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2012-09-23 02:21:54 AM
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2012-09-23 02:22:30 AM

psychicdeath99: violentsalvation: psychicdeath99: Thus endeth the press conference. Good night of fights despite my lousy picks. Catch you all next time.

Good to see you, and see you hopefully on Friday.. Tigers won, White Sox lost, half a game back, post season is doable. YAY.

Cool. I hadn't checked the standings recently. There's hope yet. The Tigers have really underperformed this year. Hopefully they can surge at the right time.


DAMMIT
 
2012-09-23 02:26:39 AM

NorCalLos: Bunch of pussies around here can't handle losing arguments.


When an argument around here devolves into comments like this and "kleptoklondike", can you blame them? I'm not even jumping into the argument, or putting anyone on ignore, I like these threads and everyone who comes to participate. I mean, say what you want, I have no say around here, and I know that's tame talk for Fark. But I'd wish we could keep it nice, we have a good, friendly thing going on here.
 
2012-09-23 02:32:39 AM

violentsalvation: NorCalLos: Bunch of pussies around here can't handle losing arguments.

When an argument around here devolves into comments like this and "kleptoklondike", can you blame them? I'm not even jumping into the argument, or putting anyone on ignore, I like these threads and everyone who comes to participate. I mean, say what you want, I have no say around here, and I know that's tame talk for Fark. But I'd wish we could keep it nice, we have a good, friendly thing going on here.


Point taken, but I get a little defensive when people start throwing around the word "troll" and white knighting each other. It's difficult to not take it personally. I know I've definitely been on the receiving end of much worse things than I've said in these threads, but I also know I'm not "popular"/not a TF'er. I'm kind of a lone wolf as far as that goes, so I apologize if your friends are butthurt, but it's kind of their own doing.
 
2012-09-23 02:40:05 AM
BTW, putting someone on ignore is the ultimate puss-move. Announcing you're putting someone on ignore is coward bullying: "Hey guys: this guy disagrees with us, so let's all put him on ignore :o(" If you're that big of a pussy, just go be a pussy. You don't have to announce to everyone that you're a pussy in hope of getting some validation.
 
2012-09-23 02:40:13 AM

violentsalvation: NorCalLos: Bunch of pussies around here can't handle losing arguments.

When an argument around here devolves into comments like this and "kleptoklondike", can you blame them? I'm not even jumping into the argument, or putting anyone on ignore, I like these threads and everyone who comes to participate. I mean, say what you want, I have no say around here, and I know that's tame talk for Fark. But I'd wish we could keep it nice, we have a good, friendly thing going on here.


tf2chan.net

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here this is a UFC thread



NorCalLos:


Point taken, but I get a little defensive when people start throwing around the word "troll" and white knighting each other. It's difficult to not take it personally. I know I've definitely been on the receiving end of much worse things than I've said in these threads, but I also know I'm not "popular"/not a TF'er. I'm kind of a lone wolf as far as that goes, so I apologize if your friends are butthurt, but it's kind of their own doing.



Take it from a looooong time 'liter there isn't anything special about having that TF tag. There's cliques within cliques within cliques in here.


Full disclosure Klippon sponsored me last month and that led to my buying my own TF
 
2012-09-23 02:45:03 AM

One Bad Apple: violentsalvation: NorCalLos: Bunch of pussies around here can't handle losing arguments.

Take it from a looooong time 'liter there isn't anything special about having that TF tag. There's cliques within cliques within cliques in here.


Full disclosure Klippon sponsored me last month and that led to my buying my own TF


That's funny. Ya, I was sponsored once too. It was weird. Even being a liter, you can tell there are secret conversations where people will decide to gang up on people. It's super lame/childish. Thanks for the full disclosure. That takes some integrity.
 
2012-09-23 02:52:34 AM
good night people
 
2012-09-23 02:58:34 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-23 03:06:07 AM

NorCalLos: violentsalvation: NorCalLos: Bunch of pussies around here can't handle losing arguments.

When an argument around here devolves into comments like this and "kleptoklondike", can you blame them? I'm not even jumping into the argument, or putting anyone on ignore, I like these threads and everyone who comes to participate. I mean, say what you want, I have no say around here, and I know that's tame talk for Fark. But I'd wish we could keep it nice, we have a good, friendly thing going on here.

Point taken, but I get a little defensive when people start throwing around the word "troll" and white knighting each other. It's difficult to not take it personally. I know I've definitely been on the receiving end of much worse things than I've said in these threads, but I also know I'm not "popular"/not a TF'er. I'm kind of a lone wolf as far as that goes, so I apologize if your friends are butthurt, but it's kind of their own doing.


We aren't white knighting each other because we are tfers, we just know each other better because we hang out in mma threads that don't get to go green, we had one last night in TFD for some strange promotion. We've come a long way and finally gotten to the point where the admins realize that there is an audience and we don't have to beg them to green a thread. You aren't a lone wolf, you are part of it, you've been posting in these forever now.

Jon Jones, good person or bad. I don't know. He is amazing. I don't like his Jesus talk after drunk ruining his car, and I think he should've fought Sonnen (but this fight was good too). I think he is a young man at the top of his MMA game but still emotionally growing up. I'd like him to lose a fight or two, to refocus him and forge his resolve. But this is his life and career. We are just spectators. I can't complain, they gave us a show.

NorCalLos: That's funny. Ya, I was sponsored once too. It was weird. Even being a liter, you can tell there are secret conversations where people will decide to gang up on people. It's super lame/childish. Thanks for the full disclosure. That takes some integrity.


Yeah, the cliques are f*cking awful. They are rampant in weekday TFD. It's like high school to some people.
 
2012-09-23 03:18:53 AM
Anyway, night everyone.
 
2012-09-23 03:24:21 AM

violentsalvation: Jon Jones, good person or bad. I don't know. He is amazing. I don't like his Jesus talk after drunk ruining his car, and I think he should've fought Sonnen (but this fight was good too). I think he is a young man at the top of his MMA game but still emotionally growing up. I'd like him to lose a fight or two, to refocus him and forge his resolve. But this is his life and career. We are just spectators. I can't complain, they gave us a show.


Well said.
 
2012-09-23 05:27:06 AM

violentsalvation: Jon Jones, good person or bad. I don't know. He is amazing. I don't like his Jesus talk after drunk ruining his car, and I think he should've fought Sonnen (but this fight was good too). I think he is a young man at the top of his MMA game but still emotionally growing up. I'd like him to lose a fight or two, to refocus him and forge his resolve. But this is his life and career. We are just spectators. I can't complain, they gave us a show.


Just as point of reference, I know I've mentioned it like eighty-seven times, but in the post-fight interview after the Mark Hamill "loss", Jones claimed that "if this is what God wants, then so be it". Next day, his fight camp was appealing the loss. The Jesus thing, as it's played out so far, is a complete joke on his part. And while he's hardly the only athlete to misappropriate god, it's still annoying.

NorCalLos: The only reason I can think of is that some people are just uncomfortable with others' excellence.


In fairness, mixed martial arts has been promoted in the States much in a manner to football, where any competitor can win on any given night. Most sports fans are more interested in parity and mediocrity than dominant, skilled champions, because it's much more difficult to develop a sophistication and appreciation for the actual competition in the sport, an appreciation and interest in the athletic skills and actions that lead to that "foregone conclusion of a title match". It's much easier to get sucked into media narrative and hype as developed by blowhards and commercial advertising dollars, where "THERE'S NO TELLING WHO COULD LEAVE AS THE CHAMPION!!1"
 
2012-09-23 10:23:31 AM

domino324: LegacyDL: libranoelrose: LegacyDL: Jones can win as many fights as he can but he doesn't show any heart as a fighter.

He just went 3 rounds with a dislocated elbow, what do you mean?

In other words he doesn't have that "any fight, anywhere" mentality that I think champions and fighters should have, he's cold and calculating when he has his matches and for the most part it seems almost routine. Maybe it's his opponents, but I think Jones needs a fight where he knows he's gonna be in for a tough night not a fight where his elbows will come to the rescue.

Fighting Shogun, Rashad, Rampage, Machida, and Bader isn't good enough? He makes great fighters look like chumps. That's a testament to how amazing he is, not that he carefully chooses opponents.


One thing Jones does exceptionally well is debut in a division with alot of aging fighters who were great a couple years ago.

Let's face it....the people hes been fighting are a bit past their prime.....It's the same thing that made Tyson a champion in boxing.

A true champion takes all commers and does not refuse to fight them because he hasn't had time to watch and study 376 hours of video tape from 4 years ago.
 
2012-09-23 10:53:22 AM

Giltric: domino324: LegacyDL: libranoelrose: LegacyDL: Jones can win as many fights as he can but he doesn't show any heart as a fighter.

He just went 3 rounds with a dislocated elbow, what do you mean?

In other words he doesn't have that "any fight, anywhere" mentality that I think champions and fighters should have, he's cold and calculating when he has his matches and for the most part it seems almost routine. Maybe it's his opponents, but I think Jones needs a fight where he knows he's gonna be in for a tough night not a fight where his elbows will come to the rescue.

Fighting Shogun, Rashad, Rampage, Machida, and Bader isn't good enough? He makes great fighters look like chumps. That's a testament to how amazing he is, not that he carefully chooses opponents.

One thing Jones does exceptionally well is debut in a division with alot of aging fighters who were great a couple years ago.

Let's face it....the people hes been fighting are a bit past their prime.....It's the same thing that made Tyson a champion in boxing.

A true champion takes all commers and does not refuse to fight them because he hasn't had time to watch and study 376 hours of video tape from 4 years ago.


And why do you suddenly declare them past their primes? Because they couldn't compete with Jones? I think that's a pretty tired excuse to declare that everyone he's beaten is magically past their prime all of a sudden.

I'll give you Rampage, but he beat Shogun after Shogun had ripped Machida a new one (and Shogun was only 27 at the time). Machida has looked amazing lately, including being the first person to actually win a round against Jones. Rashad has also dominated every opponent lately with the exception of Jones.

You don't have to like Jon Jones, but to try to downplay his success just says your personal feelings about him cloud your judgment.
 
2012-09-23 11:22:56 AM

domino324:


And why do you suddenly declare them past their primes? Because they couldn't compete with Jones? I think that's a pretty tired excuse to declare that everyone he's beaten is magically past their prime all of a sudden.


You're doing it all wrong. Every up and coming fighter or champion is unstoppable until their first loss and then they were OVERRATED.
 
2012-09-23 11:42:22 AM

One Bad Apple: domino324:


And why do you suddenly declare them past their primes? Because they couldn't compete with Jones? I think that's a pretty tired excuse to declare that everyone he's beaten is magically past their prime all of a sudden.


You're doing it all wrong. Every up and coming fighter or champion is unstoppable until their first loss and then they were OVERRATED.


Bleh, my grammar was horrible there. I really should proofread before I post.
 
2012-09-23 12:35:04 PM

domino324: Giltric: domino324: LegacyDL: libranoelrose: LegacyDL: Jones can win as many fights as he can but he doesn't show any heart as a fighter.

He just went 3 rounds with a dislocated elbow, what do you mean?

In other words he doesn't have that "any fight, anywhere" mentality that I think champions and fighters should have, he's cold and calculating when he has his matches and for the most part it seems almost routine. Maybe it's his opponents, but I think Jones needs a fight where he knows he's gonna be in for a tough night not a fight where his elbows will come to the rescue.

Fighting Shogun, Rashad, Rampage, Machida, and Bader isn't good enough? He makes great fighters look like chumps. That's a testament to how amazing he is, not that he carefully chooses opponents.

One thing Jones does exceptionally well is debut in a division with alot of aging fighters who were great a couple years ago.

Let's face it....the people hes been fighting are a bit past their prime.....It's the same thing that made Tyson a champion in boxing.

A true champion takes all commers and does not refuse to fight them because he hasn't had time to watch and study 376 hours of video tape from 4 years ago.

And why do you suddenly declare them past their primes? Because they couldn't compete with Jones? I think that's a pretty tired excuse to declare that everyone he's beaten is magically past their prime all of a sudden.

I'll give you Rampage, but he beat Shogun after Shogun had ripped Machida a new one (and Shogun was only 27 at the time). Machida has looked amazing lately, including being the first person to actually win a round against Jones. Rashad has also dominated every opponent lately with the exception of Jones.

You don't have to like Jon Jones, but to try to downplay his success just says your personal feelings about him cloud your judgment.


you have the same 5 or 6 past their prime guys fighting within the same group of 5 or 6 past their prime guys....it's like they are big fish in a very small pond....and along comes Jones.

Shogun is like Belfort...hes either on or hes off thats how someone like Shogun gets beat by a subpar gatekeeper like Griffin....

I think Jones has some talent, but it;s hard to tell if hes running on talent alone or if his opponents past their primedness is helping to propel Jones.

the UFC needs like 4 seasons of nothing but LHW to inject some excitement into the LHW division.
 
2012-09-23 12:56:05 PM
So close. That armbar was sooooooo close. Dammit.

/ Vitor fan
// Granted, Vitor is probably a harder guy to submit than Pokrajac, but Vinny deserved SotN.
 
2012-09-23 02:16:00 PM

trippdogg: LegacyDL: Jones can win as many fights as he can but he doesn't show any heart as a fighter.

Jones is a farking awesome fighter and a farking hell of a human being. If you don't get that, it's your loss.


There's talk of him leaving a kid behind in Iowa.

You don't know these people, so why make defensive statements?
 
2012-09-23 02:32:01 PM
If you watch Jones' first fight in the UFC, you can see his physical gifts are not enough to get by on. That's why it bothers me when people say he needs to move up in weight, because the implication is that his size alone is responsible for his success. People tend to think "I'd be beating everyone up too, if I were that big." the truth is, he also has tremendous athleticism and outstanding technique.
 
2012-09-24 12:02:18 AM

NorCalLos: If you watch Jones' first fight in the UFC, you can see his physical gifts are not enough to get by on. That's why it bothers me when people say he needs to move up in weight, because the implication is that his size alone is responsible for his success. People tend to think "I'd be beating everyone up too, if I were that big." the truth is, he also has tremendous athleticism and outstanding technique.


I think there's a certain recognition that not all weight classes are equal, in the sense that the HW MMA champion is also the open-weight champion, i.e. "The Baddest Man on the Planet". Not everyone agrees, bit I think that if a fighter has any kind of shot at the HW title, they should go for that preferentially.
 
2012-09-24 12:13:57 AM

Giltric:

you have the same 5 or 6 past their prime guys fighting within the same group of 5 or 6 past their prime guys.....


By that logic GSP is an over rated fighter who has never beaten a real contender.
 
2012-09-24 12:20:48 PM

Giltric: domino324: LegacyDL: libranoelrose: LegacyDL: Jones can win as many fights as he can but he doesn't show any heart as a fighter.

He just went 3 rounds with a dislocated elbow, what do you mean?

In other words he doesn't have that "any fight, anywhere" mentality that I think champions and fighters should have, he's cold and calculating when he has his matches and for the most part it seems almost routine. Maybe it's his opponents, but I think Jones needs a fight where he knows he's gonna be in for a tough night not a fight where his elbows will come to the rescue.

Fighting Shogun, Rashad, Rampage, Machida, and Bader isn't good enough? He makes great fighters look like chumps. That's a testament to how amazing he is, not that he carefully chooses opponents.

One thing Jones does exceptionally well is debut in a division with alot of aging fighters who were great a couple years ago.

Let's face it....the people hes been fighting are a bit past their prime.....It's the same thing that made Tyson a champion in boxing.

A true champion takes all commers and does not refuse to fight them because he hasn't had time to watch and study 376 hours of video tape from 4 years ago.


Wow, are you ever stupid.
 
2012-09-24 02:06:28 PM
lol
 
2012-09-24 06:21:43 PM

the biggest redneck here: trippdogg: LegacyDL: Jones can win as many fights as he can but he doesn't show any heart as a fighter.

Jones is a farking awesome fighter and a farking hell of a human being. If you don't get that, it's your loss.

There's talk of him leaving a kid behind in Iowa.

You don't know these people, so why make defensive statements?


His first daughter by his college girlfriend? I don't think that's much of a secret. I don't know what Chael's referring too when he's talking about Jones's Iowa secret, but he's probably just talking shiat like he usually does. Jones still supports and talks about being a father to his three daughters (1 from Iowa ex, 2 from current fiance).

I don't know the guy, but he's done nothing but fight well, and tweets about god and his family all the time. Maybe he has some dark secret, but I think it's odd that people attack him as though he is a terrible human being just because he made an unpopular decision. It's a little dramatic that some folks are so upset that a fighter didn't take a fight on short notice that suddenly his past fights are against washed up fighters, that he's a pussy who should be fighting a a higher weight (as if most fighters in all of the weight divisions walk around at the weight of their division), or that he's a bad person.

Hell, I'll boo the Diaz brothers because I think they act like pricks, but they're good fighters and I know that's also the mind games they play with their opponents and to help sell the fights they are in.

Missed this PPV though. DirectTV farked up on me. Hopefully it'll work at the next one or its back to BWW. I think reporter Dana White was bashing made some good points and White is ignorant if he doesn't see that.
 
2012-09-25 01:31:31 AM

Skyrmion: NorCalLos: If you watch Jones' first fight in the UFC, you can see his physical gifts are not enough to get by on. That's why it bothers me when people say he needs to move up in weight, because the implication is that his size alone is responsible for his success. People tend to think "I'd be beating everyone up too, if I were that big." the truth is, he also has tremendous athleticism and outstanding technique.

I think there's a certain recognition that not all weight classes are equal, in the sense that the HW MMA champion is also the open-weight champion, i.e. "The Baddest Man on the Planet". Not everyone agrees, bit I think that if a fighter has any kind of shot at the HW title, they should go for that preferentially.


What's funny is that Dana White used to say the exact opposite of this regarding bj penn, "I've always told him he just just stay at 155 and kick everyone's ass." Now that JBJ is owning his division and creating on competitive fights, he wants him to move up. I think the truth is that the UFC doesn't want dominant champs because 1) they want competitive divisions; and 2) A dominant champ gives too much power/control to the fighter at the expense of the organization. Thy want the UFC belt to Determine who the champ is, not the best fighter determining who the champ is. Said more directly, if Jon Jones is far and away the best fighter in the UFC, they can't lose him or their LHW belt is a joke. When it comes time to negotiate, they'll have to pay him whatever he wants or let him go and try to convince everyone he's overrated like they did with Tito Ortiz, Dan Henderson, Fedor, and many others.
 
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