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(CBS Pittsburgh)   US Postal Service has a foolproof plan to avoid bankruptcy by alienating every single one of their customers   (pittsburgh.cbslocal.com) divider line 53
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2012-09-22 03:06:33 PM
A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

"almost all of the postal service's losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.
At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to "prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span" - meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn't even hired yet, something "that no other government or private corporation is required to do."
As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today
 
2012-09-22 03:12:13 PM
The postal service delivers something other than junk mail?

This is new...
 
2012-09-22 03:15:24 PM
"About 60 percent of Americans will act upon a hard copy piece of mail," he said.

Yeah, like "throw it away."

I wonder if the Direct Marketing Association would be interested in buying the USPS?
 
2012-09-22 03:19:45 PM
Bastard mailman, he will make sure the junk mail is in my mailbox before he'll try to fit my Netflix DVDs in my box. And he used to break some of the disks if he could fit them in the mailbox, or else he would place them on a shelf where anyone could take them.
 
2012-09-22 03:23:05 PM
FTFA: "About 60 percent of Americans will act upon a hard copy piece of mail," he said."

i86.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-22 03:29:30 PM
Close 'em down. Outside of overpaid postal workers and old people that refuse to change, not one shiat will be given by anyone.
 
2012-09-22 03:32:44 PM

skinink: Bastard mailman, he will make sure the junk mail is in my mailbox before he'll try to fit my Netflix DVDs in my box. And he used to break some of the disks if he could fit them in the mailbox, or else he would place them on a shelf where anyone could take them.


Yes, it's your mailman's fault that your mailbox is too small.
 
2012-09-22 03:46:26 PM
At this point the postal service is primarily a system for turning trees into postal worker employees.

/But did you know you can pay a dollar to be removed from the national junk mailing list? I forget how, but I know it's possible
 
2012-09-22 03:47:31 PM

enik: Close 'em down. Outside of overpaid postal workers and old people that refuse to change, not one shiat will be given by anyone.


Except for Amazon and their rural custumers.
 
2012-09-22 03:47:33 PM

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: At this point the postal service is primarily a system for turning trees into postal worker employees.


And the one time I decide to add instead of preview, I forget an entire word: supposed to be "turning trees into postal workers' pensions."
 
2012-09-22 03:48:52 PM
I am plagued with a rural carrier who only delivers on days he feels like it. I go a week with nothing, then get a box full of week old bills, packages, and junk mail all at once. Have complained to the postmaster who assured me that issue was taken care of...it's still happening. Sucks to order some small gadget or book on ebay and have to offer to pay more for shipping via UPS or FedEx so that I can be sure I will actually get what I ordered on time.
 
2012-09-22 04:10:30 PM
I don't think that subby knows what a customer is.
 
2012-09-22 04:15:32 PM
Eh, it's not that hard to stop at the garbage can on the way back from the mailbox.
 
2012-09-22 04:34:28 PM
I don't mind getting junk physical mail. Every time I see it, I toss it in the recycling and think "Oh, hey! Some corporation is voluntarily paying more taxes."
 
2012-09-22 04:35:13 PM

AbsentFriends: Eh, it's not that hard to stop at the garbage can on the way back from the mailbox.


This. The blue dumpster for recycling is on my way back from the cluster box.
The PO on campus has a blue recycling bin between the boxes and the door, it is even labeled "junk mail".
Your results may vary, consult your physician to see if you're healthy enough to make a side trip to the garbage, yadda yadda.
 
2012-09-22 04:36:16 PM

skinink: Bastard mailman, he will make sure the junk mail is in my mailbox before he'll try to fit my Netflix DVDs in my box. And he used to break some of the disks if he could fit them in the mailbox, or else he would place them on a shelf where anyone could take them.


You're gonna need a bigger mailbox.
 
2012-09-22 05:02:25 PM
We need AOL to start sending more free disks. That will save the USPS
 
2012-09-22 05:10:54 PM
"Mexican War streets"?
 
2012-09-22 05:13:17 PM
well, that's good, because i've been looking to get some discount auto insurance and some little porcelain dolls that i can conveniently pay for on an installment plan, and maybe a coupon for $2 off of a $7 haircut.
 
2012-09-22 05:37:45 PM
Anyone guess who is fighting a do-not-mail registry?

/Check my mail once a week, garbage day. 95% of the mail never makes it past the bottom of my driveway.
 
2012-09-22 05:41:27 PM
Is there a way to impeach the congresscritters who came up with these mandates that caused all these problems in the first place?
 
2012-09-22 05:41:31 PM
"About 60 percent of Americans will act upon a hard copy piece of mail," he said.

Well, yeah. I need to throw the farker away so that you don't complain about my mailbox being too stuffed with junk mail for you to cram more junk mail into it.
 
2012-09-22 05:54:17 PM
All together, class:

www.optoutprescreen.com

The only junk mail I get now is campaign material before Election Day and the occasional local sales flier.
 
2012-09-22 06:08:19 PM
I open maybe 5% of the mail I get. The rest goes straight in the trash.
We need to quit subsidizing advertising for large corporations through the USPS!!!!
 
2012-09-22 06:29:44 PM
Advertising actually does work. If it is something you are interested in purchasing you will look at it
 
2012-09-22 06:31:47 PM

Betep: "Mexican War streets"?


Yeah, I thought that was strange also. Link
 
2012-09-22 07:18:59 PM

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: At this point the postal service is primarily a system for turning trees into postal worker employees.

And the one time I decide to add instead of preview, I forget an entire word: supposed to be "turning trees into postal workers' pensions."


I liked it better the other way. Like Treebeard with a mailbag.
 
2012-09-22 07:38:55 PM

stonicus: We need to quit subsidizing advertising for large corporations through the USPS!!!!


I thought it was the other way around--the companies that pay to send junk mail are subsidizing the dirt-low rates for normal letters.
 
2012-09-22 07:41:28 PM

adm_crunch: www.optoutprescreen.com


I'm not going to give some random company my SSN, birthdate and telephone number. Name and address should be enough. Thanks for the link, though.


The bigger issue with junk mail, unsolicited calls, emails, texts and faxes is that the US government considers it all free speech. The US government recognizes corporations and other organizations as people, which means that first amendment rights are extended to them. What needs to happen is that the concept of corporate personhood needs to be abolished. Then we can get some privacy laws enacted, such as opt-in advertising.

If that results in the USPS moving to a 3 day delivery schedule, then so be it.
 
2012-09-22 08:02:12 PM
if i lived in the states i would have all my bills sent electronically and probably wouldn't even look at the mail before i dumped it in the trash... i guess there's the off-chance of a long-lost lover sending a letter, but how would she have my address anyways?
 
2012-09-22 08:29:54 PM

Petey4335: enik: Close 'em down. Outside of overpaid postal workers and old people that refuse to change, not one shiat will be given by anyone.

Except for Amazon and their rural custumers.


Does Amazon send anything other than via UPS or FedEx?
 
2012-09-22 08:37:26 PM

enik: Petey4335: enik: Close 'em down. Outside of overpaid postal workers and old people that refuse to change, not one shiat will be given by anyone.

Except for Amazon and their rural custumers.

Does Amazon send anything other than via UPS or FedEx?


They will ship to a PO Box if you want it sent to one (as an example, when I lived on a remote island that didn't have UPS but did have US Mail service, everything came USPS)

Also, a lot of Fed Ex/UPS stuff is sent the last leg via the postal service in more rural areas. It's more efficient for FedEx, and the rural carrier is going out there anyway.
 
2012-09-22 08:56:59 PM
I seriously tried to get my mailman to just use my garbage can to put my mail in. That's where it goes anyway; mailbox to garbage can. I asked him to just do it. He said he couldn't...
 
2012-09-22 09:08:54 PM
home delivery 3 times a week would be fine with me.
 
2012-09-22 09:23:32 PM

proteus_b: i guess there's the off-chance of a long-lost lover sending a letter, but how would she have my address anyways?


Because she's ALREADY IN THE HOUSE!!!
 
2012-09-22 09:54:37 PM
The people being alienated are not their "customers".

As with facebook, the people you are referring to are the PRODUCT. The people paying the post office (junk mailers) are the customers in this case...
 
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2012-09-22 10:31:08 PM

Epicanis: The people being alienated are not their "customers".

As with facebook, the people you are referring to are the PRODUCT. The people paying the post office (junk mailers) are the customers in this case...


Smartest post on this topic.
 
2012-09-22 11:26:16 PM

Therion: A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

"almost all of the postal service's losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.
At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to "prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span" - meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn't even hired yet, something "that no other government or private corporation is required to do."
As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today


Done right in one. But nobody is going to read it here who passed it in the other fourty usps threads.
 
2012-09-22 11:53:54 PM
Their latest promotion is really stupid.
http://www.uncoveror.com/gopostal.htm
 
2012-09-23 12:50:14 AM

Therion: A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

"almost all of the postal service's losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.
At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to "prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span" - meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn't even hired yet, something "that no other government or private corporation is required to do."
As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today


But if the GOP doesn't manage to kill the USPS all the campaign contributions from FEDEX and UPS will be for naught!
 
2012-09-23 07:28:51 AM

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: At this point the postal service is primarily a system for turning trees into postal worker employees.

/But did you know you can pay a dollar to be removed from the national junk mailing list? I forget how, but I know it's possible


You can do it for free.

http://ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt063.shtm
 
2012-09-23 07:50:19 AM

Therion: A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

"almost all of the postal service's losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.
At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to "prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span" - meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn't even hired yet, something "that no other government or private corporation is required to do."
As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today



But how can we prove government doesn't work if we don't break it first?
 
2012-09-23 10:31:11 AM

enik: Close 'em down. Outside of overpaid postal workers and old people that refuse to change, not one shiat will be given by anyone.


And you'll be the first to biatch when you get to pay double the shipping on whatever you order, plus fuel and location surcharges imposed by UPS and FedEx. And most USPS workers, especially the carriers, aren't exactly highly paid, especially if their temps or contract.

But keep up with your RON PAUL/MITT ROMNEY LOLibertarian fantasy.
 
2012-09-23 11:41:30 AM

wichitaleaf: Advertising actually does work. If it is something you are interested in purchasing you will look at it


Advertising works because I already want to buy it? Then why bother?
 
2012-09-23 01:56:04 PM
FTA: There's been a huge recession-related decline in the volume of first class mail.

Not due to email or social media or anything? We'd all still be sending letters like crazy except for that damn recession.
 
2012-09-23 02:03:46 PM

Therion: A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

"almost all of the postal service's losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.
At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to "prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span" - meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn't even hired yet, something "that no other government or private corporation is required to do."
As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today


The USPS has lost 12 billion SO FAR in 2012. 6 billion last year. 9 billion in 2010. Their problems go way beyond the 5 billion PAEA payment.
 
2012-09-23 02:09:41 PM

whither_apophis: Therion: A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

"almost all of the postal service's losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.
At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to "prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span" - meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn't even hired yet, something "that no other government or private corporation is required to do."
As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today

But if the GOP doesn't manage to kill the USPS all the campaign contributions from FEDEX and UPS will be for naught!


The GOP?

4 sponsors: Thomas Davis [R-VA11]
Danny Davis [D-IL7]
Henry Waxman [D-CA30]
John McHugh [R-NY23]

Passed by unanimous consent in the Senate (45 Democrats at the time) and voice consent in the House (202 Democrats).

This was not a contested bill; it was a bipartisan passage.
 
2012-09-23 03:29:46 PM
I'm moving in less than two weeks, and would be more than happy to pay a fee to *not* receive any more shiat mail.
 
2012-09-24 09:36:19 AM
until I don't need a piece of mail to prove my address for car registration when I move, I need the usps. plus, they deliver every damn where.
 
2012-09-24 06:41:37 PM
Recently moved into a new apartment and the USPS charged me $35 to change the lock on the box and an additional $20 deposit for 2 keys. I was informed that i would be charged $15 per key if i did not turn them in when i move.

/willing to pay deposit to stop all the junk mail
 
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