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2012-09-22 04:43:59 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


Well, no. No democrat could really be confident entirely until Obama pulled ahead in swing state polls. And there is more than that--republican social policy stinks. Every year it is polling with fewer and fewer people still in favor of their backward, church dogma legislative stances.

I mean, they do need to go back to the drawing board.
 
2012-09-22 04:44:06 PM

TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.


The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?
 
2012-09-22 04:46:20 PM

HeartBurnKid: I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.


I think it's more a matter of Republican voters not being down-in-the-dumps because they believe they're going to win, in spite of facts, polls and other evidence not being in their favor. They're upbeat because they literally can't comprehend why someone would vote for Obama, which means there's likely to be a lot of surprise and butthurt come election day.
 
2012-09-22 04:46:26 PM

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


Or it could be that they're just batsh*t crazy...
 
2012-09-22 04:47:35 PM
Every time I see this the same thing comes to mind: Never buy into your own bullshiat.
 
2012-09-22 04:48:07 PM

HeartBurnKid: 06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.


According to Teahadis, math is the root of all numbers and since sharing can be quantified in numbers it is to be considered communist like our gay, Muslim president.
 
2012-09-22 04:49:52 PM
Satanic_Hamster:

TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?


The big players will *always* back both parties on the down-ticket elections. One big election doesn't matter as much as having 535 little slices of influence in congress and 50 in statehouses.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:47 PM

06Wahoo: Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


They're not lying, they're deluded. The reaction when that delusion is almost certainly shattered will be confusion, rage and fury.
 
2012-09-22 04:52:57 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


The republicans I know must be smarter, because they understand that Romney is behind and losing ground. They blame a variety of things, but they're pretty dispirited.
 
2012-09-22 04:53:21 PM

neenerist: confusion, rage and fury


They'll form a band?
 
2012-09-22 04:58:58 PM

Satanic_Hamster: TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?


When Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
 
2012-09-22 05:03:06 PM
According to two articles I just read on cnn.com (on mobile device, can't link). Palin is urging Romney to go rogue and Gingrich advised him to debate like he did in FL.

/I think reality is starting to settle in for peeps who like to be infromed.
 
2012-09-22 05:04:50 PM

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.
 
2012-09-22 05:05:33 PM

lemurs: HeartBurnKid: I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.

I think it's more a matter of Republican voters not being down-in-the-dumps because they believe they're going to win, in spite of facts, polls and other evidence not being in their favor. They're upbeat because they literally can't comprehend why someone would vote for Obama, which means there's likely to be a lot of surprise and butthurt come election day.


It's called confirmation bias. The religious right is only listening to news channels and preachers who are telling them what they want to hear.

It's the same as Creationists home-schooling their kids so they don't get corrupted by talk of Evolution. These kids can't understand why anyone would 'believe' in Evo.

If they stay in that bubble, they never get a reality challenge. But for many of them, university exposes them to new views and outlooks. They get a reality check when they realize how Evo underpins most of biology.

If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.
 
2012-09-22 05:06:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Satanic_Hamster: TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?

When Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.


Not just a question of influence; at what point do the rich just say "given their track record, it's far more profitable for society to elect Democrats, especially from a purely fiscal prespective." And "these guys are becoming more unhinged and they're planning to collapse the entire economy AGAIN just based on their stupidity."
 
2012-09-22 05:06:57 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


In my experience, they feel that way because they (generally) get all their political news from Fox, Rush, et al. and only discuss politics with others who feel the way they do. If you try to get them to look at 538 or the like, they say MSM is biased and refuse.

Echo chamber.
 
2012-09-22 05:08:27 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: namatad: so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video? or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL Reality is so confusing.

... The hell are you on about? Broken joke detector or three-beer breakfast?


GOD DAMN IT SO MUCH
stupid fever .... no way to detect sarcasm while running a fever
FML
 
2012-09-22 05:15:57 PM
Why blame someone besides the Party itself? The Republicans offered up simply horrendous candidates this election. Perhaps next time they'll not attempt John Kerry 2.0: Electric Boogaloo and anticipate a different result.
 
2012-09-22 05:16:13 PM

BunkyBrewman: ...or the Republican party for allowing itself to be hijacked by the fringe lunatics.


And they have built up this little circular logic thing where if you try and point this out, then you are part of the problem.
 
2012-09-22 05:18:09 PM

mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.


I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.
 
2012-09-22 05:18:25 PM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Why blame someone besides the Party itself?


Isn't Fox News the propaganda arm of the party?
 
2012-09-22 05:20:59 PM

quickdraw: mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.

I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.


And they'll swing even further to the right in 2016 because they'll feel that they lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough...after losing to the guy that these same people think is to the left of Stalin.

I stopped trying to view Tea Party/GOP logic in a rational manner because it kept making my head hurt.
 
2012-09-22 05:24:18 PM
i.imgur.com
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.
 
2012-09-22 05:26:18 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


Glad to see Republicans are standing in soldarity with their Muslim brothers.
 
2012-09-22 05:27:53 PM

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


That was kind of the point of the article, albeit from the other side.
 
2012-09-22 05:29:08 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


Probably because he isn't, you know, president of the Middle East.
 
2012-09-22 05:29:26 PM

quickdraw: mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.

I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.


Eh, somewhere between those two, I think.

Thought this was interesting:
A major sporting goods/outdoors chain (forget which one) has two post-election strategies:
Obama wins: stock and push guns and ammo
Romney win: stock and push camping/fishing equipment, etc.

Because a lot of Republicans fear that, since Obama doesn't have to worry about being re-elected, his true colors will come out and HE WILL OUTLAW ALL GUNS AND DECLARE A MUSLIM THEOCRACY!!
 
2012-09-22 05:32:04 PM

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


I'm not sayin' its over, but after months of Anyone But Romney and the months of fail that followed his clinching the nomination, I can't blame anyone for looking for fat ladies in viking helmets.
 
2012-09-22 05:33:48 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


I check out that facebook page.... damned! There is so much derp, just damned! It like a facebook page dumping ground for all the talking points rolled into one web page of crazy.
 
2012-09-22 05:40:51 PM
Here, how about this, instead?

He's morally bankrupt, a hypocrite of the highest motherfarking order.....I guess what I'm saying is that he's human garbage.

I think that's where I'll lay the blame.
 
2012-09-22 05:47:01 PM

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.
 
2012-09-22 05:50:47 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


What funny about that is that it more or less proves what Obama was saying. When he made that comment, he was saying that as people lose faith in the goverment and when they feel powerless in their ability to impact their personal future, and that of their children, they retreat to religion, guns and insular communities.
 
2012-09-22 05:55:58 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-22 05:56:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: quickdraw: mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.

I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.

And they'll swing even further to the right in 2016 because they'll feel that they lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough...after losing to the guy that these same people think is to the left of Stalin.

I stopped trying to view Tea Party/GOP logic in a rational manner because it kept making my head hurt.


Sure I agree

When anyone has a choice between "Damn I was wrong, how did I make that mistake?" and "There's nothing wrong with my thinking, the other side are just too stupid to understand", most people choose the latter.

Applies to all of us. Our brains are 'designed' to win arguments not to figure out right and wrong. Most people will go to great lengths to defend entrenched viewpoints in preference to reconsidering them. 

My (maybe over-optimistic) hope is that the gap between reality and expectation may encourage some to reconsider. Even more optimistic, maybe Fox will be pressured to provide balance instead of vitriol. (I'm really holding my breath on that one)
 
2012-09-22 05:56:06 PM

Satanic_Hamster:

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?



Not just a question of influence; at what point do the rich just say "given their track record, it's far more profitable for society to elect Democrats, especially from a purely fiscal prespective." And "these guys are becoming more unhinged and they're planning to collapse the entire economy AGAIN just based on their stupidity."


Why would they care what benefits the entire society? An economic collapse every 15 or 20 years means you can buy equities and assets at fire-sale prices. For them, stability is the enemy of opportunity.
 
2012-09-22 05:56:31 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man. He can take responsibility for the chances that he's blown, or he can drop his ass out of the race.


Can that even be done? Could a nominee decide, this late into the game, that he/she doesn't want to run after all and just drop out? I know it's done at the local level, people drop out for all kinds of personal/political reasons; but what would happen if a Presidential nominee said to his party "You know? I just can't do this, so--bye" with only a little over a month before the election?
 
2012-09-22 05:57:12 PM

namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.


I like how the description has him not looking at a woman's ass, but at "ass woman."
 
2012-09-22 06:00:03 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


He's president of the Middle East too?

/Obama just keeps getting more and more powerful
 
2012-09-22 06:00:25 PM

fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.


I wonder how far they will take it. These people think that America will be doomed if Obama is at the helm for 4 more years, are fiercely patriotic, are notoriously close-minded, and there is not an insignificant amount of them. At least 10% and I'd guess up to 30% of adult Americans are really off the far right deep end.

It will be interesting.
 
2012-09-22 06:08:41 PM

Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.


Well, even if Obama was checking out her keester, (which if I may add was definitely check-able), so freaking what?

Gobama!
 
2012-09-22 06:09:38 PM

G.I.R.B.: Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.

Well, even if Obama was checking out her keester, (which if I may add was definitely check-able), so freaking what?

Gobama!


I agree I don't care. I just found the look on Sarkozy's face hysterical.
 
2012-09-22 06:10:09 PM

fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.


after making fun of libs for crying about election fraud in 2000 in Florida (and 2004 in Ohio), they will be crying about election fraud in every swing state that Obama wins.

if you think the "anti voter fraud" measures this year were extreme, wait until after the election.

/Santorum 2016, although Rand Paul will put up a good fight
 
2012-09-22 06:11:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: G.I.R.B.: Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.

Well, even if Obama was checking out her keester, (which if I may add was definitely check-able), so freaking what?

Gobama!

I agree I don't care. I just found the look on Sarkozy's face hysterical.


It was at that.
 
2012-09-22 06:12:35 PM

dumbobruni: fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.

after making fun of libs for crying about election fraud in 2000 in Florida (and 2004 in Ohio), they will be crying about election fraud in every swing state that Obama wins.

if you think the "anti voter fraud" measures this year were extreme, wait until after the election.

/Santorum 2016, although Rand Paul will put up a good fight


My money is on DeMint. Unless he turns out that he's as good at Rick Perry on the debate stage it's his game to win.
 
2012-09-22 06:13:18 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Obama just keeps getting more and more powerful


I'm OK with this.
 
2012-09-22 06:14:30 PM

ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.


It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.
 
2012-09-22 06:18:12 PM

dumbobruni: after making fun of libs for crying about election fraud in 2000 in Florida (and 2004 in Ohio), they will be crying about election fraud in every swing state that Obama wins


Happened in 2008. Just look at the epic butthurt Republicans in Minnesota still have over the fact that Norm Coleman lost to Al Franken in the Senate election.
 
2012-09-22 06:19:30 PM

BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.


Well, that's the big one. The Middle East is calming down, and jobs and the economy are on the uptick. If Romney can make it through the debates without another comment like the last two--and that's a big, big if--it could come down to the wire. But Romney seems unaware or unable to process the fact that when he says something stupid it will be all over the place and irretrievable in that minute, and his spin-control is not good.

He's still losing the moderates, and it also hasn't seemed to sink in with his campaign that he needs those moderates to win. A month before the election, his running mate shouldn't be getting booed by the AARP. If he can't piece off the hard-Republican non-fringe voters, he is screwed, regardless of what happens to the economy.
 
2012-09-22 06:21:01 PM

jigger: This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


That is exactly what TFA is about. That appeals only to people who won't vote Obama if their lives depended on it. Swing voters are turned off and low information voters have no idea wtf that means.

The only way those types of things are effective are if you can cause liberals to sprain their eyes so badly that they can't vote.
 
2012-09-22 06:29:04 PM

Gyrfalcon: BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.

Well, that's the big one. The Middle East is calming down, and jobs and the economy are on the uptick. If Romney can make it through the debates without another comment like the last two--and that's a big, big if--it could come down to the wire. But Romney seems unaware or unable to process the fact that when he says something stupid it will be all over the place and irretrievable in that minute, and his spin-control is not good.

He's still losing the moderates, and it also hasn't seemed to sink in with his campaign that he needs those moderates to win. A month before the election, his running mate shouldn't be getting booed by the AARP. If he can't piece off the hard-Republican non-fringe voters, he is screwed, regardless of what happens to the economy.


I have no doubt that Obama is in the drivers seat at the moment, but a lot can happen in 6 weeks, not all of it in Obama's control.

I think that assuming Romney's goose is cooked today is just as mistaken as the people who were convinced a year ago that Obama would lose to generic republican.
 
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