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(Talking Points Memo)   Man behind documentary claiming Obama is a US citizen but who was born to a secret Communist father is a huge Bob Dylan fan and not only has made several documentaries about the greatest musician of the past 100 years but has his own tribute band too   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 76
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2012-09-22 12:18:21 PM  
I guess "Jokerman" won't be lost on him.
 
2012-09-22 12:25:39 PM  
cdn.thedailybeast.com

"Welcome to the League of Dickless Conservative Assholes who Never Pay Attention to Lyrics."
 
2012-09-22 12:40:48 PM  
Bob Dylan chugging a drum of Purple Drank and singing through a mile-long toilet paper tube in the middle of the Krakatoa eruption makes more sense than this guy.
 
2012-09-22 12:59:21 PM  
Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.
 
2012-09-22 01:19:03 PM  
 
2012-09-22 02:05:22 PM  
I would not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned.
 
2012-09-22 02:21:27 PM  
Bob Dylan's voice is terrible. There, I said it.
 
2012-09-22 02:21:48 PM  

dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.


This.
 
2012-09-22 02:24:09 PM  
I'd rather listen to Amanda Bynes fart than listen to Bob Dylan.
 
2012-09-22 02:25:11 PM  
i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-22 02:25:39 PM  
Tangled up in derp.
 
2012-09-22 02:27:34 PM  
we've had the 'this right wing lunatic is a right wing lunatic' thread several times (today), let's go with 'Bob Dylan: Threat or Menace' this time instead.
 
2012-09-22 02:27:38 PM  
Herpway '61 Rederpeted
 
2012-09-22 02:28:44 PM  
In German, that sentence would be one word.
 
2012-09-22 02:29:09 PM  
Lost Classics of Right Wing Folk Music

Such Great hits like Poor Left Winger 

"CONELRAD keeps alive the memory of one of the strangest of pop music subgenres-conservatism-themed folk music acts of the 1960s who were promoted in an unsuccessful attempt to counter the Bob Dylans and Peter Paul & Marys of the scene. Perhaps most fascinating is Janet Greene, a former children's television personality in Ohio who was discovered by the right wing organization Christian Anti-Communism Crusade, which had Greene record a series of propagandistic songs and put her in the spotlight as the "anti-Joan Baez". The most entertaining work in her catalogue is "Poor Left Winger", a tale of woe concerning a naive girl seduced by a communist beatnik "bearded singer" mocked for his "espresso", "demonstrations", and dirty shirt:"
 
2012-09-22 02:29:33 PM  
It's alright, ma.

He's only derping.
 
2012-09-22 02:34:21 PM  
What is "Bob Dylan" and "best muscian of the last 100 years" doing in the same sentence?
 
2012-09-22 02:35:49 PM  
Barack Obama was falsely tried...
 
2012-09-22 02:36:12 PM  

dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.


I met Bob Dylan when he was younger (me too). He would not have considered either of the terms "Communist" or "Republican" as derogatory, just irrelevant. I don't know as much about his views today. In his younger days, Dylan was more a practical romantic and not overtly political. Others painted his tunes as purely political. I don't think that was true. And objectively, Bob Dylan is one of America's greatest song writers.
 
2012-09-22 02:37:25 PM  
Lie, Mittens , Lie.
 
2012-09-22 02:38:54 PM  

Delay: dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.

I met Bob Dylan when he was younger (me too). He would not have considered either of the terms "Communist" or "Republican" as derogatory, just irrelevant. I don't know as much about his views today. In his younger days, Dylan was more a practical romantic and not overtly political. Others painted his tunes as purely political. I don't think that was true. And objectively, Bob Dylan is one of America's greatest song writers.


Best Dylan quote ever on the subject:

'They're just songs.They mean what you think they mean.'
 
2012-09-22 02:40:43 PM  

the_rhino: I'd rather listen to Amanda Bynes fart than listen to Bob Dylan.


You say that like anyone can tell the difference.
 
2012-09-22 02:45:23 PM  

MFAWG: Delay: dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.

I met Bob Dylan when he was younger (me too). He would not have considered either of the terms "Communist" or "Republican" as derogatory, just irrelevant. I don't know as much about his views today. In his younger days, Dylan was more a practical romantic and not overtly political. Others painted his tunes as purely political. I don't think that was true. And objectively, Bob Dylan is one of America's greatest song writers.

Best Dylan quote ever on the subject:

'They're just songs.They mean what you think they mean.'


Exactly, Dylan's tunes connected at the emotional level with multiple generations, multiple political persuasions, multiple faiths. Pretty incredible in my mind.
 
2012-09-22 02:49:52 PM  
Obama's true secret father is Hurricane Carter.
 
2012-09-22 02:51:14 PM  

dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.


Given that so much of music opinions are just that, opinions, I wish people wouldn't toss out "greatest" casually. Greatest to you, maybe.

Bob Dylan is still massively f'ing talented and hugely influential on the last 50 years of music. Good singer, good guitarist, incredible song writer.

(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0
 
2012-09-22 02:52:14 PM  
 
2012-09-22 02:57:32 PM  

jpo2269: What is "Bob Dylan" and "best muscian of the last 100 years" doing in the same sentence?


Speaking as someone who agrees with Jann Wenner's assessment - "Bob Dylan is the greatest white male pop vocalist of the past half century; no one is better, and no one even comes very close" - I still figure that the headline is trolling.
 
2012-09-22 02:58:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster:
(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0


The Gershwin family suggests you put down the bong, hippy.

/glad he won that Oscar
//Wonder Boys is under appreciated
 
2012-09-22 03:04:48 PM  

whither_apophis: //Wonder Boys is under appreciated



 
 
2012-09-22 03:05:16 PM  

whither_apophis: Satanic_Hamster:
(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0

The Gershwin family suggests you put down the bong, hippy.


Not to mention Benny Goodman.
 
2012-09-22 03:07:05 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: whither_apophis: Satanic_Hamster:
(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0

The Gershwin family suggests you put down the bong, hippy.

Not to mention Benny Goodman.


Anyone who mentions Irving Berlin at this juncture will receive an Internet cock punch from me. Fark that guy.
 
2012-09-22 03:07:59 PM  
Oh man I love Bob Dylan. Who can forget all those great song hooks:
Here comes the story of the Derpicane
How many Herps must one man derp
All along the Kochtower

act now and you'll also receive, free with no obligation,

I ain't gonna work on Fartbama's farm no more
PLUS
Desolation Row (4 more years)
 
2012-09-22 03:09:28 PM  

dugitman: whither_apophis: //Wonder Boys is under appreciated


 


What is the secret of your power?
Won't you take me far away from the mucky muck now?
 
2012-09-22 03:10:58 PM  
us.123rf.com
With cod on our side.
 
2012-09-22 03:11:19 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-09-22 03:18:30 PM  
If B. Hussein Osama's real father is some American Communist, then George Obama is no kin to him and Dinesh D'Souza is full of crap.
 
2012-09-22 03:20:17 PM  
For some, Anything ... ANYTHING ... N. E. THING real or imagined that will put a asterisk next to Obama's presidency.

To them no price is too high to ensure history does not record America legitimately electing a black president.
 
2012-09-22 03:33:03 PM  

BMulligan: Anyone who mentions Irving Berlin at this juncture will receive an Internet cock punch from me. Fark that guy.


But you just mentioned him.

So enjoy your cock punch. You can administer it in person.
 
2012-09-22 03:34:01 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: If B. Hussein Osama's real father is some American Communist, then George Obama is no kin to him and Dinesh D'Souza is full of crap.


It's okay, Dinesh D'Souza has "ethnic immunity," so he can say whatever he wants.

Link
 
2012-09-22 03:35:17 PM  

LordOfThePings: BMulligan: Anyone who mentions Irving Berlin at this juncture will receive an Internet cock punch from me. Fark that guy.

But you just mentioned him.

So enjoy your cock punch. You can administer it in person.


Just like any other Saturday.
 
2012-09-22 03:35:25 PM  
CSB:

My father went to high school Bob Dylan in Hibbing Minnesota. The two didn't like each other on a personal level, and my father still remembers Bob Dylan making fun of my father for playing guitar, saying "What are you, a farking Oakie?". This was back when Bob Dylan was doing a little Richard impersonation in a town used to hearing Schottisches and Waltzes.

Anyway, everyone who could was leaving that town, the mines were closing and they all knew there would be no jobs. Some became mathematicians, some became carpenter's wives, some became folk musicians who couldn't sing.

Either way, the town was settled by Scandinavian immigrants (most notably Finns) and that highly influenced their political beliefs. Everyone I know from my father's side falls somewhere on the left, and a former leader of the Communist party, Gus Hall, came from Hibbing. So yeah, lyric meanings aside it's unlikely that Bob Dylan is a conservative, much less that he has anything in common with some wacked out conservative conspiracy theorist.
 
2012-09-22 03:35:29 PM  

whither_apophis: Satanic_Hamster:
(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0

The Gershwin family suggests you put down the bong, hippy.

/glad he won that Oscar
//Wonder Boys is under appreciated


No, Bloomfield.

Oh, and Al Kooper too.

Bloomfield + Kooper = SuperJew Duo!
 
2012-09-22 03:35:40 PM  
How many birth certificates must a man release
Before they call him a President?
 
2012-09-22 03:38:00 PM  

Gwyrddu: CSB:

My father went to high school Bob Dylan in Hibbing Minnesota. The two didn't like each other on a personal level, and my father still remembers Bob Dylan making fun of my father for playing guitar, saying "What are you, a farking Oakie?". This was back when Bob Dylan was doing a little Richard impersonation in a town used to hearing Schottisches and Waltzes.

Anyway, everyone who could was leaving that town, the mines were closing and they all knew there would be no jobs. Some became mathematicians, some became carpenter's wives, some became folk musicians who couldn't sing.


you're telling me a 16 year old Bob Dylan wasn't a mature fount of wisdom?

My whole worldview has changed.
 
2012-09-22 03:40:20 PM  

dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.


songwriter? If you like whiny, self-indulgent, lyrics, sure.
 
2012-09-22 03:40:22 PM  
There must be some kind of way out of here said the Derper to the Freep.
 
2012-09-22 03:43:31 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.

songwriter? If you like whiny, self-indulgent, lyrics, sure.


What a surprise. You're as farking ignorant about music as you are about everything else. The only redeeming factor I can ascribe to you is that I assume you're compostable.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:47 PM  

Delay: dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.

I met Bob Dylan when he was younger (me too). He would not have considered either of the terms "Communist" or "Republican" as derogatory, just irrelevant. I don't know as much about his views today. In his younger days, Dylan was more a practical romantic and not overtly political. Others painted his tunes as purely political. I don't think that was true. And objectively, Bob Dylan is one of America's greatest song writers.


OK I'm going to add a citation to my earlier post:

Link
 
2012-09-22 03:46:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: good guitarist


I've been wondering, on the studio recording of Don't Think Twice, It's All Right did he play the guitar part himself?
 
2012-09-22 03:51:29 PM  

BMulligan: tenpoundsofcheese: dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.

songwriter? If you like whiny, self-indulgent, lyrics, sure.

What a surprise. You're as farking ignorant about music as you are about everything else.


That's just because tenpoundsofcheese knows Rubin Carter was guilty of the Lafayette shooting.
 
2012-09-22 04:02:17 PM  

Ilmarinen: I've been wondering, on the studio recording of Don't Think Twice, It's All Right did he play the guitar part himself?


I don't see why he wouldn't. Anyone who has learned travis picking should be able to play that with some practice, and as a folk musician Bob Dylan I'm sure knows how to travis pick. It's a nice sounding tune, but you don't exactly have to be Leo Kottke to play it.

Incidentally, "Don't Think Twice" is on my song list to learn on guitar, I just haven't gotten to it yet.
 
2012-09-22 04:09:36 PM  

quatchi: There must be some kind of way out of here said the Derper to the Freep.


He did the BSG song too?? Cool
 
2012-09-22 04:13:51 PM  

Gwyrddu: Ilmarinen: I've been wondering, on the studio recording of Don't Think Twice, It's All Right did he play the guitar part himself?

I don't see why he wouldn't. Anyone who has learned travis picking should be able to play that with some practice, and as a folk musician Bob Dylan I'm sure knows how to travis pick. It's a nice sounding tune, but you don't exactly have to be Leo Kottke to play it.

Incidentally, "Don't Think Twice" is on my song list to learn on guitar, I just haven't gotten to it yet.


Uh. That's not was asked. Some other Farkers might actually know the answer to your question. I don't know the answer right now about the studio recording but I will do my best to get you the answer. My thoughts are that they had Bob Dylan play guitar on "Don't Think Twice" and why not?
 
2012-09-22 04:15:13 PM  

Ilmarinen: Satanic_Hamster: good guitarist

I've been wondering, on the studio recording of Don't Think Twice, It's All Right did he play the guitar part himself?



Its not known.  From Wiki (go to the song's page for the links to citations.):
 
It has been argued that the original album version of the song is played in a fast, fingerstyle manner by Bruce Langhorne.[3] However, Eyolf Østrem, the creator of the website dylanchords, argues it was Bob Dylan himself who played the guitar track.[4] In live performances, Dylan often strummed the chords, or flatpicks, albeit in a similar, fast-paced manner. However, the 'Witmark demos' (The Bootleg Series, Vol. 9: The Witmark Demos: 1962-1964) reveals a demo version, with Bob Dylan fingerpicking, very similar to the later recording. Furthermore, a recording of an April 1963 concert in New York (Bob dylan - Town Hall, NEW YORK CITY, New York 1963 [Bootleg]) also contains a live version of "Don't Think Twice," fingerpicked in a manner similar to that heard on the original recording. 
 
2012-09-22 04:26:38 PM  

downstairs: Ilmarinen: Satanic_Hamster: good guitarist

I've been wondering, on the studio recording of Don't Think Twice, It's All Right did he play the guitar part himself?


Its not known.  From Wiki (go to the song's page for the links to citations.):
 
It has been argued that the original album version of the song is played in a fast, fingerstyle manner by Bruce Langhorne.[3] However, Eyolf Østrem, the creator of the website dylanchords, argues it was Bob Dylan himself who played the guitar track.[4] In live performances, Dylan often strummed the chords, or flatpicks, albeit in a similar, fast-paced manner. However, the 'Witmark demos' (The Bootleg Series, Vol. 9: The Witmark Demos: 1962-1964) reveals a demo version, with Bob Dylan fingerpicking, very similar to the later recording. Furthermore, a recording of an April 1963 concert in New York (Bob dylan - Town Hall, NEW YORK CITY, New York 1963 [Bootleg]) also contains a live version of "Don't Think Twice," fingerpicked in a manner similar to that heard on the original recording.


Thanks for your input. It's pretty much all Dylan to me.
 
2012-09-22 04:30:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: whither_apophis: Satanic_Hamster:
(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0

The Gershwin family suggests you put down the bong, hippy.

/glad he won that Oscar
//Wonder Boys is under appreciated

No, Bloomfield.

Oh, and Al Kooper too.

Bloomfield + Kooper = SuperJew Duo!


If we're including duo's then Perlman + anyone of a dozen pianists doing violin and piano sonatas.
 
2012-09-22 04:33:35 PM  
The problem isn't that there are mentally ill people floating their conspiracy theories around the marketplace...it's that other people who aren't mentally ill keep encouraging them by listening to them, buying the deluded crap they churn out, and even vote for them when they run for office. WTF people?
 
2012-09-22 04:42:18 PM  
Just remember this... Even the POTUS sometimes must have to stand naked
 
2012-09-22 04:42:29 PM  

Bocasio: Lost Classics of Right Wing Folk Music

Such Great hits like Poor Left Winger 

"CONELRAD keeps alive the memory of one of the strangest of pop music subgenres-conservatism-themed folk music acts of the 1960s who were promoted in an unsuccessful attempt to counter the Bob Dylans and Peter Paul & Marys of the scene. Perhaps most fascinating is Janet Greene, a former children's television personality in Ohio who was discovered by the right wing organization Christian Anti-Communism Crusade, which had Greene record a series of propagandistic songs and put her in the spotlight as the "anti-Joan Baez". The most entertaining work in her catalogue is "Poor Left Winger", a tale of woe concerning a naive girl seduced by a communist beatnik "bearded singer" mocked for his "espresso", "demonstrations", and dirty shirt:"


This one was always a favorite of mine.
 
2012-09-22 05:23:36 PM  
Who the Hell are right wingers think they are kidding when they drop names of bands they "like"? If they were born a few decades earlier, they would be right out there burning Beatles records.

What's next? Rick perry saying that he's a fan of the Green Jello?
 
2012-09-22 05:40:56 PM  
Who know who else had a secret commie father?

morenewsandlesnessman.files.wordpress.com

/link hot but not as hot as Baily Q.
 
2012-09-22 06:07:58 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Who the Hell are right wingers think they are kidding when they drop names of bands they "like"? If they were born a few decades earlier, they would be right out there burning Beatles records.

What's next? Rick perry saying that he's a fan of the Green Jello?


Rick Santorum is a huge GWAR fan, I hear.
 
2012-09-22 06:55:24 PM  
Who cares about the political aspirations of his father? I have a father, and we couldn't be more politically different.
 
2012-09-22 08:31:04 PM  

LoneWolf343: Who cares about the political aspirations of his father? I have a father, and we couldn't be more politically different.


This.

Seriously, politics aren't genetic. If Obama was born to a Communist father, but raised by someone who WASN'T commie...what is the farking problem?

/Never mind that the only similarity the alleged "Commie dad" has to Obama is his skin color.
//They all look alike, right Republicans?
///Oh, and finally...BEING A COMMUNIST ISN'T A DISQUALIFICATION FOR OFFICE YOU REPUBLICAN FARKSTICKS
 
2012-09-22 08:33:47 PM  

MFAWG: Best Dylan quote ever on the subject:

'They're just songs.They mean what you think they mean.'


This is why I long ago gave up trying to "correctly" interpret his lyrics and just go with my gut. Isn't that what good art does? Elicit a response?

Earlier I mentioned Jokerman (one of my all time favorite songs, regardless of genre). I get Leviticus and some other obvious references, but the rest of the song still baffles the sh*t out of me. I understand what he's saying but not why. Now that I no longer think so much about it, I simply enjoy it.
 
2012-09-22 09:03:45 PM  
Deuteronomy, dammit.
 
2012-09-22 09:06:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Who the Hell are right wingers think they are kidding when they drop names of bands they "like"? If they were born a few decades earlier, they would be right out there burning Beatles records.

What's next? Rick perry saying that he's a fan of the Green Jello?


The first Republican who likes the Scissor Sisters, Goldfrapp, and M83 will earn my attention.

/listening to M83 right now - they come to my town in October
 
2012-09-22 09:23:50 PM  
The American commie father will be admitted by Obama if he loses, even if it's not true. Then you'll have the liberal constitutional experts start coming out: "you know, now that we've researched the matter, Obama wouldn't have been constitutionally eligible if his father had been that Kenyan".

There aren't any liberal constitutional experts on the hook because they've all managed to avoid commenting on the matter of natural born citizenship during all the birther stuff.
 
2012-09-22 09:40:36 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: The American commie father will be admitted by Obama if he loses, even if it's not true. Then you'll have the liberal constitutional experts start coming out: "you know, now that we've researched the matter, Obama wouldn't have been constitutionally eligible if his father had been that Kenyan".

There aren't any liberal constitutional experts on the hook because they've all managed to avoid commenting on the matter of natural born citizenship during all the birther stuff.


Since it seems like you'll believe just about anything, can you give me your e-mail address, so I can send you some info on real estate investments?
 
2012-09-23 01:17:57 AM  

dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.


I came here to say much the same thing.
 
2012-09-23 01:33:50 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: The American commie father will be admitted by Obama if he loses, even if it's not true. Then you'll have the liberal constitutional experts start coming out: "you know, now that we've researched the matter, Obama wouldn't have been constitutionally eligible if his father had been that Kenyan".

There aren't any liberal constitutional experts on the hook because they've all managed to avoid commenting on the matter of natural born citizenship during all the birther stuff.



I also don't see these so-called experts commenting on batboy. How convenient they ignore all truthful things that threaten them
 
2012-09-23 01:51:07 AM  
You're an idiot, Joel.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

Link
 
2012-09-23 10:42:26 AM  

dugitman: Greatest musician lolwat? Songwriter maybe-- depending on your taste.


Great songwriter
Ok musician
Terrible singer
 
2012-09-23 10:46:04 AM  

HighOnCraic: Lee Jackson Beauregard: If B. Hussein Osama's real father is some American Communist, then George Obama is no kin to him and Dinesh D'Souza is full of crap.

It's okay, Dinesh D'Souza has "ethnic immunity," so he can say whatever he wants.

Link


That funny, given that Indian society is built around racism/bigotry (i.e. the caste system).
 
2012-09-23 04:52:15 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: whither_apophis: Satanic_Hamster:
(actually listening to Traveling Wilburys right now)
(he's the second greatest Jewish musician ever)
(Mike Bloomfield is the greatest!)
:0

The Gershwin family suggests you put down the bong, hippy.

/glad he won that Oscar
//Wonder Boys is under appreciated

No, Bloomfield.

Oh, and Al Kooper too.

Bloomfield + Kooper = SuperJew Duo!


Bloomfield was a outstanding blues guitarist. Way ahead of almost everybody at the time. He was just plain weird.
Al Kooper was just a oppurtunist.
 
2012-09-23 05:12:25 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: HighOnCraic: Lee Jackson Beauregard: If B. Hussein Osama's real father is some American Communist, then George Obama is no kin to him and Dinesh D'Souza is full of crap.

It's okay, Dinesh D'Souza has "ethnic immunity," so he can say whatever he wants.

Link

That funny, given that Indian society is built around racism/bigotry (i.e. the caste system).


Indeed, it seems like he believes in setting up a similar caste system here, with Asians on top. But don't you dare criticize him--because that would make you the racist.
 
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