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(SFGate)   New study from the Ralph Nader School of Design concludes that small cars do worse in accidents   (sfgate.com ) divider line
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523 clicks; posted to Business » on 23 Sep 2012 at 6:16 AM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-09-23 06:25:28 AM  
And you'll walk away from a wreck in a modern small car. As opposed to a giant metal deathtrap from the 60s.
 
2012-09-23 06:28:02 AM  
shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?
 
2012-09-23 07:26:53 AM  

Girion47: shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?


I AM big and bad.

Nice thing about this truck is when I run over you and your prius, it just feels like a speed bump. I can continue on my way and not be late for work.

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2012-09-23 07:32:12 AM  
I thought Smart cars were pretty neat until I saw some footage of crash tests. The damn thing is just a steel rollcage where shock is transferred almost immediately to the driver/passenger.
 
2012-09-23 07:40:18 AM  

Basily Gourt: Girion47: shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?

I AM big and bad.

Nice thing about this truck is when I run over you and your prius, it just feels like a speed bump. I can continue on my way and not be late for work.

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If that's a real pic of you, then I say "Welcome back to life, John Denver! Why are you wearing a skirt with black hose?"
 
2012-09-23 07:43:21 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Basily Gourt: Girion47: shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?

I AM big and bad.

Nice thing about this truck is when I run over you and your prius, it just feels like a speed bump. I can continue on my way and not be late for work.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 480x300]">

If that's a real pic of you, then I say "Welcome back to life, John Denver! Why are you wearing a skirt with black hose?"


If that were me, I wouldn't put it on the internet.

Just some random photo I found awhile back.

It seems to piss the hippies off, so I post it once in awhile just to amuse myself.
 
2012-09-23 09:19:50 AM  

Basily Gourt: TheShavingofOccam123: Basily Gourt: Girion47: shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?

I AM big and bad.

Nice thing about this truck is when I run over you and your prius, it just feels like a speed bump. I can continue on my way and not be late for work.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 480x300]">

If that's a real pic of you, then I say "Welcome back to life, John Denver! Why are you wearing a skirt with black hose?"

If that were me, I wouldn't put it on the internet.

Just some random photo I found awhile back.

It seems to piss the hippies off, so I post it once in awhile just to amuse myself.


eh, not pissed off, my car gets 21 mpg on a "good" day. If by good you mean slow, boring, and staying out of turbo.
 
2012-09-23 11:18:47 AM  
FTFA:
"Injury claims data show something that crash test results can't, and that's the role that vehicle size plays"

Actually, the test results show that. They've always shown that.

What confuses the issue is the way the government categorizes crash test results. They give the same ratings within vehicle size classes. That means that a "four star crash rating" for a tiny little car is only in comparison with other tiny little cars, and the same number of stars for a luxury car is versus other luxury cars.

Compact cars have always fared worse in crash tests - but the people who report on "safety" didn't want you to know that, because they wanted better gas mileage more than they wanted safe cars.

That said, cars are much safer than they used to be - but you're still better off buying a big car with a two star rating than a tiny car with four stars.
 
2012-09-23 12:17:08 PM  
Are other factors at play here?

Is the kind of person that buys a Yaris also the kind of person that claims to be injured after a minor fender bender?

I can picture a typical 911 owner crawling from the smoldering wreckage in the cornfield saying "I'm good.".

And the Crown Vic was once once thought to be a dangerous car until someone noticed that they were driven almost exclusively by cops and octogenarians.
 
2012-09-23 01:10:47 PM  
emonk:
Are other factors at play here?

Maybe a little, but when you look at actual accident tests (and how they score them), it's really, REALLY obvious that small cars don't fare as well in even minor accidents.

When you read the fine print in the safety tests from NHTSA, you see why they score cars by weight and size categories. If they put them all in one "how safe are they" group, the small cars would all end up with one or two stars, and most of the big cars and trucks would get the five star ratings.

Just remember: Accident ratings are relative to vehicle size, not actual results.
 
2012-09-23 02:44:31 PM  
New study from the Ralph Nader School of DesignRick Romero Institute of Safety concludes that small cars do worse in accidents

FTFY

When I had driver's ed back in 1980, they showed us a movie of cars of various sizes in head on collisions. Without exception, the big cars seemed to just eat the smaller ones. The crash test dummies in the bigger cars were totally undamaged while the ones in the smaller cars were mangled and, in one case, decapitated.
 
2012-09-23 03:53:35 PM  

cirby: FTFA:
"Injury claims data show something that crash test results can't, and that's the role that vehicle size plays"

Actually, the test results show that. They've always shown that.

What confuses the issue is the way the government categorizes crash test results. They give the same ratings within vehicle size classes. That means that a "four star crash rating" for a tiny little car is only in comparison with other tiny little cars, and the same number of stars for a luxury car is versus other luxury cars.

Compact cars have always fared worse in crash tests - but the people who report on "safety" didn't want you to know that, because they wanted better gas mileage more than they wanted safe cars.

That said, cars are much safer than they used to be - but you're still better off buying a big car with a two star rating than a tiny car with four stars.


Also, most tests involve things like crashing into a wall. Small cars perform great when their bumper (what is supposed hit something) hits something. All of the crumple zones in the world won't help you when the vehicle's bumper is higher than yours, bypasses your safety equipment, and comes right through the windshield.

nynerd.com
 
2012-09-23 03:58:35 PM  

ghare: And you'll walk away from a wreck in a modern small car. As opposed to a giant metal deathtrap from the 60s.


I trust the 1960s car. Add a 5 point harness you are set.
 
2012-09-23 07:28:39 PM  
got a kick out of Corvette being on the safe list. maybe it's because i'm in NJ but most 'vettes I see are only driven on sunny lovely weekends. very few are daily drivers. and they are rare as motorcycles in winter. I think people drive them with greater care because they and their insurance is quite dear.
 
2012-09-23 09:22:38 PM  

Girion47: shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?


Not to mention a lot of people don't know how to drive a larger vehicle, or the hazards that come with it. SUVs and trucks have a higher center of balance which means they'll flip really easily.
 
2012-09-23 09:33:49 PM  

emonk: Are other factors at play here?

Is the kind of person that buys a Yaris also the kind of person that claims to be injured after a minor fender bender?

I can picture a typical 911 owner crawling from the smoldering wreckage in the cornfield saying "I'm good.".

And the Crown Vic was once once thought to be a dangerous car until someone noticed that they were driven almost exclusively by cops and octogenarians.


They type of person your looking for is called an 'American.'

You mean they would look at the wreckage and ask themselves "who can I sue for this?" Last guy that backed into my car with his 911 while I was backing out tried to claim that the dents in the rear fender were from my car. Which would be amazing as they were way too high for my bumper to cause, also they were covered in dust. He stopped when my friend who was in my passenger seat mentioned he was a cop and asked if the man actually wanted to continue with his claims.

Crown Vics are terrible cars. The only reason they continued to use them was because major police departments needed to 'BUY 'MURICAN' and Chevrolet/Chrysler had dropped out of bidding for police vehicles contracts. Smaller police forces were then forced to follow the choices of the major ones. Police forces haven't chosen a replacement yet because California is broke so the LAPD has to wait and see how much money they will have next year.


/Sad that Saab is out of business. Audi is an okay replacement at best.
 
2012-09-23 10:00:24 PM  
wait....what is the Corvette doing on the safest list?
 
2012-09-23 10:28:05 PM  

wildlifer: I trust the 1960s car. Add a 5 point harness you are set.


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/agrees
 
2012-09-24 05:15:53 AM  

Basily Gourt: Girion47: shiat like this is what encourages idiots to buy bigger, bulkier cars which leads to more injuries for small car owners. I'd be willing to bet that if you reduced SUV and pickup ownership by a large amount, accidents would fall as well. Those behemoths block sight-lines in city traffic and make pulling out much more dangerous for those of us that don't buy cars just so we can feel big and bad on the road.

Did you know a station wagon can accomplish almost everything an SUV can that the typical suburbanite would need it for and with better gas mileage?

I AM big and bad.

Nice thing about this truck is when I run over you and your prius, it just feels like a speed bump. I can continue on my way and not be late for work.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 480x300]">


funniest thing, I actualy had someone driving a POS almost that uge who couldn't overtake me on my bycicle imediately complain thatI was "blocking trafic".
 
2012-09-24 04:14:40 PM  
In crashes with big cars, yes.

Wanna guess where I'm going next with my idea about how to fix this "problem"?
 
2012-09-24 11:31:05 PM  
As someone who walked away from an accident where we rolled a 1992 Civic at 65 mph seven times, I think I am ok with the small cars. The danger is the big cars that everyone buys and then can't handle.

I can't tell you how many grandmas I see around town who have been stuffed into SUVs for "safety." Most of them look absolutely terrified as they are trying to drive those things.

Now, we have a Dodge 3500 dually diesel for pulling horses, hay, moving equipment, etc, but I drive a Yaris and my wife drives a Matrix most days.
 
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