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(SFGate)   Yet another obesity related study of carbonated drinks that will leave you soda pressed   (sfgate.com ) divider line 71
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2012-09-22 10:00:26 AM  
This headline pops!
 
2012-09-22 10:09:31 AM  
I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive
 
2012-09-22 11:52:46 AM  
Sodapressed because soda is sofa king bad
 
2012-09-22 01:04:08 PM  
I'm quite addicted to club soda, so damn happy.
 
2012-09-22 01:06:01 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


It's the same thing that's in oranges and other fruit. A scientician who is a professor of science at the university of science told me so.
 
2012-09-22 01:07:42 PM  
Nice to know people aren't capable of eating/drinking moderately.
 
2012-09-22 01:20:21 PM  
Cutting out HFCS has been a fantastic change for me. I still drink brown sugar water, but the cane sugar only (Sodastream - love it) is significantly less bad, so I consider that a step in the right direction.

Go grocery shopping and spend the extra twelve cents on stuff that's NOT crammed full of sugar and salt. A nickel more for fruit packed in water, a dime more for whole wheat pasta, and a quarter more for better pasta sauce. It's amazing how much crap there is in the Walmart brand generics.

/50 pounds lost since I started in January
//One small change at a time to minimize aversion
///Still a fatty, just less of one
 
2012-09-22 01:28:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


Was thinking how I wished there was real sugar cane in the sodas instead of HFCS when I saw the picture.
 
2012-09-22 01:28:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now


Being as HFCS is a mixture of sucrose and glucose, both of which are sugar, I'm not seeing what is deceptive about it. It's not the same thing as table sugar, but both table sugar and HFCS both lie in the category of sugar.
 
2012-09-22 01:32:33 PM  
I'm going to take another attempt at home made root beer next weekend. Haven't had much luck getting my mix right. Anyone have suggestions? I have cinnamon sticks, licorice root, sarsaparilla, vanilla (extract, but I have 1 bean available. They're expensive, so I want to save it for when I get it right), star anise, cane and brown sugar, and I bottle carbonate with ale yeast.

Tips would be much appreciated.
 
2012-09-22 01:35:03 PM  
That adds weight to the push for taxes, portion limits like the one just adopted in New York City, and other policies to curb consumption of soda, juice drinks and sports beverages sweetened with sugar.

Ah, I wondered when they'd take this spin.

I quit drinking soft drinks years ago because I wanted to, not because someone passed a law forcing me to.

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2012-09-22 01:36:33 PM  

MoronLessOff: I'm going to take another attempt at home made root beer next weekend. Haven't had much luck getting my mix right. Anyone have suggestions? I have cinnamon sticks, licorice root, sarsaparilla, vanilla (extract, but I have 1 bean available. They're expensive, so I want to save it for when I get it right), star anise, cane and brown sugar, and I bottle carbonate with ale yeast.

Tips would be much appreciated.


Maybe some fennel?
 
2012-09-22 01:54:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


Did you ever see those commercials talking about how HFCS is the same as regular sugar? I thought that was some pretty bold shiat. More proof that these companies care more about their bottom lines than their the health of their customers.

For those of you who think all sugar is the same: Link
 
2012-09-22 01:54:50 PM  
I pretty much quit drinking soda (might do it when I'm down for some good root beer or sangria soda), but now I have a problem with delicious baked goods.
 
2012-09-22 02:00:06 PM  

Gwyrddu: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

Being as HFCS is a mixture of sucrose and glucose, both of which are sugar, I'm not seeing what is deceptive about it. It's not the same thing as table sugar, but both table sugar and HFCS both lie in the category of sugar.


Our bodies are designed to optimally process glucose, not fructose. One of the main issues with HFCS is that the biological pathways that tell your to stop eating are triggered by glucose. It's less of a problem with sucrose because glucose and fructose are in even proportions. HFCS has an uneven proportion so the pathways don't get triggered and people overeat.
 
2012-09-22 02:10:36 PM  

greentea1985: Our bodies are designed to optimally process glucose, not fructose. One of the main issues with HFCS is that the biological pathways that tell your to stop eating are triggered by glucose. It's less of a problem with sucrose because glucose and fructose are in even proportions. HFCS has an uneven proportion so the pathways don't get triggered and people overeat.


But HFCS comes in different ratios. Are you saying that if manufactures switched from HFCS-55 in soft drinks which is 55% fructose and 42% glucose to HFCS-42 which is 42% fructose and 53% glucose, that not only would the issues specific to HFCS be avoided, but the HFCS-42 would be a healthier option than adding table sugar to soft drinks?
 
2012-09-22 02:11:43 PM  
I'd like to point out that the article says nothing about carbonated drinks; it is focused on calorie-rich drinks.
 
2012-09-22 02:17:27 PM  

xiaodown: I'd like to point out that the article says nothing about carbonated drinks; it is focused on calorie-rich drinks.


Yeah, the results seems pretty obvious because of that. A test of real fruit juice vs. soda would have been more enlightening (although Via Infinito linked study is similar to that).
 
2012-09-22 02:24:49 PM  

Via Infinito: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive

Did you ever see those commercials talking about how HFCS is the same as regular sugar? I thought that was some pretty bold shiat. More proof that these companies care more about their bottom lines than their the health of their customers.

For those of you who think all sugar is the same: Link


You just keep your hippie facts out of Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Texas where it's illegal to disparage the food industry.
 
2012-09-22 02:45:49 PM  
Soda is best described NOT as a beverage, but as liquid dessert. It should be used accordingly.

No, sugar vs HFCS will not make a difference. You will still be a fatty.

No, "diet" soda isn't any better for you. It's just problematic in different ways than regular soda.


Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.
 
2012-09-22 02:55:47 PM  

Corn_Fed: No, "diet" soda isn't any better for you. It's just problematic in different ways than regular soda.


If weight gain is the issue, "diet" soda is certainly better. Though too much of it will stimulate insulin release, a can or two a day won't interfere with weight loss.
 
2012-09-22 03:11:03 PM  

Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.


If you are lactose tolerant, I believe milk might actually be your best choice, as it has been linked to weight loss. Fruits and fruit juice (not the stuff with added HFCS) isn't a bad choice either, especially with added vitamins you get over empty soda calories.
 
2012-09-22 03:23:11 PM  

Hebalo: Corn_Fed: No, "diet" soda isn't any better for you. It's just problematic in different ways than regular soda.

If weight gain is the issue, "diet" soda is certainly better. Though too much of it will stimulate insulin release, a can or two a day won't interfere with weight loss.


Overall health should be the issue, of which weight loss is just one factor. Artificial sweeteners are pretty awful things.

Truly, the healthiest thing you can drink is plenty of plain water.
 
2012-09-22 03:30:44 PM  
realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off
 
2012-09-22 03:35:17 PM  

gittlebass: realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off


I stopped drinking sodas altogether in 1990. Over a 10-month period I lost 56 pounds.
 
2012-09-22 03:36:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


What they should be saying is sweetener, but HFCS is equally as unhealthy as cane sugar.
 
2012-09-22 03:43:45 PM  

Hebalo: If weight gain is the issue, "diet" soda is certainly better. Though too much of it will stimulate insulin release, a can or two a day won't interfere with weight loss.


No, actually it's not. Diet sodas generally tend to have more sodium in them. Also, artificial sweeteners can cause serious issues for some people (Yours Truly included). Go look up the potential side effects of Nutrasweet (aspartame) and read down the entire list. I can tell you first hand that some of the more frightening symptoms do actually occur.

If you're going to eliminate soda in order to lose weight, switch to unsweetened iced tea, and only drink a glass or two per day. If you drink it with absolutely no sweeteners, you will quickly get used to the taste, to the point that an accidental encounter with a sweetened iced tea will make it seem like you're drinking syrup.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:19 PM  

gittlebass: realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off


am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:44 PM  

Gwyrddu: Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.

If you are lactose tolerant, I believe milk might actually be your best choice, as it has been linked to weight loss. Fruits and fruit juice (not the stuff with added HFCS) isn't a bad choice either, especially with added vitamins you get over empty soda calories.


Eh, the jury is out on that.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:55 PM  
I'm not overweight, but I dropped half a stone in about 6 months when I switched to non-sugar soda, doing literally nothing else differently (I'm no sedentary and exercise regularly, but I did the before too), drinking about 2 or 3 cans a day

Sugared drinks are wicked. End of.


/of course, the artificial sweeteners are probably giving me cancer, but what can you do.
 
2012-09-22 03:51:54 PM  
The real problem is with refined sugar, which is found in just about every preprared food. Even if you overall the soda industries, there are still tons of other products that contain unhealthy amounts of refined sugar.
 
2012-09-22 03:52:09 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.


Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.
 
2012-09-22 03:59:32 PM  

Bungles: I'm not overweight, but I dropped half a stone in about 6 months when I switched to non-sugar soda, doing literally nothing else differently (I'm no sedentary and exercise regularly, but I did the before too), drinking about 2 or 3 cans a day

Sugared drinks are wicked. End of.


/of course, the artificial sweeteners are probably giving me cancer, but what can you do.


Try using agave. While it's not healthier than sugar, it's much sweeter, meaning that you can use less of it to achieve the same level of sweetness.
 
2012-09-22 04:01:47 PM  
Rootbeer needs some wintergreen and sassafrass if you can get it.
 
2012-09-22 04:01:56 PM  
I haven't had a soda in 3 years. I cut out most desserty stuff in Dec. I just can't give up my Cinnamon toast crunch. I think I've gained weight by eating other stuff in place of it, but I guess it's a start at least. I think my teeth are happier though.
 
2012-09-22 04:07:03 PM  

StealthStalker: I haven't had a soda in 3 years. I cut out most desserty stuff in Dec. I just can't give up my Cinnamon toast crunch. I think I've gained weight by eating other stuff in place of it, but I guess it's a start at least. I think my teeth are happier though.



I was abroad when I cracked a tooth, and had to wait 4 weeks to get it properly fixed. Anything sugary hurt like childbirth, but it was fine the rest of the time.

I suspect that the obesity problem in the US would vanish is everyone had a hole drilled in one of their teeth.
 
2012-09-22 04:12:18 PM  
Not like I have anything to live for anyway.
 
2012-09-22 04:17:20 PM  

Bungles: StealthStalker: I haven't had a soda in 3 years. I cut out most desserty stuff in Dec. I just can't give up my Cinnamon toast crunch. I think I've gained weight by eating other stuff in place of it, but I guess it's a start at least. I think my teeth are happier though.


I was abroad when I cracked a tooth, and had to wait 4 weeks to get it properly fixed. Anything sugary hurt like childbirth, but it was fine the rest of the time.

I suspect that the obesity problem in the US would vanish is everyone had a hole drilled in one of their teeth.


Yeah, I agree completely.

I had my top two Wisdom teeth and the teeth in-front of them removed back in Dec. I think you can see a pattern here. My Wisdom teeth had came in nearly on top and at an angle of the two in-front on both sides, and were impacted. Both sides had a hole develop/etc. I haven't had a Pop-Tart or similar item in long time, because the jelly-like filling would get back there and ruin my day.
 
2012-09-22 04:17:51 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.


No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.
 
2012-09-22 04:22:32 PM  

thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.


But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(
 
2012-09-22 04:34:03 PM  

halfbeard: Rootbeer needs some wintergreen and sassafrass if you can get it.


I think I have some wintergreen. I'm trying to make a good small half gallon batch first to get my portions right before I upscale. Last batch had WAY too much yeast. It foamed really well, but tasted like awful beer. I hear yucca is a good foaming agent as well. Anyone have suggestions for cherry or orange flavoring? Would it go well with root beer? Sweet or bitter orange?
 
2012-09-22 04:36:26 PM  

StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(


Barely tastes a lot better than rice, especially when you cook it with chicken/meat/vegetable broth. It's also insanely cheap and much healthier.

As for pasta, I think what I really miss is the convenience and the sauce, but farro goes well with various kinds of pasta sauce.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:13 PM  

thornhill:

Barely tastes a lot better than rice, especially when you cook it with chicken/meat/vegetable broth. It's also insanely cheap and much healthier. ...


Cutting out entire types of food usually doesn't lead to permanent lifelong weight loss, because eventually people start craving them again, and return to their old eating habits.

I did that a bunch of times (Atkins low carb, and then low fat diets, then other types of diets), and always gained it all back.

It wasn't until I just accepted the fact that I love all different types of foods, and that I would never be able to forever banish carbs, or ice cream, or whatever.....and just decided to eat whatever type of food I wanted, but just eat less of it. Specifically, I ate exactly half of what I had been eating.

I lost 100 pounds, and have kept it off for years now. Being able to eat whatever I'm in the mood for means I never crave any particular food, but I only eat a reasonable portion of whatever it is.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:33 PM  

StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(


You have to be careful you can become anorexic be weary of vegetarianism and vegan diets. I got sick doing it and had to eat meat again while in treatment to get well again.
 
2012-09-22 04:53:23 PM  
That being said, there are a thousand different ways to successfully lose weight. Everyone should simply pick the one that works for them.
 
2012-09-22 04:53:42 PM  

Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.


Been losing roughly 10 pounds a month since completely quitting soda. I drink mostly water now, maybe the occasional Perrier because I love the carbonation. Tea for the caffeine.

Feel so much better it's not even funny.. I used to be the kind of guy that would down 2 20oz mountain dews in a sitting, now even a single swig of the stuff is just sickening.
 
2012-09-22 04:59:08 PM  

alice_600: StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(

You have to be careful you can become anorexic be weary of vegetarianism and vegan diets. I got sick doing it and had to eat meat again while in ...


Right. I'm very careful about making sure I eat enough protein each day. I always eat a lot of beans with my lunch, having at least one serving of plain greek yogurt (mixed with a little honey for flavor), as well as mix tempeh into my meals. I also still eat fish.
 
2012-09-22 05:00:11 PM  
Topo Chico bottles a water with a bit of lime juice, but no sweetener at all. It's bubbly, has flavor, and zero calories. It's a great alternative.
 
2012-09-22 05:01:00 PM  

Corn_Fed: thornhill:

Barely tastes a lot better than rice, especially when you cook it with chicken/meat/vegetable broth. It's also insanely cheap and much healthier. ...

Cutting out entire types of food usually doesn't lead to permanent lifelong weight loss, because eventually people start craving them again, and return to their old eating habits.

.


What's key is that for everything I've cut out, I've found a substitute that I like as much or better. Thus, I don't crave what's been eliminated.
 
2012-09-22 05:01:30 PM  

TsukasaK: Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.

Been losing roughly 10 pounds a month since completely quitting soda. I drink mostly water now, maybe the occasional Perrier because I love the carbonation. Tea for the caffeine.

Feel so much better it's not even funny.. I used to be the kind of guy that would down 2 20oz mountain dews in a sitting, now even a single swig of the stuff is just sickening.


That's great, congratulations! Yeah, it's amazing how refreshing water is, after years of living on soda.
 
2012-09-22 05:17:36 PM  
ww1.hdnux.com

The article linked is all over the place.

The experiments are mixed in with the opinions of the researchers.

Which part is correlation and which parts are the scientists guessing at causation?

After 18 months, the sugary-drink group weighed 2 pounds more on average than the other group.


Is 2lbs significant? I can weigh up to 10lbs differently depending on what I ate for dinner last night.

The 2lb could be the extra water retained from the salt in drinking the soda.


I don't think we should be using iffy studies to base national policies. There have been too many of them already and it's those policies that have gotten us here.
 
2012-09-22 05:21:36 PM  

thornhill: alice_600: StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(

You have to be careful you can become anorexic be weary of vegetarianism and vegan diets. I got sick doing it and had to eat meat agai ...



Honey is pure fructose, esp if you get the cheap ones since the Chinese found a way to remove pollen from the honey.

Also, in the vegan diet, protein is not the problem, it's not getting enough fat. Diabetes is known in India as the vegan's disease.
And, getting it from soyabean/canola oil isn't good.
 
2012-09-22 05:39:29 PM  

GilRuiz1: That adds weight to the push for taxes, portion limits like the one just adopted in New York City, and other policies to curb consumption of soda, juice drinks and sports beverages sweetened with sugar.

Ah, I wondered when they'd take this spin.

I quit drinking soft drinks years ago because I wanted to, not because someone passed a law forcing me to.

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GilRuiz1, not understanding a damn thing since 2004.
 
2012-09-22 06:02:02 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: GilRuiz1, not understanding a damn thing since 2004.


Oh, I understand how it works quite well:

When it's those other guys wagging their disapproving finger, then it's fascism and meddling in people's private business.

When it's our guys wagging their disapproving finger, then it's sensible and good and there is nothing wrong with it at all. 

Prohibitionists come in all stripes, but they're only wrong and bad and dumb when it's someone else's prohibitionists.
 
2012-09-22 07:12:12 PM  

mr0x: [ww1.hdnux.com image 628x464]

The article linked is all over the place.

The experiments are mixed in with the opinions of the researchers.

Which part is correlation and which parts are the scientists guessing at causation?

After 18 months, the sugary-drink group weighed 2 pounds more on average than the other group.

Is 2lbs significant? I can weigh up to 10lbs differently depending on what I ate for dinner last night.

The 2lb could be the extra water retained from the salt in drinking the soda.


I don't think we should be using iffy studies to base national policies. There have been too many of them already and it's those policies that have gotten us here.


I hope that national policy would be based on the actual reports that the scientists wrote, and not a dumbed down rehash for a newspaper (assuming that the journalist that wrote it isn't an idiot to boot). Of course, with the Republican party these days I think it would be a step up if they'd even read a newspaper summary of some actual science.
 
2012-09-22 07:33:00 PM  

greentea1985: Gwyrddu: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

Being as HFCS is a mixture of sucrose and glucose, both of which are sugar, I'm not seeing what is deceptive about it. It's not the same thing as table sugar, but both table sugar and HFCS both lie in the category of sugar.

Our bodies are designed to optimally process glucose, not fructose. One of the main issues with HFCS is that the biological pathways that tell your to stop eating are triggered by glucose. It's less of a problem with sucrose because glucose and fructose are in even proportions. HFCS has an uneven proportion so the pathways don't get triggered and people overeat.


Plus, HFCS doesn't taste as sweet, so more of it gets used. Thus why HFCS sweetened drinks feel gloopy compared to cane- or beet-sugar drinks of the same sweetness.

Also, it means you're eating more sugar for the same effect.
 
2012-09-22 07:37:00 PM  

Corn_Fed:
Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.


Actually, if I drink nothing but water, I start to feel anemic very quickly. Coffee and tea, man, coffee and tea.

/and sometimes Coke but rarely more than 2l/day

/have weighed 190 for the past 16-17 years, have metabolism of a hummingbird

/NECTAR, I NEED NECTAR
 
2012-09-22 08:02:23 PM  
Proud to say I've only had 5 pops since March.

/Why yes, I have lost weight.
 
2012-09-22 08:56:02 PM  
Maybe we could cut back on HFCS... oh wait, we're not the ones putting it in all our food products!!!
 
2012-09-22 09:44:17 PM  
I drink sugar laden sodas every day.

I eat lots of carbohydrates, and foods high in fat and salt.

/Low blood pressure
//145 pounds
///Starting to see a bit of gut fat these days at the age of 27 years. Might have to start *Gasp* exercising.
////My sedentary lifestyle may kill me from pulled and torn muscles and ligaments, but not obesity.
 
2012-09-22 09:54:14 PM  

metal_gear: Maybe we could cut back on HFCS... oh wait, we're not the ones putting it in all our food products!!!


Just out of curiosity, I checked the labels on food in my cupboard. Nothing in my cupboard had HFCS on the ingredient list, although at least three items had sugar listed.
 
2012-09-22 11:34:38 PM  
At 200 calories a drink I cut out over a 1000 calories a day by quitting Coke. I drink one on Saturdays now and it's always the best tasting Coke I've ever had.

I drink ice water now just like when I was a kid
 
2012-09-22 11:57:22 PM  

mr0x: Honey is pure fructose, esp if you get the cheap ones since the Chinese found a way to remove pollen from the honey.


Honey isn't just pure fructose; if the pollen is removed, it's no longer honey, but honey-flavored substance. Just because it's sold as honey doesn't mean that it actually is. For example, Sue Bee trademarked the phrase "Pure Sue Bee Honey" so they could put "100% Pure Sue Bee Honey" on the bottle, even though the product isn't 100% real honey. I'm not saying that you should gorge yourself on honey, mind you, but then again, you can't on real honey, with the pollen in it. Just try it for yourself - find some local, unpasteurized honey and see how many consecutive spoonfuls you can down. It won't be very many. Try the same experiment with "pure sue bee honey", and you'll get a lot more down. It's like the difference between eating banana pudding and raw bananas. If you can eat 3 whole raw bananas, even if you're really hungry, you're abnormal. But you can probably put away a ton of pudding.
 
2012-09-23 05:58:04 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: Go look up the potential side effects of Nutrasweet (aspartame) and read down the entire list. I can tell you first hand that some of the more frightening symptoms do actually occur.


Go look up the potential side effects of literally anything ever studied scientifically -- as opposed to the foods we blindly assume are safe for no reason other that they were popular at the time we started making rules -- and you'll see an equally long list of side effects with similar rates of occurrence. I'm not saying there can't be problems with a particular substance, or that certain people won't suffer unusually bad effects, but being "natural" doesn't make things safe and it's absurd to compared a list of carefully catalogued reactions from substance A to layman's wisdom about the safety of substance B.

/ It's also worthwhile to compare the risk of adverse reaction from the common intake levels of aspartame to the risks associated with other everyday activities, but that would require actual math and not just a belief that chemistry is evil
 
2012-09-23 06:28:25 AM  

untaken_name: It's like the difference between eating banana pudding and raw bananas. If you can eat 3 whole raw bananas, even if you're really hungry, you're abnormal. But you can probably put away a ton of pudding.


Ignoring the general "you can eat more pudding than bananas" claim, for which you provide no evidence or reasoning, banana pudding is not bananas with some tiny component removed. If you're thinking instant pudding it's typically cornstarch and milk plus a small amount of some flavoring agent, like a banana. If you're thinking custard it's mostly eggs and milk plus a small amount of some flavoring agent, like a banana. So even accepting the claimed difference in acceptable portion sizes you claim I don't understand the comparison to honey.

Beyond that, the "pollen-filtered honey isn't real honey" is at least 50% a marketing ploy by honey producers. There are plenty of practical reasons you don't want to eat illegally-imported foodstuffs, and pollen-free honey posses a higher risk than average of being such a thing, so you might want to avoid it on those grounds. But I seriously doubt that pollen is a protectant against the supposed dangers of fructose, and further doubt that re-adding pollen to pollen-filtered honey would keep you from eating as much as you would of the pollen-filtered variety. If you'd like to claim otherwise you'll at least need to explain your reasoning, because such a claim certainly doesn't apply to things like adding similar amounts of dirt or salt or the like to other foods (which are frequently contaminated with organic material in similar proportions to the pollen content of raw honey).

You move on to comment on pasteurization without describing how you think that changes things, but I'd guess one of the reasons you can't choke down a lot of "raw" honey is because it's fully of wax which is generally unappetizing. Wax is present to some degree or another in all honey unless you go through a lot of effort to remove it; the big chunks are easy enough to scoop out but the processing necessary to remove honey from the combs necessarily integrates non-trivial amounts of wax into the honey, and most raw honey producers do little to remove this wax. Raw producers also do nothing to remove this bits of bee that naturally occur in honey; those are at least digestible (unlike wax) -- I suppose telling people that raw honey has more dead bee bits in it would probably make them eat less of it. Is that what you were getting at?
 
2012-09-23 10:24:13 AM  

Gwyrddu: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

Being as HFCS is a mixture of sucrose and glucose, both of which are sugar, I'm not seeing what is deceptive about it. It's not the same thing as table sugar, but both table sugar and HFCS both lie in the category of sugar.


Med student here

Yes, they are both sugar. But the prob with the ads is that they're saying you're body doesn't know the difference when it certainly does.

Yes glucose is the same, but fructose bypasses a key regulatory step in glycolysis which basically is the beginning of the process in which we process sugar and store excess sugar as fat. So normally with glucose, which yes it also contains, too much end products shut this shiat down. With fructose, that doesn't happen and fat storage is aloud to continue uninhibited.

In addition, sucrose which is table sugar, needs to be broken down first into glucose and fructose, which slows this process.

So again, you end up with glucose and fructose, but in even proportions in a slower process in which half of the substrate (glucose) provides feedback inhibition to the process of storing fat as I mentioned above. HFCS has much more fructose than glucose. Herein lies the prob.

Haphazard explanation, sorry
 
2012-09-23 10:27:54 AM  

untaken_name: If you can eat 3 whole raw bananas, even if you're really hungry, you're abnormal. But you can probably put away a ton of pudding.


By "whole raw bananas" you still mean throwing away the skin, right?

I ate five once. Mom yelled at me for eating most of the bananas.

/the green ones are the best because they're not as mushy
 
2012-09-24 01:19:32 AM  

Gwyrddu: metal_gear: Maybe we could cut back on HFCS... oh wait, we're not the ones putting it in all our food products!!!

Just out of curiosity, I checked the labels on food in my cupboard. Nothing in my cupboard had HFCS on the ingredient list, although at least three items had sugar listed.


... and did you put it in there?
 
2012-09-24 10:08:40 AM  

untaken_name: mr0x: Honey is pure fructose, esp if you get the cheap ones since the Chinese found a way to remove pollen from the honey.

Honey isn't just pure fructose; if the pollen is removed, it's no longer honey, but honey-flavored substance. Just because it's sold as honey doesn't mean that it actually is. For example, Sue Bee trademarked the phrase "Pure Sue Bee Honey" so they could put "100% Pure Sue Bee Honey" on the bottle, even though the product isn't 100% real honey. I'm not saying that you should gorge yourself on honey, mind you, but then again, you can't on real honey, with the pollen in it. Just try it for yourself - find some local, unpasteurized honey and see how many consecutive spoonfuls you can down. It won't be very many. Try the same experiment with "pure sue bee honey", and you'll get a lot more down. It's like the difference between eating banana pudding and raw bananas. If you can eat 3 whole raw bananas, even if you're really hungry, you're abnormal. But you can probably put away a ton of pudding.


If you don't eat your mean, you can't have any pudding.

\How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
 
2012-09-24 10:10:03 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: gittlebass: realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off

am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.


Perhaps you should not have replaced that soda with lard milkshakes...
 
2012-09-25 01:18:39 PM  

CWeinerWV: Med student here

Yes, they are both sugar. But the prob with the ads is that they're saying you're body doesn't know the difference when it certainly does.

Yes glucose is the same, but fructose bypasses a key regulatory step in glycolysis which basically is the beginning of the process in which we process sugar and store excess sugar as fat. So normally with glucose, which yes it also contains, too much end products shut this shiat down. With fructose, that doesn't happen and fat storage is aloud to continue uninhibited.

In addition, sucrose which is table sugar, needs to be broken down first into glucose and fructose, which slows this process.

So again, you end up with glucose and fructose, but in even proportions in a slower process in which half of the substrate (glucose) provides feedback inhibition to the process of storing fat as I mentioned above. HFCS has much more fructose than glucose. Herein lies the prob.

Haphazard explanation, sorry



I have been told that sucrase that breaks sucrose into glucose and fructose quickly enough that eating table sugar or the equivalent glucose and fructose mixture has the same reaction to the body. Researchers say HFCS is evil because it is 10 times cheaper than sugar and so food companies can put more of it on everything not because of the fructose/glucose reaction compared to sugar.

HFCS also has HFCS 42 that is used in beverages that is 42% fructose and 53% glucose. They used the term fructose in HFCS probably because fructose was considered a good sugar by the medical community a few years ago - word comes from fruits, does not cause insulin reaction and is sweeter at same concentrations.
 
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