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2012-09-22 07:50:21 PM  
While living in a fantasy land that is utterly disconnected from any semblance of reality, and an inability to apply rational thinking to any situation, is what ails liberals in general.
 
2012-09-22 07:57:33 PM  

LordZorch: While living in a fantasy land that is utterly disconnected from any semblance of reality, and an inability to apply rational thinking to any situation, is what ails liberals in general.


Let's just put aside the "No U!" for one moment... what about the author's premise do you disagree with?
 
2012-09-22 08:11:10 PM  

Im_Gumby: LordZorch: While living in a fantasy land that is utterly disconnected from any semblance of reality, and an inability to apply rational thinking to any situation, is what ails liberals in general.

Let's just put aside the "No U!" for one moment... what about the author's premise do you disagree with?


You don't understand - he just proved the article's point.
 
2012-09-22 08:47:47 PM  
The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement
 
2012-09-22 09:16:43 PM  
Horrifying, yet occasionally useful quote from TFA: "When we act, we create our own reality," he said. "And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

I've been saying the same thing in much simpler terms for decades: "You can't have a reasoned argument with people who just make sh*t up".
 
2012-09-22 09:17:45 PM  

cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement


Examples, please.
 
2012-09-22 09:19:05 PM  

cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement


It's what ails our entire nation, and will eventually kill it unless we emphasize critical thinking for every single citizen, especially the kids. Is it the right or the left that most impedes that road to recovery?
 
2012-09-22 09:20:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.


Perfect example
 
2012-09-22 09:21:05 PM  
Was the obvious tag on holiday ?
 
2012-09-22 09:25:01 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example


Please explain how that demonstrates an inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic? He seemed to make a pretty logical argument. Or were you confused by the word "subtle"?
 
2012-09-22 09:25:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.


I, too would like to see some information to back this up. I know some liberals have blind spots when it comes to fracking and nuclear power, but it's nothing on the level of the Birthers, AGW deniers and the "feminists are making my penis smaller" folks.
 
2012-09-22 09:27:39 PM  
Obvious tag must be out on the town.
 
2012-09-22 09:28:15 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example


Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.
 
2012-09-22 09:29:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Please explain how that demonstrates an inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic? He seemed to make a pretty logical argument. Or were you confused by the word "subtle"?


Because of the simple fact that Liberals want to see racism in everything the GOP does, so they will see it in everything they do. There is not even a hint of subtle racism in that commercial. To think such is to blind yourself like these conservatives blind themselves between reality and fantasy.
 
2012-09-22 09:29:20 PM  
Point:B-B-B- But the invisible sky wizard says it was written the the prophesy shall make unto to you the living son of man and the messiah/prophet/dudething shall tell you how it's gonna bee and you have no say in the matter therefore it shall be and LALALALALALA I can't hear you, Logic and facts don't matter.
Plus, girls are ikky.

Counterpoint: Mohammed/Jesus/Moses/.Allah/God/yawaeh/ etc, You ignorant slut.


'Bout cover it?
 
2012-09-22 09:31:01 PM  

cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement


Give us some examples.
 
2012-09-22 09:32:12 PM  

fusillade762: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.


Do you want me to link to the huge "Permanent Solution = Romney a Nazi" thread?
 
2012-09-22 09:34:02 PM  
You know, there's almost no point in saying anything on this article. The standard GOP defense is already in here, utter denial and reflecting the same points back onto the Democrats, along with wholesale refusal of any specifics. It's the same as any other thread, completely proving the author's point, but doing nothing to change anything. They don't care that they're proving the author's point, they don't know how to think any other way. How exactly are we supposed to get anywhere in a country with an "opposition" like this?
 
2012-09-22 09:34:29 PM  
That's a good start. I would also say that what ails conservatives is the general mindset of "fark you, I got mine and no one else helped me along the way"
 
2012-09-22 09:35:16 PM  

cman: fusillade762: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.

Do you want me to link to the huge "Permanent Solution = Romney a Nazi" thread?


No, I want you to find actual politicians on the left making crazy ass statements. I'll give you two right wing ones just off the top of my head:

Steve "Dogfighting is fine because we allow humans to box" King.
Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin.

Find me anything even close to that on the left.
 
2012-09-22 09:35:39 PM  
Well this is nothing but a troll thread. They've got you guys, you know.
 
2012-09-22 09:39:03 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Please explain how that demonstrates an inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic? He seemed to make a pretty logical argument. Or were you confused by the word "subtle"?

Because of the simple fact that Liberals want to see racism in everything the GOP does, so they will see it in everything they do. There is not even a hint of subtle racism in that commercial. To think such is to blind yourself like these conservatives blind themselves between reality and fantasy.


Delving into a world of seeing and reading what you want into otherwise simple statements isn't a world that conservatives want to venture into. See "you didn't build that" or "you cling to guns" or "typical white woman".
 
2012-09-22 09:41:51 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example


Call us when the Dems have half the problems the GOP have right now. Start with the utter lack of strong, coherent, self-controlled leadership.
 
2012-09-22 09:43:55 PM  

GAT_00: You know, there's almost no point in saying anything on this article. The standard GOP defense is already in here, utter denial and reflecting the same points back onto the Democrats, along with wholesale refusal of any specifics. It's the same as any other thread, completely proving the author's point, but doing nothing to change anything. They don't care that they're proving the author's point, they don't know how to think any other way. How exactly are we supposed to get anywhere in a country with an "opposition" like this?


Conservatives and liberals really do have differing cognitive processes.

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2012-09-22 09:45:32 PM  

fusillade762: cman: fusillade762: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.

Do you want me to link to the huge "Permanent Solution = Romney a Nazi" thread?

No, I want you to find actual politicians on the left making crazy ass statements. I'll give you two right wing ones just off the top of my head:

Steve "Dogfighting is fine because we allow humans to box" King.
Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin.

Find me anything even close to that on the left.


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2
 
2012-09-22 09:49:37 PM  

cman: fusillade762: cman: fusillade762: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.

Do you want me to link to the huge "Permanent Solution = Romney a Nazi" thread?

No, I want you to find actual politicians on the left making crazy ass statements. I'll give you two right wing ones just off the top of my head:

Steve "Dogfighting is fine because we allow humans to box" King.
Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin.

Find me anything even close to that on the left.

1

2


Whoops. Wrong link used for 1. Link
 
2012-09-22 09:54:38 PM  

cman: cman: fusillade762: cman: fusillade762: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.

Do you want me to link to the huge "Permanent Solution = Romney a Nazi" thread?

No, I want you to find actual politicians on the left making crazy ass statements. I'll give you two right wing ones just off the top of my head:

Steve "Dogfighting is fine because we allow humans to box" King.
Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin.

Find me anything even close to that on the left.

1

2

Whoops. Wrong link used for 1. Link


How could I have forgotten about this, too?
 
2012-09-22 09:54:40 PM  

cman: fusillade762: cman: fusillade762: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Ah yes, prominent Democratic politician Bill Maher is a perfect example.

Do you want me to link to the huge "Permanent Solution = Romney a Nazi" thread?

No, I want you to find actual politicians on the left making crazy ass statements. I'll give you two right wing ones just off the top of my head:

Steve "Dogfighting is fine because we allow humans to box" King.
Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin.

Find me anything even close to that on the left.

1

2


1) So Pelosi says Romney knew he was going to get booed at the NAACP? That's all you got? And Lawrence O'Donnel doesn't count as a politician.

2) Harry Alford isn't a Democratic politician, that I know of. The fact that he heads a Chamber of Commerce offshoot should be proof of that.

C'mon, cman, you're not normally this obtuse.
 
2012-09-22 09:55:50 PM  

cman: Because of the simple fact that Liberals want to see racism in everything the GOP does,


That's not a "simple fact," that's a gross generalization.
 
2012-09-22 09:56:42 PM  
I will note that neither of your examples are from elected officials.
 
2012-09-22 10:00:30 PM  
Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.
 
2012-09-22 10:03:07 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Please explain how that demonstrates an inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic? He seemed to make a pretty logical argument. Or were you confused by the word "subtle"?

Because of the simple fact that Liberals want to see racism in everything the GOP does, so they will see it in everything they do. There is not even a hint of subtle racism in that commercial. To think such is to blind yourself like these conservatives blind themselves between reality and fantasy.


I haven't seen the commercial, but I have done a lot of research on the impact of race on the realignment of the two parties in the 20th century; I don't see racism in everything the GOP does, but you'd have to blind to ignore the way they exploited racial tension in the South to win over white Democrats who were unhappy with the way the Democratic leadership was handling the civil rights issue.
 
2012-09-22 10:07:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.


That's RACIST!
 
2012-09-22 10:07:11 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.


He should google "longest filibuster in history" and "civil rights act."
 
2012-09-22 10:09:39 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.


Yes, because the Democratic party of today represents the Democratic party of yesterday.

HighOnCraic: hillbillypharmacist: Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.

He should google "longest filibuster in history" and "civil rights act."


As previously mentioned, in todays political environment, it would be unlikely that the politicians in question would have been Democrats
 
2012-09-22 10:12:02 PM  

HighOnCraic: hillbillypharmacist: Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.

He should google "longest filibuster in history" and "civil rights act."


Even one of the most regarded Republican, or at least until 2008, was John McCain, and he fought MLK Day longer than anyone else. The GOP has almost uniformly embraced racism, at least passively, for their own benefit.
 
2012-09-22 10:14:48 PM  

BravadoGT: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

That's RACIST!


Already been tried and shot down. Try something new.
 
2012-09-22 10:21:44 PM  

cman: hillbillypharmacist: Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.

Yes, because the Democratic party of today represents the Democratic party of yesterday.

HighOnCraic: hillbillypharmacist: Cman, you might could get a technical win by finding quotes from conservative southern democrats, especially from 40 or so years ago.

I'm just trying to help you out.

He should google "longest filibuster in history" and "civil rights act."

As previously mentioned, in todays political environment, it would be unlikely that the politicians in question would have been Democrats


So, you do understand why people are often suspicious of Republicans of today, based on how they built their party, right?

"From Day One, Nixon and I talked about creating a new majority," Buchanan told me recently, sitting in the library of his Greek-revival house in McLean, Virginia, on a secluded lane bordering the fenced grounds of the Central Intelligence Agency. "What we talked about, basically, was shearing off huge segments of F.D.R.'s New Deal coalition, which L.B.J. had held together: Northern Catholic ethnics and Southern Protestant conservatives-what we called the Daley-Rizzo Democrats in the North and, frankly, the Wallace Democrats in the South." Buchanan grew up in Washington, D.C., among the first group-men like his father, an accountant and a father of nine, who had supported Roosevelt but also revered Joseph McCarthy. The Southerners were the kind of men whom Nixon whipped into a frenzy one night in the fall of 1966, at the Wade Hampton Hotel, in Columbia, South Carolina. Nixon, who was then a partner in a New York law firm, had travelled there with Buchanan on behalf of Republican congressional candidates. Buchanan recalls that the room was full of sweat, cigar smoke, and rage; the rhetoric, which was about patriotism and law and order, "burned the paint off the walls." As they left the hotel, Nixon said, "This is the future of this Party, right here in the South."

Buchanan gave me a copy of a seven-page confidential memorandum-"A little raw for today," he warned-that he had written for Nixon in 1971, under the heading "Dividing the Democrats." Drawn up with an acute understanding of the fragilties and fault lines in "the Old Roosevelt Coalition," it recommended that the White House "exacerbate the ideological division" between the Old and New Left by praising Democrats who supported any of Nixon's policies; highlight "the elitism and quasi-anti-Americanism of the National Democratic Party"; nominate for the Supreme Court a Southern strict constructionist who would divide Democrats regionally; use abortion and parochial-school aid to deepen the split between Catholics and social liberals; elicit white working-class support with tax relief and denunciations of welfare. Finally, the memo recommended exploiting racial tensions among Democrats. "Bumper stickers calling for black Presidential and especially Vice-Presidential candidates should be spread out in the ghettos of the country," Buchanan wrote. "We should do what is within our power to have a black nominated for Number Two, at least at the Democratic National Convention." Such gambits, he added, could "cut the Democratic Party and country in half; my view is that we would have far the larger half."
 
2012-09-22 10:24:17 PM  
OK, cman, you've come up with a couple weak examples and one non-example. My turn.


"There's a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine."

- Michelle Bachmann



'The planet won't be destroyed by global warming because God promised Noah,' says politician bidding to chair U.S. energy committee

- John Shimkus



"I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution. The State Board of Education has been charged with the task of adopting curriculum requirements for Texas public schools and recently adopted guidelines that call for the examination of all sides of a scientific theory, which will encourage critical thinking in our students, an essential learning skill."

- Rick Perry
 


"When the legislation that passed in the farm bill that says that it's a federal crime to watch animals fight or to induce someone else to watch an animal fight but it's not a federal crime to induce somebody to watch people fighting, there's something wrong with the priorities of people that think like that."

- Steve King



"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."

- Former Gov. Sarah Palin
 


"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

- Rick Santorum



"Give the park police more ammo."

- Newt Gingrich, responding to a reporter who asked what to do about the homeless a few days after the police shot a homeless man in front of the White House.
 
2012-09-22 10:42:00 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

Examples, please.

Perfect example

Please explain how that demonstrates an inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic? He seemed to make a pretty logical argument. Or were you confused by the word "subtle"?

Because of the simple fact that Liberals want to see racism in everything the GOP does, so they will see it in everything they do. There is not even a hint of subtle racism in that commercial. To think such is to blind yourself like these conservatives blind themselves between reality and fantasy.


When talking about the disconnect from reality among political parties, why would you start with the one of the largest and most glaring disconnects in modern politics? Would could be more of a fantasy than the idea, which Republicans continuously spread, that civil rights pioneers like A. Philip Randolph, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Jackie Robinson were Republicans?

Link

Randolph was a member of the Socialist Party of America, and King associated with lots of Socialists (including Randolph, who organized the March on Washington). Robinson started off campaigning for Nelson Rockefeller in the '64 primaries, but openly supported LBJ in the general election.

This is an issue where the GOP is undeniably trying to alter history to make themselves look good.
 
2012-09-22 10:42:58 PM  
Wasn't this already greened earlier?
 
2012-09-22 10:52:01 PM  

This About That: cman: The inability to judge arguments on their merits and separate emotion from logic is what ails the Liberal movement

It's what ails our entire nation, and will eventually kill it unless we emphasize critical thinking for every single citizen, especially the kids. Is it the right or the left that most impedes that road to recovery?


Well, since the Republicans in Texas wanted to exclude critical thinking from the state's teaching standards...
 
2012-09-22 10:58:22 PM  
The List of Conspirators

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefor, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
Reality
Standard and Poor's
Warren Buffet
Lightbulbs

You have to admit, it's difficult to be rational when you're faced with THIS level of opposition.
 
2012-09-22 11:07:32 PM  

fusillade762: OK, cman, you've come up with a couple weak examples and one non-example. My turn.


"There's a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine."

- Michelle Bachmann


'The planet won't be destroyed by global warming because God promised Noah,' says politician bidding to chair U.S. energy committee

- John Shimkus


"I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution. The State Board of Education has been charged with the task of adopting curriculum requirements for Texas public schools and recently adopted guidelines that call for the examination of all sides of a scientific theory, which will encourage critical thinking in our students, an essential learning skill."

- Rick Perry 


"When the legislation that passed in the farm bill that says that it's a federal crime to watch animals fight or to induce someone else to watch an animal fight but it's not a federal crime to induce somebody to watch people fighting, there's something wrong with the priorities of people that think like that."

- Steve King


"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."

- Former Gov. Sarah Palin 


"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

- Rick Santorum


"Give the park police more ammo."

- Newt Gingrich, re ...


You have a good selection of quotes. I guess I have met my match.
 
2012-09-22 11:17:16 PM  
"If we approach this complicated bioethic issue with our heads in the sand, the other end is in the air. American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains. So they're already into this experiment."

--Christine O'Donnell
 
2012-09-22 11:25:44 PM  
Admitting that they're wrong means they're "weak", which is why they're going to move further and further rightward.
 
2012-09-22 11:43:47 PM  

cman: You have a good selection of quotes. I guess I have met my match.


Wow... can't say I was expecting that response.

Unless you're just being sarcastic. I have trouble telling anymore.
 
2012-09-22 11:47:18 PM  

fusillade762: cman: You have a good selection of quotes. I guess I have met my match.

Wow... can't say I was expecting that response.

Unless you're just being sarcastic. I have trouble telling anymore.


When I have been bested I admit it.

I can be a moron at times. I guess my best quality is that I am not blind to see that.
 
2012-09-23 12:16:10 AM  
Hey. You cam be saved.
Just sign on this dotted line. and it's a TRAP!
It's a Chick Track Trap.
You're screwed into eternal; damnation.

Fire and Brimstone and mortal damnation.

did i mention there would be pie?
 
2012-09-23 12:20:04 AM  

LordZorch: Because independents that point and laugh at both extremes are "conservative"...


First, two-thirds of "independents", aren't. Linky.

Second, there's two dimensions that yield conservatism (Linky), even if libertarianism is only a high for one of the two.
 
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