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(TMZ)   Abortion is wrong, unless one of Romney's kids wants to get one   (tmz.com) divider line 206
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2012-09-22 06:40:01 AM  
You're being pedantic, subby. Everybody knows that rich political candidates just say that crap about being against abortions in order to get the anti-abortion voters.
 
2012-09-22 06:55:18 AM  
Is it October already?

I can't wait to see how the Creepers try to spin this. Can't really claim you're Pro-Life when you're okay with you son having an Abortion clause for non life-threatening health concerns in his surrogacy contract.

Hypocrites. All of them.
 
2012-09-22 06:57:03 AM  
 
2012-09-22 07:24:30 AM  
I think we can agree that any woman impregnated by a Romney son without express written permission and without a full credit check will have no need of an abortion, as she'll be tossed from the back of an 80-foot yacht before the caviar course is served.
 
2012-09-22 07:34:56 AM  

MmmmBacon: Is it October already?

I can't wait to see how the Creepers try to spin this. Can't really claim you're Pro-Life when you're okay with you son having an Abortion clause for non life-threatening health concerns in his surrogacy contract.

Hypocrites. All of them.


Huh. Just noticed I called the Freepers "Creepers" in my last post. Freud strikes again.
 
2012-09-22 07:37:42 AM  
TFA: Tagg chose the same surrogate in 2009, who gave birth to a boy. Attorney Bill Handel -- a nationally-known expert in surrogacy law who put the deal together between Tagg and the surrogate -- tells TMZ when the 2009 contract was drafted there was no Paragraph 13 providing for abortion because Tagg and his wife didn't want it.

Handel says in 2011, when the second contract was being drafted, everyone involved "just forgot" to remove Paragraph 13. Handel says, "No one noticed. What can I say?"


t2.gstatic.com

Yeah, I'm not sure I wan somebody whose son makes an occasional mistake to be president.
 
2012-09-22 07:48:59 AM  

MmmmBacon: MmmmBacon: Is it October already?

I can't wait to see how the Creepers try to spin this. Can't really claim you're Pro-Life when you're okay with you son having an Abortion clause for non life-threatening health concerns in his surrogacy contract.

Hypocrites. All of them.

Huh. Just noticed I called the Freepers "Creepers" in my last post. Freud strikes again.


I thought that was intentional and excellent.

Massachusetts Romneybot was not nearly as hardline on abortion as Presidential Candidate Romneybot is.

The GOP is so fractured and bipolar at this point that a candidate can't possibly have a position on abortion other than that of the extreme religious right and still get the nomination. Because that is one issue, SAVING THE LIVES OF INNOCENT HELPLESS BABBIES whom Obama murders personally in his spare time and probably eats for breakfast, that is so sensitive and important to the majority of the Republican base that they will vote against their own financial best interest every time. And there are simply not enough Wealthy Americans, the ones who actually benefit under the GOP financial plan, to elect GOP candidates without the Religious Right.

Non-candidate Romneybot is not rabidly pro-life, but he's gone bye bye for the next couple of months.
 
2012-09-22 08:03:39 AM  
Well as Mitt and Anne aren't the ones who entered into the contract, im not sure why this is a story. Parents have no control over their adult children and everything agreed to in the contract was reasonable. They go in and selectively abort all the time when people do invetro. If they didn't there would be births of 5+ kids every day. People just don't talk about it.

I'm also a little uneasy about things like this, which have nothing to do with the candidate himself, being fair game in a campaign.
 
2012-09-22 08:04:24 AM  
"In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

I'm not even sure how to process this. Suing a woman for not having an abortion due to a contractual obligation would cause the biggest shiatstorm in the courts/media/etc that I can think of.
 
2012-09-22 08:12:47 AM  

Gwendolyn: Well as Mitt and Anne aren't the ones who entered into the contract, im not sure why this is a story. Parents have no control over their adult children and everything agreed to in the contract was reasonable. They go in and selectively abort all the time when people do invetro. If they didn't there would be births of 5+ kids every day. People just don't talk about it.

I'm also a little uneasy about things like this, which have nothing to do with the candidate himself, being fair game in a campaign.


I have to agree... I'm about as anti-GOP for this election as you can get, but I don't see how this should reflect poorly on Romney himself. I'm willing to bet that's a pretty standard surrogate contract.
 
2012-09-22 09:04:56 AM  
Is anyone else seeing these political signs popping up on people's lawns? They say "Be a patriot - Vote Pro-Life". Talk about a non-sequitur.....
 
2012-09-22 09:06:01 AM  
"Sources connected with Mitt Romney tell TMZ, Mitt was involved in the surrogate arrangement because he paid some of the expenses connected with the agreement. We do not know if Mitt Romney read the contract or knew the terms."

This is the reason that it's a least a little sticky for Mitt.
 
2012-09-22 09:10:23 AM  
Meh, this sounds like a standard clause in a surrogate's contract. I wouldn't think it was possible to prevent them from getting an abortion in the first place.
 
2012-09-22 09:10:51 AM  
On one hand, this is fairly standard stuff, so I don't care at all.

On the other hand, Tagg, Topp, Bapp, Bort, Tarp and Torg have ridiculous names.
 
2012-09-22 09:15:08 AM  

Fart_Machine: Meh, this sounds like a standard clause in a surrogate's contract. I wouldn't think it was possible to prevent them from getting an abortion in the first place.


Probably--and I'm not voting for Mittens. Frankly, for any rational human being, this is a non issue. As a news story, though, it is an issuewhen someone claims to be pro-choice and supported by those who are pro choice that they were exercising even the idea of pro choice.

Basically, this will piss of evangelicals.
 
2012-09-22 09:16:11 AM  

Gwendolyn: Well as Mitt and Anne aren't the ones who entered into the contract, im not sure why this is a story. Parents have no control over their adult children and everything agreed to in the contract was reasonable. They go in and selectively abort all the time when people do invetro. If they didn't there would be births of 5+ kids every day. People just don't talk about it.

I'm also a little uneasy about things like this, which have nothing to do with the candidate himself, being fair game in a campaign.


Being pro-choice, I have absolutely zero problem with this provision. And I don't think Romney bears any responsibility for it's inclusion in the contract. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Teahadist-ville. Those folks are not real subtle when it comes to the nuances of abortion decisions.
 
2012-09-22 09:16:46 AM  

Hoarseman: "Sources connected with Mitt Romney tell TMZ, Mitt was involved in the surrogate arrangement because he paid some of the expenses connected with the agreement. We do not know if Mitt Romney read the contract or knew the terms."

This is the reason that it's a least a little sticky for Mitt.


Yeah, he might get a pass once. He used that on the explosive growth of his aborted fetus incineration company. It's not exactly a common thing for people to be investors in abortion for profit enterprises, and here Mitt is twice associated.
 
2012-09-22 09:18:15 AM  
There are so many legitimate things to dislike about Mitt Romney, I'm not sure why anyone should care about this.
 
2012-09-22 09:18:47 AM  
It is clearly standard contract language. And it signed by Mitt's ADULT son and daughter-in-law.

Now if the standard contract had no abortion clauses and the Romneys insisted on adding abortion clauses then there would be a story though not much of one because Mitt Romney is not responsible for what he adult children do anyways. And I don't believe Mitt would pay either as his children have far in excess of the money needed for this sort of thing.

That being said, Mitt certainly has a history of changing his official opinion on abortion at the most convenient time available. But as he has tied himself to the right, we can expect anti-abortion stuff from him as president for at least his first term.
 
2012-09-22 09:19:53 AM  
Subby when wealthy Republicans get abortions it's called a DNC.
 
2012-09-22 09:21:58 AM  
Not sure if this will stick, or if it should. The GOP platform is NO ABORTIONS, NO EXCEPTIONS but Romney and Ryan have clarified they would not go after abortion in cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life was in danger. They are somewhat at odds with their party on this issue; everybody knows that.

I'm sure it'll piss off the fundies but it won't stop them casting their ballot. Hell, Mittens could dip a puppy in gas and light a cigar with the burning carcass on live TV and they'll still vote for him.
 
2012-09-22 09:23:22 AM  
Judging by his campaign, Romney is all about abortions, this is gonna be the biggest one yet.

/worse than Mondale.
 
2012-09-22 09:26:19 AM  
Maybe it was on a day when Mitt was pro-choice.

/couldn't care less
 
2012-09-22 09:27:05 AM  
Rich people can always get around abortion restrictions because they can afford to travel.

It's only poor women and girls that Republicans want to die in back alley abortions.
(seriously. how many studies have to show that anti-abortion laws don't reduce the number of abortions but increase the number of women dying from botched abortions do we need before we stop giving the "pro-life" crowd the benefit of the doubt for being more stupid than evil?)
 
2012-09-22 09:27:27 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: You're being pedantic, subby.


Yeah, subby's just splitting heirs.
 
2012-09-22 09:27:34 AM  
Wow, the Romneys are so rich they RENT VAGINAS.
 
2012-09-22 09:28:16 AM  
Boy y'all nailed him on that one.

/sigh
 
2012-09-22 09:29:21 AM  
This is the same kid who's fighting the construction of a hospice.
 
2012-09-22 09:29:46 AM  

serial_crusher: Yeah, I'm not sure I wan somebody whose son makes an occasional mistake to be president.


Yeah.... three people and their expensive attorneys all just "forgot"... right.. yea... that's the ticket... "forgot"...

I might buy that if the family hadn't spent the last several months making every attempt to prove it's a pack of pathological liars.
 
2012-09-22 09:31:10 AM  

LadyHawke: Gwendolyn: Well as Mitt and Anne aren't the ones who entered into the contract, im not sure why this is a story. Parents have no control over their adult children and everything agreed to in the contract was reasonable. They go in and selectively abort all the time when people do invetro. If they didn't there would be births of 5+ kids every day. People just don't talk about it.

I'm also a little uneasy about things like this, which have nothing to do with the candidate himself, being fair game in a campaign.

I have to agree... I'm about as anti-GOP for this election as you can get, but I don't see how this should reflect poorly on Romney himself. I'm willing to bet that's a pretty standard surrogate contract.


Obama's campaign won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. I'm hoping the Superpacs stay away from it also. However, I can't blame pro-choice and women's health advocacy groups using this.
 
2012-09-22 09:33:31 AM  
Well rightards. Enjoy the next four years of PRESIDENT OBAMA, because I certainly will.
 
2012-09-22 09:33:36 AM  
Meanwhile, Mitt Romney makes Bapp wish he was aborted.
 
2012-09-22 09:33:41 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: On one hand, this is fairly standard stuff, so I don't care at all.

On the other hand, Tagg, Topp, Bapp, Bort, Tarp and Torg have ridiculous names.


www.sluggy.com
 
2012-09-22 09:34:16 AM  
Choice for me but none for thee
 
2012-09-22 09:34:23 AM  

sinanju: This is the same kid who's fighting the construction of a hospice.


See, this is a story. Apparently, Bort inherited his father's complete lack of human empathy. That said:

FYFA: Belmont Hill is, among other things, home to Belmont Country Club, the staggeringly expensive redoubt of rich and famous members, most of whom wield a golf club like Mitt Romney holds a microphone - erratically and sometimes dangerously.

Coffee, keyboard, etc.
 
2012-09-22 09:34:31 AM  
I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.
 
2012-09-22 09:34:59 AM  

MmmmBacon: Is it October already?

I can't wait to see how the Creepers try to spin this. Can't really claim you're Pro-Life when you're okay with you son having an Abortion clause for non life-threatening health concerns in his surrogacy contract.

Hypocrites. All of them.


You know who else was really into surrogacy contracts?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-22 09:35:39 AM  
I first thought they signed off on that provision, and I thought, "well good for them, that seems reasonable". But of course now they have to claim they accidentally signed it.
 
2012-09-22 09:36:20 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Wow, the Romneys are so rich they RENT VAGINAS.


is it really a surrogate or a sister-wife?
 
2012-09-22 09:36:45 AM  
Romney is pro-abortion, this isn't an issue
 
2012-09-22 09:36:49 AM  

indylaw: I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.


If he finances them, he can.
 
2012-09-22 09:37:32 AM  

indylaw: I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.


he's footing the bill isn't he? paying for all this?
 
2012-09-22 09:37:38 AM  
Tagg chose the same surrogate in 2009, who gave birth to a boy. Attorney Bill Handel -- a nationally-known expert in surrogacy law who put the deal together between Tagg and the surrogate -- tells TMZ when the 2009 contract was drafted there was no Paragraph 13 providing for abortion because Tagg and his wife didn't want it.

Handel says in 2011, when the second contract was being drafted, everyone involved "just forgot" to remove Paragraph 13. Handel says, "No one noticed. What can I say?"


What attorney in his right mind is a) going to admit that he didn't read a contract carefully before advising his client to sign it (assuming Tagg was the client); and b) going to discuss attorney-client conversations (assuming that this was expressed privately between the Romney couple and the lawyer).

I would have just said "I'm forbidden to discuss it because of legal ethics rules and client confidence" and left it at that.
 
2012-09-22 09:38:29 AM  

Hobodeluxe: indylaw: I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.

he's footing the bill isn't he? paying for all this?


Mitt paid for the surrogate?
 
2012-09-22 09:38:29 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Romney is pro-abortion, this isn't an issue


no he's extremely conservative. he told me so. and he said that he was pro life.
 
2012-09-22 09:39:05 AM  
So why are Republicans putting up pro-choice candidates, again?
 
2012-09-22 09:39:44 AM  

indylaw: Hobodeluxe: indylaw: I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.

he's footing the bill isn't he? paying for all this?

Mitt paid for the surrogate?


I see now. Still, I think this is petty.
 
2012-09-22 09:40:02 AM  

indylaw: Hobodeluxe: indylaw: I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.

he's footing the bill isn't he? paying for all this?

Mitt paid for the surrogate?


FTFA: and Mitt Romney covered some of the expenses connected with the arrangement
 
2012-09-22 09:40:32 AM  

indylaw: Hobodeluxe: indylaw: I don't like Mitt Romney any more than you do, but I recognize that a candidate can't reasonably be held responsible for the moral decisions of his adult sons and daughters.

he's footing the bill isn't he? paying for all this?

Mitt paid for the surrogate?


the article doesn't specify. it just says that he paid for some of the expenses. I dunno if that's the surrogate,doctor or lawyers.
 
2012-09-22 09:40:33 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Well rightards. Enjoy the next four years of PRESIDENT OBAMA, because I certainly will.


The rest of the industrialized world is looking forward to it also.
 
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