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(Daily Mail)   Not news: Passenger loses iPad on Horizon Air flight. News: Uses app to track it. FARK: To flight attendant's house   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 63
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2012-09-23 12:11:41 AM
FTFA: She said she never used the iPad and planned to turn it over to airline officials, but placed it in a personal bag and soon forgot about it.

Police say they found some of her personal information on it, however, including a reminder for her husband's upcoming birthday.



That iPad must have the new "Absorb Information by Osmosis" app installed.
 
2012-09-23 12:17:44 AM
Dear Diary: Jackpot!

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2012-09-23 12:39:54 AM
what a piece of sh*t
 
2012-09-23 01:22:22 AM
Well, I can see how she was foiled. It takes like Mission: Impossible level genius to defeat "Find my iPad."

/I mean Tom Cruise.
 
2012-09-23 02:37:30 AM
She said she never used the iPad and planned to turn it over to airline officials, but placed it in a personal bag and soon forgot about it.
Police say they found some of her personal information on it, however, including a reminder for her husband's upcoming birthday.


People... by the time the cops show up at your house, they already know you did it, and then gladly give you enough rope to hang yourself with.
 
2012-09-23 02:43:19 AM
Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.
 
2012-09-23 02:51:22 AM
Dumb biatch.
 
2012-09-23 02:58:46 AM
My complaint with most device location programs is that they usually have an icon in your app list. And they're obvious things like "Where's My iPhone/Droid/phone" or "Location Tracker".

Any thief worth their salt will remove such apps or just wipe the device before they bring them home.
 
2012-09-23 03:01:12 AM
All this over an iPad?

Just turn it in to the airline's lost and found or dump it in the trash.
 
2012-09-23 03:30:06 AM

JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.


Um, when you can pretty much tell them where it is.
 
2012-09-23 03:47:37 AM
I had a digital camera stolen by either the flight crew or cleaning crew back when digital cameras were new and even the most basic snapshot cameras cost hundreds of dollars. Stolen from first class, even. I'd dug the extended battery for my Libretto out of my bag (because, despite being in first class, there was no power port available) and left a couple items under the seat next to the bag. One of them was my brand new digital camera. "I'm sorry, sir, nobody reported finding any items on that flight." They must have figured I was rich and could just buy another one with the change under the floor mat of my Bentley. In reality, I'd been bumped to first class due to overselling and it took me months to save up enough money to replace it. :P

chewielouie: JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.

Um, when you can pretty much tell them where it is.


I guess you missed the part where they don't care. Most of the time, you could say, "It's right there. That guy is using it right now. You could taze him from here." The cops won't even turn their heads to look, let alone help you recover your property.
 
2012-09-23 03:56:40 AM

JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.


What else is there to do in Clackamas County?
 
2012-09-23 04:18:39 AM

Dinjiin: My complaint with most device location programs is that they usually have an icon in your app list. And they're obvious things like "Where's My iPhone/Droid/phone" or "Location Tracker".

Any thief worth their salt will remove such apps or just wipe the device before they bring them home.


The iOS version is an app that lets you locate iDevices on a map and do something about it, it isn't needed on any device to be located though - it's a simple setting that you toggle to allow for being located. That toggle could be easily flipped by a thief or as you say just wipe the device first, but I think you're giving thieves too much credit. Especially a flight attendant who finds the time to add her husband as a contact.
 
2012-09-23 04:19:33 AM

propasaurus: JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.

What else is there to do in Clackamas County?

judging from that photo, drink.
 
2012-09-23 04:20:06 AM
Im with the flight attendant on this one. He left it so finders keepers. If I lose my wallet its my own damn fault. Ill go after anyone who uses my credit cards (that's identity theft) but the cash in it is fair game. I don't see how this is a crime. If the self important douche on his iPad cant put down his $10 nonfat low carb latte long enough to make sure hes not leaving behind his $500 toy behind its his own fault. Protip: If i cant afford to replace something, DON'T FORGET IT. I don't own an iPad (proud to have never own any overpriced underpowered apple products that are more about status symbols than actual functionality.) but i do own a Caanoo and I don't want to lose so if its not in my hands, its in its case in my backpack. This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.
 
2012-09-23 04:26:27 AM

Relatively Obscure: Well, I can see how she was foiled. It takes like Mission: Impossible level genius to defeat "Find my iPad."


Any links to that? Not that I'm interested in stealing iPads(really, tablets do nothing for me), I'm just curious about manufacturer security claims.
 
2012-09-23 04:54:37 AM

JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.


So basically you are taking the opportunity to bash cops, even when they clearly did everything correct and aren't even the focus of the story? Are you so afraid of your narrative being proved wrong?
 
2012-09-23 06:12:46 AM

dwade: Im with the flight attendant on this one. He left it so finders keepers. If I lose my wallet its my own damn fault. Ill go after anyone who uses my credit cards (that's identity theft) but the cash in it is fair game. I don't see how this is a crime. If the self important douche on his iPad cant put down his $10 nonfat low carb latte long enough to make sure hes not leaving behind his $500 toy behind its his own fault. Protip: If i cant afford to replace something, DON'T FORGET IT. I don't own an iPad (proud to have never own any overpriced underpowered apple products that are more about status symbols than actual functionality.) but i do own a Caanoo and I don't want to lose so if its not in my hands, its in its case in my backpack. This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.


Thing is, finder's keepers is generally against the law. Leaving something unattended does not make it open season on that thing. If I leave $10,000 in cash strewn around a bus stop and people take it without an invitation, they are guilty of theft. Sure, the cops aren't going to do more than take the report because good luck tracking it, but it is still illegal to take it.

The places I've lived require you to turn it in for 30 days or something, or put up a legal notice for 30 days before you can claim it for yourself. Finders keepers can get you in trouble if you "find" something that can be traced.
 
2012-09-23 06:38:21 AM

BolloxReader: dwade: Im with the flight attendant on this one. He left it so finders keepers. If I lose my wallet its my own damn fault. Ill go after anyone who uses my credit cards (that's identity theft) but the cash in it is fair game. I don't see how this is a crime. If the self important douche on his iPad cant put down his $10 nonfat low carb latte long enough to make sure hes not leaving behind his $500 toy behind its his own fault. Protip: If i cant afford to replace something, DON'T FORGET IT. I don't own an iPad (proud to have never own any overpriced underpowered apple products that are more about status symbols than actual functionality.) but i do own a Caanoo and I don't want to lose so if its not in my hands, its in its case in my backpack. This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.

Thing is, finder's keepers is generally against the law. Leaving something unattended does not make it open season on that thing. If I leave $10,000 in cash strewn around a bus stop and people take it without an invitation, they are guilty of theft. Sure, the cops aren't going to do more than take the report because good luck tracking it, but it is still illegal to take it.

The places I've lived require you to turn it in for 30 days or something, or put up a legal notice for 30 days before you can claim it for yourself. Finders keepers can get you in trouble if you "find" something that can be traced.


I'd have just pointed out the irony of his coming off as just as much of an arrogant ass-hat as the people he's judged simply by their choice of technology and left it at that. I sincerely doubt that the existence of laws against Finders / Keepers will change his ignorant opinion in the slightest.
 
2012-09-23 07:06:38 AM

Dinjiin: My complaint with most device location programs is that they usually have an icon in your app list. And they're obvious things like "Where's My iPhone/Droid/phone" or "Location Tracker".

Any thief worth their salt will remove such apps or just wipe the device before they bring them home.


My Windows phone doesn't have an app. It works through the OS. I can track it, lock it or erase it.
 
2012-09-23 07:37:28 AM

JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.


IANAL, but since the guy flew to LAX, and the guy tracked the ipad to the flying waitress's house in Oregon..so grand theft across state lines?
 
2012-09-23 07:47:32 AM

dwade: This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.


Her life is screwed up because she stole shiat.

And yes, finding something that belongs to someone else and keeping it is stealing. "finders keepers" stops being a valid justification once you're out of kindergarten.
 
2012-09-23 07:52:33 AM

dwade: I don't see how this is a crime


She took something. That wasn't hers. Without permission. With the intent to deprive its owner of it.

Yeah, that's theft in any jurisdiction.
 
2012-09-23 08:24:07 AM

dwade: Im with the flight attendant on this one. He left it so finders keepers. If I lose my wallet its my own damn fault. Ill go after anyone who uses my credit cards (that's identity theft) but the cash in it is fair game. I don't see how this is a crime. If the self important douche on his iPad cant put down his $10 nonfat low carb latte long enough to make sure hes not leaving behind his $500 toy behind its his own fault. Protip: If i cant afford to replace something, DON'T FORGET IT. I don't own an iPad (proud to have never own any overpriced underpowered apple products that are more about status symbols than actual functionality.) but i do own a Caanoo and I don't want to lose so if its not in my hands, its in its case in my backpack. This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.


so I guess if you left your laptop in a hotel room and an hour later when back to the hotel and don't you tough cookies our housekeeping staff found it and "Sally" gave it to her kid, you know finders keepers.

you would be okay with this and just walk away
 
2012-09-23 09:17:14 AM
I hope the guy sends her husband a birthday card.
 
2012-09-23 09:37:06 AM

"The iPad's owner said he had downloaded the anti-theft app only days before the September 11 flight to Los Angeles, and forgot about its installation until activating it on Wednesday."


I am not leaving any flight until I make sure I have everything, and how do you miss re-packing an iPad on a flight? And I'm wonder why these people who are so concerned with losing their devices don't enable the lockscreen on them? I don't have one phone or tablet without a lockscreen enabled.

 
2012-09-23 09:59:11 AM
I have that app but it constantly says my iPad is in the woods at least 200 yards behind my house. Not sure why, but is it SUPPOSED to be that inaccurate?
 
2012-09-23 11:12:47 AM

MBrady: JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.

IANAL, but since the guy flew to LAX, and the guy tracked the ipad to the flying waitress's house in Oregon..so grand theft across state lines?


She also knowingly made at least two false statements to LEOs:

--"It's not here; I know nothing about it; no such item was turned in"

--"I meant to turn it in and never used it for anything!"

I wonder how much of the $12,500 bail is based on that, and how much on the actual theft?
 
2012-09-23 11:20:57 AM

buntz: I have that app but it constantly says my iPad is in the woods at least 200 yards behind my house. Not sure why, but is it SUPPOSED to be that inaccurate?


Aaah. iCamp. At last, Apple has found a way to bring camping to the masses without the bother of leaving the house. Genius.
 
2012-09-23 12:15:52 PM

Waldo Pepper: so I guess if you left your laptop in a hotel room and an hour later when back to the hotel and don't you tough cookies our housekeeping staff found it and "Sally" gave it to her kid, you know finders keepers.

you would be okay with this and just walk away




I would never leave my laptop behind. I take personal responsible for my possessions. I'm the type of person who wears his keys around his neck so he doesn't lose them. Its called being an adult.
 
2012-09-23 01:18:22 PM
dwade:

Where did you leave your car? Is it on your driveway? Finders keepers.

Wow, could you be any more of a dumbass? Please reply and let us know, farking minds want to know.
 
2012-09-23 01:39:05 PM
You didn't buy that iPad, somebody else made that purchase.
 
2012-09-23 01:58:37 PM

dwade: Waldo Pepper: so I guess if you left your laptop in a hotel room and an hour later when back to the hotel and don't you tough cookies our housekeeping staff found it and "Sally" gave it to her kid, you know finders keepers.

you would be okay with this and just walk away



I would never leave my laptop behind. I take personal responsible for my possessions. I'm the type of person who wears his keys around his neck so he doesn't lose them. Its called being an adult.


It's called paranoia and you should probably get it checked out.
 
2012-09-23 02:07:41 PM

machodonkeywrestler: It's called paranoia and you should probably get it checked out.


That's not news. True story, I missed a delivery yesterday cause USPS knocked on my front door and I hid behind my bed for 30 minutes.
 
2012-09-23 02:15:01 PM

ideamaster: dwade:

Where did you leave your car? Is it on your driveway? Finders keepers.

Wow, could you be any more of a dumbass? Please reply and let us know, farking minds want to know.


If i leave my keys in the ignition then yes it deserves to be stolen. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
 
2012-09-23 02:21:23 PM
dwade:
you said stolen, not "finders keepers" Congrats you inadvertently proved my point.
 
2012-09-23 02:32:19 PM

JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.


Odd, I've seen the exact opposite. Tons of recovered iDevices using the "Find My iPhone" app.
 
2012-09-23 02:35:43 PM

buntz: I have that app but it constantly says my iPad is in the woods at least 200 yards behind my house. Not sure why, but is it SUPPOSED to be that inaccurate?


I presume that's a WiFi only iPad then? WiFi iPads don't have GPS, it can only track based on IP address which isn't that accurate. Cellular (3G/4G) iPads have GPS and track very accurately.
 
2012-09-23 02:40:42 PM

MarkEC: Dinjiin: My complaint with most device location programs is that they usually have an icon in your app list. And they're obvious things like "Where's My iPhone/Droid/phone" or "Location Tracker".

Any thief worth their salt will remove such apps or just wipe the device before they bring them home.

My Windows phone doesn't have an app. It works through the OS. I can track it, lock it or erase it.


Neat, but a thief could still wipe the phone and get around that? Even without the tracking app you could still report the device stolen to Apple and they can blacklist it by IMEI/serial. You wouldn't have your phone of course, but the thief couldn't use it either. I assume you can do something similar with a Windows phone as well.
 
2012-09-23 02:56:50 PM

OriginalGamer: JonZoidberg: Since when do the cops follow up on petty thefts like this one? I've heard of many stories like this where people go to the cops with their iProduct's location only to find out that the cops don't care. Unless it's dead Steve's iProducts, of course.

Odd, I've seen the exact opposite. Tons of recovered iDevices using the "Find My iPhone" app.


I read a few stories about it, probably when the technology was new. Seems it's more accepted now.
 
2012-09-23 03:01:30 PM

jtown: I guess you missed the part where they don't care. Most of the time, you could say, "It's right there. That guy is using it right now. You could taze him from here." The cops won't even turn their heads to look, let alone help you recover your property.


Yeah. "Here's a dollar. Thanks for nothing."
 
2012-09-23 03:08:28 PM

dwade: Im with the flight attendant on this one. He left it so finders keepers. If I lose my wallet its my own damn fault. Ill go after anyone who uses my credit cards (that's identity theft) but the cash in it is fair game. I don't see how this is a crime. If the self important douche on his iPad cant put down his $10 nonfat low carb latte long enough to make sure hes not leaving behind his $500 toy behind its his own fault. Protip: If i cant afford to replace something, DON'T FORGET IT. I don't own an iPad (proud to have never own any overpriced underpowered apple products that are more about status symbols than actual functionality.) but i do own a Caanoo and I don't want to lose so if its not in my hands, its in its case in my backpack. This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.


Man, you Windows fanboys sure are angry all the time.
 
2012-09-23 03:22:16 PM
The most entertaining part of this story was watching the woman walk backwards. My sister used to do this all the time - caught red-handed, she'd keep casting her line in a desperate attempt to find a lie that stuck.

"I didn't know an iPad was missing."
"I did know it was missing but I don't have it."
"I do have it but I was going to turn it in."
"I forgot to turn it in but I haven't used it."
"...How did my personal information get on there?"

When my sister was a kid, she literally got caught with her hand stuck in the jar where I kept my spare change and loose bills. Like, my mother looked at her and there she was trying to get her hand out of the jar with a tenner clenched in it. I already know what the look on her face was when she realized that there was no bluff that would get her out of this one; I've seen it many times myself. But that didn't stop her from taking a swing at it:

"I actually stole the money yesterday for something really important and then I felt really really guilty about it so now I'm trying to put it back!"

If experience is any indication, Flight Attendant Lady has had years of practice in that sort of thing.
 
2012-09-23 03:34:06 PM

propasaurus: Man, you Windows fanboys sure are angry all the time.


Nope hate M$ too. Just had my third 360 brick on me about 2 weeks ago.
 
2012-09-23 04:09:31 PM

OriginalGamer: Neat, but a thief could still wipe the phone and get around that? Even without the tracking app you could still report the device stolen to Apple and they can blacklist it by IMEI/serial.


Yeah, they could wipe the phone.

I'm curious who is responsible for issuing a stolen item blacklist, and how far does it go? It would suck if my AT&T smartphone was stolen, only for somebody to jail break it and remove the carrier lock, then waltz over to T-Mobile. If the carriers share blacklists domestically, then I just sell it to some dude across the border as a Rogers phone.

And blacklists don't mean as much for tablets since people tend to use the WiFi more than the cellular radio. And you can always enable the hotspot mode on your smartphone and share it with your tablet.
 
2012-09-23 04:24:01 PM

Dinjiin: OriginalGamer: Neat, but a thief could still wipe the phone and get around that? Even without the tracking app you could still report the device stolen to Apple and they can blacklist it by IMEI/serial.

Yeah, they could wipe the phone.

I'm curious who is responsible for issuing a stolen item blacklist, and how far does it go? It would suck if my AT&T smartphone was stolen, only for somebody to jail break it and remove the carrier lock, then waltz over to T-Mobile. If the carriers share blacklists domestically, then I just sell it to some dude across the border as a Rogers phone.

And blacklists don't mean as much for tablets since people tend to use the WiFi more than the cellular radio. And you can always enable the hotspot mode on your smartphone and share it with your tablet.


If Apple really wanted to, they could flag the serial for anything reported stolen, and when said device popped up trying to connect to the App Store or something, they could trace it.

And it doesn't need to be a 3G version for the GPS to work, the standard Wifi versions have working GPS on it, you can pinpoint your ipad without it.
 
2012-09-23 04:35:11 PM

dwade: Waldo Pepper: so I guess if you left your laptop in a hotel room and an hour later when back to the hotel and don't you tough cookies our housekeeping staff found it and "Sally" gave it to her kid, you know finders keepers.

you would be okay with this and just walk away



I would never leave my laptop behind. I take personal responsible for my possessions. I'm the type of person who wears his keys around his neck so he doesn't lose them. Its called being an adult.


Now if only could take such "personal responsible" for your grammar, Mr. Perfect.
 
2012-09-23 04:48:09 PM

KellyX: And it doesn't need to be a 3G version for the GPS to work, the standard Wifi versions have working GPS on it, you can pinpoint your ipad without it.


That's if the Apple Store transmits the device serial. Same deal for the Google Play store. They may track based on some other identifier, such as email address.
 
2012-09-23 04:55:45 PM
FTFA: She said she never used the iPad and planned to turn it over to airline officials, but placed it in a personal bag and soon forgot about it.

Police say they found some of her personal information on it, however, including a reminder for her husband's upcoming birthday.


"How did Encyclopedia know the flight attendant was lying?"

/Turn to page 47 for the solution
 
2012-09-23 04:56:10 PM

dwade: Im with the flight attendant on this one. He left it so finders keepers. If I lose my wallet its my own damn fault. Ill go after anyone who uses my credit cards (that's identity theft) but the cash in it is fair game. I don't see how this is a crime. If the self important douche on his iPad cant put down his $10 nonfat low carb latte long enough to make sure hes not leaving behind his $500 toy behind its his own fault. Protip: If i cant afford to replace something, DON'T FORGET IT. I don't own an iPad (proud to have never own any overpriced underpowered apple products that are more about status symbols than actual functionality.) but i do own a Caanoo and I don't want to lose so if its not in my hands, its in its case in my backpack. This woman's life is screwed up just because this self entitled idiots thinks his $500 toy is more important than a woman's freedom.


She didn't find it, dipshiat, she stole it from the airline's lost-and-found which she was professionally responsible for.
 
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