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(Foss Patents)   Not content with $250 million per curved corner, Apple would like another $700 million because Samsung uses the letter A and just give us more damned money   (fosspatents.com) divider line 112
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2012-09-22 05:12:36 AM
Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.
 
2012-09-22 06:49:25 AM
After this shiat, I'm never buying a product from Apple.

Ever.
 
2012-09-22 06:50:45 AM

bingethinker: It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.


If they keep releasing the same phone just with different packaging that's not gonna last long.
 
2012-09-22 06:51:32 AM
Megabillionarie problems.
 
2012-09-22 06:53:56 AM
BTW Apple has to first hope everything survives the inevitable appeals, which given a few things the jury admitted and other factors, is not entirely likely. Also someone have the people at Apple read up on the history of the Wright Brothers and then Glenn Curtiss.
 
2012-09-22 07:06:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: bingethinker: It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

If they keep releasing the same phone just with different packaging that's not gonna last long.


Oh, I don't know. They'll probably buy it anyway.
 
2012-09-22 07:38:00 AM

WhyteRaven74: BTW Apple has to first hope everything survives the inevitable appeals, which given a few things the jury admitted and other factors, is not entirely likely. Also someone have the people at Apple read up on the history of the Wright Brothers and then Glenn Curtiss.


They are asking for 700 million more dollars because it's their only chance left to make money before their company goes to shiat without jobs at the helm.

/iOS maps is proof that the Apple ship is already starting to list quite badly.
 
2012-09-22 07:39:17 AM
I wonder if any of those are for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, the phone that the jury found did not infringe any patents, and then awarded damages for patent infringement on anyway.
 
2012-09-22 07:40:51 AM
Tablet, rather than phone, my bad. It's all a difference in scale these days with you kids and your gizmos.
 
2012-09-22 07:49:48 AM
I'm sure that America having a substantively different environment of IP and patent law from the rest of the world will work out just dandy.
 
2012-09-22 07:51:29 AM
I'm pretty sure no one is actually going to read that article.
 
2012-09-22 07:51:45 AM

bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.


yawn
 
2012-09-22 08:10:08 AM

fluffy2097: /iOS maps is proof that the Apple ship is already starting to list quite badly.


One app is the proof? Wow. You'd be a really sh*tty judge.
 
2012-09-22 08:14:39 AM

NewportBarGuy: fluffy2097: /iOS maps is proof that the Apple ship is already starting to list quite badly.

One app is the proof? Wow. You'd be a really sh*tty judge.


You think Jobs would have let a steaming pile of shiat like that be released? That he'd let his sleek magical device be paired with a giant splatter of diarrhea? Don't make me laugh.

Steve Jobs hired a ton of talented assholes to do his work. He was very good at keeping them in line. Without him to keep them in line, they are already going off the rails, pursuing their own interests and pet projects, and shoehorning them into production without the same level of testing Jobs would demand.
 
2012-09-22 08:15:58 AM

bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.


Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.
 
2012-09-22 08:21:14 AM

Tommy Moo: bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.


Android is the software (made by Google), Samsung and Motorola make the hardware.
 
2012-09-22 08:22:18 AM

Tommy Moo: bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.


Motorola makes the Droid, "Android" is the name of the OS that runs on all them though, developed by Google.
 
2012-09-22 08:23:34 AM

Tommy Moo: bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.


Yeas, but Samsung doesn't run Android, which was made by google, it runs Fandroid, based a free AppStore made available erroneously for 22.45 mins whilst Jobs was enroute to the gym. The rest is browser history.
 
2012-09-22 08:36:31 AM

tedbundee: Tommy Moo: bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.

Android is the software (made by Google), Samsung and Motorola make the hardware.


ReverendJasen: Tommy Moo: bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.

Motorola makes the Droid, "Android" is the name of the OS that runs on all them though, developed by Google.


uttertosh: Tommy Moo: bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

Not that I give a damn about brand names or loyalties, but I'm pretty sure Samsung makes the Galaxy. The Android is Motorola, I think.

Yeas, but Samsung doesn't run Android, which was made by google, it runs Fandroid, based a free AppStore made available erroneously for 22.45 mins whilst Jobs was enroute to the gym. The rest is browser history.


Well... I guess that shut me up!
 
2012-09-22 08:40:03 AM
Wow.. Apple fans are more androids than Android is.
 
2012-09-22 08:40:54 AM
fark you, Apple.
 
2012-09-22 08:46:39 AM

fluffy2097: NewportBarGuy: fluffy2097: /iOS maps is proof that the Apple ship is already starting to list quite badly.

One app is the proof? Wow. You'd be a really sh*tty judge.

You think Jobs would have let a steaming pile of shiat like that be released? That he'd let his sleek magical device be paired with a giant splatter of diarrhea? Don't make me laugh.

Steve Jobs hired a ton of talented assholes to do his work. He was very good at keeping them in line. Without him to keep them in line, they are already going off the rails, pursuing their own interests and pet projects, and shoehorning them into production without the same level of testing Jobs would demand.


You think Steve Jobs would let a phone be released that would not function as a phone if you held it like a phone?

He would?

Never mind.
 
2012-09-22 09:15:46 AM

Kiribub: WhyteRaven74: bingethinker: It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.

If they keep releasing the same phone just with different packaging that's not gonna last long.

Oh, I don't know. They'll probably buy it anyway.


That is exactly how I imagined people would be...
 
2012-09-22 09:44:14 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: fluffy2097: NewportBarGuy: fluffy2097: /iOS maps is proof that the Apple ship is already starting to list quite badly.

One app is the proof? Wow. You'd be a really sh*tty judge.

You think Jobs would have let a steaming pile of shiat like that be released? That he'd let his sleek magical device be paired with a giant splatter of diarrhea? Don't make me laugh.

Steve Jobs hired a ton of talented assholes to do his work. He was very good at keeping them in line. Without him to keep them in line, they are already going off the rails, pursuing their own interests and pet projects, and shoehorning them into production without the same level of testing Jobs would demand.

You think Steve Jobs would let a phone be released that would not function as a phone if you held it like a phone?

He would?

Never mind.


That was an unforeseen situation. Do YOU really think Jobs would let a phone be released if he know about such blatant flaw?

Their mistake that time was hubris. They thought the phone was perfect. It was the iPhone4, the one that changed everything all over again (lol), how could it have a flaw?

Then as thousands and thousands and then millions of people adopted it, it became quite clear it had that flaw.
 
2012-09-22 09:46:45 AM
Hey Apple: The Farking Beatles would like another word, you smarmy, self-righteous, thieving douchebags.
 
2012-09-22 09:48:35 AM
dl.dropbox.com


My goodness. Where is all this sudden Apple-hater butthurt explosion coming from?

The iPhone 5 looks to be the fastest smartphone we've ever tested at PCMag.com.

Ahhh... That explains it. Apple's one little phone has defeated the entire Android lineup.

Wait till the battery life tests versus the Android lineup are published. You can expect the Apple-hater butthurt to crank way up past eleven.
 
2012-09-22 10:21:20 AM

BullBearMS: My goodness. Where is all this sudden Apple-hater butthurt explosion coming from?

The iPhone 5 looks to be the fastest smartphone we've ever tested at PCMag.com.

Ahhh... That explains it. Apple's one little phone has defeated the entire Android lineup.

Wait till the battery life tests versus the Android lineup are published. You can expect the Apple-hater butthurt to crank way up past eleven.


Wrong pic bro. That was right after khan killed a bunch of people and smuggly told kirk that "ill hurt you like you hurt me, marooned on a dead world. Buried alive... buried alive... buried alive." So basically you've mixed your metaphore. In this situation, kirk would be samsung and khan would be apple.
 
2012-09-22 10:22:02 AM

frankmanhog: I wonder if any of those are for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, the phone that the jury found did not infringe any patents, and then awarded damages for patent infringement on anyway.


When the jury deal with 700 individual complaints in the space of three minutes each you have to expect the odd problem....
 
2012-09-22 10:22:59 AM

threadjackistan: BullBearMS: My goodness. Where is all this sudden Apple-hater butthurt explosion coming from?

The iPhone 5 looks to be the fastest smartphone we've ever tested at PCMag.com.

Ahhh... That explains it. Apple's one little phone has defeated the entire Android lineup.

Wait till the battery life tests versus the Android lineup are published. You can expect the Apple-hater butthurt to crank way up past eleven.

Wrong pic bro. That was right after khan killed a bunch of people and smuggly told kirk that "ill hurt you like you hurt me, marooned on a dead world. Buried alive... buried alive... buried alive." So basically you've mixed your metaphore. In this situation, kirk would be samsung and khan would be apple.


Wow, need more coffee, I guess you got the characters right, but missed the point. Or maybe my meter is broken this morning.
 
2012-09-22 10:28:26 AM

threadjackistan: Wrong pic bro. That was right after khan killed a bunch of people and smuggly told kirk that "ill hurt you like you hurt me, marooned on a dead world. Buried alive... buried alive... buried alive." So basically you've mixed your metaphore. In this situation, kirk would be samsung and khan would be apple.


So you think Samsung will win in the end? ;D
 
2012-09-22 10:35:30 AM

rocky_howard: threadjackistan: Wrong pic bro. That was right after khan killed a bunch of people and smuggly told kirk that "ill hurt you like you hurt me, marooned on a dead world. Buried alive... buried alive... buried alive." So basically you've mixed your metaphore. In this situation, kirk would be samsung and khan would be apple.

So you think Samsung will win in the end? ;D


That's what I got. Kirk was pissed off, but won in the end.

Maybe one of the reasons the iPhone is faster is it only has to run a far lower resolution screen? After all, it's not even true HD capable (720p)....
 
2012-09-22 10:43:41 AM

Flint Ironstag: Maybe one of the reasons the iPhone is faster is it only has to run a far lower resolution screen? After all, it's not even true HD capable (720p)....


Nope. The tests take that into account.

The Galaxy S III has 26 percent more pixels than the iPhone 5 (921,600 to the iPhone's 727,400) but as you can see, in the "offscreen" measure of raw graphics performance, the iPhone 5 doubles the Galaxy S III's result. It's simply a more powerful phone.
 
2012-09-22 10:49:48 AM

Flint Ironstag: Maybe one of the reasons the iPhone is faster is it only has to run a far lower resolution screen? After all, it's not even true HD capable (720p)....


It also doesn't have to run widgets since Apple loves to keep the outdated interface.

Also, the whole thing was a sham in the first place. The photos Apple used as "evidence" were not just doctored, but also disingenuous.

This is NOT what should be shown since the Samsung image is just a LIST of the apps/options not the actual interface. A grid of icons is something that has existed in every computer device.

techbu.com

This is an accurate description of what the actual interfaces look like "as is".

cdn.pocketnow.com
 
2012-09-22 10:55:18 AM

rocky_howard: threadjackistan: Wrong pic bro. That was right after khan killed a bunch of people and smuggly told kirk that "ill hurt you like you hurt me, marooned on a dead world. Buried alive... buried alive... buried alive." So basically you've mixed your metaphore. In this situation, kirk would be samsung and khan would be apple.

So you think Samsung will win in the end? ;D


Plus like, Khan went around brainwashing guys like chekov and captain terrel
 
2012-09-22 10:58:35 AM

BullBearMS: [dl.dropbox.com image 400x300]


My goodness. Where is all this sudden Apple-hater butthurt explosion coming from?

The iPhone 5 looks to be the fastest smartphone we've ever tested at PCMag.com.

Ahhh... That explains it. Apple's one little phone has defeated the entire Android lineup.

Wait till the battery life tests versus the Android lineup are published. You can expect the Apple-hater butthurt to crank way up past eleven.


According to my notes, you want to suck Steve Jobs' cock.

How does it feel that you'll never be able to do that now? Does it turn your throat?
 
2012-09-22 11:08:56 AM

Satanic_Hamster: According to my notes, you want to suck Steve Jobs' cock.


My goodness. I guess someone with as much butthurt as you are experiencing knows a thing or two about cocks.

Seriously, why does the fact that Apple made a much faster phone than everybody else put together cause you such a huge case of raging butthurt?

Oh, the horror of admitting to independent test results?
 
2012-09-22 11:10:57 AM
ignoring the astounding price, apple hardware has always been pretty top notch. i'd get a fancy iphone5 in a second if they'd ever release one that : accepted dual sim, micro SD, quad-band gsm capable, could be jail-broke or whatever to let me do whatever i want with my files.

i'd even put up with stupid proprietary cables and connectors. the magnetic power cable for the laptops is bad-ass, i would love to have that kind of connector for a cell-phone. but the connectors in the iphones seem just as fragile as microUSB. 

i think most of the hate is from apple having (oh here we go) generally mechanically superior products, but charging an arm and a leg for them, AND assuming their users can't be trusted to "have the keys to the car", so-to-speak. it's pretty insulting to not be trusted to attach files in an email.
 
2012-09-22 11:18:07 AM

BullBearMS: Seriously, why does the fact that Apple made a much faster phone than everybody else put together cause you such a huge case of raging butthurt?


Faster? How fast can you put in a new 64GB SD card? How fast can you swap out batteries? How fast can you read on the tiny screen?
 
2012-09-22 11:18:40 AM

BullBearMS: The iPhone 5 looks to be the fastest smartphone we've ever tested at PCMag.com.

Ahhh... That explains it. Apple's one little phone has defeated the entire Android lineup.



No it hasn't. Just wait until the end of this month when 4 new Android powered phones come out and stomp the shiat out of anything the iCrap5 can do. Face it, there will always be a better Android phone, because there are far more companies using the OS.

But keep putting that ice pack on your bruised anus.
 
2012-09-22 11:19:00 AM

Flint Ironstag: frankmanhog: I wonder if any of those are for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, the phone that the jury found did not infringe any patents, and then awarded damages for patent infringement on anyway.

When the jury deal with 700 individual complaints in the space of three minutes each you have to expect the odd problem....


When many of the "700 individual complaints" are check boxes for different versions of Android phones with the same question, it's not as unreasonable as you'd think. It's really more like 15-20 questions, repeatedly applied to different products.

Also, what are you measuring it against? What's the usual speed for a jury in a trial like this? For example, in the previous "largest patent trial evar" between Microsoft and i4i, the jury deliberated for 3 hours.
 
2012-09-22 11:22:23 AM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: Maybe one of the reasons the iPhone is faster is it only has to run a far lower resolution screen? After all, it's not even true HD capable (720p)....

Nope. The tests take that into account.

The Galaxy S III has 26 percent more pixels than the iPhone 5 (921,600 to the iPhone's 727,400) but as you can see, in the "offscreen" measure of raw graphics performance, the iPhone 5 doubles the Galaxy S III's result. It's simply a more powerful phone.


You mean to tell me a phone released this week is faster then a phone released 7 months ago?
What is the world coming to???

Apple will be behind the curve in a few months or less.
 
2012-09-22 11:23:13 AM
I want to know how the battery lasts with the iPhone 5 compared the compared in real life outside cuppercino. LTE is a huge battery drain and apple would have to seriously under power the processor to accommodate this fact to get the battery life they claimed.
 
2012-09-22 11:26:17 AM

Theaetetus: Flint Ironstag: frankmanhog: I wonder if any of those are for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, the phone that the jury found did not infringe any patents, and then awarded damages for patent infringement on anyway.

When the jury deal with 700 individual complaints in the space of three minutes each you have to expect the odd problem....

When many of the "700 individual complaints" are check boxes for different versions of Android phones with the same question, it's not as unreasonable as you'd think. It's really more like 15-20 questions, repeatedly applied to different products.

Also, what are you measuring it against? What's the usual speed for a jury in a trial like this? For example, in the previous "largest patent trial evar" between Microsoft and i4i, the jury deliberated for 3 hours.


The fact that the foreman admitted that they ignored instructions from the judge pretty much sums up what is going to happen in appeals.
 
2012-09-22 11:28:28 AM

bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.


You are such an Apple fanboy. Not a single thread goes by where your verbal diarrhea doesn't appear mocking "fandroids".

/farking fanboys
 
2012-09-22 11:36:43 AM

BullBearMS: My goodness. I guess someone with as much butthurt as you are experiencing knows a thing or two about cocks.

Seriously, why does the fact that Apple made a much faster phone than everybody else put together cause you such a huge case of raging butthurt?

Oh, the horror of admitting to independent test results?


Why would I care about phone stats?
 
2012-09-22 11:38:03 AM

bingethinker: Cry those bitter tears, little Fandroid. It seems like the more you sob, the more iPhones they sell.


uh, you realize Androids have been outpacing iphone sales and that's why Apple has resorted to a pathetic "sue our way to the top" model.
 
2012-09-22 11:40:12 AM

Bill Frist: uh, you realize Androids have been outpacing iphone sales and that's why Apple has resorted to a pathetic "sue our way to the top" model.


Not even "androids". Samsung alone has been selling more than Apple and THAT's what's hurting them.

Before Samsung's rise to power, Apple was content that even though Android was already selling more than iPhone, it was still a bunch of different companies being added up.
 
2012-09-22 11:43:14 AM

jaflasvegas: I want to know how the battery lasts with the iPhone 5 compared the compared in real life outside cuppercino. LTE is a huge battery drain and apple would have to seriously under power the processor to accommodate this fact to get the battery life they claimed.


Apple spent half a Billion dollars buying up companies that had experience creating processors that enabled high performance and extended battery life.

Then they hired away from ARM the guy who led the creation of the ARM A9 CPU that everyone uses today and the ARM A15 that everyone is just getting ready to switch over to.

Then they designed the custom CPU in their current phone. (The Galaxy S III runs on a custom Krait CPU designed by Qualcomm)

We'll have to wait for the independent testing to confirm it, but Apple says they get three more hours of web browsing over LTE than the Droid RAZR Maxx with it's huge extended battery, despite the iPhone's better performance and a third lower weight.

Apple's battery life estimates tend to be conservative over the last few years, but let's see.
 
2012-09-22 11:48:54 AM
Also in the news today from one of the Android focused websites:

iPhone 5 vs Samsung Galaxy S3 drop test - Samsung fans, it's not looking pretty


Folks, to quote our Darcy LaCouvee, the iPhone 5 is "rock solid". It's not often that you see such words on Android Authority. What could have pushed Darcy, an Android fanatic, to utter such radical words?

Well, as much as we hate to admit it, the iPhone 5 did amazingly well in our drop test, while the Samsung Galaxy S3 came out in pretty bad shape. It's the cold hard truth that we can't hide and we can't ignore.

The hard aluminum shell of the iPhone 5 withstood the impact pretty well, and the glass protecting the display remained intact. Meanwhile, the Galaxy S3 predictably lost its back cover and suffered damage to the casing and the front glass. Sad, sad, sad.
 
2012-09-22 11:50:38 AM

BullBearMS: Also in the news today from one of the Android focused websites:

iPhone 5 vs Samsung Galaxy S3 drop test - Samsung fans, it's not looking pretty

Folks, to quote our Darcy LaCouvee, the iPhone 5 is "rock solid". It's not often that you see such words on Android Authority. What could have pushed Darcy, an Android fanatic, to utter such radical words?

Well, as much as we hate to admit it, the iPhone 5 did amazingly well in our drop test, while the Samsung Galaxy S3 came out in pretty bad shape. It's the cold hard truth that we can't hide and we can't ignore.

The hard aluminum shell of the iPhone 5 withstood the impact pretty well, and the glass protecting the display remained intact. Meanwhile, the Galaxy S3 predictably lost its back cover and suffered damage to the casing and the front glass. Sad, sad, sad.


You mean to say that a device with a removable battery that you have remove the back cover to replace might have the back cover come off IF YOU DROP IT!?!?!

THE HELL YOU SAY!
 
2012-09-22 11:51:42 AM

rocky_howard: Flint Ironstag: Maybe one of the reasons the iPhone is faster is it only has to run a far lower resolution screen? After all, it's not even true HD capable (720p)....

It also doesn't have to run widgets since Apple loves to keep the outdated interface.

Also, the whole thing was a sham in the first place. The photos Apple used as "evidence" were not just doctored, but also disingenuous.

This is NOT what should be shown since the Samsung image is just a LIST of the apps/options not the actual interface. A grid of icons is something that has existed in every computer device.

[techbu.com image 600x400]

This is an accurate description of what the actual interfaces look like "as is".

[cdn.pocketnow.com image 575x431]


Exactly. Apple had to bring up the "List all apps" screen, rarely used, and try to suggest it looked the same as the iPhone's home screen. Android home screens can look any way its user wants. I could have one icon on the main screen, or even none at all if I wanted. Or four apps down the right hand side, or a weather widget on the left and one icon in the bottom right or....

Since my HTC has seven screens side by side I group certain types of app together on each screen, and arrange them so they don't hide the Kate Beckinsale wallpaper.

BTW, is it really true that you can't attach files to an email on the iPhone?
 
2012-09-22 11:53:49 AM

Flint Ironstag: is it really true that you can't attach files to an email on the iPhone?


No.
 
2012-09-22 11:57:13 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: You mean to say that a device with a removable battery that you have remove the back cover to replace might have the back cover come off IF YOU DROP IT!?!?!


dl.dropbox.com

Also, the screen breaks and the case gets gouged.
 
2012-09-22 12:06:28 PM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: is it really true that you can't attach files to an email on the iPhone?

No.


A quick Googling brings up lots of people having problems attaching files to email replies, and people saying it can't be done. Several suggested workarounds like create an email, attach files and then copy that to the reply.

Sounds a bit like the "workaround" to make a song into a ringtone without having to pay Apple again for a song you already own or the workaround to crop images by taking a screenshot because the iPhone didn't have a crop tool. Both things Android can do easily, and in the case of cropping without reducing the resolution like the screenshot workaround.
 
2012-09-22 12:06:48 PM

BullBearMS: Also in the news today from one of the Android focused websites:

iPhone 5 vs Samsung Galaxy S3 drop test - Samsung fans, it's not looking pretty

Folks, to quote our Darcy LaCouvee, the iPhone 5 is "rock solid". It's not often that you see such words on Android Authority. What could have pushed Darcy, an Android fanatic, to utter such radical words?

Well, as much as we hate to admit it, the iPhone 5 did amazingly well in our drop test, while the Samsung Galaxy S3 came out in pretty bad shape. It's the cold hard truth that we can't hide and we can't ignore.

The hard aluminum shell of the iPhone 5 withstood the impact pretty well, and the glass protecting the display remained intact. Meanwhile, the Galaxy S3 predictably lost its back cover and suffered damage to the casing and the front glass. Sad, sad, sad.


Testing in a non-controlled environment, are not trustworthy tests.
The even more laughable test was the last one. The Android was damaged, the screen integrity compromised. Of course it's going to suffer further damage with another drop.
Get back to us when testing is done with both units being subjected to equal damaging impacts, and not just a random drop.
 
2012-09-22 12:16:27 PM

BullBearMS: The_Six_Fingered_Man: You mean to say that a device with a removable battery that you have remove the back cover to replace might have the back cover come off IF YOU DROP IT!?!?!

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x400]

Also, the screen breaks and the case gets gouged.


Having watched that video it's hardly a scientific test. The precise angle something hits the floor can make a huge difference. These guys made no attempt at all to ensure both phones impacted at the same angle, they just threw them at the floor, and a floor that is a pavement with raised edges! How do they know the S3 didn't hit the corner of a paving stone while the iPhone landed on the flat surface? Or the S3 didn't land vertically with the entire weight transmitted to the impact and the iPhone at 45 degrees allowing much of the impact to dissipate?

By all means it may suggest Apple have improved the phone from the 4S after all the criticism that received, but we're going to have to wait and see how it performs over enough drops to be statistically significant.
 
2012-09-22 12:17:25 PM
AVG beat me to it. Must type faster next time.
 
2012-09-22 12:22:24 PM

Flint Ironstag: A quick Googling brings up lots of people having problems attaching files


iOS sandboxes applications for security reasons. Apps can't go digging into files owned by other apps. That way if one app should be compromised, it can't affect any other app or access your private data elsewhere on the phone. This includes the mail app.

Theoretically, Android does the same thing, but as you've noticed the rules don't seem to apply to mail on Android.

On iOS, you just open the document you want to attach and hit the button to share it via email.
 
2012-09-22 12:29:00 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Testing in a non-controlled environment, are not trustworthy tests.


Yes. An Android fanboy website is secretly giving Apple's smartphone an unseen advantage in their video of drop tests they conducted.

They described the breakage of the glass on the Galaxy S III as a result of the fall test as "predictable" because they are mean, mean people.
 
2012-09-22 12:29:53 PM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: A quick Googling brings up lots of people having problems attaching files

iOS sandboxes applications for security reasons. Apps can't go digging into files owned by other apps. That way if one app should be compromised, it can't affect any other app or access your private data elsewhere on the phone. This includes the mail app.

Theoretically, Android does the same thing, but as you've noticed the rules don't seem to apply to mail on Android.

On iOS, you just open the document you want to attach and hit the button to share it via email.


Hence not being able to attach files to replies. Any reason that is any more secure? "You can't attach files because it's a security risk but if you open the file first then it's fine"?
 
2012-09-22 12:34:15 PM

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Testing in a non-controlled environment, are not trustworthy tests.

Yes. An Android fanboy website is secretly giving Apple's smartphone an unseen advantage in their video of drop tests they conducted.

They described the breakage of the glass on the Galaxy S III as a result of the fall test as "predictable" because they are mean, mean people.


Well an uncontrolled test certainly cannot show they didn't, without any doubt. There's a reason actual testing is done in very controlled environments, many times, over and over at all angles etc.

Had they even slid both phones off a vertical surface to ensure they both landed vertically that would have been something.

I've dropped coffee mugs and wine bottles on the floor without them breaking, buy I can't use those odd isolated cases to state "Wine bottles and coffee mugs will not break when you drop them"
 
2012-09-22 12:38:46 PM

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Testing in a non-controlled environment, are not trustworthy tests.

Yes. An Android fanboy website is secretly giving Apple's smartphone an unseen advantage in their video of drop tests they conducted.

They described the breakage of the glass on the Galaxy S III as a result of the fall test as "predictable" because they are mean, mean people.


And had the iPhone fared badly, which I'm sure with the randomness of these tests there was that equal chance, then I'm sure it would have been because it was done on a 'Android Fanboy' website.

Also, most people that have a phone that is just not an accessory statement, use a protective case.
 
2012-09-22 12:39:32 PM

Flint Ironstag: Any reason that is any more secure?


Hmmm... Let's see which Phone OS has a malware problem.

Android smartphones and tablets are the hottest targets. Virtually all mobile malware samples detected are intended for Android, ranging from malware that sends out SMS messages, or fraudulent SMS payments, mobile botnets, spyware, and Trojans that can capture or destroy data from Android devices.

It looks like strict security policy is helpful. Especially in the face of Android malware that can go wild destroying data all over the phone.

Flint Ironstag: "You can't attach files because it's a security risk but if you open the file first then it's fine"?


This is the exact same thing Microsoft does with UAC. The user is allowed to perform actions that are forbidden to applications.
 
2012-09-22 12:39:43 PM

Flint Ironstag: BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: A quick Googling brings up lots of people having problems attaching files

iOS sandboxes applications for security reasons. Apps can't go digging into files owned by other apps. That way if one app should be compromised, it can't affect any other app or access your private data elsewhere on the phone. This includes the mail app.

Theoretically, Android does the same thing, but as you've noticed the rules don't seem to apply to mail on Android.

On iOS, you just open the document you want to attach and hit the button to share it via email.

Hence not being able to attach files to replies. Any reason that is any more secure? "You can't attach files because it's a security risk but if you open the file first then it's fine"?


What if I want to share in reply to an email from someone, to keep the response in-thread?
 
2012-09-22 12:43:37 PM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: Any reason that is any more secure?

Hmmm... Let's see which Phone OS has a malware problem.

Android smartphones and tablets are the hottest targets. Virtually all mobile malware samples detected are intended for Android, ranging from malware that sends out SMS messages, or fraudulent SMS payments, mobile botnets, spyware, and Trojans that can capture or destroy data from Android devices.

It looks like strict security policy is helpful. Especially in the face of Android malware that can go wild destroying data all over the phone.


So Apple is willing to cripple a device to 'protect' the ignorant users from installing a dodgy app.

I think I'd rather use my own common sense and have a more open platform.

But you go ahead and enjoy your iPhone.
 
2012-09-22 12:46:04 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Testing in a non-controlled environment, are not trustworthy tests.


Give it a rest. Both phones struck the ground on the corner of the device, as the photos of the aftermath show.

dl.dropbox.com

dl.dropbox.com 

See the little ding on the iPhone right next to the glass?

It turns out that metal is more sturdy than plastic. Who knew?
 
2012-09-22 12:47:55 PM

mr pity: What if I want to share in reply to an email from someone, to keep the response in-thread?


Go to the file you want to attach. Copy. Go to the email. Paste.

Not unlike moving files in Windows Explorer.
 
2012-09-22 12:49:14 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Apple is willing to cripple a device to 'protect' the ignorant users from installing a dodgy app.


Why did Microsoft "cripple" Windows with UAC?

Enjoy your malware.
 
2012-09-22 12:51:12 PM

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Testing in a non-controlled environment, are not trustworthy tests.

Give it a rest. Both phones struck the ground on the corner of the device, as the photos of the aftermath show.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x400]

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x400] 

See the little ding on the iPhone right next to the glass?

It turns out that metal is more sturdy than plastic. Who knew?


bsalert.com

Well I guess you showed me. I feel so stupid now.
 
2012-09-22 12:51:41 PM

BullBearMS: See the little ding on the iPhone right next to the glass?

It turns out that metal is more sturdy than plastic. Who knew?


Does the iPhone 4S fare better? Because it's disingenuous of you to compare an older phone to the one that got released last week.

Also, wasn't Apple the ones who started the "glass phone" shiat anyway only to back down once they realized it was too fragile?
 
2012-09-22 12:58:08 PM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: Any reason that is any more secure?

Hmmm... Let's see which Phone OS has a malware problem.

Android smartphones and tablets are the hottest targets. Virtually all mobile malware samples detected are intended for Android, ranging from malware that sends out SMS messages, or fraudulent SMS payments, mobile botnets, spyware, and Trojans that can capture or destroy data from Android devices.

It looks like strict security policy is helpful. Especially in the face of Android malware that can go wild destroying data all over the phone.

Flint Ironstag: "You can't attach files because it's a security risk but if you open the file first then it's fine"?

This is the exact same thing Microsoft does with UAC. The user is allowed to perform actions that are forbidden to applications.


And yet an application is allowed to open mail and attach a file itself? How is that any different?

You say it's for security, but then say it's allowed if you do it from another application? How is that better?
 
2012-09-22 12:58:47 PM

rocky_howard: Does the iPhone 4S fare better? Because it's disingenuous of you to compare an older phone to the one that got released last week.


Are we pretending the Galaxy S III isn't Samsung's flagship phone and that it wasn't just released a couple of months ago?
 
2012-09-22 01:01:06 PM

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Apple is willing to cripple a device to 'protect' the ignorant users from installing a dodgy app.

Why did Microsoft "cripple" Windows with UAC?

Enjoy your malware.


UAC is an option that can be turned off. I know what I'm doing and like an OS that allows me to do that. You seem to be acknowledging that iOS is made for teenage girls or clueless adults who will just blindly click anything....
 
2012-09-22 01:03:16 PM

Flint Ironstag: And yet an application is allowed to open mail and attach a file itself?


The user is allowed to open any file in any application.

An application is allowed to open it's own files only.

The user is also allowed to share a file they open through multiple means, including attaching it to an email.

Do you not understand the concept of sandboxing?
 
2012-09-22 01:04:25 PM

Flint Ironstag: UAC is an option that can be turned off. I know what I'm doing and like an OS that allows me to do that. You seem to be acknowledging that iOS is made for teenage girls or clueless adults who will just blindly click anything....


Then jailbreak your iPhone and run as root. It is BSD Unix, after all.
 
2012-09-22 01:06:21 PM

jaflasvegas: Theaetetus: Flint Ironstag: frankmanhog: I wonder if any of those are for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, the phone that the jury found did not infringe any patents, and then awarded damages for patent infringement on anyway.

When the jury deal with 700 individual complaints in the space of three minutes each you have to expect the odd problem....

When many of the "700 individual complaints" are check boxes for different versions of Android phones with the same question, it's not as unreasonable as you'd think. It's really more like 15-20 questions, repeatedly applied to different products.

Also, what are you measuring it against? What's the usual speed for a jury in a trial like this? For example, in the previous "largest patent trial evar" between Microsoft and i4i, the jury deliberated for 3 hours.

The fact that the foreman admitted that they ignored instructions from the judge pretty much sums up what is going to happen in appeals.


Or it would, if that ever had happened. It didn't, though.
First, no one has said they ignored instructions, except people like yourself. Certainly, none of the jurors said that. What the jurors did say is that they got hung up on validity of the first patent on the first day, so they skipped past it and came back at the end.

Doesn't change the fact that, in comparison to other patent trials, this doesn't seem like it was a short deliberation.
 
2012-09-22 01:06:26 PM
iPhone 5

Galaxy S3

Seems that Android users have a life.
 
2012-09-22 01:42:38 PM

BullBearMS: rocky_howard: Does the iPhone 4S fare better? Because it's disingenuous of you to compare an older phone to the one that got released last week.

Are we pretending the Galaxy S III isn't Samsung's flagship phone and that it wasn't just released a couple of months ago?


No, you're missing the point.

Like it or not, Apple has been the leader in terms of trends on the smartphone field.

The Samsung Galaxy S3 is aping the iPhone4/4S that had that glassy look. Consumers apparently wanted glassy looks.

Now that Apple has ditched the glass look and gone more for a full metal case (and the obvious sales success the iPhone entails), you'll see a Samsung phone (Galaxy S4?) in full metal jacket announced by X-mas or next year.
 
2012-09-22 01:52:32 PM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: And yet an application is allowed to open mail and attach a file itself?

The user is allowed to open any file in any application.

An application is allowed to open it's own files only.

The user is also allowed to share a file they open through multiple means, including attaching it to an email.

Do you not understand the concept of sandboxing?


But email isn't opening files, merely attaching them.

How is Email attaching a file to an email any different to an app attaching a file to an email? You still end up with a file attached to an email.

If they really were sandboxed then how can an app open email and attach a file?
 
2012-09-22 01:53:33 PM

BullBearMS: mr pity: What if I want to share in reply to an email from someone, to keep the response in-thread?

Go to the file you want to attach. Copy. Go to the email. Paste.

Not unlike moving files in Windows Explorer.


I did not know that. So you're saying "it just works, provided your workflow matches the UX designer's."

My experience in adding attachments to emails has almost exclusively involved clicking a button that has a paperclip on it.
 
2012-09-22 01:56:40 PM
Screw apple-and ESPECIALLY iTunes. Going back to Samsung after this contract runs out.
 
2012-09-22 02:07:42 PM

Theaetetus: jaflasvegas: Theaetetus: Flint Ironstag: frankmanhog: I wonder if any of those are for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, the phone that the jury found did not infringe any patents, and then awarded damages for patent infringement on anyway.

When the jury deal with 700 individual complaints in the space of three minutes each you have to expect the odd problem....

When many of the "700 individual complaints" are check boxes for different versions of Android phones with the same question, it's not as unreasonable as you'd think. It's really more like 15-20 questions, repeatedly applied to different products.

Also, what are you measuring it against? What's the usual speed for a jury in a trial like this? For example, in the previous "largest patent trial evar" between Microsoft and i4i, the jury deliberated for 3 hours.

The fact that the foreman admitted that they ignored instructions from the judge pretty much sums up what is going to happen in appeals.

Or it would, if that ever had happened. It didn't, though.
First, no one has said they ignored instructions, except people like yourself. Certainly, none of the jurors said that. What the jurors did say is that they got hung up on validity of the first patent on the first day, so they skipped past it and came back at the end.

Doesn't change the fact that, in comparison to other patent trials, this doesn't seem like it was a short deliberation.


A very interesting video. He says he decided that the prior art was not valid because "the Apple software could not run on the other hardware"

That is not how Prior Art works!

By that logic Samsung can copy the iPhone OS totally because their OS won't work on an iPhone! Apple prior art doesn't apply!

You patent "a device that can do X" and if it involves software then it is usually represented by a box labeled "Processor". You can't get around the patent just by using a different chip!

The guys an idiot.
 
2012-09-22 02:09:07 PM
At this point, I just laugh when my friends show me their latest Apple product.


I kind of feel the same way about them as I do about most Fox viewers, which is somewhat of a "oh, you poor dear. You don't even know.." type reaction.
 
2012-09-22 02:09:42 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: iPhone 5

Galaxy S3

Seems that Android users have a life.


I think the fact that most iPhone cases have holes cut into them so that everyone else can see the Apple logo is the giveaway....
 
2012-09-22 02:20:12 PM

Alphakronik: At this point, I just laugh when my friends show me their latest Apple product.


I kind of feel the same way about them as I do about most Fox viewers, which is somewhat of a "oh, you poor dear. You don't even know.." type reaction.


The important part is you get act like a condescending prick around your friends. Good for you.
 
2012-09-22 02:24:32 PM

mr pity: I did not know that. So you're saying "it just works, provided your workflow matches the UX designer's."


Yes. Nobody should use Windows since UAC is an unconscionable burden to the end user. What with having to click buttons in the name of security and all.

Flint Ironstag: BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: And yet an application is allowed to open mail and attach a file itself?

The user is allowed to open any file in any application.

An application is allowed to open it's own files only.

The user is also allowed to share a file they open through multiple means, including attaching it to an email.

Do you not understand the concept of sandboxing?

But email isn't opening files, merely attaching them.

How is Email attaching a file to an email any different to an app attaching a file to an email? You still end up with a file attached to an email.

If they really were sandboxed then how can an app open email and attach a file?


We get it. You don't understand the concept of sandboxing.

Well, I'm sure an OS designed to take security seriously is very, very confusing to someone willing to run a malware infested mess like Android.
 
2012-09-22 03:02:46 PM
Keep perpetuating the same lie, subtard. You're a farking idiot.
 
2012-09-22 03:12:37 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Keep perpetuating the same lie, subtard. You're a farking idiot.


Well that wasn't very witty.
 
2012-09-22 03:32:33 PM
Apple and Dave Mathews have a lot in common. Both are competent at what they do, but their mindless worshippers can turn you off of both.



I remember the mhz wars when Apple users were saying "it is not how fast the processor is, it is what it and the os can do". Those wars have long been over, because we cannot not even use the cycles we have.

Now the same Apple users are saying "well the latest iphone is faster than anything out there" sure it is a new phone, but hey how does faster make it do anything different?

Truth is Apple had to focus on the fragility of the previous iphones, because they are fragile and break easy. They broke so easily an entire cottage market of repair shops sprung up to meet this need.

I like Apple stuff, and I like Android stuff. I prefer Android for customization I can do, and the fact I can buy a larger battery, choose the form factor of the phone I like, and tinker with the os. However, the last iterations of it have been rock solid.

I use a Galaxy S2, does all I need, takes great pics, and other than processor cycles, pretty damn near the Iphone 5 in what it does. And I got it for free... Plus I like the built in DLNA and it does have NFC if I need it..

Apple focused on making a more durable phone, but feature wise this release was pretty meh. Panaramic shots(another app that was already availible) and basically the same camera with a slightly improved lens are not wow features.

They made a pretty phone to sell to the masses as a boutique one up the jones item.

I work for ATT and most of my day is taking calls that asked to be escalated to management because they just have to have the new iphone, even though their 4s is 3 months old and basically the same phone.
 
2012-09-22 03:33:37 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-22 03:50:51 PM

BullBearMS: mr pity: I did not know that. So you're saying "it just works, provided your workflow matches the UX designer's."

Yes. Nobody should use Windows since UAC is an unconscionable burden to the end user. What with having to click buttons in the name of security and all.

Flint Ironstag: BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: And yet an application is allowed to open mail and attach a file itself?

The user is allowed to open any file in any application.

An application is allowed to open it's own files only.

The user is also allowed to share a file they open through multiple means, including attaching it to an email.

Do you not understand the concept of sandboxing?

But email isn't opening files, merely attaching them.

How is Email attaching a file to an email any different to an app attaching a file to an email? You still end up with a file attached to an email.

If they really were sandboxed then how can an app open email and attach a file?

We get it. You don't understand the concept of sandboxing.

Well, I'm sure an OS designed to take security seriously is very, very confusing to someone willing to run a malware infested mess like Android.


So you're saying that Apple do not allow their own email app to access files from other, third party, apps but happily allow those third party apps to access email and attach files?

That's some security feature there....

People usually sandbox unknown third party apps, not their own applications while they freely allow those third party apps to access their applications.
 
2012-09-22 04:01:47 PM

Flint Ironstag: So you're saying that Apple do not allow their own email app to access files from other, third party, apps but happily allow those third party apps users to access email files and attach files them to e-mails?

 

Are you really this stupid, or are you just being ornery?
 
2012-09-22 04:53:36 PM
Jesus, Apple fanboys are annoying little shiats, aren't they? I've never seen a fandom so preachy and hostile to outside opinion that wasn't an actual religion.

/Have owned an iPod Touch for a couple years
//Will never be owning another Apple product after this bullshiat.
 
2012-09-22 05:10:44 PM
What is "jail break?"

Why would I want to buy a phone that's in jail?
 
2012-09-22 05:23:08 PM

fluffy2097: NewportBarGuy: fluffy2097: /iOS maps is proof that the Apple ship is already starting to list quite badly.

One app is the proof? Wow. You'd be a really sh*tty judge.

You think Jobs would have let a steaming pile of shiat like that be released? That he'd let his sleek magical device be paired with a giant splatter of diarrhea? Don't make me laugh.

Steve Jobs hired a ton of talented assholes to do his work. He was very good at keeping them in line. Without him to keep them in line, they are already going off the rails, pursuing their own interests and pet projects, and shoehorning them into production without the same level of testing Jobs would demand.


This. The only thing apple has, at it's pricepoint, is perfection of execution.

I sacrifice that to save money by using a pc or samsung. But i can somewhat understand the value there.
 
2012-09-22 05:44:31 PM
Apple fanboys and their ridiculous pricing are the reasons I'll never own an Apple product.
 
2012-09-22 05:49:56 PM
I work very closely with Apple sales as a whole between US and CA.
Yesterday the iPhone 5 release day.
Not very many iPhones were sold, it was a slow day.
 
2012-09-22 06:29:31 PM

Forecaster18: Apple fanboys and their ridiculous pricing are the reasons I'll never own an Apple product.


Pricing on the phones are competitive with other smart phones.
The hardcore fan base is a turn off. It could make you feel ashamed by association.
I had an iPhone 4 that I upgraded to a Galaxy S2 a while back.
I don't see myself going back to an iPhone anytime again.
I do like coming into these threads and rattling the iStuff fanboys cages.

And BTW; posted on my iPad.
 
2012-09-22 06:46:05 PM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: So you're saying that Apple do not allow their own email app to access files from other, third party, apps but happily allow those third party apps users to access email files and attach files them to e-mails? 

Are you really this stupid, or are you just being ornery?




I think you're the one be evasive. I asked if it was true that you can't attach files to email. You replied "No".
Only when I said Googling suggested there was a problem attaching files to replies you came up with "iOS sandboxes applications for security reasons. Apps can't go digging into files owned by other apps. That way if one app should be compromised, it can't affect any other app or access your private data elsewhere on the phone. This includes the mail app.

Theoretically, Android does the same thing, but as you've noticed the rules don't seem to apply to mail on Android.

On iOS, you just open the document you want to attach and hit the button to share it via email.
"

So you knew Apple stopped its email program attaching files, but you replied with an unequivocal "No", and only admitted there was an issue when I clarified it further.

You went from a categorical "No (of course you can)" to "Of course you can't. It's sandboxed" in one post.

That's "It's not a bug. It's a feature"

If users are allowed to attach files then why can't a user do that from within email? If programs are sandboxed then how can another application open up email and attach a file itself? How does the email app know it is a user doing that and not a malicious app?

How can email tell the difference between a user doing something and a malicious app doing something? Wouldn't it be more secure for the email app to decide "Yep, the user has clicked attach file" and allow it than allow a third party app to initiate the process?
Sandboxing is isolating a potentially malicious program, but here Apple have sandboxed their own email program!

This is going to be another 'cut'n'paste' incident. Apple fans insist it's not needed/a security feature until the day Apple announce it as a shiny new feature and then it'll be such a cool feature that Apple invented.
 
2012-09-22 10:19:35 PM
Okay, seriously?

It's a PHONE, people. WHO CARES? I don't care if you like wheat or rye, and I'm not going to call you a sheep for choosing white bread if I want sourdough.

IT'S JUST A FSCKING GADGET.
 
2012-09-22 11:08:27 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Forecaster18: Apple fanboys and their ridiculous pricing are the reasons I'll never own an Apple product.

Pricing on the phones are competitive with other smart phones.
The hardcore fan base is a turn off. It could make you feel ashamed by association.
I had an iPhone 4 that I upgraded to a Galaxy S2 a while back.
I don't see myself going back to an iPhone anytime again.
I do like coming into these threads and rattling the iStuff fanboys cages.

And BTW; posted on my iPad.


This is not true. The two latest iterations of the iPhone are inferior to their Android counterparts. For the iPhone 5, the hardware is certainly competitive, but the lack of features and innovation puts it on par with the Samsung Galaxy S 2, not the S 3. The S2 is $100 right now with an upgrade or new contract. That's where the iPhone 5 should be.
 
2012-09-23 12:32:57 AM

Flint Ironstag: You went from a categorical "No (of course you can)" to "Of course you can't. It's sandboxed" in one post.


No. You and several others claimed it was impossible. I told you how to do it and why it worked that way.

Also, what's up with the Apple haters constantly trying to spread lies like:

Apple phones cost more
You can't attach documents to an email
etc

Stick to factual complaints. Stop making shiat up.

Or go back to making excuses for why it doesn't count when your favorite phone shatters when dropped. Those were fun.
 
2012-09-23 08:58:20 AM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: You went from a categorical "No (of course you can)" to "Of course you can't. It's sandboxed" in one post.

No. You and several others claimed it was impossible. I told you how to do it and why it worked that way.

Also, what's up with the Apple haters constantly trying to spread lies like:

Apple phones cost more
You can't attach documents to an email
etc

Stick to factual complaints. Stop making shiat up.

Or go back to making excuses for why it doesn't count when your favorite phone shatters when dropped. Those were fun.




Where did I claim it was impossible? Link?

Someone else made a comment, and I said "BTW, is it really true that you can't attach files to an email on the iPhone?"

You replied "No"

That's it. "No"

Even though you knew the iPhone would not let you attach a file to a reply, you didn't mention that. You replied with a categorical "No".

But when I mentioned I had Googled and found a problem with replies you totally changed your tune. Now it wasn't "No (of course you can)", it was suddenly "Of course you can't It's a security feature"

And now you are lying again by claiming I had claimed it was impossible.
 
2012-09-23 10:36:13 AM

Flint Ironstag: Even though you knew the iPhone would not let you attach a file to a reply


Another lie. I've already explained how to do that as well.

Liar.
 
2012-09-23 10:43:00 AM
Hey, look everybody.

After two days of availability, the percentage of Apple users running iOS 6 is double the percentage of Android users who have managed to upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich over the last entire year.

God, what a sucky fragmented user experience Android has.
 
2012-09-23 11:09:55 AM

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: Even though you knew the iPhone would not let you attach a file to a reply

Another lie. I've already explained how to do that as well.

Liar.


So you couldn't find where I "claimed it was impossible"? That's strange...

And you did explain how to attach files. You have to close mail, open another app, find the file, click copy, open mail again and click Paste. So you admit that Mail doesn't let you attach files? And my Android lets me do all that from within the Email app.
Even iPhone owners on Macforums complained about the problem. Has it changed in OS6?
iPhone owners have been complaining about it since at least 2009.

I thought Apple stuff "just works"? Except when you have to find workarounds that involve more steps to do the job apparently....

But "it's not a bug. It's a feature..."
 
2012-09-23 11:10:29 AM

BullBearMS: After two days of availability, the percentage of Apple users running iOS 6 is double the percentage of Android users who have managed to upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich over the last entire year.

God, what a sucky fragmented user experience Android has.


Man, it's eerie how the Apple fanboy rhetoric regarding Android has reverted to the Windows vs. OSX method of yelling about how the majority user base must be having a sucky experience--like the North Korean government telling its people that everyone living under western democracy is miserable. Nope, we're doing just fine.

Don't worry, I'm sure there's at least one more major Jobs idea in the product pipeline, so when that comes out and succeeds you can dismiss phones and tablets as old, stagnating product lines and trumpet that new gadget as the only thing that matters.
 
2012-09-23 11:42:24 AM
Inability to upgrade your phone is a good user experience?

After Jelly Bean has been out for two months, it's barely managed to hit a 1%.

iOS passed 35% in two days.

Your phone ecosystem just plain sucks.
 
2012-09-24 11:43:58 AM
You mean to say that the average user is an idiot and can't upgrade his/her phone's OS unless the manufacturer/distributor does it for them? Unpossible.

There are people still running "outdated" OS'es because they just don't care. Your iPhone works for you. Their phone works for them. Let it go. Take a deep breath. Everyone just step back for a minute and think about what's really important in life.

Here's a hint: gadgets pretty much aren't.
 
2012-09-24 02:18:29 PM
IMO Android OS sucks really bad. The longer you own the phone, the slower it gets over time, updates can break features (alarm clock going missing one workday morning). My super clean and organized directory structure has become a mess and I don't recognize 90% of the folders in my root directory. The physical keyboard has delays when typing and the keys don't register maybe 5% of the time. The battery also doesn't last very long if you actually use the phone. But at least I've got a real keyboard, I've had 4g for 2 years, a super bright large easy to see screen, and I run playable emulators and generally do what I want with the phone. Pick your poison.
 
2012-09-24 05:57:37 PM

Elemental79: IMO Android OS sucks really bad. The longer you own the phone, the slower it gets over time, updates can break features (alarm clock going missing one workday morning). My super clean and organized directory structure has become a mess and I don't recognize 90% of the folders in my root directory. The physical keyboard has delays when typing and the keys don't register maybe 5% of the time. The battery also doesn't last very long if you actually use the phone. But at least I've got a real keyboard, I've had 4g for 2 years, a super bright large easy to see screen, and I run playable emulators and generally do what I want with the phone. Pick your poison.


I still use my HTC Desire from two and a half years ago and its still great. If it wasn't for the bigger screen of my One X I'd have kept it and still be using it.
 
2012-09-25 06:39:24 AM

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