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2012-09-22 10:00:26 AM
This headline pops!
 
2012-09-22 10:09:31 AM
I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive
 
2012-09-22 11:52:46 AM
Sodapressed because soda is sofa king bad
 
2012-09-22 01:04:08 PM
I'm quite addicted to club soda, so damn happy.
 
2012-09-22 01:06:01 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


It's the same thing that's in oranges and other fruit. A scientician who is a professor of science at the university of science told me so.
 
2012-09-22 01:07:42 PM
Nice to know people aren't capable of eating/drinking moderately.
 
2012-09-22 01:20:21 PM
Cutting out HFCS has been a fantastic change for me. I still drink brown sugar water, but the cane sugar only (Sodastream - love it) is significantly less bad, so I consider that a step in the right direction.

Go grocery shopping and spend the extra twelve cents on stuff that's NOT crammed full of sugar and salt. A nickel more for fruit packed in water, a dime more for whole wheat pasta, and a quarter more for better pasta sauce. It's amazing how much crap there is in the Walmart brand generics.

/50 pounds lost since I started in January
//One small change at a time to minimize aversion
///Still a fatty, just less of one
 
2012-09-22 01:28:06 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


Was thinking how I wished there was real sugar cane in the sodas instead of HFCS when I saw the picture.
 
2012-09-22 01:28:40 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now


Being as HFCS is a mixture of sucrose and glucose, both of which are sugar, I'm not seeing what is deceptive about it. It's not the same thing as table sugar, but both table sugar and HFCS both lie in the category of sugar.
 
2012-09-22 01:32:33 PM
I'm going to take another attempt at home made root beer next weekend. Haven't had much luck getting my mix right. Anyone have suggestions? I have cinnamon sticks, licorice root, sarsaparilla, vanilla (extract, but I have 1 bean available. They're expensive, so I want to save it for when I get it right), star anise, cane and brown sugar, and I bottle carbonate with ale yeast.

Tips would be much appreciated.
 
2012-09-22 01:35:03 PM
That adds weight to the push for taxes, portion limits like the one just adopted in New York City, and other policies to curb consumption of soda, juice drinks and sports beverages sweetened with sugar.

Ah, I wondered when they'd take this spin.

I quit drinking soft drinks years ago because I wanted to, not because someone passed a law forcing me to.

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2012-09-22 01:36:33 PM

MoronLessOff: I'm going to take another attempt at home made root beer next weekend. Haven't had much luck getting my mix right. Anyone have suggestions? I have cinnamon sticks, licorice root, sarsaparilla, vanilla (extract, but I have 1 bean available. They're expensive, so I want to save it for when I get it right), star anise, cane and brown sugar, and I bottle carbonate with ale yeast.

Tips would be much appreciated.


Maybe some fennel?
 
2012-09-22 01:54:06 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


Did you ever see those commercials talking about how HFCS is the same as regular sugar? I thought that was some pretty bold shiat. More proof that these companies care more about their bottom lines than their the health of their customers.

For those of you who think all sugar is the same: Link
 
2012-09-22 01:54:50 PM
I pretty much quit drinking soda (might do it when I'm down for some good root beer or sangria soda), but now I have a problem with delicious baked goods.
 
2012-09-22 02:00:06 PM

Gwyrddu: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

Being as HFCS is a mixture of sucrose and glucose, both of which are sugar, I'm not seeing what is deceptive about it. It's not the same thing as table sugar, but both table sugar and HFCS both lie in the category of sugar.


Our bodies are designed to optimally process glucose, not fructose. One of the main issues with HFCS is that the biological pathways that tell your to stop eating are triggered by glucose. It's less of a problem with sucrose because glucose and fructose are in even proportions. HFCS has an uneven proportion so the pathways don't get triggered and people overeat.
 
2012-09-22 02:10:36 PM

greentea1985: Our bodies are designed to optimally process glucose, not fructose. One of the main issues with HFCS is that the biological pathways that tell your to stop eating are triggered by glucose. It's less of a problem with sucrose because glucose and fructose are in even proportions. HFCS has an uneven proportion so the pathways don't get triggered and people overeat.


But HFCS comes in different ratios. Are you saying that if manufactures switched from HFCS-55 in soft drinks which is 55% fructose and 42% glucose to HFCS-42 which is 42% fructose and 53% glucose, that not only would the issues specific to HFCS be avoided, but the HFCS-42 would be a healthier option than adding table sugar to soft drinks?
 
2012-09-22 02:11:43 PM
I'd like to point out that the article says nothing about carbonated drinks; it is focused on calorie-rich drinks.
 
2012-09-22 02:17:27 PM

xiaodown: I'd like to point out that the article says nothing about carbonated drinks; it is focused on calorie-rich drinks.


Yeah, the results seems pretty obvious because of that. A test of real fruit juice vs. soda would have been more enlightening (although Via Infinito linked study is similar to that).
 
2012-09-22 02:24:49 PM

Via Infinito: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive

Did you ever see those commercials talking about how HFCS is the same as regular sugar? I thought that was some pretty bold shiat. More proof that these companies care more about their bottom lines than their the health of their customers.

For those of you who think all sugar is the same: Link


You just keep your hippie facts out of Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Texas where it's illegal to disparage the food industry.
 
2012-09-22 02:45:49 PM
Soda is best described NOT as a beverage, but as liquid dessert. It should be used accordingly.

No, sugar vs HFCS will not make a difference. You will still be a fatty.

No, "diet" soda isn't any better for you. It's just problematic in different ways than regular soda.


Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.
 
2012-09-22 02:55:47 PM

Corn_Fed: No, "diet" soda isn't any better for you. It's just problematic in different ways than regular soda.


If weight gain is the issue, "diet" soda is certainly better. Though too much of it will stimulate insulin release, a can or two a day won't interfere with weight loss.
 
2012-09-22 03:11:03 PM

Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.


If you are lactose tolerant, I believe milk might actually be your best choice, as it has been linked to weight loss. Fruits and fruit juice (not the stuff with added HFCS) isn't a bad choice either, especially with added vitamins you get over empty soda calories.
 
2012-09-22 03:23:11 PM

Hebalo: Corn_Fed: No, "diet" soda isn't any better for you. It's just problematic in different ways than regular soda.

If weight gain is the issue, "diet" soda is certainly better. Though too much of it will stimulate insulin release, a can or two a day won't interfere with weight loss.


Overall health should be the issue, of which weight loss is just one factor. Artificial sweeteners are pretty awful things.

Truly, the healthiest thing you can drink is plenty of plain water.
 
2012-09-22 03:30:44 PM
realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off
 
2012-09-22 03:35:17 PM

gittlebass: realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off


I stopped drinking sodas altogether in 1990. Over a 10-month period I lost 56 pounds.
 
2012-09-22 03:36:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how they just refer to HFCS as 'sugar' now

/not the least bit deceptive


What they should be saying is sweetener, but HFCS is equally as unhealthy as cane sugar.
 
2012-09-22 03:43:45 PM

Hebalo: If weight gain is the issue, "diet" soda is certainly better. Though too much of it will stimulate insulin release, a can or two a day won't interfere with weight loss.


No, actually it's not. Diet sodas generally tend to have more sodium in them. Also, artificial sweeteners can cause serious issues for some people (Yours Truly included). Go look up the potential side effects of Nutrasweet (aspartame) and read down the entire list. I can tell you first hand that some of the more frightening symptoms do actually occur.

If you're going to eliminate soda in order to lose weight, switch to unsweetened iced tea, and only drink a glass or two per day. If you drink it with absolutely no sweeteners, you will quickly get used to the taste, to the point that an accidental encounter with a sweetened iced tea will make it seem like you're drinking syrup.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:19 PM

gittlebass: realized this 6 years ago, cut out alcohol and soda's, dropped 200lbs and kept it off


am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:44 PM

Gwyrddu: Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.

If you are lactose tolerant, I believe milk might actually be your best choice, as it has been linked to weight loss. Fruits and fruit juice (not the stuff with added HFCS) isn't a bad choice either, especially with added vitamins you get over empty soda calories.


Eh, the jury is out on that.
 
2012-09-22 03:44:55 PM
I'm not overweight, but I dropped half a stone in about 6 months when I switched to non-sugar soda, doing literally nothing else differently (I'm no sedentary and exercise regularly, but I did the before too), drinking about 2 or 3 cans a day

Sugared drinks are wicked. End of.


/of course, the artificial sweeteners are probably giving me cancer, but what can you do.
 
2012-09-22 03:51:54 PM
The real problem is with refined sugar, which is found in just about every preprared food. Even if you overall the soda industries, there are still tons of other products that contain unhealthy amounts of refined sugar.
 
2012-09-22 03:52:09 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.


Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.
 
2012-09-22 03:59:32 PM

Bungles: I'm not overweight, but I dropped half a stone in about 6 months when I switched to non-sugar soda, doing literally nothing else differently (I'm no sedentary and exercise regularly, but I did the before too), drinking about 2 or 3 cans a day

Sugared drinks are wicked. End of.


/of course, the artificial sweeteners are probably giving me cancer, but what can you do.


Try using agave. While it's not healthier than sugar, it's much sweeter, meaning that you can use less of it to achieve the same level of sweetness.
 
2012-09-22 04:01:47 PM
Rootbeer needs some wintergreen and sassafrass if you can get it.
 
2012-09-22 04:01:56 PM
I haven't had a soda in 3 years. I cut out most desserty stuff in Dec. I just can't give up my Cinnamon toast crunch. I think I've gained weight by eating other stuff in place of it, but I guess it's a start at least. I think my teeth are happier though.
 
2012-09-22 04:07:03 PM

StealthStalker: I haven't had a soda in 3 years. I cut out most desserty stuff in Dec. I just can't give up my Cinnamon toast crunch. I think I've gained weight by eating other stuff in place of it, but I guess it's a start at least. I think my teeth are happier though.



I was abroad when I cracked a tooth, and had to wait 4 weeks to get it properly fixed. Anything sugary hurt like childbirth, but it was fine the rest of the time.

I suspect that the obesity problem in the US would vanish is everyone had a hole drilled in one of their teeth.
 
2012-09-22 04:12:18 PM
Not like I have anything to live for anyway.
 
2012-09-22 04:17:20 PM

Bungles: StealthStalker: I haven't had a soda in 3 years. I cut out most desserty stuff in Dec. I just can't give up my Cinnamon toast crunch. I think I've gained weight by eating other stuff in place of it, but I guess it's a start at least. I think my teeth are happier though.


I was abroad when I cracked a tooth, and had to wait 4 weeks to get it properly fixed. Anything sugary hurt like childbirth, but it was fine the rest of the time.

I suspect that the obesity problem in the US would vanish is everyone had a hole drilled in one of their teeth.


Yeah, I agree completely.

I had my top two Wisdom teeth and the teeth in-front of them removed back in Dec. I think you can see a pattern here. My Wisdom teeth had came in nearly on top and at an angle of the two in-front on both sides, and were impacted. Both sides had a hole develop/etc. I haven't had a Pop-Tart or similar item in long time, because the jelly-like filling would get back there and ruin my day.
 
2012-09-22 04:17:51 PM

Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.


No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.
 
2012-09-22 04:22:32 PM

thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.


But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(
 
2012-09-22 04:34:03 PM

halfbeard: Rootbeer needs some wintergreen and sassafrass if you can get it.


I think I have some wintergreen. I'm trying to make a good small half gallon batch first to get my portions right before I upscale. Last batch had WAY too much yeast. It foamed really well, but tasted like awful beer. I hear yucca is a good foaming agent as well. Anyone have suggestions for cherry or orange flavoring? Would it go well with root beer? Sweet or bitter orange?
 
2012-09-22 04:36:26 PM

StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(


Barely tastes a lot better than rice, especially when you cook it with chicken/meat/vegetable broth. It's also insanely cheap and much healthier.

As for pasta, I think what I really miss is the convenience and the sauce, but farro goes well with various kinds of pasta sauce.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:13 PM

thornhill:

Barely tastes a lot better than rice, especially when you cook it with chicken/meat/vegetable broth. It's also insanely cheap and much healthier. ...


Cutting out entire types of food usually doesn't lead to permanent lifelong weight loss, because eventually people start craving them again, and return to their old eating habits.

I did that a bunch of times (Atkins low carb, and then low fat diets, then other types of diets), and always gained it all back.

It wasn't until I just accepted the fact that I love all different types of foods, and that I would never be able to forever banish carbs, or ice cream, or whatever.....and just decided to eat whatever type of food I wanted, but just eat less of it. Specifically, I ate exactly half of what I had been eating.

I lost 100 pounds, and have kept it off for years now. Being able to eat whatever I'm in the mood for means I never crave any particular food, but I only eat a reasonable portion of whatever it is.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:33 PM

StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(


You have to be careful you can become anorexic be weary of vegetarianism and vegan diets. I got sick doing it and had to eat meat again while in treatment to get well again.
 
2012-09-22 04:53:23 PM
That being said, there are a thousand different ways to successfully lose weight. Everyone should simply pick the one that works for them.
 
2012-09-22 04:53:42 PM

Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.


Been losing roughly 10 pounds a month since completely quitting soda. I drink mostly water now, maybe the occasional Perrier because I love the carbonation. Tea for the caffeine.

Feel so much better it's not even funny.. I used to be the kind of guy that would down 2 20oz mountain dews in a sitting, now even a single swig of the stuff is just sickening.
 
2012-09-22 04:59:08 PM

alice_600: StealthStalker: thornhill: Fark Me To Tears: Jon iz teh kewl: am i the only one that GAINED 40 lbs as a result of QUITTING SODA.

Did you quit soda altogether, or did you continue with diet soda? People I know who've used diet sodas as a substitute generally don't change their other eating habits. In fact, because they're drinking diet soda, they feel like it's okay to indulge more in the high-calorie foods they crave. Whereas, people who give up ALL sodas -- myself included -- had a tendency to change their eating habits for the better. I would typically drink soda while indulging in other foods that weren't necessarily good for me. When I dropped the soda, I lost the urge to eat a lot of that stuff, or even if I did occasionally eat some of it, I ate much less of it. The taste of the soda had made the other stuff seem more appealing to me.

No one seems to know for sure, but a lot of studies comparing diet soda drinkers vs non-soda drinkers show that overtime the diet soda drinkers end up weighing more than the non-soda drinkers. One of the theories is that the artificial sweetener fuels your appetite, pushing you to eat more.

And I think you're right about how when you do one thing that is really healthy -- giving up all sweetened drinks, including diet -- you begin to be more conscious about what you eat.

A few years ago I decided to cut out meat during the week for health reasons. As a result of researching my non-meat options, I ended up cutting out pasta and rice, replacing them with grains like farro and barely, eating a ton more beans, and adding things like tempeh to my diet. It's amazing how inexpensive a non-meat diet is -- I buy beans and grains by the pound for ridiculously low prices at the Whole Foods bulk section.

But I love Pasta and Rice. I could live the rest of my days on those two items. :(

You have to be careful you can become anorexic be weary of vegetarianism and vegan diets. I got sick doing it and had to eat meat again while in ...


Right. I'm very careful about making sure I eat enough protein each day. I always eat a lot of beans with my lunch, having at least one serving of plain greek yogurt (mixed with a little honey for flavor), as well as mix tempeh into my meals. I also still eat fish.
 
2012-09-22 05:00:11 PM
Topo Chico bottles a water with a bit of lime juice, but no sweetener at all. It's bubbly, has flavor, and zero calories. It's a great alternative.
 
2012-09-22 05:01:00 PM

Corn_Fed: thornhill:

Barely tastes a lot better than rice, especially when you cook it with chicken/meat/vegetable broth. It's also insanely cheap and much healthier. ...

Cutting out entire types of food usually doesn't lead to permanent lifelong weight loss, because eventually people start craving them again, and return to their old eating habits.

.


What's key is that for everything I've cut out, I've found a substitute that I like as much or better. Thus, I don't crave what's been eliminated.
 
2012-09-22 05:01:30 PM

TsukasaK: Corn_Fed: Start drinking plain, boring old water, for a change. You'll feel (and weigh) a lot better.

Been losing roughly 10 pounds a month since completely quitting soda. I drink mostly water now, maybe the occasional Perrier because I love the carbonation. Tea for the caffeine.

Feel so much better it's not even funny.. I used to be the kind of guy that would down 2 20oz mountain dews in a sitting, now even a single swig of the stuff is just sickening.


That's great, congratulations! Yeah, it's amazing how refreshing water is, after years of living on soda.
 
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