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2012-09-22 11:12:36 AM
well, mitt is a terrible candidate regardless - he's inherently unlikable. but, yes, the hermetically sealed fox echo chamber is a bad place to be if you need to compete in reality. opinion is one thing, but when you start bending facts to fit your views, you will be in for a nasty surprise when reality intrudes.
 
2012-09-22 11:15:25 AM
...or the Republican party for allowing itself to be hijacked by the fringe lunatics.
 
2012-09-22 01:26:12 PM
Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man. He can take responsibility for the chances that he's blown, or he can drop his ass out of the race.
 
2012-09-22 02:54:26 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man


Is that a crack about his enlarged prostate?

But seriously, is there anything Fox News can't ruin?
 
2012-09-22 02:58:42 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man. He can take responsibility for the chances that he's blown, or he can drop his ass out of the race.


Not until his bosses say he can. They need the ratings so the show must go on.
 
2012-09-22 03:03:39 PM

DarwiOdrade: But seriously, is there anything Fox News can't ruin?


Orgasms. Fox News will never be able to ruin orgasms.

I'll be in my bunk bunker.
 
2012-09-22 03:03:43 PM
The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.
 
2012-09-22 03:30:28 PM
Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.
 
2012-09-22 03:49:27 PM
I'd like to encourage this opinion. If it causes a revolt against Fox, it's better for everyone.
 
2012-09-22 04:08:55 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.


Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

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2012-09-22 04:09:31 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.


imgs.xkcd.com

Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown ass-man.
 
2012-09-22 04:11:35 PM

SurfaceTension: The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.


That's why they said McCain lost, and that's what ushered in the Teabaggers in 2010. The next 4 years are going to be comedy gold. Or Scary. At least one of those.
 
2012-09-22 04:12:06 PM

SurfaceTension: The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.


This is bad news HOW??? This is AWESOME NEWS!!!
Except that all the "rational" candidates who stayed out in 2012 will be in the race in 2016.
So unless their is a "leader" among the batshiat crazy candidates, the batshiat will drop out early.
LOL
 
2012-09-22 04:12:26 PM
What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.
 
2012-09-22 04:17:27 PM
I blame a lot of things on Fox News, but Mitt's campaign isn't one of them. Mitt built that.
 
2012-09-22 04:17:45 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

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so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.
 
2012-09-22 04:19:29 PM
Blame FOX, not Mitt?

I don't see that as an either/or thing, quite frankly.

They both suck.

economic confidence among Republicans is as low as it was back in the nightmare winter of 2008-2009.

Not even lightly tethered to reality by this point.
 
2012-09-22 04:20:09 PM

Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.


Hey. Windsor, Ontario used to make one of my favorite small blocks and Stephen Harper can seem just as aloof and out-of-touch as our guys. But, you know, in a congenial and engaging sort of way.
 
2012-09-22 04:21:27 PM

thenewmissus: I blame a lot of things on Fox News, but Mitt's campaign isn't one of them. Mitt built that.


Fox News gave my dog the runs
 
2012-09-22 04:22:19 PM
Blame the party for taking the easy path to short term success by sucking up to the teabagger "movement". Feeding on ignorance and hatred by running incompetent candidates who mindlessly tow party lines and spew ridiculous religious doctrine can win house races, but when there's national scrutiny and the stakes are high, suddenly people start caring that your candidate is damaged goods. The collection of retards and lunatics that made up the republican primary virtually guaranteed that 2008's leftover candidate would be the one to take the fall this time around.
 
2012-09-22 04:22:30 PM

namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.


Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.
 
2012-09-22 04:22:42 PM

namatad: or do you just like to trend you know the truth?


Has anyone really ever been far as decided to use go want to do look more like?
 
2012-09-22 04:23:23 PM
FTFA: "Obama has pulled even or ahead with Romney on the question of who would do a better job on the economy, partly because a lot of people still blame George W. Bush for creating these economic problems..."

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-22 04:25:46 PM
Don't be a playa hater.
 
2012-09-22 04:26:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.


CE CUL!

/Allons-y, Photoshop!
 
2012-09-22 04:26:46 PM

Notabunny: thenewmissus: I blame a lot of things on Fox News, but Mitt's campaign isn't one of them. Mitt built that.

Fox News gave my dog the runs


Fox News shiat in my basement.
 
2012-09-22 04:27:42 PM
What do you expect from a political philosophy that blames the media for all of their shortcomings?
 
2012-09-22 04:28:12 PM

Pharque-it: Notabunny: thenewmissus: I blame a lot of things on Fox News, but Mitt's campaign isn't one of them. Mitt built that.

Fox News gave my dog the runs

Fox News shiat in my basement.


Fox "News" raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. What else are we supposed to believe, seeing as how they refuse to deny these serious allegations?
 
2012-09-22 04:28:31 PM
Fox news has been parroting the Obama's "failed policies points" every time anything happens in the world. But I think people aren't retarded enough to believe North Korea is acting boldly is a result of their perception that Obama is weak. Or that the embassy attack magically wouldn't have happened if Mittens were president.

The economy is also rebounding, and people can see that in tangible ways. Most prevelantly, in getting back to work. It went up to 12 percent. When 1/3 of those people get back to work, people notice. Even though 8% isnt exactly beautiful, it's better. And if it continues, them we are in good shape.

People can see it getting better. They are way less likely to believe finger pointing or change course right now.
 
2012-09-22 04:28:47 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Mitt Romney is a grown ass-man.


www.wzronline.com 
Approves.

/managed to score a wrestling reference and an XKCD reference in one post... today is a good day.
 
2012-09-22 04:28:57 PM
I like to argue as much as the next guy, but it's been four years of this shiat now, I'm not always up for drawn-out fight, so when I want to cut things short I'll usually say "Let me ask you one question: is waterboarding torture?" If the answer is no, if a lot of hemming, hawing, explaining, parsing or hair-splitting results, I interrupt and say "You support torture. You are morally corrupt and your opinion on this or indeed any subject is without value" and walk away. Amazingly effective because, like most repubs willing to support a morally indefensible position for political reasons, they know they are in the wrong and will do almost to avoid admitting it. I don't believe Obama's victory in November is a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination, but if he does win, I am looking forward so much to telling these people "You know what? You lost. The majority of the American people think you're wrong, you are wrong, so why don't you just shut the fark up?"
 
2012-09-22 04:29:45 PM

namatad: so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video? or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL Reality is so confusing.


... The hell are you on about? Broken joke detector or three-beer breakfast?
 
2012-09-22 04:30:14 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.


Missed it by *that* much!

/shakes tiny fist
 
2012-09-22 04:31:41 PM

namatad: so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.


I think it was meant to be a joke. Clearly, it was one that went over your head.
 
2012-09-22 04:33:01 PM

Notabunny: thenewmissus: I blame a lot of things on Fox News, but Mitt's campaign isn't one of them. Mitt built that.

Fox News gave my dog the runs


Fox News gave my best friend syphyllis AND herpes. Then they caused me mom to have bunions. They kicked my pet hamster and then took him to a taxidermist and had him stuffed. And then shot him.
 
2012-09-22 04:33:20 PM
FTFA: If most of your information comes through Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, you might think that the economy was just fine or maybe a bit on the weak side until January 2009 and that it has gone from bad to worse since then. Certainly, that's what Republican rank-and-file voters seem to think.

That is absolutely terrifying.
 
2012-09-22 04:33:24 PM
It was certainly surprising to hear the "better off than 4 years ago" line trotted out at the convention.
 
2012-09-22 04:33:52 PM
Notabunny:

SurfaceTension: The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.

That's why they said McCain lost, and that's what ushered in the Teabaggers in 2010. The next 4 years are going to be comedy gold. Or Scary. At least one of those.


The social conservatives only have one thing sustaining them at this point... The white-hot, seething Anyone But Obama syndrome. Romney has been a complete windsock on the wedge issues they hold dear. The fiscal conservatives who put any thought into it know Romney / Ryan are the bastard children of G.W. Bush and Ayn Rand, combining the worst of each, so they aren't exactly inspired. The only thing holding them together is all those "temporarily embarassed millionaires" like Joe the Plumber who think they're going to benefit from Tax Cuts Uber Alles.

You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.
 
2012-09-22 04:34:27 PM

namatad: so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.


I don't get it. What's the big deal? If Obama was checking out her ass, it only shows that he's a man. Dudes like to look; nothing wrong with that.

/and she does have a very nice ass
//even looking at the video, it does look like Obama stole a quick glance
 
2012-09-22 04:34:46 PM

Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.


What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?
 
2012-09-22 04:35:45 PM
Fox News punched my grandmother and stole her dentures.
 
2012-09-22 04:37:00 PM
It's the Economy Stupid. Even Jesus couldn't win with this economy
 
2012-09-22 04:37:18 PM

maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.


The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.
 
2012-09-22 04:38:07 PM
Fox News peed in my pool.


/sorry for the threadjack but this is fun.
 
2012-09-22 04:38:08 PM
06Wahoo:


Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


Mind if I ask what is inspiring you to vote Romney?
 
2012-09-22 04:40:29 PM

Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.


They're in the Fox News bubble as much as the candidates are. Hell, the bubble was originally created for them, before the dealer started sampling his own wares.
 
2012-09-22 04:41:23 PM

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day.


Indeed.
 
2012-09-22 04:41:44 PM

SurfaceTension: The most interesting thing about all this is that conservatives will interpret this as not having a candidate who is conservative enough. They'll nominate someone yet further to the right in 2016.


Sounds likely, it also means if the Democrats can dig up someone moderate (well centre right), and reasonable at speaking, they should walk 2016 and still have the better odds in 2020 (as the Republicans will either be still collapsing, or still going even further right in 2020).
 
2012-09-22 04:42:06 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.
 
2012-09-22 04:43:25 PM

BunkyBrewman: ...or the Republican party for allowing itself to be hijacked by the fringe lunatics.


They have no choice, really. In order to garner enough votes, they have to appeal to the kooks on the ultra-right. What's funny about this is that the folks in the true power base of the Republican Party would never associate with most of the people they have to pander to.
 
2012-09-22 04:43:59 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


Well, no. No democrat could really be confident entirely until Obama pulled ahead in swing state polls. And there is more than that--republican social policy stinks. Every year it is polling with fewer and fewer people still in favor of their backward, church dogma legislative stances.

I mean, they do need to go back to the drawing board.
 
2012-09-22 04:44:06 PM

TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.


The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?
 
2012-09-22 04:46:20 PM

HeartBurnKid: I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.


I think it's more a matter of Republican voters not being down-in-the-dumps because they believe they're going to win, in spite of facts, polls and other evidence not being in their favor. They're upbeat because they literally can't comprehend why someone would vote for Obama, which means there's likely to be a lot of surprise and butthurt come election day.
 
2012-09-22 04:46:26 PM

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


Or it could be that they're just batsh*t crazy...
 
2012-09-22 04:47:35 PM
Every time I see this the same thing comes to mind: Never buy into your own bullshiat.
 
2012-09-22 04:48:07 PM

HeartBurnKid: 06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.


According to Teahadis, math is the root of all numbers and since sharing can be quantified in numbers it is to be considered communist like our gay, Muslim president.
 
2012-09-22 04:49:52 PM
Satanic_Hamster:

TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?


The big players will *always* back both parties on the down-ticket elections. One big election doesn't matter as much as having 535 little slices of influence in congress and 50 in statehouses.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:47 PM

06Wahoo: Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


They're not lying, they're deluded. The reaction when that delusion is almost certainly shattered will be confusion, rage and fury.
 
2012-09-22 04:52:57 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


The republicans I know must be smarter, because they understand that Romney is behind and losing ground. They blame a variety of things, but they're pretty dispirited.
 
2012-09-22 04:53:21 PM

neenerist: confusion, rage and fury


They'll form a band?
 
2012-09-22 04:58:58 PM

Satanic_Hamster: TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?


When Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
 
2012-09-22 05:03:06 PM
According to two articles I just read on cnn.com (on mobile device, can't link). Palin is urging Romney to go rogue and Gingrich advised him to debate like he did in FL.

/I think reality is starting to settle in for peeps who like to be infromed.
 
2012-09-22 05:04:50 PM

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.
 
2012-09-22 05:05:33 PM

lemurs: HeartBurnKid: I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you saying that the Democratic voters are fantasizing about Obama's chances of winning? Because we've got, you know, math on our side.

I think it's more a matter of Republican voters not being down-in-the-dumps because they believe they're going to win, in spite of facts, polls and other evidence not being in their favor. They're upbeat because they literally can't comprehend why someone would vote for Obama, which means there's likely to be a lot of surprise and butthurt come election day.


It's called confirmation bias. The religious right is only listening to news channels and preachers who are telling them what they want to hear.

It's the same as Creationists home-schooling their kids so they don't get corrupted by talk of Evolution. These kids can't understand why anyone would 'believe' in Evo.

If they stay in that bubble, they never get a reality challenge. But for many of them, university exposes them to new views and outlooks. They get a reality check when they realize how Evo underpins most of biology.

If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.
 
2012-09-22 05:06:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Satanic_Hamster: TsukasaK: maxheck: You betcha they're going to swing even stupider in 2016.

The neat thing is they're already beginning to turn off people by being so wingnutty. There's talk (admittedly how much of this can be proven is beyond me) that the Republican party will cease to be relevant if they don't win this time around.

One can only hope.

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?

When Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.


Not just a question of influence; at what point do the rich just say "given their track record, it's far more profitable for society to elect Democrats, especially from a purely fiscal prespective." And "these guys are becoming more unhinged and they're planning to collapse the entire economy AGAIN just based on their stupidity."
 
2012-09-22 05:06:57 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


In my experience, they feel that way because they (generally) get all their political news from Fox, Rush, et al. and only discuss politics with others who feel the way they do. If you try to get them to look at 538 or the like, they say MSM is biased and refuse.

Echo chamber.
 
2012-09-22 05:08:27 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: namatad: so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video? or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL Reality is so confusing.

... The hell are you on about? Broken joke detector or three-beer breakfast?


GOD DAMN IT SO MUCH
stupid fever .... no way to detect sarcasm while running a fever
FML
 
2012-09-22 05:15:57 PM
Why blame someone besides the Party itself? The Republicans offered up simply horrendous candidates this election. Perhaps next time they'll not attempt John Kerry 2.0: Electric Boogaloo and anticipate a different result.
 
2012-09-22 05:16:13 PM

BunkyBrewman: ...or the Republican party for allowing itself to be hijacked by the fringe lunatics.


And they have built up this little circular logic thing where if you try and point this out, then you are part of the problem.
 
2012-09-22 05:18:09 PM

mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.


I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.
 
2012-09-22 05:18:25 PM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Why blame someone besides the Party itself?


Isn't Fox News the propaganda arm of the party?
 
2012-09-22 05:20:59 PM

quickdraw: mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.

I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.


And they'll swing even further to the right in 2016 because they'll feel that they lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough...after losing to the guy that these same people think is to the left of Stalin.

I stopped trying to view Tea Party/GOP logic in a rational manner because it kept making my head hurt.
 
2012-09-22 05:24:18 PM
i.imgur.com
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.
 
2012-09-22 05:26:18 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


Glad to see Republicans are standing in soldarity with their Muslim brothers.
 
2012-09-22 05:27:53 PM

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


That was kind of the point of the article, albeit from the other side.
 
2012-09-22 05:29:08 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


Probably because he isn't, you know, president of the Middle East.
 
2012-09-22 05:29:26 PM

quickdraw: mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.

I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.


Eh, somewhere between those two, I think.

Thought this was interesting:
A major sporting goods/outdoors chain (forget which one) has two post-election strategies:
Obama wins: stock and push guns and ammo
Romney win: stock and push camping/fishing equipment, etc.

Because a lot of Republicans fear that, since Obama doesn't have to worry about being re-elected, his true colors will come out and HE WILL OUTLAW ALL GUNS AND DECLARE A MUSLIM THEOCRACY!!
 
2012-09-22 05:32:04 PM

Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.


I'm not sayin' its over, but after months of Anyone But Romney and the months of fail that followed his clinching the nomination, I can't blame anyone for looking for fat ladies in viking helmets.
 
2012-09-22 05:33:48 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


I check out that facebook page.... damned! There is so much derp, just damned! It like a facebook page dumping ground for all the talking points rolled into one web page of crazy.
 
2012-09-22 05:40:51 PM
Here, how about this, instead?

He's morally bankrupt, a hypocrite of the highest motherfarking order.....I guess what I'm saying is that he's human garbage.

I think that's where I'll lay the blame.
 
2012-09-22 05:47:01 PM

06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.
 
2012-09-22 05:50:47 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


What funny about that is that it more or less proves what Obama was saying. When he made that comment, he was saying that as people lose faith in the goverment and when they feel powerless in their ability to impact their personal future, and that of their children, they retreat to religion, guns and insular communities.
 
2012-09-22 05:55:58 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-22 05:56:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: quickdraw: mjjt: If Obama wins by the sort of margins Nate Silver is predicting (and he was most accurate in 2008), then some will have a similar reality check, and perhaps realize that Fox News is not actually doing them a service when it serves up such one-sided hatred.

I think that is extremely optimistic. They will claim the election was stolen. Many of them will sell everything and build bunkers in Montana so as to stave off the advent of the zombie mooslime apocalypse. There will create their own currency and demand sovereignty. They won't be a real threat till 20 years from now.

And they'll swing even further to the right in 2016 because they'll feel that they lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough...after losing to the guy that these same people think is to the left of Stalin.

I stopped trying to view Tea Party/GOP logic in a rational manner because it kept making my head hurt.


Sure I agree

When anyone has a choice between "Damn I was wrong, how did I make that mistake?" and "There's nothing wrong with my thinking, the other side are just too stupid to understand", most people choose the latter.

Applies to all of us. Our brains are 'designed' to win arguments not to figure out right and wrong. Most people will go to great lengths to defend entrenched viewpoints in preference to reconsidering them. 

My (maybe over-optimistic) hope is that the gap between reality and expectation may encourage some to reconsider. Even more optimistic, maybe Fox will be pressured to provide balance instead of vitriol. (I'm really holding my breath on that one)
 
2012-09-22 05:56:06 PM

Satanic_Hamster:

The big question is the financial backers. While there will always be a few batshiat crazy billionaires, at what point will the rich give up on the Republican party or consider them a bad investment?



Not just a question of influence; at what point do the rich just say "given their track record, it's far more profitable for society to elect Democrats, especially from a purely fiscal prespective." And "these guys are becoming more unhinged and they're planning to collapse the entire economy AGAIN just based on their stupidity."


Why would they care what benefits the entire society? An economic collapse every 15 or 20 years means you can buy equities and assets at fire-sale prices. For them, stability is the enemy of opportunity.
 
2012-09-22 05:56:31 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man. He can take responsibility for the chances that he's blown, or he can drop his ass out of the race.


Can that even be done? Could a nominee decide, this late into the game, that he/she doesn't want to run after all and just drop out? I know it's done at the local level, people drop out for all kinds of personal/political reasons; but what would happen if a Presidential nominee said to his party "You know? I just can't do this, so--bye" with only a little over a month before the election?
 
2012-09-22 05:57:12 PM

namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.


I like how the description has him not looking at a woman's ass, but at "ass woman."
 
2012-09-22 06:00:03 PM

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


He's president of the Middle East too?

/Obama just keeps getting more and more powerful
 
2012-09-22 06:00:25 PM

fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.


I wonder how far they will take it. These people think that America will be doomed if Obama is at the helm for 4 more years, are fiercely patriotic, are notoriously close-minded, and there is not an insignificant amount of them. At least 10% and I'd guess up to 30% of adult Americans are really off the far right deep end.

It will be interesting.
 
2012-09-22 06:08:41 PM

Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.


Well, even if Obama was checking out her keester, (which if I may add was definitely check-able), so freaking what?

Gobama!
 
2012-09-22 06:09:38 PM

G.I.R.B.: Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.

Well, even if Obama was checking out her keester, (which if I may add was definitely check-able), so freaking what?

Gobama!


I agree I don't care. I just found the look on Sarkozy's face hysterical.
 
2012-09-22 06:10:09 PM

fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.


after making fun of libs for crying about election fraud in 2000 in Florida (and 2004 in Ohio), they will be crying about election fraud in every swing state that Obama wins.

if you think the "anti voter fraud" measures this year were extreme, wait until after the election.

/Santorum 2016, although Rand Paul will put up a good fight
 
2012-09-22 06:11:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: G.I.R.B.: Mrtraveler01: namatad: Fluorescent Testicle: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, Mitt Romney is a grown-ass man.

Meanwhile, Obama is a grown ass-man.

[images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x427]

/[xkcd.jpg]

so you think that that photo is an accurate representation of what happened? have you seen the video?
or do you just like to trend you know the truth?? LOLOLOL
Reality is so confusing.

Sarkozy really makes the pic for me. You can definitely tell he was checking that girls ass out without any question.

But then again, we all know the French can be horny bastards.

Well, even if Obama was checking out her keester, (which if I may add was definitely check-able), so freaking what?

Gobama!

I agree I don't care. I just found the look on Sarkozy's face hysterical.


It was at that.
 
2012-09-22 06:12:35 PM

dumbobruni: fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.

after making fun of libs for crying about election fraud in 2000 in Florida (and 2004 in Ohio), they will be crying about election fraud in every swing state that Obama wins.

if you think the "anti voter fraud" measures this year were extreme, wait until after the election.

/Santorum 2016, although Rand Paul will put up a good fight


My money is on DeMint. Unless he turns out that he's as good at Rick Perry on the debate stage it's his game to win.
 
2012-09-22 06:13:18 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Obama just keeps getting more and more powerful


I'm OK with this.
 
2012-09-22 06:14:30 PM

ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.


It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.
 
2012-09-22 06:18:12 PM

dumbobruni: after making fun of libs for crying about election fraud in 2000 in Florida (and 2004 in Ohio), they will be crying about election fraud in every swing state that Obama wins


Happened in 2008. Just look at the epic butthurt Republicans in Minnesota still have over the fact that Norm Coleman lost to Al Franken in the Senate election.
 
2012-09-22 06:19:30 PM

BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.


Well, that's the big one. The Middle East is calming down, and jobs and the economy are on the uptick. If Romney can make it through the debates without another comment like the last two--and that's a big, big if--it could come down to the wire. But Romney seems unaware or unable to process the fact that when he says something stupid it will be all over the place and irretrievable in that minute, and his spin-control is not good.

He's still losing the moderates, and it also hasn't seemed to sink in with his campaign that he needs those moderates to win. A month before the election, his running mate shouldn't be getting booed by the AARP. If he can't piece off the hard-Republican non-fringe voters, he is screwed, regardless of what happens to the economy.
 
2012-09-22 06:21:01 PM

jigger: This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.


That is exactly what TFA is about. That appeals only to people who won't vote Obama if their lives depended on it. Swing voters are turned off and low information voters have no idea wtf that means.

The only way those types of things are effective are if you can cause liberals to sprain their eyes so badly that they can't vote.
 
2012-09-22 06:29:04 PM

Gyrfalcon: BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.

Well, that's the big one. The Middle East is calming down, and jobs and the economy are on the uptick. If Romney can make it through the debates without another comment like the last two--and that's a big, big if--it could come down to the wire. But Romney seems unaware or unable to process the fact that when he says something stupid it will be all over the place and irretrievable in that minute, and his spin-control is not good.

He's still losing the moderates, and it also hasn't seemed to sink in with his campaign that he needs those moderates to win. A month before the election, his running mate shouldn't be getting booed by the AARP. If he can't piece off the hard-Republican non-fringe voters, he is screwed, regardless of what happens to the economy.


I have no doubt that Obama is in the drivers seat at the moment, but a lot can happen in 6 weeks, not all of it in Obama's control.

I think that assuming Romney's goose is cooked today is just as mistaken as the people who were convinced a year ago that Obama would lose to generic republican.
 
2012-09-22 06:30:16 PM
a lot of republicans i know are already giving up on the guy and are expecting another 4 years of Obama
 
2012-09-22 06:30:46 PM
Fox News viewers probably tend to be largely white, working class, and economically populist, which makes it all the sadder that they are sold a giant echo chamber that exists only to make money for a giant, untrustworthy corporation.

They come out of it both less informed and ripped off by the very machine that they (rightly) distrust.
 
2012-09-22 06:33:27 PM

BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.


I'm curious how you think Romney gets 270 because I just don't see it. Here is a link to Realclearpolitics's No Toss-up Map. Interesting map. Based on poll averages. If gives a State to a candidate even if they are up by a fraction.

Link

It has Obama: 332 and Romeny: 206.

That means Romney needs to nudge/flip enough states to get 64 additional electoral votes.

Where do you see the 64 he needs?
 
2012-09-22 06:41:23 PM

rthanu: fatassbastard: 06Wahoo: Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

These people believe whatever they want to believe: Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, cutting taxes reduces the deficit, abstinence-only sex ed is effective, not to mention their religious beliefs.

Since they don't want to believe Obama is going to win, they just tell themselves over and over that he will lose, eventually convincing themselves that it's going to happen. And since they're in the right-wing/Fox/Limbaugh closed loop echo chamber, and anything that doesn't line up with their desires is "ZOMG LIBRULZZ!!", they never reconsider their positions.

Forecast calls for extreme butthurt on November 7th.

I wonder how far they will take it. These people think that America will be doomed if Obama is at the helm for 4 more years, are fiercely patriotic, are notoriously close-minded, and there is not an insignificant amount of them. At least 10% and I'd guess up to 30% of adult Americans are really off the far right deep end.

It will be interesting.


If you want to get a good look at what Conservative voters will act like if Obama wins a second term, look no further than how Penn State fans have reacted to the whole Jerry Sandusky scandal. The large vocal minority of Penn State fans refuse to believe Joe Paterno was at all culpable for what happened; and instead circled the wagons and doubled down on the stupid comments.

They may accept the punishment for Sandusky; but refuse to see the larger institutional problems. Likewise, Republicans may accept Mitt losing the election; but will refuse to accept that their party, platform and ideology may need to change.
 
2012-09-22 06:56:22 PM

mrshowrules: It has Obama: 332 and Romeny: 206.

That means Romney needs to nudge/flip enough states to get 64 additional electoral votes.

Where do you see the 64 he needs?



It's not likely, but it's not inconceivable that Romney could win FL, VA and OH. That's where he spending the bulk of his money anyway. I think that Romney definitely wins NC.

That would get him to 266 with CO, IA, NV, NH each having enough votes to propel him to a win.

I think it's likely at the moment that Obama wins the election. I think that treating it like it's in the bag is unwise. bump Obama's percentage down a couple of points and Romney's up in the swing states I listed and you have a nailbiter.

Romney has to almost sweep every state that EV lists as a toss up. He can't do that today, he prolly can't in 6 weeks. But it's not impossible.
 
2012-09-22 07:01:33 PM
There is a fictional play called "the king in yellow." The first half is normal and mundane and its purpose is to setup the reader so that the mind shattering and irresistible truths of the second half hit that much harder. I begin to see this election in terms of a play along similar lines. Presuming that Obama wins a second term, despair and madness will consume the republican base on a scale that makes the last 4 years seem mild by comparison.
 
2012-09-22 07:01:34 PM
Lord, please make Elizabeth Warren lose to Scott Brown because I will enjoy the frothing on Fark but don't even think about doing the same in the general election. Ain't worth it.
 
2012-09-22 07:03:33 PM

Gergesa: There is a fictional play called "the king in yellow." The first half is normal and mundane and its purpose is to setup the reader so that the mind shattering and irresistible truths of the second half hit that much harder. I begin to see this election in terms of a play along similar lines. Presuming that Obama wins a second term, despair and madness will consume the republican base on a scale that makes the last 4 years seem mild by comparison.


I have never heard of that and I love me some ghost stories. Thanks!

Link
 
2012-09-22 07:06:39 PM

skullkrusher: Lord, please make Elizabeth Warren lose to Scott Brown because I will enjoy the frothing on Fark but don't even think about doing the same in the general election. Ain't worth it.


Found your expression when you wrote that.

cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-09-22 07:09:25 PM

BSABSVR: I think that assuming Romney's goose is cooked today is just as mistaken as the people who were convinced a year ago that Obama would lose to generic republican.


To be fair, if Generic Republican had won the primaries, Obama would be in real trouble. Luckily for us libs, there's no such fellow.

But yeah. Not only is there always some possibility for an upset, we libs still have a lot of downticket races to fight for. Warren, Inslee, and so on - and that's to say nothing of the long shots that are still worth backing.

Lastly, if we libs are to have any, ahem, Hope of actually making any Changes or moving Forward, we need to do more than run against Romney anyway. We need to make the case for our program.
 
2012-09-22 07:11:43 PM

skullkrusher: Lord, please make Elizabeth Warren lose to Scott Brown because I will enjoy the frothing on Fark but don't even think about doing the same in the general election. Ain't worth it.


I thought Scott Brown was a generally decent guy and not the hero of Teabonics that they thought he was?
 
2012-09-22 07:14:04 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: skullkrusher: Lord, please make Elizabeth Warren lose to Scott Brown because I will enjoy the frothing on Fark but don't even think about doing the same in the general election. Ain't worth it.

I thought Scott Brown was a generally decent guy and not the hero of Teabonics that they thought he was?


seems fairly reasonable to me.
 
2012-09-22 07:18:53 PM

Dahnkster: DarwiOdrade: But seriously, is there anything Fox News can't ruin?

Orgasms. Fox News will never be able to ruin orgasms.

I'll be in my bunk bunker.


I find myself incapable of achieving orgasm if Fox News is playing in the background.

So yes, Fox News can ruin orgasms.
 
2012-09-22 07:20:55 PM

mrshowrules: BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.

I'm curious how you think Romney gets 270 because I just don't see it. Here is a link to Realclearpolitics's No Toss-up Map. Interesting map. Based on poll averages. If gives a State to a candidate even if they are up by a fraction.

Link

It has Obama: 332 and Romeny: 206.

That means Romney needs to nudge/flip enough states to get 64 additional electoral votes.

Where do you see the 64 he needs?


He is subtly making himself Latino. each day a little browner, each day a little more of an accent.
By November he's ready to flip California

It all started when he was, as usual, complaining he didn't have an easy path to the white house the way a real mexican would.
Then someone explained fake tan technology to him.
 
2012-09-22 07:33:40 PM

AnEvilGuest: mrshowrules: BSABSVR: ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.

It doesn't have to be that much. Obama is ahead by a couple points in swing states with 6 weeks to go.

Another riot or two in the Middle East, another weak jobs report, Romney having debate performances that don't show his ass, and its a toss up or Obama is behind.

I'm curious how you think Romney gets 270 because I just don't see it. Here is a link to Realclearpolitics's No Toss-up Map. Interesting map. Based on poll averages. If gives a State to a candidate even if they are up by a fraction.

Link

It has Obama: 332 and Romeny: 206.

That means Romney needs to nudge/flip enough states to get 64 additional electoral votes.

Where do you see the 64 he needs?

He is subtly making himself Latino. each day a little browner, each day a little more of an accent.
By November he's ready to flip California

It all started when he was, as usual, complaining he didn't have an easy path to the white house the way a real mexican would.
Then someone explained fake tan technology to him.


I hadn't realized Mexicans are orange.

Unless he looked at a map and said, "Hm, lots of wealthy Mexicans live in Orange County..."
 
2012-09-22 08:00:22 PM

BSABSVR:


It's not likely, but it's not inconceivable that Romney could win FL, VA and OH. That's where he spending the bulk of his money anyway. I think that Romney definitely wins NC.

That would get him to 266 with CO, IA, NV, NH each having enough votes to propel him to a win.

Didn't he pull his ads from Ohio a week or so ago? Or did he start them back up again?

That said he sure is running massive ad buys in VA.
 
2012-09-22 08:09:42 PM

jasimo: In my experience, they feel that way because they (generally) get all their political news from Fox, Rush, et al. and only discuss politics with others who feel the way they do. If you try to get them to look at 538 or the like, they say MSM is biased and refuse.


This is why I won't discuss politics with my sister. She reads Glenn Beck,watches Fox News and truly believes Romney should be president because "What's so wrong with a guy with strong family values being president?" well that and plus she's Mormon so yeah. The only one in my house I talk politics with anymore is my fiance,he can't stand Romney/Ryan.

/Lulz last night I heard her says she's going to vote straight R,good for her that is if she even gets up the gumption to go vote.
//I walked six miles to vote in the primiaries and I'll damn sure do it again Nov.6th if I can't get a ride.
 
2012-09-22 08:20:53 PM
Gergesa:

There is a fictional play called "the king in yellow." The first half is normal and mundane and its purpose is to setup the reader so that the mind shattering and irresistible truths of the second half hit that much harder. I begin to see this election in terms of a play along similar lines. Presuming that Obama wins a second term, despair and madness will consume the republican base on a scale that makes the last 4 years seem mild by comparison.

Wow... I would have thought Chambers was obscure even by Fark standards. Very happy to have been proven wrong.
 
2012-09-22 08:23:23 PM

clambam: I like to argue as much as the next guy, but it's been four years of this shiat now, I'm not always up for drawn-out fight, so when I want to cut things short I'll usually say "Let me ask you one question: is waterboarding torture?" If the answer is no, if a lot of hemming, hawing, explaining, parsing or hair-splitting results, I interrupt and say "You support torture. You are morally corrupt and your opinion on this or indeed any subject is without value" and walk away. Amazingly effective because, like most repubs willing to support a morally indefensible position for political reasons, they know they are in the wrong and will do almost to avoid admitting it. I don't believe Obama's victory in November is a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination, but if he does win, I am looking forward so much to telling these people "You know what? You lost. The majority of the American people think you're wrong, you are wrong, so why don't you just shut the fark up?"


Face to face trolling is the very best.
 
2012-09-22 08:41:02 PM

mrshowrules: That means Romney needs to nudge/flip enough states to get 64 additional electoral votes. Where do you see the 64 he needs?


The state of denial has 70 electoral votes. Duh.
 
2012-09-22 08:44:03 PM
Oh, look. This again.

It's funny how so many people get so worked up and have so many big, long, deep conversations about a puppet show.
 
2012-09-22 08:45:07 PM
Pundits always over analyze why campaigns lost. Ultimately, the winner is the one that runs the best campaign. And that's the case here.

Romney's best argument against Obama is the unemployment rate, but he keeps doing things that allow Obama to shift the debate to another issue.

First, like all campaigns against an incumbent, Romney has made his message about that the nation is headed in the wrong direction, but he's failed to do the other half of that message, which is what his exactly he'll do different besides tax cuts. He's failing to explain how Obama is holding back the recovery. Nothing seems to be at stake with the economy if Obama gets reelected except more tax cuts.

Next, there's no end to the self inflicted wounds. The whole tax return issues is the biggest. It's not only put Romney on the defense for weeks of the election, but it's allowed Obama to shift the national debate from unemployment to the tax policy. Assuming that all the tax returns show is that Romney is incredibly rich and exploits every single tax loophole, he should have released the returns in 2011 and been done with the issue well before the end of the primary.

Paul Ryan is another mistake because it yet again has let Obama shift the debate away from the unemployment rate to tax policy and medicaid/medicare.

Finally, he hasn't done any triangulation, and has continued to take the right of middle view on every issue. There are two issues that he could have been ahead of the curve on:

1) Immigration: To win the election Romney needs 35 to 40 percent of the Latino vote. There aren't enough old angry white guys to win this election with an anti-immigration platform. While the Dream Act was floundering he had an opening to step up and propose a watered down version.

2) Gay marriage: all the polling was showing a national tidal wave on this, especially with the repeal on DADT. While Obama was floundering on getting infront of the issue, Romney should have come out in favor of civil unions. Maybe that would have would have pissed off people on the far right, but it would have showed moderates that he has flexibility on social issues. Further, it would have forced Obama to come strongly in favor of gay marriage, which would be so extreme for conservatives that they'd be ok with Romney's stance on Civil Unions -- it makes it look like Romney is the one who cares more about balancing the beliefs of religious nut jobs and the rights of LGBT people.
 
2012-09-22 08:51:07 PM

ZeroCorpse: Oh, look. This again.
It's funny how so many people get so worked up and have so many big, long, deep conversations about a puppet show.


Because, as we learned with George W. Bush, Presidents don't really matter.
 
2012-09-22 08:53:25 PM

thornhill: Romney's best argument against Obama is the unemployment rate...


Yeah, for those people who don't understand that Romney pushing the exact same policies that Bush was working with when the economy and the jobs went straight down the shart hole.
 
2012-09-22 09:00:16 PM
www.orsonprattbrown.com
This isn't Willard M. first horse show. Yes, Willard M. Romney is way past grown ass. He's an old ass grown man. He didn't even bother to clean his tax records up, can you imagine how badly he'd run the country?
 
2012-09-22 09:07:20 PM

0Icky0: thornhill: Romney's best argument against Obama is the unemployment rate...

Yeah, for those people who don't understand that Romney pushing the exact same policies that Bush was working with when the economy and the jobs went straight down the shart hole.


No one has ever lost thinking that the American was smart. That's how Bush won twice.
 
2012-09-22 09:14:10 PM

missiv: Yes, Willard M. Romney is way past grown ass. He's an old ass grown man.


I know those words, but that sign makes no sense.
 
2012-09-22 09:14:31 PM

06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?


Because we watch Mittens open his mouth and, like sane, rational people, imagine what we'd feel if this guy represented us.

I can say that, personally, I take a bit of pride in saying I would not be cheering.
 
2012-09-22 09:18:37 PM

maxheck: Gergesa:

There is a fictional play called "the king in yellow." The first half is normal and mundane and its purpose is to setup the reader so that the mind shattering and irresistible truths of the second half hit that much harder. I begin to see this election in terms of a play along similar lines. Presuming that Obama wins a second term, despair and madness will consume the republican base on a scale that makes the last 4 years seem mild by comparison.

Wow... I would have thought Chambers was obscure even by Fark standards. Very happy to have been proven wrong.


Ah well I must confess I came across him by happenstance as I am a fan of Lovecraft and recently it seems as though the king in yellow has expanded his prominence in the fictional universe.
 
2012-09-22 09:22:44 PM

PsiChick: 06Wahoo: Uncle Tractor: What I don't get is that people still vote Republican. Anywhere else in the (industrialized) world, a party like that would have been dead.

What I don't get is why so many Democrat voters are getting off on this fantasy of the down-in-the-dumps conservative. Most Republican voters I know right now believe Barack Obama is going to go down hard on Election Day. Is there some hope that by lying about this, they may hope to convince people that it is true and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

Because we watch Mittens open his mouth and, like sane, rational people, imagine what we'd feel if this guy represented us.

I can say that, personally, I take a bit of pride in saying I would not be cheering.


I'm trying to figure out why anyone would hear what he said on the night of the US Ambassador's death and be able to cheer AT ALL. He said something awful and people are all "Yeah! F*ck Obama! You go Mitt!" like they were watching MMA on Spike and it didn't matter.

...oh wait...
 
2012-09-22 09:29:07 PM

A Terrible Human: This is why I won't discuss politics with my sister. She reads Glenn Beck,watches Fox News and truly believes Romney should be president because "What's so wrong with a guy with strong family values being president?" well that and plus she's Mormon so yeah. The only one in my house I talk politics with anymore is my fiance,he can't stand Romney/Ryan.


I'd be curious why she thinks Romney has better family values then Obama. Romney, who changes the rules to family games if he loses so he can win every time.
 
2012-09-22 09:49:45 PM
I still think Mitt Romney's biggest problem is Governor Romney.

The far-right types don't like Governor Romney, so Candidate Romney panders to them. Meanwhile, that rhetoric scares off everyone who would have voted for Governor Romney.
 
2012-09-22 11:18:45 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I'd be curious why she thinks Romney has better family values then Obama. Romney, who changes the rules to family games if he loses so he can win every time.


Simply because he's mormon. I've also heard her call Obama a muslim,as if that's actually an insult though. She's just a nutty bigot.
 
2012-09-22 11:24:31 PM

wingnut396: jigger: [i.imgur.com image 480x360]
This has been going around today. Heh heh heh heh.

What funny about that is that it more or less proves what Obama was saying. When he made that comment, he was saying that as people lose faith in the goverment and when they feel powerless in their ability to impact their personal future, and that of their children, they retreat to religion, guns and insular communities.


Yep. There was nothing inaccurate about that statement. In fact, it could be ascribed as a facet of human nature [some of them anyways] and not just an American trait. I just don't think they ever expected it to be held against them as if it was a negative. They view their guns, religion, and xenophobic communities as a strength, not as a sign of fear and ignorance.
 
2012-09-22 11:34:51 PM

Mithiwithi: BSABSVR: I think that assuming Romney's goose is cooked today is just as mistaken as the people who were convinced a year ago that Obama would lose to generic republican.

To be fair, if Generic Republican had won the primaries, Obama would be in real trouble. Luckily for us libs, there's no such fellow.

But yeah. Not only is there always some possibility for an upset, we libs still have a lot of downticket races to fight for. Warren, Inslee, and so on - and that's to say nothing of the long shots that are still worth backing.

Lastly, if we libs are to have any, ahem, Hope of actually making any Changes or moving Forward, we need to do more than run against Romney anyway. We need to make the case for our program.


Not railing against either one of you, just commenting. I think the whole idea of Generic Republican is asinine, certainly when used by the Republicans to estimate their chances.

"Would you vote for an imaginary candidate that holds all of the views you do and none of the ones you don't, or the n**ger?"

Any real candidate from the state level of governance is going to have a past. This past may include compromise--with libtards! If a record of compromise is sufficient to prohibit a candidate from getting nominated, then we are well and truly farked.
 
2012-09-22 11:59:40 PM
I really don't think romney wanted to be the candidate this election. Everything he does has been like a rush "pencils down" moment.
 
2012-09-23 01:01:35 AM

AdamK: a lot of republicans i know are already giving up on the guy and are expecting another 4 years of Obama


Well, they shouldn't give up hope just yet. There's always duct tape. Put some on Mitt and hope that people have short memories.
 
2012-09-23 01:29:45 AM
When you dance with the devil by the tail, the monster you created is sown in the bed you've made.
 
2012-09-23 09:01:55 AM

ghare: Confabulat: Little early to be calling the election don't you think? It's not even October and the future has a funny way of not turning out like you'd expect.

You really think Obama's gonna be caught with a live boy or a dead woman between now and the election? The more independents look at Romney, the less they like him, and the derpsters don't like him either, plus he's a magic-underwear wearing entitled douchebag who simply doesn't deserve to be President. And luckily for America, even infinite PAC money can't make Romney competent or likable.


Bush wasn't competent or likeable either, but he was a two term president.
 
2012-09-24 10:51:00 AM
Smitty: Are you a down-in-the-dumps conservative, worried that Romney is blowing his presidential chances?

No, I'm an aggravated Conservative, adrift without a party. The fact that Romney has any presidential chances at all is the most clear indicator of the GOP's disconnect with (and/ or disdain for,) the country's needs there ever could be. Why didn't they just go full out and run one of the Koch brothers or Karl Rove? They piss me off so much, and are clearly about nothing more than allowing the rich to further exploit everything in sight, I have no choice BUT to vote for Obama
 
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