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(Fox News)   Pastors pledge to defy IRS, preach politics from pulpit ahead of election   (foxnews.com) divider line 298
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2012-09-23 02:53:50 AM  
Would you like to start paying taxes?
 
2012-09-23 07:08:46 AM  
They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.
 
2012-09-23 09:13:14 AM  
No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.
 
2012-09-23 09:53:18 AM  

Bontesla: Would you like to start paying taxes?


MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.


Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.


Ha! As if the Obama administration would dare do that. First, that'd be communism. Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans. Third, that'd be communism. Fourth, It'd remove the separation of church and state as pastors openly say who is "blessed by God" to take office. Fifth, that'd be communism. Sixth, Obama, despite WND's claims to the contrary, is a good little Christian boy, and would never do anything to upset the faith. And seventh, that'd be communism.

/Did I mention that'd be communism?
 
2012-09-23 10:15:18 AM  
Churches are pretty much the welfare queens of the US. They take money from people so they do not have to pay tax on the money and in turn pay not tax themselves while taking services of roads, police and fire protection by making others pay. Churches should be free to talk about anything they want from the pulpit but they should not be able to do it while stealing from hardworking Americans by not paying any of their share.
 
2012-09-23 10:57:09 AM  
Fine, talk all you want. And pay yer goddamn taxes.
 
2012-09-23 11:02:41 AM  

IlGreven: Bontesla: Would you like to start paying taxes?

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.

Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.

Ha! As if the Obama administration would dare do that. First, that'd be communism. Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans. Third, that'd be communism. Fourth, It'd remove the separation of church and state as pastors openly say who is "blessed by God" to take office. Fifth, that'd be communism. Sixth, Obama, despite WND's claims to the contrary, is a good little Christian boy, and would never do anything to upset the faith. And seventh, that'd be communism.

/Did I mention that'd be communism?


There should be a Fark stupid tax. Everyone who uses the term communism or socialism inappropriately should be forced to sponsor someone for TF.
 
2012-09-23 11:04:36 AM  
"We're hoping the IRS will respond by doing what they have threatened," he said. "We have to wait for it to be applied to a particular church or pastor so that we can challenge it in court. We don't think it's going to take long for a judge to strike this down as unconstitutional."

you want to mix religion and politics - that's fine. But you pay taxes like everyone else. it's that simple. you don't get to have it both ways.
 
2012-09-23 11:07:12 AM  
It's like they think they have a Constitutional right to be tax-exempt.
Hopefully a nice dose of reality is coming for them.
 
2012-09-23 11:11:58 AM  

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.


Boom.
 
2012-09-23 11:37:09 AM  
Sadly, no one in DC has the balls to actually enforce tax laws in this regard.
 
2012-09-23 11:55:11 AM  
grantjkidney.com

*This is what they actually believe
 
2012-09-23 12:00:41 PM  

Bontesla: IlGreven: Bontesla: Would you like to start paying taxes?

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.

Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.

Ha! As if the Obama administration would dare do that. First, that'd be communism. Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans. Third, that'd be communism. Fourth, It'd remove the separation of church and state as pastors openly say who is "blessed by God" to take office. Fifth, that'd be communism. Sixth, Obama, despite WND's claims to the contrary, is a good little Christian boy, and would never do anything to upset the faith. And seventh, that'd be communism.

/Did I mention that'd be communism?

There should be a Fark stupid tax. Everyone who uses the term communism or socialism inappropriately should be forced to sponsor someone for TF.


Not to mention fascism.
 
2012-09-23 12:01:53 PM  
I'm all for religious organizations not paying taxes, until they start getting involved in politics.

separation of church and state goes both ways (like your mom)
 
2012-09-23 12:02:05 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Sadly, no one in DC has the balls to actually enforce tax laws in this regard.


Correct.
They'll say what they want and no one will ever do anything about it. Ever.
 
2012-09-23 12:02:40 PM  
As others have stated, just revoke their tax exempt status. There is no law stating that churches cannot be taxed.
 
2012-09-23 12:03:46 PM  

eurotrader: Churches are pretty much the welfare queens of the US. They take money from people so they do not have to pay tax on the money and in turn pay not tax themselves while taking services of roads, police and fire protection by making others pay. Churches should be free to talk about anything they want from the pulpit but they should not be able to do it while stealing from hardworking Americans by not paying any of their share.


I don't think churches should lose their tax exemption.. but I do wonder how many 'churches' would bail and disappear overnight if churches suddenly had to pay up. I have a feeling it'd be a bigger disappearance than the 'lost children' of the late 80s, when the tax rules were overhauled so you had to prove the dependents you were claiming actually existed via social security numbers.
 
2012-09-23 12:03:54 PM  
Please please PLEASE make them pay taxes. But wait until after the election to take it to court.
 
2012-09-23 12:04:24 PM  
These churches got a warning last time.

This time, they'll get a tax bill for violating their tax exempt status.

Then we'll see what happens when the establishment clause runs headlong into the free speech protections.
 
2012-09-23 12:04:48 PM  
Well, that'll be a few percentage points knocked off the 47%
 
2012-09-23 12:04:54 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: *This is what they actually believe


Approves
 
2012-09-23 12:06:13 PM  

Calmamity: Fine, talk all you want. And pay yer goddamn taxes.

 
2012-09-23 12:06:42 PM  
Good. The government could use the money.
 
2012-09-23 12:08:00 PM  
Never going to happen. As a matter of fact I have never heard of a church losing its tax exempt status.
I wonder which side the ACLU would defend if it ever came to a lawsuit?
 
2012-09-23 12:08:05 PM  
What I don't get is how many churches are considered charities. The one down the road from me is more of a religious themed social club than anything. They have a gym and a pool, which are for use by dues paying members. They have daycare not just on Sunday but everyday day of the week. The offer all kinds of classes not related to religion like flowering arranging and gardening. Giving to "charity" and receiving childcare and a health spa in return doesn't sound very Biblical to me, it sounds like using God as a way to create a loophole in the tax code.
 
2012-09-23 12:08:59 PM  
What makes me sad is that a fierce and ushakeable belief in persecution of Christianity drives these events despite the fact that the absence of repercussions proves no such persecution exists.
 
2012-09-23 12:09:05 PM  
I think this is a great idea!

However, letting church's say and do what they want changes some other things.

1. They will now pay taxes, like any other organization
2. Religious staff will have to enroll in programs and pay taxes like everyone else.
3. No more religious exemptions to laws.
4. Donations will no longer be tax deductible.
 
2012-09-23 12:09:06 PM  
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legendary: It's like they think they have a Constitutional right to be tax-exempt.
Hopefully a nice dose of reality is coming for them.


The reality is churches amongst others have been exempt from the beginning. The 1861 Federal income tax exempted religious, charitable, educational, and scientific organizations.
Look up Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York.
 
2012-09-23 12:09:34 PM  
I think the only tax deductions a church should be able to take is on the charitable work they do for the community. and they must provide receipts and the names and ss numbers of those families they help. everything else should be taxed.
and if they decide to become a political activist group all that is revoked. no tax deductions and no faith based initiative money.
 
2012-09-23 12:09:51 PM  

Weaver95: "We're hoping the IRS will respond by doing what they have threatened," he said. "We have to wait for it to be applied to a particular church or pastor so that we can challenge it in court. We don't think it's going to take long for a judge to strike this down as unconstitutional."

you want to mix religion and politics - that's fine. But you pay taxes like everyone else. it's that simple. you don't get to have it both ways.


What's funny is if they think the speech restriction would be struck down without the tax exemption being struck down with it.
 
2012-09-23 12:09:58 PM  

Bontesla: IlGreven: Bontesla: Would you like to start paying taxes?

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.

Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.

Ha! As if the Obama administration would dare do that. First, that'd be communism. Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans. Third, that'd be communism. Fourth, It'd remove the separation of church and state as pastors openly say who is "blessed by God" to take office. Fifth, that'd be communism. Sixth, Obama, despite WND's claims to the contrary, is a good little Christian boy, and would never do anything to upset the faith. And seventh, that'd be communism.

/Did I mention that'd be communism?

There should be a Fark stupid tax. Everyone who uses the term communism or socialism inappropriately should be forced to sponsor someone for TF.


I thought TF was the Fark stupid tax.
 
2012-09-23 12:10:31 PM  

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.


Kinda like Media Matters, right?
 
2012-09-23 12:10:36 PM  

meat0918: These churches got a warning last time.

This time, they'll get a tax bill for violating their tax exempt status.

Then we'll see what happens when the establishment clause runs headlong into the free speech protections.


there's no first amendment violation here. the govt isn't censoring their actions. it's only withdrawing their exempt status.
 
2012-09-23 12:11:37 PM  
Hmmmm.....
"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all IRC section 501(c)(3) organizations, including churches and religious organizations, are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."

Good luck with that, dumbasses
 
2012-09-23 12:11:41 PM  

EngineerAU: everyday day of the week. The offer


Obviously the Holy Spirit is kicking sand in my eyes this morning.
 
2012-09-23 12:12:37 PM  

Bontesla: IlGreven: Bontesla: Would you like to start paying taxes?

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.

Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.

Ha! As if the Obama administration would dare do that. First, that'd be communism. Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans. Third, that'd be communism. Fourth, It'd remove the separation of church and state as pastors openly say who is "blessed by God" to take office. Fifth, that'd be communism. Sixth, Obama, despite WND's claims to the contrary, is a good little Christian boy, and would never do anything to upset the faith. And seventh, that'd be communism.

/Did I mention that'd be communism?

There should be a Fark stupid tax. Everyone who uses the term communism or socialism inappropriately should be forced to sponsor someone for TF.


Or possibly a broken sarcasm meter tax.
 
2012-09-23 12:13:03 PM  

Nem Wan: Weaver95: "We're hoping the IRS will respond by doing what they have threatened," he said. "We have to wait for it to be applied to a particular church or pastor so that we can challenge it in court. We don't think it's going to take long for a judge to strike this down as unconstitutional."

you want to mix religion and politics - that's fine. But you pay taxes like everyone else. it's that simple. you don't get to have it both ways.

What's funny is if they think the speech restriction would be struck down without the tax exemption being struck down with it.


i'm pretty sure that if the speech restriction goes, then the tax exemption will go with it.
 
2012-09-23 12:13:08 PM  

Ontos: MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.

Kinda like Media Matters, right?


hey if Fox doesn't like their lies being called out they could always quit lying.
MM performs a public service.
 
2012-09-23 12:14:01 PM  

IlGreven: Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans.


Somehow I doubt these pastors in question are going to be swaying folks to vote for Obama.
 
2012-09-23 12:14:41 PM  
 
2012-09-23 12:15:11 PM  
Oh, they'll crack down on some preachers all right. And not the ones that Fox Izvestia quotes in TFA.

imageshack.us
 
2012-09-23 12:15:24 PM  
fta "The IRS will send out notices from time to time and say you crossed the line," added Garlow, a senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in San Diego. "But when it's time to go to court, they close the case."

Hear that IRS? This church is calling you a wuss. Wusswusswusswusswuss. Wussywusswusswussywussywusswuss. What are you going to do about it, IRS? Huh? Are you going to go home and cry? Are you gonna cry? Hey, everybody! The IRS is a wussy crybaby!
 
2012-09-23 12:15:44 PM  
My friends, welcome back to the Church of doyner. My sermon to you today will be about the blessings of this country and how I now enjoy a tax-free lifestyle for preaching to you all from my home church.
 
2012-09-23 12:16:29 PM  
oh and did anyone watch MTP this morning? Bay Buchanan was sounding like Baghdad Bob and being mocked by the other conservatives on the panel. I'm sure they'll be videos around later on.
 
2012-09-23 12:16:46 PM  
what a bunch of stupid cock suckers. nobody is muzzling you or abridging your constitutional rights. you can preach politics all day long. you just have to pay farking taxes like everybody else.
 
2012-09-23 12:16:59 PM  

IlGreven: Bontesla: Would you like to start paying taxes?

MrBallou: They think they never have to pay taxes. It's an entitlement thing.

Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just give up your tax exempt status, and you can politic all you want.

Ha! As if the Obama administration would dare do that. First, that'd be communism. Second, he'd be handing the keys to the White House and the Capitol to Romney and the Republicans. Third, that'd be communism. Fourth, It'd remove the separation of church and state as pastors openly say who is "blessed by God" to take office. Fifth, that'd be communism. Sixth, Obama, despite WND's claims to the contrary, is a good little Christian boy, and would never do anything to upset the faith. And seventh, that'd be communism.

/Did I mention that'd be communism?


I watched Jack and Rexella Van Impe make this exact argument today, no shiat.

Let 'em preach: They couldn't even swing the GOP primary to Santorum or Perry.
 
2012-09-23 12:17:35 PM  
It sucks and it blows but the IRS isn't going to touch them at all.
 
2012-09-23 12:18:22 PM  
Jonah Goldberg @JonahNRO

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2012-09-23 12:20:22 PM  

Amdam: Please please PLEASE make them pay taxes. But wait until after the election to take it to court.


Yep. Let 'em preach from the pulpit. Then on Nov. 7, drop the IRS hammer all over those f*ckers.
 
2012-09-23 12:20:40 PM  
A lot of black churches have been doing this all along.
 
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