohol was officially a nono. My mother got busted on a felony offence one time -- bringing in whiskey from Virginia for New Year's. But she had good connections.


Ouch!

/New Jersey during the 70s here
 
2012-09-23 06:43:04 PM

jaytkay: Ummmm, you think members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" didn't consider themselves Christians?


No, it's a little more complicated than that. Like many other groups claiming to to the One True Faith, they don't think any other Cristian groups are Christian. They believe only they follow the true teachings of Jesus Christ, and as their name implies, the Later-day Saints.

Everyone else are apostates.
 
2012-09-23 06:43:33 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


Wow, those really aren't satire, are they? I perfectly capable of laughing at myself, but. good grief those are horrible.

Here's another hilarious example:

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-09-23 06:45:29 PM

PostApocalypticTribe: Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.

We used Nilla wafers and grape juice, not saltines. lol YAY being raised Southern Baptist.... um well maybe not so much YAY after all.


CSB:

When I was in high school, I went on a backpacking trip led by a local Episcopalian pastor. He led a church service on the last night in the back country, which I attended. For communion he used Triscuits and 151 rum. He also demonstrated the "sign of peace" ritual by wrapping up the guy next to him in a bear hug, swinging him around, and hollering "how the f**k are you, man?"
 
2012-09-23 06:53:57 PM

propasaurus: Sooo... they believe something completely different than Christianity, but can still be considered "Christian" because that's how they 'self-identify'?


There's no single official "Christianity". Even the different books of the New Testament can't agree.
 
2012-09-23 06:55:44 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]

Wow, those really aren't satire, are they? I perfectly capable of laughing at myself, but. good grief those are horrible.

Here's another hilarious example:

[www.strangecosmos.com image 725x294]


Someone needs to explain to the author that political satire is about subtlety, not exaggeration.

And christ, as least make it funny.
 
2012-09-23 06:57:11 PM

King Something: /yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians


Does self-identity always trump what the majority thinks?

There are thousands of polygamists in America that self-identify as Mormon. Yet, Mormons will repeatedly tell you that the polygamists are not really Mormon.

It's either true that "Mormon's aren't really Christian" or "There are Mormons that practice polygamy." Logically, both cannot be false.
 
2012-09-23 07:06:08 PM
It always struck me how in many papers Doonesbury and even Boondocks were relegated to the editorial page, yet most of those same papers had no problem having Mallard Fillmore in the comics section (those that actually carried it anyway).
 
2012-09-23 07:09:11 PM

Notabunny: fta After all, comics are, by definition, not to be taken seriously.

[img.photobucket.com image 480x323]


You bastard! I only figured it out because I was using my iPad and when I clicked, it asked if I wanted to save the image.
 
x23
2012-09-23 07:10:37 PM

jaytkay: Ummmm, you think members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" didn't consider themselves Christians?


i'm not the one that thought a memo was needed to emphasize the 'jesus' part of the religion. take it up with them.

"Thus Shall My Church Be Called"

mormons are about as christian as muslims are. when you add a new volume to the story that directly contradicts the previous teachings in many instances you don't get to keep pretending to be the previous group.

when christians added volume two they don't keep calling themselves jewish.

when muslims added their volume three they don't keep calling themselves christian.

but when mormons add a different volume three and make some pretty insanely radical changes to core christian beliefs... they get to keep using the name? i don't think so. they can certainly pretend and 'self-identify' all they want but there is no reason people can't call them on their BS.
 
2012-09-23 07:11:51 PM

DubyaHater: Notabunny: fta After all, comics are, by definition, not to be taken seriously.

[img.photobucket.com image 480x323]

You bastard! I only figured it out because I was using my iPad and when I clicked, it asked if I wanted to save the image.


How are people falling for this? When did Fark ever allow embedded video?
 
2012-09-23 07:17:32 PM

x23: when muslims added their volume three they don't keep calling themselves christian.


You think Islam is an offshoot of Christianity and you're lecturing us on theology.

lol
 
2012-09-23 07:25:00 PM

propasaurus: King Something: Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?

Because most American Christians (and almost all theocratic American Christians) are non-Catholic Christians -- Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

/yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians

Sooo... they believe something completely different than Christianity, but can still be considered "Christian" because that's how they 'self-identify'?


Nope. They can be considered Christian because they believe Jesus was the son of God.

That's why Muslims, though they revere Mary and believe Jesus was the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament, aren't Christians. They don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. For that matter, Mohammed is not their messiah. Just a prophet.

Jews go whole hog. Jesus is neither messiah nor divine. Some might think of him as a prophet but since none of the gospel is considered part of their religious texts, it is not a tenet of the religion.
 
2012-09-23 07:34:45 PM

jaytkay: x23: when muslims added their volume three they don't keep calling themselves christian.

You think Islam is an offshoot of Christianity and you're lecturing us on theology.

lol


Not an offshoot, but certainly a derivative.
 
2012-09-23 07:45:01 PM
Conservatives are dumb. Throw rocks at them!

But seriously, don't they remember the McCarthy-Bumstead Debates? Don't they get the reactionary sub-text of Cathy?

Ziggy is a bourgeois fellow traveller.

The following cartoon strips are drawn by Communists undermining America from within:

Peanuts
B.C.
Life with Father.
The Yellow Kid
The Family Circus

Krazy Kat is sometimes a girl and sometimes a boy but she's always in love with the Mouse in a masochistic pleez-hit-me-with-a-brick-Sweet-Buns kind of way. What's up with that?

The following comics were Nazi during the war:

Tintin
The Katzenjammer Kids
Blondie
Prince Valiant

And you wouldn't believe the crazy conspiracy theories that are put out by:

Garfield
Rose is Rose
Mutt & Jeff
Ahkbar and Jeff

and

Non Sequiter.

Whatever happened to Bloom County? I have some clouds I must go yell at now.
 
2012-09-23 07:45:51 PM

Lionel Mandrake: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Yeah, that's a pretty good one, but it's no DEATH COOKIE


My brain just farking melted from the stupid.
 
2012-09-23 07:47:41 PM

Lionel Mandrake: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Yeah, that's a pretty good one, but it's no DEATH COOKIE


That's actually pretty deep. The parts deconstructing the Roman Catholic Church are correct. I want to know if the parts about the Egyptian ceremony pre-dating transubstantiation are correct, though.

/saw a website claim that Catholic Bishop's mitres go back to Dagonism.
//newine.files.wordpress.com
looks legit. Catholicism stole from everybody else, why not Old Persia on top of Old Europe
/// it's no big deal in the end, as long as it's honest
/believe as you want, just as long as it's honest
 
2012-09-23 07:53:01 PM
i.qkme.me 

/And why did I read it?
//I must be really, really bored.
 
2012-09-23 07:56:10 PM

ArgusRun: propasaurus: King Something: Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?

Because most American Christians (and almost all theocratic American Christians) are non-Catholic Christians -- Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

/yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians

Sooo... they believe something completely different than Christianity, but can still be considered "Christian" because that's how they 'self-identify'?

Nope. They can be considered Christian because they believe Jesus was the son of God.

That's why Muslims, though they revere Mary and believe Jesus was the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament, aren't Christians. They don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. For that matter, Mohammed is not their messiah. Just a prophet.

Jews go whole hog. Jesus is neither messiah nor divine. Some might think of him as a prophet but since none of the gospel is considered part of their religious texts, it is not a tenet of the religion.


Mormons are not Christians. It's not belief in Jesus' divinity which makes one a Christian, but a) belief in Jesus being the only road to salvation and b) centering one's spiritual life around Jesus which makes one Christian. If i belief Jesus is divine, but do not believe Jesus is the path to salvation, I am not a Christian.

Mormons are not Christians, because they believe Joseph Smith built the One True Church....a role that Jesus specifically gave to Peter as the Rock; Mormons believe that God the Father is NOT omniscient or omnipotent; Mormons do not believe that God the Father existed before the Universe, they believe he's some dude from the planet closest to the center of the universe, Kolob -- which is not mentioned anywhere in any Christian texts. Finally, Mormons believe that God doesn't know what he's doing and that God's rules are suggestions and even *harmful* to humans (see their interpretation of the Garden of Eden story) and that in disobeying God, one reaches the proper state of becoming a god one's self. Again, none of that is what Jesus taught.

Mormons are not Christian.
 
2012-09-23 08:19:28 PM

x23: jaytkay: Ummmm, you think members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" didn't consider themselves Christians?

i'm not the one that thought a memo was needed to emphasize the 'jesus' part of the religion. take it up with them.

"Thus Shall My Church Be Called"

mormons are about as christian as muslims are. when you add a new volume to the story that directly contradicts the previous teachings in many instances you don't get to keep pretending to be the previous group.

when christians added volume two they don't keep calling themselves jewish.

when muslims added their volume three they don't keep calling themselves christian.

but when mormons add a different volume three and make some pretty insanely radical changes to core christian beliefs... they get to keep using the name? i don't think so. they can certainly pretend and 'self-identify' all they want but there is no reason people can't call them on their BS.


I basically agree with you, but then again, what's in a name? That which we call bullshiat, by any other name would smell as shiatty.
 
2012-09-23 08:19:34 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Mormons are not Christians. It's not belief in Jesus' divinity which makes one a Christian, but a) belief in Jesus being the only road to salvation and b) centering one's spiritual life around Jesus which makes one Christian. If i belief Jesus is divine, but do not believe Jesus is the path to salvation, I am not a Christian....


What bugs me about mainstream Christian theology is Original Sin. Following Jesus's teachings about how to live a Good LifeTM aren't enough. You need to believe that on top of this (or even without following his recommendations about living) that all humans are born to an afterlife of enternal damnation which can only be avoided by believeing in the human/divine sacrifice of the crucifiction.

It's just such a dark outlook.

All humans are so evil that the only thing that can get them clean in the eyes of God is to bathe them in the blood of another man. Nasty as f*ck.
 
2012-09-23 08:20:45 PM

ArgusRun: propasaurus: King Something: Malacon: St_Francis_P: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Given that even the Catholic Church gave it's a-okay to Evolution by Natural Selection and the Big Bang Theory (almost typed "Big Band Theory", which I'd be okay with, too), any thinking Christian should be fairly convinced at this point that "creationism" is not synonymous with being Christian.

Don't be silly, Catholics aren't even Christians. Jack Chick explains: Are Roman Catholics Christians?

Wait...

So, I'll admit. I haven't been to church in a long time. I did, however, go to Catholic High school for 4 years. Now my memory (and a casual google search) says that the Roman Catholic Church is the origin for all other forms of Christianity. So how can Catholicism not be Christianity?

Because most American Christians (and almost all theocratic American Christians) are non-Catholic Christians -- Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

/yes, Mormons are Christians
//it may be a very bizarre and unorthodox interpretation of Christianity, what with the magic bloomers, the gold plates, heaven being a galaxy with a stupid number of planets, and the whole thing about Native Americans being a long-lost tribe of Israelites, but they still self-identify as Christians

Sooo... they believe something completely different than Christianity, but can still be considered "Christian" because that's how they 'self-identify'?

Nope. They can be considered Christian because they believe Jesus was the son of God.

That's why Muslims, though they revere Mary and believe Jesus was the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament, aren't Christians. They don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. For that matter, Mohammed is not their messiah. Just a prophet.

Jews go whole hog. Jesus is neither messiah nor divine. Some might think of him as a prophet but since none of the gospel is considered part of their religious texts, it is not a tenet of the religion.


"Scientologists hold the Bible as a holy work and have no argument with the Christian belief that Jesus Christ was the Savior of Mankind and the Son of God. We share Christ's goals for man's achievement of wisdom, good health and immortality."

So, Scientologists are Christian as Mormons.
 
2012-09-23 08:23:29 PM
yea, even a comic strip can get up tight, anal retentive republicans' panties in a twist. just imagine what the loss in november will do to them. i'll pray for them and their panties.
 
2012-09-23 08:24:12 PM

Mrtraveler01: jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]

That's a parody of a bad GOP comic and something from The Onion right?

Please tell me it is.


Looks like the website is someone that's trying to make a buck off the conservatives. gopusa.com
 
2012-09-23 08:32:59 PM

foo monkey: You dick.


thenewmissus: I fell for it.


DubyaHater: You bastard!


My work here is done
 
2012-09-23 08:39:49 PM

propasaurus: "Scientologists hold the Bible as a holy work and have no argument with the Christian belief that Jesus Christ was the Savior of Mankind and the Son of God. We share Christ's goals for man's achievement of wisdom, good health and immortality."

So, Scientologists are Christian as Mormons.


I think the point could be made in that case that at least some of them are. In the same way that belief in the big bang or evolution does not keep one from being a christian, why should the belief about where god resides or what extraterrestrial species he created be any different.

The belief in the divinity of Jesus is the starting point. Anything after that is what differentiates the different sects.

The new testament is a memoir and a treatise on morality. It offers very little on the actual form a religion based on Jesus' teachings should take. Hell, the different forms of Christianity can't even agree on what it takes to get to heaven. Belief only, being preordained, good works?

If transubstantiation, the doctrine of justification, saints, the celibacy or the priesthood etc. all came after the New Testament, then all forms of Christianity are derivatives of the original true form. But there wasn't one original form. s soon as Jesus died and the apostles scattered to spread the gospel, each preached or led based on their interpretation of Jesus' teachings and the needs of the people they preached to.
 
2012-09-23 08:40:09 PM

malaktaus: Bonzo_1116: Karac:

Real communions are done the Southern Baptist way - using the same things Jesus Christ himself did. Welches grape juice and crushed Saltine crackers.



Here's a question---if the communion is supposed to be recreating the last supper, shouldn't the "bread" be matzohs? I thought the last supper took place during Passover.

It was a Passover supper in Matthew, Mark and Luke, but in John it took place just before Passover. So if you believe that the Bible is infallible, logically the events of the Gospels must be taking place in two or more separate parallel universes.


And they put Him in the tomb and when they rolled away the stone He was either alive or dead? Schrodinger's Savior??
 
2012-09-23 08:53:20 PM

propasaurus: "Scientologists hold the Bible as a holy work and have no argument with the Christian belief that Jesus Christ was the Savior of Mankind and the Son of God. We share Christ's goals for man's achievement of wisdom, good health and immortality."

So, Scientologists are Christian as Mormons.


Well, except that, if you read OT3, they don't actually believe that.
 
2012-09-23 08:53:32 PM

Malacon: MacEnvy: Malacon: jenlen:

It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


*clicks*
*reads*

No, it wasn't.

Did you read the whole thing? It's an extended explanation for why evangelicals consider Catholics to be idol-worshipers and Papists, not Christians. It's kooky, but it's a pretty standard viewpoint for those folks.

Maybe I just don't know anything about Evangicals, because that "comic" seems to suggest that Catholicism isn't legit because they using communion wafer and wine as representations of of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and the idea that it's just a wafer until the Priest blesses it.

My confusion here arises from the fact that just about everyone I know who is not Catholic, but is still some denomination of Christianity, has Holy Communion, where they engage is virtually identical rituals. I've been to my friends churches and was also struck by how so much was different, but the Eucharist was damn near spot on (though my Lutheran friends got to drink the wine).


Catholics think the bread through Transubstantiation is turned into the body of Christ while protestants think it is a symbolic act in remembrance of Jesus giving his body on the cross. Lutherans think it both, I think.
 
2012-09-23 09:06:39 PM
Hey, Creationist cartoons can be funny too!
Dig this!

www.answersingenesis.org 

Hilarious, right? Right?
 
2012-09-23 09:10:41 PM

Karac: mjjt: Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.

Can anyone provide a link to that strip please?

[whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com image 600x833]


That's nice work. Here's a couple of fun videos on the same message; not quite as elegant, but still good stuff.

Link
 
2012-09-23 09:11:22 PM

Notabunny: foo monkey: You dick.

thenewmissus: I fell for it.

DubyaHater: You bastard!

My work here is done


Ya did good. I would have said something as well, but I didn't want the "how do you keep an idiot in suspense?" epithet... :)
 
2012-09-23 09:13:02 PM
religion is the root of most evil
 
2012-09-23 09:14:57 PM

jaytkay: gee I don't understand why conservative comics don't get better distribution

[gopusa.com image 500x398]

[www.gopusa.com image 500x398]


WTF? Do people actually laugh at that drivel? Seriously, who pays an "artist" for the rights to publish that nonsense?
 
2012-09-23 09:15:43 PM

Smoking GNU: So, any SPECIFIC doonsbury they are being all sandy-vaged over, or just the existence of Doonsbury in generalthat they are Q_Q over?

If it's a specific one, link plz?


Sandy-vaged might be the weirdest thing I've heard today. And my entire walk home from the store, my boyfriend was using the word "regretsy" as a substitute for scientific theories about infinity and alternate number systems. And for things like "I join this couple in holy regretsy." So the standards were fairly high tonight.

Where the hell did sandy vaginas come from? Who started this?

/off to Google
//I expect terrifying results
 
2012-09-23 09:21:11 PM
sandy vaginaed democrats would write in, but they don't know how to read...
 
2012-09-23 09:21:46 PM

doloresonthedottedline: Smoking GNU: So, any SPECIFIC doonsbury they are being all sandy-vaged over, or just the existence of Doonsbury in generalthat they are Q_Q over?

If it's a specific one, link plz?

Sandy-vaged might be the weirdest thing I've heard today. And my entire walk home from the store, my boyfriend was using the word "regretsy" as a substitute for scientific theories about infinity and alternate number systems. And for things like "I join this couple in holy regretsy." So the standards were fairly high tonight.

Where the hell did sandy vaginas come from? Who started this?

/off to Google
//I expect terrifying results


Since most of the whiners are men as well they have sandy cracks since they don't have woman parts, I would say in both cases most of them are so sandy they fart dust.
 
2012-09-23 09:29:43 PM
Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.
 
2012-09-23 09:31:52 PM

doloresonthedottedline: /off to Google
//I expect terrifying results

This

is terrifying
i1.kym-cdn.com

Obligatory
 
2012-09-23 09:41:12 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: doloresonthedottedline: /off to Google
//I expect terrifying results

This is terrifying
[i1.kym-cdn.com image 720x300]

Obligatory


This is better than anything I ever expected to come from Mitt Romney's tax return.
 
2012-09-23 09:42:53 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Hey, Creationist cartoons can be funny too!
Dig this!

[www.answersingenesis.org image 293x317] 

Hilarious, right? Right?


The secret of good humor is that, right underneath it, is a observation seen but not vocalized, a stunning example of taking a thought process and putting it (and the issue with it) succinctly. It's a showcase of wit as well as humor.

Conservative humor only has bitterness. It doesn't engage, it invades; pushing a religious view that must be held at all costs. Good humor gets under your skin and makes you think in a variety of ways. Conservative humor exists to enforce a worldview regardless if you hold it or not. It's not exactly shame-based, but is laughter the quality of sour wine (to steal a phrase from Styron), that only just conceals its hostility and bitterness.

You can see that in the conservative strips. There's no real truth to them: one is an enormous strawman and the other is just pushing a religious view. They only exist as wallpaper for the closed mind to keep thoughts away.
 
2012-09-23 09:46:01 PM

sonorangal: doloresonthedottedline: Smoking GNU: So, any SPECIFIC doonsbury they are being all sandy-vaged over, or just the existence of Doonsbury in generalthat they are Q_Q over?

If it's a specific one, link plz?

Sandy-vaged might be the weirdest thing I've heard today. And my entire walk home from the store, my boyfriend was using the word "regretsy" as a substitute for scientific theories about infinity and alternate number systems. And for things like "I join this couple in holy regretsy." So the standards were fairly high tonight.

Where the hell did sandy vaginas come from? Who started this?

/off to Google
//I expect terrifying results

Since most of the whiners are men as well they have sandy cracks since they don't have woman parts, I would say in both cases most of them are so sandy they fart dust.


Is it really that much worse to fart dust than to just fart disgusting air?

Also, Google was very unhelpful on the etymology of "sandy vagina."



I need to rethink how I spend my weekends.
 
2012-09-23 09:50:24 PM

Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.


It's hard to tell, honestly: it starts off with the common conservative literary trope of The World You Know Is Gone, then layers it on thick by having punditry and convinced criminals fighting the UN against various plays of their own conspiracy theories...and then they openly admit that now 'the conspiracy theories are now reality,' which is strange.

I think the strangest part of all is how this badly-written victimization screed is at once the truest example of right-wing writing and a parody of it.
 
2012-09-23 10:03:35 PM

Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.


Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers and thugs instead of targeting the real causes of crime: poverty, social injustice, corrupt corporations and politicians, etc.
 
2012-09-23 10:11:34 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mormons are not Christians. It's not belief in Jesus' divinity which makes one a Christian, but a) belief in Jesus being the only road to salvation and b) centering one's spiritual life around Jesus which makes one Christian. If i belief Jesus is divine, but do not believe Jesus is the path to salvation, I am not a Christian.


Mormons do believe Jesus is divine and the only road to exaltation. Like some liberal Christian sects they believe in nearly universal salvation. Mormons absolutely center their spiritual lives around Jesus Christ. Every Mormon prayer in Sacrament Meeting ends (In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.) They believe that while other Chrisitian churches are valid paths to salvation--they do not contain the valid apostolic authority that was restored with the re-appearance of the ordinances. (The Pope makes a similar criticism of the Protestant Churches) All of the ordinances are only conditional upon faith in Jesus Christ throughout all of one's lifetime. I don't know why you think you have the authority to define who is Christian but by your own criteria Mormons are every biatchristian. And they are. Just as the pre-Chalcedonians like the Coptics and Syrian Orthodox are.  Christians are not required to believe that God adheres to St. Anselm's ideas about God, like you seem to assert entirely without evidence.

/religion professor, getting lots of kicks, etc.
 
2012-09-23 10:18:07 PM

propasaurus: So, Scientologists are Christian as Mormons.


Scientology is a universal religious tradition. It believes itself to be valid for all times, places, peoples. It is also a missionary tradition---it seeks converts. It is NOT an exclusivist tradition---it does not require that a person adhere solely to it in order to be a member in full standing. Actual beliefs about the Eighth Dynamic (God) are entirely speculative and are left to each member. Exclusivist traditions like Islam, Christianity and Judaism wouldn't like it, but from a Shinto, Buddhist or Hindu or Scientological perspective there is no barrier to practicing more than one religion at once. In fact most religious Asians do.
 
2012-09-23 10:22:51 PM

James F. Campbell: Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.

Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers and thugs instead of targeting the real causes of crime: poverty, social injustice, corrupt corporations and politicians, etc.


holy crap you're pathetic
 
2012-09-23 10:31:50 PM
From Experian Scares Cthulu: Mormons are not Christians, because they believe Joseph Smith built the One True Church....a role that Jesus specifically gave to Peter as the Rock; Mormons believe that God the Father is NOT omniscient or omnipotent; Mormons do not believe that God the Father existed before the Universe, they believe he's some dude from the planet closest to the center of the universe, Kolob -- which is not mentioned anywhere in any Christian texts. Finally, Mormons believe that God doesn't know what he's doing and that God's rules are suggestions and even *harmful* to humans (see their interpretation of the Garden of Eden story) and that in disobeying God, one reaches the proper state of becoming a god one's self. Again, none of that is what Jesus taught.

Since you've decided you're an authority on the subject---Mormons hold that Joseph Smith was a prophet THROUGH whom the original Jewish-Christian community (guided by the Holy Spirit) was restored to Earth. Mormons hold that the original apostolic authority granted to the early apostles was removed from the Church (The Great Apostasy) before the Nicean and Chacedonian councils because of its systemic sin and corruption. Plenty of evangelical Protestants hold that Heaven is a physical place near or at the edge of the universe (for example see the BBC documentary The Long Search "Protestant Spirit U.S.A.") Mormons hold that the Heavenly Father and most exalted beings continue to spiritually progress and increase over time. The LDS interpretation of the Fall is straight out of St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas's doctrine of the Felix Culpa.. Through coming into obediance, one begins to participate in the sanctification process (like the Puritians believed) and can participate in the process of theosis (becoming God as in the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church and others too.). And Mormons indeed hold that further revelation is possible outside of the Biblical text through the Holy Spirit---not unlike Pentecostals. So kindly back up your sources or take your bigoted ignorant copypasta elsewhere.
 
2012-09-23 10:40:30 PM

Malacon: PostApocalypticTribe: Catholics believe that the wafer and wine is ACTUALLY the body and blood of Christ because the priest spoke some words over it.

Protestants mostly (I'm not sure about Methodists) believe it's symbolic of the body and blood of Christ.

I was raised Catholic.

I did the 3 C's (Christening, Communion, Confirmation). I went to CCD from 1st grade until 9th. I went to Catholic High School.

It was always presented to me that we believe it is the ACTUAL body of Christ the same way we believe it took 168 hours to create Earth and everything in it. As in... not really. But kinda.

Was I raised a secret Protestant?


Oh. A CCD kid. CCD kids were always taking things from our desks. Can I have my Shawn Cassidy pencil box back now? (I kid!)

Anyhoo, in my Catholic grade school we learned that since God is all powerful, those "168 hours" could be as long or as short as He damned pleased...which was a nice lead in to learning about the Big Bang and evolution.

/Recovering from 12 years of Catholic school
//Also recovering from Catholicism in general
///Always a heathen.
 
2012-09-23 10:42:33 PM

doloresonthedottedline: Where the hell did sandy vaginas come from? Who started this?



I believe it came from an SNL skit with Gilda Radner saying it to Jane Curtin.
It may have predated that, but that was the first I heard it, and I was very young at the time.
 
2012-09-23 10:50:52 PM

Somacandra: propasaurus: So, Scientologists are Christian as Mormons.

Scientology is a universal religious tradition. It believes itself to be valid for all times, places, peoples. It is also a missionary tradition---it seeks converts. It is NOT an exclusivist tradition---it does not require that a person adhere solely to it in order to be a member in full standing. Actual beliefs about the Eighth Dynamic (God) are entirely speculative and are left to each member. Exclusivist traditions like Islam, Christianity and Judaism wouldn't like it, but from a Shinto, Buddhist or Hindu or Scientological perspective there is no barrier to practicing more than one religion at once. In fact most religious Asians do. They will take money from anyone in the universe.


Removed the thetans from that for you.
 
2012-09-23 11:17:54 PM

Hobodeluxe: religion is the root of most evil


Oh, I wouldn't say that. Religion is the cover for most evil, the excuse, but not the reason.
 
2012-09-23 11:35:27 PM

James F. Campbell: Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.

Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers and thugs instead of targeting the real causes of crime: poverty, social injustice, corrupt corporations and politicians, etc.


"ACC Studios: Publisher of the First Conservative Comic Book" seemed to think otherwise.
 
2012-09-23 11:45:30 PM

whatsupchuck: In other words, the funny pages are the only part of the paper the conservatives ever read and they won't stand for anyone poking fun at THEM, by gum!

Do they still run Johnny Hart's B.C.? That was frequently on the conservative side.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-23 11:48:51 PM

James F. Campbell: Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers


I don't think I've seen a superhero beat up a drug dealer since the mid-to-late 80's.
 
2012-09-23 11:55:24 PM

Hickory-smoked: James F. Campbell: Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers

I don't think I've seen a superhero beat up a drug dealer since the mid-to-late 80's.


He meant to say beat off a drug dealer
 
2012-09-24 01:27:48 AM

Hickory-smoked: James F. Campbell: Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers

I don't think I've seen a superhero beat up a drug dealer since the mid-to-late 80's.


Batman? The Punisher? Kick-Ass?
 
2012-09-24 02:10:22 AM
Yes, get rid of Doonesbury. But you'd better not touch my Mallard Fillmore. Truly legion are the tears of laughter that I've wiped from my face and the aching bellies that I've sustained as a result of the wit and erudition of Mr. Bruce Tinsley. When I read Mallard, I almost feel sorry for Mr. Trudeau -- this kind of comedic genius comes about only once a millennium (twice if you count the "Half Hour News Hour") and I know it must be frustrating for him to be so completely and utterly outclassed.
 
2012-09-24 05:27:07 AM

skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.

Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers and thugs instead of targeting the real causes of crime: poverty, social injustice, corrupt corporations and politicians, etc.

holy crap you're pathetic


Yet you fail to provide any intelligent counterarguments. That's pretty pathetic.
 
2012-09-24 06:30:43 AM

pion: skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.

Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers and thugs instead of targeting the real causes of crime: poverty, social injustice, corrupt corporations and politicians, etc.

holy crap you're pathetic

Yet you fail to provide any intelligent counterarguments. That's pretty pathetic.


As someone who reads a ton of comics and over-intellectualizes them for fun, there is a hugely reactionist-conservative strain in American super-heroics, but doesn't that speak more to the fact that modern-conservatism deals in ideology and stories, such as the constant invocation of Jack Bauer and the threat of a "ticking clock" in the early War on Terror, rather than facts? It's not that Batman is politically conservative, it's that political conservatives attempt to apply the rules of stories to real life.
 
2012-09-24 07:58:11 AM

Rapmaster2000: [t2.gstatic.com image 254x198]
Toledoan Helen Kieswetter is upset with Doonesbury for a different reason. She was "mortally offended" by last Sunday's strip, which featured a parody of a science teacher forced to teach what those opposed to the theory of evolution call creationism.


She was "mortally" offended? Then she is dead, who cares what her opinion was.
 
2012-09-24 08:24:30 AM
I think the local paper runs Doonesbury next to whatever that right-wing-duck tripe is, just to point out the relative quality. The left side of the page routinely has thoughtful storylines; the right side is rarely more than a one-off weak jab at *insert derp-fear here*. Sums things up nicely.
 
2012-09-24 08:57:09 AM

jenlen: It was explained, just read The Death Cookie


Wow. I've said this before, but the rapprochement between the Fundamentalist Protestants & Roman Catholics that we've seen in recent decades won't last, IMHO.

Too much derp ( mostly Protestant, but some Catholic as well).
 
2012-09-24 09:45:49 AM

St_Francis_P: ans.


Chicky boy even has tracts "adapted for black audiences"
 
2012-09-24 10:15:04 AM

theorellior: PostApocalypticTribe: We used Nilla wafers and grape juice

O.o

That's just wrong. It's supposed to be a solemn holy sacrament, not snack time at a preschool.


It fits the mentality of evangelicals.
 
2012-09-24 10:34:36 AM

theorellior: That's just wrong. It's supposed to be a solemn holy sacrament, not snack time at a preschool.


Out of the mouths of babes...

Actually, considering that it's all about basing your lives around one fairy tale or another, Nilla Wafers and Welch's Grape Juice couldn't be more fitting.
 
2012-09-24 11:25:05 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: jenlen: It was explained, just read The Death Cookie

Wow. I've said this before, but the rapprochement between the Fundamentalist Protestants & Roman Catholics that we've seen in recent decades won't last, IMHO.

Too much derp ( mostly Protestant, but some Catholic as well).


Inter-sect conflict has been the norm for most of American history, but as long as they have a common enemy and are afraid of secularism, gays and Muzzies, they're going to keep ignoring the fact that they can't stand each other.

The fact that Perry and Santorum supporters are willing to support Romney is kind of amazing, on that level.
 
2012-09-24 11:51:27 AM

pion: skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: Sheseala: Conservatives tried a comic book.

Not sure if serious though.

Most comic books are conservative. Rich superheroes go around violently dealing with drug dealers and thugs instead of targeting the real causes of crime: poverty, social injustice, corrupt corporations and politicians, etc.

holy crap you're pathetic

Yet you fail to provide any intelligent counterarguments. That's pretty pathetic.


ok, rich white men go around risking life and limb with really expensive toys they funded themselves to help defend those too weak to help themselves. Risking it all to protect the public for free. The Conservatives!

How's that?
 
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