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(Seattle Times)   Right now three states are trying to legalize marijuana, and what happens the morning after Election Day is anybody's guess   (seattletimes.com) divider line 14
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2012-09-23 08:00:30 AM
3 votes:
What would happen?

imageshack.us
2012-09-23 07:53:34 AM
3 votes:
Marijuana addiction is a chronic problem.
2012-09-23 09:28:02 AM
2 votes:

His Sonshine: ...But we don't need your legalized drugs messing up our kids.


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2012-09-23 09:02:27 AM
2 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: but what about employers that demand that employees pass random drug testss?

marijuana makes u stupid so u can't fly a plane correctly. and makes you see demons


Apparently religion will do that too.
2012-09-23 08:10:54 AM
2 votes:
I have absolutely no problem with legalizing weed. I used to puff bales of it back in the day. It's a harmless recreational drug. My deal is, being a recovering alcoholic, that this stuff IS legal, and should be under more scrutiny. The fact that the gubment makes millions off of taxes on it, and BILLIONS off of incarcerating casual weed smokers, means that it just plain won't happen. But, people that drive while stoned still get into wrecks; much less than drunk drivers, but it still happens.

I have no issue with what people do in the privacy of their own homes. My wife smokes weed, to my detriment, since I'm in recovery and have no support from her whatsoever. I told her not to bring it in the house, and she does anyway, and goes out to smoke as well. She's driving while impaired, and I have a serious problem with that, being as I have 2 DUI's under my belt. I had to get legal action to stop her from driving with the kids while she was stoned, since "our kids are friends with their kids". I called bullshiat, and got a lawyer. Bottom line is, if you want to get high, by all means, have at it. But if you're in a relationship with someone in recovery and still want to get high, you are doing SERIOUS damage.

/end rant
2012-09-23 10:40:38 AM
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: but what about employers that demand that employees pass random drug testss?


Probably the same as what happens with, say, healthcare companies that ban consumption of tobacco by employees--you get fired or at the very least get to go to a mandatory "Quit Smoking" course.

(If marijuana became legal and taxable, you'd still have at least some industries that explicitly ban its use whilst on the job or even banning employees from using it at all. Most "CDL jobs" require abstinence from alcohol 24 hours before a run, for example, and it's becoming increasingly common for healthcare companies to ban use of tobacco products altogether--and some even go to the point of "beyond piss tests" to make sure of this.)

marijuana makes u stupid so u can't fly a plane correctly.

You'd be really, really shocked to find what all does bugger up one's perception and makes one "unable to fly a plane correctly"--a surprising number of OTC medications are actually prohibited 24 to 72 hours before flight, including Zyrtec and Actifed and Benadryl (a partial list is here--one of the more surprising ones is that Accutane is a disqualifier for night-flying, presumably because it's a retinoin and thus can interfere with night vision).

Even if marijuana were legalised over all fifty states tomorrow (unlikely--hell, I live in a state where fully half the counties haven't legalised alcohol post-Prohibition, and counties are only starting to go "moist" and/or allow Sunday sales because they realise they're haemorrhaging tax revenue from restaurants refusing to set up shop), it's quite likely you'd still very much have not only the DOT rules in place that prohibit taking a lot of medications for commercial pilots/drivers/conductors/etc...but in addition, you'd still have the laws in place in a lot of states that ban "driving while impaired" on ANY substance, not just alcohol. (In some rare cases, people have actually gotten DWIs from prescription medications and even as a result of going into insulin shock--legality of the substance isn't the determining factor, it's being an impaired driver.)

and makes you see demons

...OK, you really should be checking your source and shouldn't be smoking the "wet" stuff or the stuff mixed with bath salts :D

In all seriousness, the only cases I've heard of--and I've actually read medical journals for funsies on this--involving folks on marijuana seeing "demons" usually ended up with those persons having an underlying psychotic mental disorder with religious hallucinations. I can also state (via experience with a now-deceased relative who likely had a severe undiagnosed mental disorder) that such "religious ideation" and "seeing demons" is quite possible even in teetotalers; interestingly, probably a factor underappreciated would be the fact that persons with psychotic disorders can sometimes trend towards hyperreligiosity (and that at least some coercive religious groups are known to explicitly target the mentally ill for recruitment) and it's precisely those people who would be more likely to see "demonic manifestations" in any sort of psychotic break.

Also underappreciated--it is not unknown and actually fairly common for persons with undiagnosed or even diagnosed-but-untreated mental illness to "self-medicate" with recreational pharmaceuticals, particularly in the US (where the status of mental health care ranges from "medeival" to "functionally nonexistent"). Some of the investigation re the use of marijuana in treatment of PTSD actually comes from observation of this self-medication, in fact.

tl;dr version--if someone's seeing "demons" while on weed and said weed hasn't been laced with something known to be a strong dissociative or hallucinogen, they probably had something Not Quite Right upstairs to begin with. This is marijuana, not "bath salts" :D
2012-09-23 09:10:44 AM
1 votes:
Well I know that out in Colorado they're having a vote to "free the weed" man. I know this because my brother in law lives out there and I'm pretty sure he is into the lifestyle just judging by his clothing and musical preferences. My wife and I went out to Denver over the Summer and we couldn't believe the things we saw regarding marijuana. There are literally stores everywhere selling it. We even saw a girl in a bikini with marijuana leaves for the top and she was holding a sign pointing to a store selling it. We still laugh calling it the "mile high city". Weird people out there. But we don't need your legalized drugs messing up our kids.
2012-09-23 09:07:24 AM
1 votes:

demonwolf04: Fail in Human Form I say 70 - 30 chance the Feds step in with an injunction. Given how they're treating medical cannabis I think they'll come down hard to..... nip this in the bud.

It's going to be more difficult for states to tax and regulate. Were they to simply decriminalize it, it would merely become the feds responsibility to enforce it (I'm not sure you can get a court order to force the state to pass a law or to require the state use resources to enforce something that isn't a law). In states that want to become the distributor of it, they're ignoring federal law, which is no better than Arizona and their border shenanigans. Besides, from what I understand, states that only sell liquor at state-owned shops have their own issues. Tax it? You bet. Be the sole distributor for the state? May be time to rethink that.


This is one thing I have been wondering about with the feds vs states. What will happen if all 50 states legalize it yet it is still illegal at the federal level? Other than us becoming a laughing stock to the rest of the world, would the federal law have to disappear? I would hope at that point congress critters would eventually view it as politically safe to legalize it on the federal level, but who knows with those idiots.
2012-09-23 09:03:03 AM
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: m2313: Real Women Drink Akvavit: How timely an article! We've got about a month or so until harvest in the Emerald Triangle, which isn't too terribly far from me. I'm not a pot smoker, but I do have some problems with my back and hip from decades of mosh pits and skateboard parks. I'd love to get my hands on some of the "shake" (I think that's what they call it) and experiment with cannabis butter. I'm a wonderful cook, so the biggie would be what to make first once I got the butter part nailed. Hmmm....

Ahhh dude, no.
"Shake" is the cruddy little bits left at the bottom of the bag. It's weed crumbs. Usually stems and seeds with little THC content. Although if you're good at rolling, you can make it useful.
I thought about looking for trimwork/gave the idea some consideration once but I didn't have a card, prefer not getting into shady biz, and I wasn't going to hitch up and down the 101 endlessly looking for an in, especially after it got so blown up.

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Why is there a phone photoshopped into the picture?
2012-09-23 08:46:51 AM
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: How timely an article! We've got about a month or so until harvest in the Emerald Triangle, which isn't too terribly far from me. I'm not a pot smoker, but I do have some problems with my back and hip from decades of mosh pits and skateboard parks. I'd love to get my hands on some of the "shake" (I think that's what they call it) and experiment with cannabis butter. I'm a wonderful cook, so the biggie would be what to make first once I got the butter part nailed. Hmmm....


Ahhh dude, no.
"Shake" is the cruddy little bits left at the bottom of the bag. It's weed crumbs. Usually stems and seeds with little THC content. Although if you're good at rolling, you can make it useful.
I thought about looking for trimwork/gave the idea some consideration once but I didn't have a card, prefer not getting into shady biz, and I wasn't going to hitch up and down the 101 endlessly looking for an in, especially after it got so blown up.
2012-09-23 08:08:42 AM
1 votes:

Madduck: Real Women Drink Akvavit: so the biggie would be what to make first once I got the butter part nailed. Hmmm....

Making butter is fairly easy, after straining through cheesecloth, I would put the melted butter/water into the freezer. Once frozen, it is a you break off the butter from the ice, and it is nicely seperated and most of the particulate matter that the cheesecloth didnt catch, is caught with this method.

I have also made infused olive oil for cooking. Same principle as making butter.


earth to stoopid person: nobody KNOWS WHAT CHEESE CLOTH IS
2012-09-23 07:42:57 AM
1 votes:
I say 70 - 30 chance the Feds step in with an injunction. Given how they're treating medical cannabis I think they'll come down hard to..... nip this in the bud.
2012-09-23 07:15:40 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: Girion47: Hell I'd be happy if the DEA would reschedule marijuana, I've yet to see a good reason for it to be schedule I

there's another rescheduling hearing set for Oct 16th. I wouldn't hold my breath though


I was told you're supposed to hold your breath after taking a hit.
2012-09-23 04:39:43 AM
1 votes:
Many people start to make plans to move?
 
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