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2012-09-22 09:32:34 AM  
i.imgur.com

Thankfully, passing a same-sex marriage amendment isn't quite like having a corpse in a car, minus a head, in the garage.

/take him to it
 
2012-09-22 09:54:36 AM  
I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)
 
2012-09-22 09:56:44 AM  
Truly awesome headline.
 
2012-09-22 09:58:55 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 375x360]

Thankfully, passing a same-sex marriage amendment isn't quite like having a corpse in a car, minus a head, in the garage.

/take him to it


Now pretty please, with sugar on top... end the farking thread.
 
2012-09-22 10:01:06 AM  
Awesome headline subby! (as I clean coffee from my keyboard)
 
2012-09-22 10:09:13 AM  
MD, ME, and WA are polling over 50% support for gay marriage. That is huge.

Obama coming out in support of gay marriage, at some risk to himself in the Rust Belt, was the gamechanger in MD. Sure, he made folks in the MD to ME zone and the West Coast all happy, but those states were all in the bag for him with the possible exception of NH.

Hopefully the obnoxious Marshall-Newman Amendment (VA) can be overturned within my lifetime.
 
2012-09-22 10:09:26 AM  
I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.
 
2012-09-22 10:11:03 AM  

ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)


Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.
 
2012-09-22 10:24:32 AM  

MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.


I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.

Still, yay Dream Act and marriage equality!!!!!
 
2012-09-22 10:25:49 AM  

ginandbacon: MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.

I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.

Still, yay Dream Act and marriage equality!!!!!


The jobs suck.

/Oregon
 
2012-09-22 10:26:45 AM  
Awesome headline, subby.

+1
 
2012-09-22 10:26:53 AM  

Ilmarinen: I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.


Where the white women at??
 
2012-09-22 10:30:50 AM  
I lold hard.
 
2012-09-22 10:35:20 AM  

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: ginandbacon: MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.

I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.

Still, yay Dream Act and marriage equality!!!!!

The jobs suck.

/Oregon


Yeah, I know :(

I seriously don't know how to vote on this.
 
2012-09-22 10:35:50 AM  
I really hope it passes in Washington State. My girlfriend and I are moving there next year. We've decided we just can't continue to live in AZ, where our chances of getting the right to marry are slim to none. I had initially hoped we could stay here and try to change it from within, but I've given up on this backward state.

What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

/can't wait to leave
 
2012-09-22 10:35:54 AM  
You know, generally speaking I am not one to take much pleasure in the misfortune of others, but one of the continuing pleasures of my life is the slow, but steady shift in public opinion on this issue and how it rankles the religious fundies and social conservatives. I can only smile in contented satisfaction as they pull their hair out in anger over something that literally has zero effect on their lives. I think I'll stroll on over to freeperville to see if they have any posts about these polls.
 
2012-09-22 10:40:32 AM  

theknuckler_33: You know, generally speaking I am not one to take much pleasure in the misfortune of others, but one of the continuing pleasures of my life is the slow, but steady shift in public opinion on this issue and how it rankles the religious fundies and social conservatives. I can only smile in contented satisfaction as they pull their hair out in anger over something that literally has zero effect on their lives. I think I'll stroll on over to freeperville to see if they have any posts about these polls.


It is a joy to watch. Can't wait until both marriage equality and DREAM pass here in Maryland. And Obama wins re-election. Gonna have to avoid interacting with a few people for awhile afterward, but it will be well worth it.
 
2012-09-22 10:43:08 AM  

ginandbacon: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: ginandbacon: MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.

I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.

Still, yay Dream Act and marriage equality!!!!!

The jobs suck.

/Oregon

Yeah, I know :(

I seriously don't know how to vote on this.


I may end up voting yes just because it upsets social conservatives, and because it would be at National Harbor so we could maybe get some MD tax revenue out of gamblers from NoVA.
 
2012-09-22 10:44:42 AM  
There's no time like the present...
 
2012-09-22 10:46:46 AM  
Homosexuality invented in the beginning. Marraige invented around 40 BC. Gay Marraige invented 2012. Quite historic. Some would argue historic hubris.
 
2012-09-22 10:48:01 AM  

MacEnvy: ginandbacon: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: ginandbacon: MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.

I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.

Still, yay Dream Act and marriage equality!!!!!

The jobs suck.

/Oregon

Yeah, I know :(

I seriously don't know how to vote on this.

I may end up voting yes just because it upsets social conservatives, and because it would be at National Harbor so we could maybe get some MD tax revenue out of gamblers from NoVA.


HAHAHA!!! Anything to fark the NoVas!!!!! I think you just decided my vote ;)
 
2012-09-22 10:54:08 AM  
Awesome headline. Assuming the phrase hasn't been used in a similar fashion previously, I submit that this be headline of the day, week, month or even year.

/cause you're there for me tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
2012-09-22 10:59:36 AM  
I'm originally from Maine and currently living in St Louis. I pray marriage equality passes in Maine so we can have a "home" state in which we can make our intentions legal.
 
2012-09-22 11:02:57 AM  

StrandedInAZ: I really hope it passes in Washington State. My girlfriend and I are moving there next year. We've decided we just can't continue to live in AZ, where our chances of getting the right to marry are slim to none. I had initially hoped we could stay here and try to change it from within, but I've given up on this backward state.

What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

/can't wait to leave


Apropos handle.
 
2012-09-22 11:08:52 AM  

JerBearMO: I'm originally from Maine and currently living in St Louis. I pray marriage equality passes in Maine so we can have a "home" state in which we can make our intentions legal.


For what it's worth, I plan on voting in favor of marriage in Maine, hopefully it will win and you can have your day.
 
2012-09-22 11:09:22 AM  

StrandedInAZ: I really hope it passes in Washington State. My girlfriend and I are moving there next year. We've decided we just can't continue to live in AZ, where our chances of getting the right to marry are slim to none. I had initially hoped we could stay here and try to change it from within, but I've given up on this backward state.

What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

/can't wait to leave


Welcome to our state. On the left hand side of the mountains, we have cities and people are awesome but you'll want to kill yourself every year from November through April. On the right hand side, you get hot summers and sunny(ish) winters but there's nothing but wheat and rednecks. Choose wisely.
 
2012-09-22 11:10:32 AM  
I can't believe Minnesota is polling as close as it is. I shake my head at humanity.
 
2012-09-22 11:17:58 AM  

StrandedInAZ: What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.


It's not just Arizona. However much enthusiasm there is for the right to marriage, there's far less interest in actual marriage among gay couples. The statistics from a recent Stockholm University study are pretty clear: gay couples get married at rates far lower (like, 1/6th overall) than straight couples do, and they divorce more frequently (half again as much in male couples, three times as much with lesbians).

Obviously, this doesn't address the factors leading to those decisions, but overall the best statistics we have are pretty grim.
 
2012-09-22 11:27:12 AM  

Girl From The North Country: I can't believe Minnesota is polling as close as it is. I shake my head at humanity.


Progress is slow but steady. We're moving forward on this, especially thanks to the President who finally decided to show some leadership.
 
2012-09-22 11:27:30 AM  
I'm in washington, and I think it will pass with enough margin to inspire other states. The pro-gay marriage group has reaised over 4 million and the group against has raise about half a million.

The talking has completely deginerated to one single point "I'm not against it, I just thing we have more important things to worry about."

Yes that is the actual talking point. The irony is that The state legislature passed the law allowing gay marriage earlier this year. The reason we are voting on it is becuase the people who oppose it went out and got the signatures to put an referendum on the ballot to overturn the law.

So we are deal with this because of them because we have better things to do.
 
2012-09-22 11:31:53 AM  
Had my commitment ceremony last year, hope to make it legal in MD in January. :)

/could just get married in DC since MD recognizes all marriages from there
//but that would require travelling a whole mile, and who wants to do that?
///slashies come in threes
 
2012-09-22 11:42:46 AM  
HOTY material right there.

+1 for Subs.

+ELEVENTY For Maryland, Washington and Maine for trending positive on this.

-1 for those folk in Minnesota who are still living in a previous century.
 
2012-09-22 11:55:59 AM  
I'm in NYC and just today, a couple I know sent me pictures of their wedding last week.

They looked so happy. They are both such young and vibrant women, and they both wore traditional wedding gowns. It amazes me that just last year they wouldn't have been able to join together in such a way, and that just 10 miles over in NJ their marriage is not legally recognized.
 
2012-09-22 11:57:51 AM  

gerrymander: StrandedInAZ: What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

It's not just Arizona. However much enthusiasm there is for the right to marriage, there's far less interest in actual marriage among gay couples. The statistics from a recent Stockholm University study are pretty clear: gay couples get married at rates far lower (like, 1/6th overall) than straight couples do, and they divorce more frequently (half again as much in male couples, three times as much with lesbians).

Obviously, this doesn't address the factors leading to those decisions, but overall the best statistics we have are pretty grim.


This seems a very odd response to the issue. I mean so what? Black Americans are less likely to get married than whites. Again, so what?

The whole point of civil rights is not to grant them to the people who use them, it's to ensure that everyone CAN use them.

Also, I'm not too sure why you consider a study done in 2004 as "recent" or relevant when is looked at gay marriage in Norway which country has much greater protections for non-married same-sex couple when it comes to almost everything that only marriage in the States can guarantee.
 
2012-09-22 12:03:37 PM  
Bravo subby!
 
2012-09-22 12:05:50 PM  

StrandedInAZ: I really hope it passes in Washington State. My girlfriend and I are moving there next year. We've decided we just can't continue to live in AZ, where our chances of getting the right to marry are slim to none. I had initially hoped we could stay here and try to change it from within, but I've given up on this backward state.

What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

/can't wait to leave


Your gay friends should recognize that just because they don't need it doesn't mean that they should be apathetic about others who do. It's important that the option is available. I don't particularly dig abortion, but far be it from me to tell a woman what rights she has and doesn't have over her own body. And despite being a male, I've fought tooth and nail for that right (well, written scathing editorials and letters against those who want to curtail it). I don't want to get married, either (straight guy, confirmed bachelor after many misfires). But the right of two people to be allowed to share the same legal love as another, different couple is fundamental. If I'm not affected by it but still passionately support the cause, WTF does that say about your gay friends?

Where I live, the gay community is very passionate about the issue of their own basic farking right to be happy. Of course there are some simply apolitical folks who don't care (not everyone gets into this sorta thing, even if it's their own civil rights in question). I think it's sad you've experienced such disregard in AZ, by people directly affected by the cause. Reminds me of people on food stamps putting Mitt Romney signs on their weed-ridden yard.
 
2012-09-22 12:20:24 PM  
That's gay. Hopefully, we will stop denying consent adults the right to choose their life partner, regardless of the partner's sex.

As of Christians,"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1-2
 
2012-09-22 12:26:07 PM  
Do you like oak?
 
2012-09-22 12:34:39 PM  
-- In Maryland, 54 percent said they'll back the state law that was passed by the legislature earlier this year, compared to 40 percent who are opposed,

Polls show that people lie to pollsters.
 
2012-09-22 12:51:34 PM  
My understanding is that certain victory requires a 10 point lead, because people are ashamed to admit to pollsters that they are bigots. Plus there are usually scare tactics in the last few weeks that change the numbers anyway.
 
2012-09-22 01:01:11 PM  

ginandbacon: MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.

I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.


If you're voting on pure economic lines and not moral/religious ones, consider that a casino does basically nothing but amass wealth for the owners. It produces no good and provides no beneficial service. Entertainment is a valid need, yes, but a movie theatre or similar thing is far more cost-effective. The thirty or so employees which a casino will 'trickle down' the wealth to is nothing to the money it will reap from the local economy.

This is fine in a robust economic climate, but in a recession or unacknowledged depression, it's terrible.
 
2012-09-22 01:10:32 PM  

ginandbacon: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: ginandbacon: MacEnvy: ginandbacon: I am so excited to get to vote for marriage equality this fall in Maryland :)

Yup. We get to vote yes on question 4 (Dream Act) AND question 6 (gay marriage). I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about question 7 (PG casino), even though I live in PG County.

I'm torn on 7. I've lived in places with casinos and I don't necessarily view them as absolute evils. Hell, I've enjoyed the occasional weekend at them not to mention how much I freaking LOVE Vegas, but It's an industry that can create a lot of problems for a lot of people. On the other hand, jobs. On the other other hand, why not promote better jobs that pay more and don't prey on people with addictive tendencies. On the other other other hand (am I onto my feet now?) I'm not sure I really care at all. I don't know. I may just skip that one. I do that when I feel like I don't know enough/care enough about an issue to weigh in.

Still, yay Dream Act and marriage equality!!!!!

The jobs suck.

/Oregon

Yeah, I know :(

I seriously don't know how to vote on this.


Vote yes. It's a vote for free choice. You love freedom, don't you?
 
2012-09-22 01:19:25 PM  

starsrift: in a recession or unacknowledged depression, it's terrible.


BarkingUnicorn: Vote yes. It's a vote for free choice. You love freedom, don't you?


You people are NOT helping!!!!

I think I'm going with the exploit the NoVas vote.
 
2012-09-22 01:21:17 PM  

smitty04: Polls show that people lie to pollsters.


Actually, the final polling data asking specifically about the amendment in NC projected a 55-39 result in favor of the ban amendment (despite polls showing more supportive on civil unions, possibly due to voters not realizing the amendment banned both). Given the 61-39 result, that suggests at most the "undecided" are not willing to admit their bigotry to a pollster.

This suggests the vote will go for allowing Gay marriage in ME, WA, and MD, but that a narrow loss in WI is likely. (Based on the California 2008 results, however, that's unlikely to be enough to also tip WI in Romney's direction.)
 
2012-09-22 01:25:39 PM  

gerrymander: It's not just Arizona. However much enthusiasm there is for the right to marriage, there's far less interest in actual marriage among gay couples. The statistics from a recent Stockholm University study are pretty clear: gay couples get married at rates far lower (like, 1/6th overall) than straight couples do, and they divorce more frequently (half again as much in male couples, three times as much with lesbians).

Obviously, this doesn't address the factors leading to those decisions, but overall the best statistics we have are pretty grim.


I haven't seen the Stockholm study but my partner and I haven't chosen to get marriage for a simple reason: you enter a legal grey area at a federal level. But even if the study is valid (and that's a big if considering the awful studies done by fringe groups in the last few years) - its still not an excuse to not allow same-sex couples to get married.

/and considering how much straight couples of raped and pillaged marriage over the years - I wouldn't throw stones in glass houses
 
2012-09-22 01:29:32 PM  

gerrymander: StrandedInAZ: What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

It's not just Arizona. However much enthusiasm there is for the right to marriage, there's far less interest in actual marriage among gay couples. The statistics from a recent Stockholm University study are pretty clear: gay couples get married at rates far lower (like, 1/6th overall) than straight couples do, and they divorce more frequently (half again as much in male couples, three times as much with lesbians).

Obviously, this doesn't address the factors leading to those decisions, but overall the best statistics we have are pretty grim.


Your concern for the "grim" results of a study of the Netherlands (weird, you didn't mention that part) is duly noted.
 
2012-09-22 01:38:59 PM  

gingerjet: gerrymander: It's not just Arizona. However much enthusiasm there is for the right to marriage, there's far less interest in actual marriage among gay couples. The statistics from a recent Stockholm University study are pretty clear: gay couples get married at rates far lower (like, 1/6th overall) than straight couples do, and they divorce more frequently (half again as much in male couples, three times as much with lesbians).

Obviously, this doesn't address the factors leading to those decisions, but overall the best statistics we have are pretty grim.

I haven't seen the Stockholm study but my partner and I haven't chosen to get marriage for a simple reason: you enter a legal grey area at a federal level. But even if the study is valid (and that's a big if considering the awful studies done by fringe groups in the last few years) - its still not an excuse to not allow same-sex couples to get married.

/and considering how much straight couples of raped and pillaged marriage over the years - I wouldn't throw stones in glass houses


It's a study of the Netherlands, widely disseminated among right wing anti gay sites that gerrymander likes to frequent.
In the UK, gay divorce rates are lower than straight divorce rates Link
The only state in the US that has had gay marriage for any length of time is Mass, and they don't keep track of "gay vs straight" divorce stats. They do, however, have a higher marriage rate now than they did five years ago. Link
And this is in a country that doesn't even honor the 10th Amendment and recognize their marriages.

Oh, but our little concern troll desperately wants you to know how "grim" everything is for the gays.
 
2012-09-22 01:49:58 PM  
For the record, I will not ever marry again; being married felt like having the Supreme Court building hanging over my head, waiting to drop and crush me when my then-wife became bored.

The actual divorce didn't destroy me, but I didn't always expect to survive it. I associate marriage with that feeling.

However, I expect to have the same rights as any other person.

It is important because accepting less than marriage equality implies that I accept the right to pay the same taxes for a lower legal status, like I'm maybe 85% of a person.

I'm not willing to settle for that.
 
2012-09-22 01:58:26 PM  

Chameleon: StrandedInAZ: I really hope it passes in Washington State. My girlfriend and I are moving there next year. We've decided we just can't continue to live in AZ, where our chances of getting the right to marry are slim to none. I had initially hoped we could stay here and try to change it from within, but I've given up on this backward state.

What's most disturbing to me in AZ is the amount of apathy with which we're met. I can't tell you how many of our gay friends have told us that gay marriage isn't important to them because they never intend to marry anyway. The derp is really strong down here.

/can't wait to leave

Welcome to our state. On the left hand side of the mountains, we have cities and people are awesome but you'll want to kill yourself every year from November through April. On the right hand side, you get hot summers and sunny(ish) winters but there's nothing but wheat and rednecks. Choose wisely.


Actually it's more like November through June. People get used to it, though - it took me the better part of two decades, but now it's okay. I think that's why coffee, microwbrews, and heroin are all so popular here. They're just coping mechanisms.

/Welcome StrandedinAZ
//I'll save a couple of barstools for you and your partner
 
2012-09-22 01:58:50 PM  
Did he blow a kiss at the end? Ted Koppel is my mother farking hero!!!
 
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