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(Salon)   Are you a down-in-the-dumps conservative, worried that Romney is blowing his presidential chances? Blame Fox News, not Mitt   (salon.com) divider line 35
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2012-09-22 01:26:12 PM  
6 votes:
Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man. He can take responsibility for the chances that he's blown, or he can drop his ass out of the race.
2012-09-22 05:56:06 PM  
3 votes:

Satanic_Hamster:

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?



Not just a question of influence; at what point do the rich just say "given their track record, it's far more profitable for society to elect Democrats, especially from a purely fiscal prespective." And "these guys are becoming more unhinged and they're planning to collapse the entire economy AGAIN just based on their stupidity."


Why would they care what benefits the entire society? An economic collapse every 15 or 20 years means you can buy equities and assets at fire-sale prices. For them, stability is the enemy of opportunity.
2012-09-22 04:28:57 PM  
3 votes:
I like to argue as much as the next guy, but it's been four years of this shiat now, I'm not always up for drawn-out fight, so when I want to cut things short I'll usually say "Let me ask you one question: is waterboarding torture?" If the answer is no, if a lot of hemming, hawing, explaining, parsing or hair-splitting results, I interrupt and say "You support torture. You are morally corrupt and your opinion on this or indeed any subject is without value" and walk away. Amazingly effective because, like most repubs willing to support a morally indefensible position for political reasons, they know they are in the wrong and will do almost to avoid admitting it. I don't believe Obama's victory in November is a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination, but if he does win, I am looking forward so much to telling these people "You know what? You lost. The majority of the American people think you're wrong, you are wrong, so why don't you just shut the fark up?"
2012-09-22 04:12:26 PM  
3 votes:
What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.
2012-09-22 06:41:23 PM  
2 votes:

rthanu: fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.

I wonder how far they will take it. These people think that America will be doomed if Obama is at the helm for 4 more years, are fiercely patriotic, are notoriously close-minded, and there is not an insignificant amount of them. At least 10% and I'd guess up to 30% of adult Americans are really off the far right deep end.

It will be interesting.


If you want to get a good look at what Conservative voters will act like if Obama wins a second term, look no further than how Penn State fans have reacted to the whole Jerry Sandusky scandal. The large vocal minority of Penn State fans refuse to believe Joe Paterno was at all culpable for what happened; and instead circled the wagons and doubled down on the stupid comments.

They may accept the punishment for Sandusky; but refuse to see the larger institutional problems. Likewise, Republicans may accept Mitt losing the election; but will refuse to accept that their party, platform and ideology may need to change.
2012-09-22 06:21:01 PM  
2 votes:

jigger: This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


That is exactly what TFA is about. That appeals only to people who won't vote Obama if their lives depended on it. Swing voters are turned off and low information voters have no idea wtf that means.

The only way those types of things are effective are if you can cause liberals to sprain their eyes so badly that they can't vote.
2012-09-22 05:06:09 PM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Satanic_Hamster: TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?

When Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.


Not just a question of influence; at what point do the rich just say "given their track record, it's far more profitable for society to elect Democrats, especially from a purely fiscal prespective." And "these guys are becoming more unhinged and they're planning to collapse the entire economy AGAIN just based on their stupidity."
2012-09-22 05:05:33 PM  
2 votes:

lemurs: HeartBurnKid: I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.

I think it's more a matter of Republican voters not being down-in-the-dumps because they believe they're going to win, in spite of facts, polls and other evidence not being in their favor. They're upbeat because they literally can't comprehend why someone would vote for Obama, which means there's likely to be a lot of surprise and butthurt come election day.


It's called confirmation bias. The religious right is only listening to news channels and preachers who are telling them what they want to hear.

It's the same as Creationists home-schooling their kids so they don't get corrupted by talk of Evolution. These kids can't understand why anyone would 'believe' in Evo.

If they stay in that bubble, they never get a reality challenge. But for many of them, university exposes them to new views and outlooks. They get a reality check when they realize how Evo underpins most of biology.

If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.
2012-09-22 05:04:50 PM  
2 votes:

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.
2012-09-22 04:22:19 PM  
2 votes:
Blame the party for taking the easy path to short term success by sucking up to the teabagger "movement". Feeding on ignorance and hatred by running incompetent candidates who mindlessly tow party lines and spew ridiculous religious doctrine can win house races, but when there's national scrutiny and the stakes are high, suddenly people start caring that your candidate is damaged goods. The collection of retards and lunatics that made up the republican primary virtually guaranteed that 2008's leftover candidate would be the one to take the fall this time around.
2012-09-22 03:03:43 PM  
2 votes:
The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.
2012-09-22 03:03:39 PM  
2 votes:

DarwiOdrade: But seriously, is there anything Fox News can't ruin?


Orgasms. Fox News will never be able to ruin orgasms.

I'll be in my bunk bunker.
2012-09-22 11:15:25 AM  
2 votes:
...or the Republican party for allowing itself to be hijacked by the fringe lunatics.
2012-09-22 11:12:36 AM  
2 votes:
well, mitt is a terrible candidate regardless - he's inherently unlikable. but, yes, the hermetically sealed fox echo chamber is a bad place to be if you need to compete in reality. opinion is one thing, but when you start bending facts to fit your views, you will be in for a nasty surprise when reality intrudes.
2012-09-22 08:51:07 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Oh, look. This again.
It's funny how so many people get so worked up and have so many big, long, deep conversations about a puppet show.


Because, as we learned with George W. Bush, Presidents don't really matter.
2012-09-22 07:01:33 PM  
1 votes:
There is a fictional play called "the king in yellow." The first half is normal and mundane and its purpose is to setup the reader so that the mind shattering and irresistible truths of the second half hit that much harder. I begin to see this election in terms of a play along similar lines. Presuming that Obama wins a second term, despair and madness will consume the republican base on a scale that makes the last 4 years seem mild by comparison.
2012-09-22 06:13:18 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Obama just keeps getting more and more powerful


I'm OK with this.
2012-09-22 05:47:01 PM  
1 votes:

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.
2012-09-22 05:18:09 PM  
1 votes:

mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.


I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.
2012-09-22 05:06:57 PM  
1 votes:

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


In my experience, they feel that way because they (generally) get all their political news from Fox, Rush, et al. and only discuss politics with others who feel the way they do. If you try to get them to look at 538 or the like, they say MSM is biased and refuse.

Echo chamber.
2012-09-22 04:47:35 PM  
1 votes:
Every time I see this the same thing comes to mind: Never buy into your own bullshiat.
2012-09-22 04:46:20 PM  
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.


I think it's more a matter of Republican voters not being down-in-the-dumps because they believe they're going to win, in spite of facts, polls and other evidence not being in their favor. They're upbeat because they literally can't comprehend why someone would vote for Obama, which means there's likely to be a lot of surprise and butthurt come election day.
2012-09-22 04:44:06 PM  
1 votes:

TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.


The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?
2012-09-22 04:42:06 PM  
1 votes:

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.
2012-09-22 04:41:23 PM  
1 votes:

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day.


Indeed.
2012-09-22 04:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.


The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.
2012-09-22 04:33:52 PM  
1 votes:
Notabunny:

SurfaceTension: The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.

That's why they said McCain lost, and that's what ushered in the Teabaggers in 2010. The next 4 years are going to be comedy gold. Or Scary. At least one of those.


The social conservatives only have one thing sustaining them at this point... The white-hot, seething Anyone But Obama syndrome. Romney has been a complete windsock on the wedge issues they hold dear. The fiscal conservatives who put any thought into it know Romney / Ryan are the bastard children of G.W. Bush and Ayn Rand, combining the worst of each, so they aren't exactly inspired. The only thing holding them together is all those "temporarily embarassed millionaires" like Joe the Plumber who think they're going to benefit from Tax Cuts Uber Alles.

You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.
2012-09-22 04:33:20 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: If most of your information comes through Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, you might think that the economy was just fine or maybe a bit on the weak side until January 2009 and that it has gone from bad to worse since then. Certainly, that's what Republican rank-and-file voters seem to think.

That is absolutely terrifying.
2012-09-22 04:28:31 PM  
1 votes:
Fox news has been parroting the Obama's "failed policies points" every time anything happens in the world. But I think people aren't retarded enough to believe North Korea is acting boldly is a result of their perception that Obama is weak. Or that the embassy attack magically wouldn't have happened if Mittens were president.

The economy is also rebounding, and people can see that in tangible ways. Most prevelantly, in getting back to work. It went up to 12 percent. When 1/3 of those people get back to work, people notice. Even though 8% isnt exactly beautiful, it's better. And if it continues, them we are in good shape.

People can see it getting better. They are way less likely to believe finger pointing or change course right now.
2012-09-22 04:23:23 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "Obama has pulled even or ahead with Romney on the question of who would do a better job on the economy, partly because a lot of people still blame George W. Bush for creating these economic problems..."

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2012-09-22 04:19:29 PM  
1 votes:
Blame FOX, not Mitt?

I don't see that as an either/or thing, quite frankly.

They both suck.

economic confidence among Republicans is as low as it was back in the nightmare winter of 2008-2009.

Not even lightly tethered to reality by this point.
2012-09-22 04:17:27 PM  
1 votes:
I blame a lot of things on Fox News, but Mitt's campaign isn't one of them. Mitt built that.
2012-09-22 04:11:35 PM  
1 votes:

SurfaceTension: The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.


That's why they said McCain lost, and that's what ushered in the Teabaggers in 2010. The next 4 years are going to be comedy gold. Or Scary. At least one of those.
2012-09-22 04:09:31 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.


imgs.xkcd.com

Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown ass-man.
2012-09-22 03:49:27 PM  
1 votes:
I'd like to encourage this opinion. If it causes a revolt against Fox, it's better for everyone.
 
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