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(Nola.com)   Once again, HBO finds a way to screw David Simon and his loyal fans   (nola.com) divider line 30
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2012-09-23 12:42:06 AM  
I think 3.5 seasons is just fine. Why do shows have to go on and on anyway? Jeez.
 
2012-09-23 02:30:56 AM  
Treme is the only show/movie set in New Orleans that was in any way accurate to our culture. While not flattering, it was real.

And I still want to bang LaDonna.
 
2012-09-23 03:26:32 AM  
Treme is one of the few HBO shows that I felt no urge to watch past episode 1.

Girls is on that list too.
 
2012-09-23 04:40:04 AM  

BioStormX: Treme is one of the few HBO shows that I felt no urge to watch past episode 1.

Girls is on that list too.


So you liked John From Cincinnati?
 
2012-09-23 06:00:18 AM  
Well since the previous link/thread got redlighted, I'll just c/p:

Wooooo! I wasn't even expecting the show to get a third season, so a fourth--even at half length--is VERY welcome news!
 
2012-09-23 06:38:05 AM  
Show should have been off the air after Season 1.
 
2012-09-23 06:52:15 AM  
Maybe in contention for the worst HBO show. I couldn't imagine a more bland dry subject for a show and in a less appealing place. But they are running this dog for 4 years and cancelled Carnivale after 2.
 
2012-09-23 07:29:36 AM  
I'm watching it, but it's not really a show to me. It's just something to take in.
 
2012-09-23 08:54:25 AM  

dickfreckle: Treme is the only show/movie set in New Orleans that was in any way accurate to our culture. While not flattering, it was real.

And I still want to bang LaDonna.


And her non-moving, perma-biatch face? No thanks. 

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Me, I'll gladly take Annie:

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So, how many episodes in the fourth season? Eight?
 
2012-09-23 09:14:09 AM  
How is that screwing Simon? This is good news. 4 seasons with an opportunity to complete the story. I think most shows would love to have that.
 
2012-09-23 09:22:18 AM  

""Treme" drew an average of 2.2 million cumulative weekly viewers in its second season, far below HBO blockbusters like "True Blood," "Game of Thrones" and "Boardwalk Empire," but HBO programming executives had expressed admiration for the show's execution and importance."


Yet HBO couldn't keep Deadwood on the air for a few more years?

 
2012-09-23 09:45:44 AM  

skinink: ""Treme" drew an average of 2.2 million cumulative weekly viewers in its second season, far below HBO blockbusters like "True Blood," "Game of Thrones" and "Boardwalk Empire," but HBO programming executives had expressed admiration for the show's execution and importance."
Yet HBO couldn't keep Deadwood on the air for a few more years?


A five-episode fourth season of Treme comes out to 36 episodes. Deadwood had 36 episodes.
 
2012-09-23 11:30:05 AM  
I like the show, but mostly for the music, culture, and atmosphere. There isn't a whole lot of overarching plot but the character's are interesting and the show is well done and well acted. Glad he'll be able to wrap it up how he likes.
 
2012-09-23 11:52:12 AM  
I haven't sat down to watch Treme yet, but since I've become a fan of Simon after The Corner and The Wire, I'm sure I'll find it enjoyable since it's sure to feature a complex cast of characters in a vibrant and realistic setting with arcs that span entire seasons.

With that said, the reason I haven't watched Treme yet is because the subject matter doesn't seem interesting to me and I'm catching up on a backlog of other shows - including Boardwalk Empire and Games of Thrones - before I get to Treme.

So, hopefully by the time I watch Treme (at which point I'll probably be kicking myself for not getting into the show earlier, like I did with The Wire), David Simon will have moved on to a new project and it'll be something that grabs my attention. Or, more likely, it'll be something I fail to watch until it's almost off the air.
 
2012-09-23 12:36:57 PM  

stringtheory3: How is that screwing Simon? This is good news. 4 seasons with an opportunity to complete the story. I think most shows would love to have that.



It doesn't complete the story, though.  He's going year by year, and he absolutely needed to include the Saints Super Bowl victory.  Which by my count... unless he speeds things up... he can't.  Without that, you're not telling the story of New Orleans post-Katrina.  Say whatever you want about the importance of sports, that was the single event that told everyone down here that the post-Katrina days were over.
 
Of course, the idiot skipped over the first game in the Superdome in Season Two... which had a play that was so important to the city we just erected a statue to it.
 
2012-09-23 12:40:27 PM  
I like Treme, don't get me wrong, but the show is more about atmosphere than any actual plot developments. The high point, for me, is just watching Kim Dickens prance around in her tight chef whites. For an older broad, she is dead sexy.

/ so tired of the Deadwood comments. Guess what ? Lots of great shows get cancelled before they hit their stride. HBO admitted it should have given Rome (and to some extent Deadwood) more time. Since that time, every show they greenlight they give 2 seasons to start - allowing it to build an audience and improve. Instead of biatching about one or two miscues, lets give them credit for pioneering the development of "adult drama" and leveraging the idea of high quality, unique, often intelligent content as a draw to subscriptions or later DVD sales.
 
2012-09-23 12:40:54 PM  
But that means they're not gonna get up to 2009 and the SB win...waaaah.
 
2012-09-23 12:42:27 PM  

secularsage: I haven't sat down to watch Treme yet, but since I've become a fan of Simon after The Corner and The Wire, I'm sure I'll find it enjoyable since it's sure to feature a complex cast of characters in a vibrant and realistic setting with arcs that span entire seasons.

With that said, the reason I haven't watched Treme yet is because the subject matter doesn't seem interesting to me and I'm catching up on a backlog of other shows - including Boardwalk Empire and Games of Thrones - before I get to Treme.

So, hopefully by the time I watch Treme (at which point I'll probably be kicking myself for not getting into the show earlier, like I did with The Wire), David Simon will have moved on to a new project and it'll be something that grabs my attention. Or, more likely, it'll be something I fail to watch until it's almost off the air.



I will say this, since I'm biased.  It may be hard to grasp if you don't live in New Orleans post-Katrina.  I don't mean that as an insult to any non-New Orlenians.  He stayed so true to the culture and actual events (without adequite explaination), that he may have put it out of reach for non-New Orlenians.
 
He features the Mardi Gras indians a lot.  Which I know a ton about.  But if I didn't I could see that being lost on me, therefore killing a plot arc.
 
Still... I think 5 seasons is what it needed.  2005-2010 is the story of post-Katrina New Orleans.
 
I mean... a TON of crap went down around ~2010 that is very important.  Danziger Bridge trial, Saints win the Super Bowl, Mitch Landrieu elected to office, lots of federal investigations of corruption.
 
Its a complete failure if he can't bring this to 2010.  Beyond 2010, that's another story and I have no problem with him stopping there.
 
2012-09-23 12:48:58 PM  
I've watched the first two seasons, and will definitely finish it out, but I don't think the show has done anything to merit more than 3.5 seasons. It just kind of meanders along. As a portrait of the characters and their city, it's been great. But I think it peaked with Goodman's exit. ....HOWEVER, small caveat, it does look like things heat up a bit in the third season, based on the previews.
 
2012-09-23 01:37:14 PM  

downstairs: secularsage: I haven't sat down to watch Treme yet, but since I've become a fan of Simon after The Corner and The Wire, I'm sure I'll find it enjoyable since it's sure to feature a complex cast of characters in a vibrant and realistic setting with arcs that span entire seasons.

With that said, the reason I haven't watched Treme yet is because the subject matter doesn't seem interesting to me and I'm catching up on a backlog of other shows - including Boardwalk Empire and Games of Thrones - before I get to Treme.

So, hopefully by the time I watch Treme (at which point I'll probably be kicking myself for not getting into the show earlier, like I did with The Wire), David Simon will have moved on to a new project and it'll be something that grabs my attention. Or, more likely, it'll be something I fail to watch until it's almost off the air.


I will say this, since I'm biased.  It may be hard to grasp if you don't live in New Orleans post-Katrina.  I don't mean that as an insult to any non-New Orlenians.  He stayed so true to the culture and actual events (without adequite explaination), that he may have put it out of reach for non-New Orlenians.
 
He features the Mardi Gras indians a lot.  Which I know a ton about.  But if I didn't I could see that being lost on me, therefore killing a plot arc.
 
Still... I think 5 seasons is what it needed.  2005-2010 is the story of post-Katrina New Orleans.
 
I mean... a TON of crap went down around ~2010 that is very important.  Danziger Bridge trial, Saints win the Super Bowl, Mitch Landrieu elected to office, lots of federal investigations of corruption.
 
Its a complete failure if he can't bring this to 2010.  Beyond 2010, that's another story and I have no problem with him stopping there.


Agreed. 2010 seems to be when we finally settled into our normal groove. Real estate prices dropped, the "fuel adjustment" charges on Entergy bills were no longer higher than the actual kilowatt use, and most people had worked out their demons (though mine and others' will rattle in the back of our skulls for life).

I can see why Treme is boring for most folks. It's a very esoteric show, with an agonizing attention to detail that I admire. But I'm obviously biased. A similar show based in, I dunno, San Francisco following an earthquake would still be watchable for me, but I wouldn't obsess over it like I do Treme. The Wire was more universal. Even as the themes in Treme are universal, they're so hopelessly pinned to the city itself that it can be difficult for some guy in Idaho to understand.
 
2012-09-23 01:54:04 PM  
Treme insists upon itself.
 
2012-09-23 04:55:06 PM  

The_Sponge: Treme insists upon itself.


New Orleans has always insisted upon itself.
 
2012-09-23 04:56:24 PM  

downstairs: stringtheory3: How is that screwing Simon? This is good news. 4 seasons with an opportunity to complete the story. I think most shows would love to have that.


It doesn't complete the story, though.  He's going year by year, and he absolutely needed to include the Saints Super Bowl victory.  Which by my count... unless he speeds things up... he can't.  Without that, you're not telling the story of New Orleans post-Katrina.  Say whatever you want about the importance of sports, that was the single event that told everyone down here that the post-Katrina days were over.
 
Of course, the idiot skipped over the first game in the Superdome in Season Two... which had a play that was so important to the city we just erected a statue to it.


Outsiders don't get the importance of the Saints for New Orleanians. It's not just a football team. Interestingly enough, it was one of the first teams to demand their stadium be racially integrated under Jim Crow.
 
2012-09-23 10:52:04 PM  
I tried to like this show, I really did, but it's just not that good. Should have keep Deadwood damn you HBO.
 
2012-09-24 12:20:24 AM  
I like that the idea of treme is to succeed in New Orleans you have to get the fark out. I grew up there, I did the same.

Miss the food and jazz. Not much else

/ whiny farkers, you don't hear anyone in bay st louis whining
/ wait did anyone there survive?
 
2012-09-24 12:32:14 AM  
I gave it 6 episodes because of the wire but I found it so slow and boring that I gave up on it
 
2012-09-24 12:50:41 AM  

coco ebert: Outsiders don't get the importance of the Saints for New Orleanians.


I've been damn near everywhere, and I'm telling you - no city and team has the symbiotic relationship of NO/Saints. We're in dire straights now but even the dogs in the neighborhood have Saints collars. Last week I moved to the Irish Channel (off Mag and Fourth) and every dog has some sort of Saints gear on.

We're passionate about our recently sh*tty team. We stand by them, always.
 
2012-09-24 01:02:19 AM  

CodeMonkey4Life: I gave it 6 episodes because of the wire but I found it so slow and boring that I gave up on it


This was a flaw. Simon and Co. made such an effort to make New Orleans realistic that it was kinda boring to the average viewer. The reasons I think Treme is brilliant may be the reasons you found it a bit slow.

To put it another way, it's like watching Smokey and the Bandit when you happened to own a Trans-Am at the time.
 
2012-09-24 10:57:11 AM  

dickfreckle: coco ebert: Outsiders don't get the importance of the Saints for New Orleanians.

I've been damn near everywhere, and I'm telling you - no city and team has the symbiotic relationship of NO/Saints. We're in dire straights now but even the dogs in the neighborhood have Saints collars. Last week I moved to the Irish Channel (off Mag and Fourth) and every dog has some sort of Saints gear on.

We're passionate about our recently sh*tty team. We stand by them, always.


How's the Irish Channel? I like that neighborhood.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:33 AM  

coco ebert: dickfreckle: coco ebert: Outsiders don't get the importance of the Saints for New Orleanians.

I've been damn near everywhere, and I'm telling you - no city and team has the symbiotic relationship of NO/Saints. We're in dire straights now but even the dogs in the neighborhood have Saints collars. Last week I moved to the Irish Channel (off Mag and Fourth) and every dog has some sort of Saints gear on.

We're passionate about our recently sh*tty team. We stand by them, always.

How's the Irish Channel? I like that neighborhood.


It's been fantastic so far. I live equidistant from Parasol's and Tracey's (Tracey's for football and a cheap meal, Parasol's for when it's time to get serious about my drinking). By day three I was already on a first-name basis with all my neighbors...on the entire block. About two blocks down from me (toward the river), a long line of stoops and porches is invariably populated by the sweetest and funniest elderly black ladies you can imagine. Two blocks away from the river (across Mag, technically the Garden District) is populated by the upper crust who seem to forget they live in New Orleans, and are about as friendly. Guess where I like to go for walks in the evening?
 
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