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(NBC News)   By the time you read this, over half the states will have early voting active. If you've made up your mind, get up, get dressed, get a ballot filled out and let's get this over with   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 156
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2012-09-22 03:35:26 AM  
I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.
 
2012-09-22 04:45:34 AM  

borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.


No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.
 
2012-09-22 04:58:10 AM  

olddeegee: borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.

No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.


You know thats BS right, this election is close. The polls are dead even. Nobody who regularly votes is staying home.
 
2012-09-22 08:17:04 AM  
I still don't get why they call it "early voting", and why they close it for a week before "election day". Just have "voting" open for that entire time span.
 
2012-09-22 08:18:25 AM  

borg: olddeegee: borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.

No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.

You know thats BS right, this election is close. The polls are dead even. Nobody who regularly votes is staying home.


I've been threatening to write in Ron Paul, but I might just not vote (for President) anyhow. Not too thrilled with my options.
 
2012-09-22 08:58:06 AM  

serial_crusher: I've been threatening to write in Ron Paul, but I might just not vote (for President) anyhow. Not too thrilled with my options.


If you're considering a write in for President, at least check out your other parties that might be on the state ballot. The Green Party (Dr. Jill Stein), the Constitution Party (Virgil Goode) and the Libertarian Party (Gary Johnson) are all on a significant number of state ballots--one or more might be on every state ballot. There could be others too--these are just the ones I know of offhand.
 
2012-09-22 08:59:55 AM  
Still another week before the wife and I get our early ballots.

Argh. I just want to get it done.
 
2012-09-22 09:45:18 AM  
I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.
 
2012-09-22 10:00:37 AM  

borg: The polls are dead even


I see you only read Rasmussen.
 
2012-09-22 10:04:40 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.


If these so called smart ads that were going to track our every move actually worked, the minute you vote all the robocalls, push polls, idiot mail flyers and crap on the news should immediately cease. Technology and Ad tracker fail.
 
2012-09-22 10:05:07 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.


Aye, there's the rub

/we have vote-by-mail in California
//Ballots should be arriving in a week or so
 
2012-09-22 10:26:37 AM  
I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.
 
2012-09-22 10:30:02 AM  
As an absentee-ballot swing-stater, I get to both fulfill my civic duty and laugh as I contribute to an election night clusterfark where things seem closer than they ought to. Tastes great, less filling.
 
2012-09-22 10:34:03 AM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


I was that way too, the polling place is 4 blocks from here, getting there at 6:30 coffee in hand ready to do my duty.

Now I take the mail in ballot and go do my duty closer to home.

If you get my drift.

And you would.
 
2012-09-22 10:45:39 AM  
I just checked Tennessee's election calender, and this article is wrong. You've been able to request absentee ballots since 8/8 here, and early voting isn't until the 17th of October. So this article about Tennessee beginning today makes no sense. There are no election-related dates in September.

Link
 
2012-09-22 11:41:41 AM  

Generation_D: Cerebral Knievel: I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.

If these so called smart ads that were going to track our every move actually worked, the minute you vote all the robocalls, push polls, idiot mail flyers and crap on the news should immediately cease. Technology and Ad tracker fail.


That sure would be an excellent way to improve turnout.
 
2012-09-22 12:00:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Cerebral Knievel: I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.

Aye, there's the rub

/we have vote-by-mail in California
//Ballots should be arriving in a week or so


I was wondering when my balloy would come. Thanks! Im loving the election here in california, both candidates only make token visits once or twice, and for the most part people gotta run on the issues. Unfortunately where I live the choice will be the progressive or the uber more-progressive-than-thou. Gotta love "top-two" primaries...
 
2012-09-22 12:00:57 PM  
Nah I don't have time today. I'll just vote on the 7th.
 
2012-09-22 12:01:42 PM  

borg: olddeegee: borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.

No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.

You know thats BS right, this election is close. The polls are dead even. Nobody who regularly votes is staying home.


Among low- and middle-income white Bible Belt voters, 21 percent in the Reuters/Ipsos polling data said they are uncertain they will vote in the presidential election. That's not much more than the 17 percent of other respondents who were uncertain. But in a group that leans Republican, it could be enough to hurt Romney.
 
2012-09-22 12:02:17 PM  
Chelsea Handler said it best when she started to read a note card about Romney insulting half of America. Then she tossed the card aside saying she was sick of talking about this guy... and then she moved on to something else.
 
2012-09-22 12:03:39 PM  

olddeegee: borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.

No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.


Lol, nice try, oldeegee.
 
2012-09-22 12:04:03 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


I used to feel that way until I voted in 2004. After two hours in line, I had to go to work. I never voted in that election.
 
2012-09-22 12:07:32 PM  
I frankly don't trust my state government with my vote. I feel like early voting just gives them more time to mess with it. The shenanigans during the recall elections have completely erased any faith I have in this state tallying votes honestly.
 
2012-09-22 12:10:24 PM  
Let the vote fraud begin!

Amirite?!?!
 
2012-09-22 12:10:52 PM  
Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.
 
2012-09-22 12:11:09 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


Being an old fart, I still miss going to the polls a bit when voting by mail here in Oregon.

/ Supports vote by mail.
// Ballots won't arrive for another two or three weeks.
 
2012-09-22 12:11:56 PM  

AngryTeacher: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I used to feel that way until I voted in 2004. After two hours in line, I had to go to work. I never voted in that election.


Your employer cannot, by law, punish you for taking time off to vote
 
2012-09-22 12:14:31 PM  
i5.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-22 12:15:46 PM  
Remember if you are nonwhite then you vote on November 3rd.
 
2012-09-22 12:16:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Your employer cannot, by law, punish you for taking time off to vote


Does that mean they have to pay you though?
 
2012-09-22 12:17:08 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.


citation?
 
2012-09-22 12:18:04 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.


Incorrect. (And wow, cynical)

Mail-in and provisional ballots will get counted IF they number more than the margin of victory on election day. By the way, there is often more than one office or provision to vote for on one ballot, so it's likely all ballots will need to be counted.
 
2012-09-22 12:18:21 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


I absolutely agree. I also used to make a big deal of taking my kid to vote with me. I think part of why I take civic participation so seriously is because my mom always made a production of taking me with her to vote.
 
2012-09-22 12:18:49 PM  

Lost Thought 00: AngryTeacher: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I used to feel that way until I voted in 2004. After two hours in line, I had to go to work. I never voted in that election.

Your employer cannot, by law, punish you for taking time off to vote


LOL, yeah that'll stop them.
 
2012-09-22 12:19:09 PM  
Early voting is great and I strongly encourage it but I sometimes wonder about what will happen in the future when internet voting will become a reality and whether that ease of access will ultimately be a great or terrible thing for democracy.
 
2012-09-22 12:19:26 PM  

Gergesa: Remember if you are nonwhite then you vote on November 3rd.


Know how I know you haven't looked at a calendar? :)

(The 3rd is a Saturday, Election Day is on the 6th)
 
2012-09-22 12:19:48 PM  
Decision 2012: "Let's get this over with"
 
2012-09-22 12:20:01 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Your employer cannot, by law, punish you for taking time off to vote


At that time, I was a bartender. If I didn't show up, I didn't get paid.
 
2012-09-22 12:20:34 PM  

ghall3: Lost Thought 00: Your employer cannot, by law, punish you for taking time off to vote

Does that mean they have to pay you though?


No, they don't have to pay you
 
2012-09-22 12:21:31 PM  
What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.
 
2012-09-22 12:22:51 PM  

StopLurkListen: Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.

Incorrect. (And wow, cynical)

Mail-in and provisional ballots will get counted IF they number more than the margin of victory on election day. By the way, there is often more than one office or provision to vote for on one ballot, so it's likely all ballots will need to be counted.


I'm pretty sure there is no single rule. Individual states control the election laws therein, so if anything, the rules for counting mail-in and absentee ballots differ by state.
 
2012-09-22 12:26:16 PM  

darkedgefan: What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.


Pretty sure moving out of New York isn't a crime.
 
2012-09-22 12:28:06 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


I think I've only ever voted in person once. Just move around too much.
 
2012-09-22 12:31:08 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.


umm there's no labor to counting electronic votes. the machines do it for them.
 
2012-09-22 12:31:13 PM  
You know what would be funny? If Obama wins off this alone.
 
2012-09-22 12:32:28 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: darkedgefan: What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.

Pretty sure moving out of New York isn't a crime.


What he means to say is that the current all or nothing electoral college system leaves a lot of voters disenfranchised because their vote literally means nothing. If you live in Illinois below I-80 your vote for president does not matter, Chicago will carry the state for the Democrats even if everyone else votes Republican.
 
2012-09-22 12:32:40 PM  

darkedgefan: What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.


are there any ballot initiatives you are concerned about? local elections?
 
2012-09-22 12:34:12 PM  

RogermcAllen: LouDobbsAwaaaay: darkedgefan: What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.

Pretty sure moving out of New York isn't a crime.

What he means to say is that the current all or nothing electoral college system leaves a lot of voters disenfranchised because their vote literally means nothing. If you live in Illinois below I-80 your vote for president does not matter, Chicago will carry the state for the Democrats even if everyone else votes Republican.


I certainly agree. But he "wished" for something that is 100% achievable. The question is whether voting in a swing-state is worth moving to OH or FL (I would guess the answer is: no).
 
2012-09-22 12:34:38 PM  

Bill Frist: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I think I've only ever voted in person once. Just move around too much.


I'm the polar opposite. I've been in the same district (indeed, same house) since 2000, my polling place is about a mile away from home and I have been working from home on Tuesday's since at least 2004. I go at lunch, walk there, vote in 2 minutes because hardly anyone is there that time of day, and am back in time to make a sandwich. It's beautiful.
 
2012-09-22 12:36:02 PM  

RogermcAllen: LouDobbsAwaaaay: darkedgefan: What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.

Pretty sure moving out of New York isn't a crime.

What he means to say is that the current all or nothing electoral college system leaves a lot of voters disenfranchised because their vote literally means nothing. If you live in Illinois below I-80 your vote for president does not matter, Chicago will carry the state for the Democrats even if everyone else votes Republican.


yeah it's a damn shame that those city people's votes count as much as yours isn't it? what with their multi cultural ideals and sensibilities.
 
2012-09-22 12:43:03 PM  

RogermcAllen: What he means to say is that the current all or nothing electoral college system leaves a lot of voters disenfranchised because their vote literally means nothing. If you live in Illinois below I-80 your vote for president does not matter, Chicago will carry the state for the Democrats even if everyone else votes Republican.



In terms of the history of our country, this is just a phase.  Illinois went Republican in 1988.  24 years ago isn't THAT long ago. 
 
2012-09-22 12:43:42 PM  

theknuckler_33: Bill Frist: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I think I've only ever voted in person once. Just move around too much.

I'm the polar opposite. I've been in the same district (indeed, same house) since 2000, my polling place is about a mile away from home and I have been working from home on Tuesday's since at least 2004. I go at lunch, walk there, vote in 2 minutes because hardly anyone is there that time of day, and am back in time to make a sandwich. It's beautiful.


you must not live in a big city. they have to wait in line for hours. especially the black neighborhoods in GOP controlled states. in 2004 they had to wait all day in Cleveland,,in the cold rain..to vote.

images.politico.com
 
2012-09-22 12:45:22 PM  

whitman00: Chelsea Handler said it best


This is the most appalling statement I have ever seen on the Politics Tab.
 
2012-09-22 12:46:10 PM  

Hobodeluxe: RogermcAllen: LouDobbsAwaaaay: darkedgefan: What's the point. I live in NYC and want to vote for Romney. NYS will be blue until the end of time. I wish I could vote in OH or FL where my vote would matter.

Pretty sure moving out of New York isn't a crime.

What he means to say is that the current all or nothing electoral college system leaves a lot of voters disenfranchised because their vote literally means nothing. If you live in Illinois below I-80 your vote for president does not matter, Chicago will carry the state for the Democrats even if everyone else votes Republican.

yeah it's a damn shame that those city people's votes count as much as yours isn't it? what with their multi cultural ideals and sensibilities.


I'm a white male, age 18-49 (who lives in a battleground state) everyone listens to me.

/mmm...nuts and gum
 
2012-09-22 12:46:41 PM  

theknuckler_33: StopLurkListen: Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.

Incorrect. (And wow, cynical)

Mail-in and provisional ballots will get counted IF they number more than the margin of victory on election day. By the way, there is often more than one office or provision to vote for on one ballot, so it's likely all ballots will need to be counted.

I'm pretty sure there is no single rule. Individual states control the election laws therein, so if anything, the rules for counting mail-in and absentee ballots differ by state.


True. But the Constitution's "equal protection clause" *is* the single rule. Any locality not counting all ballots when a margin of victory is less than the outstanding ballots is lawsuit bait under the equal protection clause. And they'd lose.

Often on election night you hear the news about "X" winning, and a few weeks or so later you might read on page D14 about the updated margin of victory. Very rarely the results 'flip' because of miscounting or another error on election night, but it does happen.
 
2012-09-22 12:48:51 PM  
Does subby have an inside track on the upcoming October Surprise, and fear it will leave the country laughing too long and hard for them to vote in November?
 
2012-09-22 12:49:22 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


I know the feeling. Shiat, I took off the last two Presidential Election Days to help with GOTV stuff but once that wound down I just sat back and enjoyed the feeling of it all. It really is cool.

Anyway, I wish to hell we could get a national early voting policy that applied to all 50 states. And like someone else said, just start the voting period and don't stop it until the evening of Election Day.

It'll never happen, but it would be nice.
 
2012-09-22 12:49:27 PM  
Squeee! I love to vote!

/Can't wait to vote on Election Day
//I'm getting a sub!
 
2012-09-22 12:51:36 PM  

abb3w: Does subby have an inside track on the upcoming October Surprise, and fear it will leave the country laughing too long and hard for them to vote in November?


Romneys October Surprise for Obama will be Hannity re-releasing that go-nowhere video of Obama man-hugging a professor while in college, and just hoping nobody notices it's a repeat of an already failed smear campaign.
 
2012-09-22 12:55:12 PM  

StopLurkListen: Mail-in and provisional ballots will get counted IF they number more than the margin of victory on election day. By the way, there is often more than one office or provision to vote for on one ballot, so it's likely all ballots will need to be counted.


This is incorrect. Any ballots that come in early are going to be run through the counting machines first, typically as soon as the polls close on election day.
 
2012-09-22 12:59:10 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: abb3w: Does subby have an inside track on the upcoming October Surprise, and fear it will leave the country laughing too long and hard for them to vote in November?

Romneys October Surprise for Obama will be Hannity re-releasing that go-nowhere video of Obama man-hugging a professor while in college, and just hoping nobody notices it's a repeat of an already failed smear campaign.


And most of the tools watching Hannity won't....
 
2012-09-22 01:01:24 PM  
I have a conspiracy theory on why people are so confident Mitt will win in November.

1) people use the name of dead people to increase their votes
2) mormons have been baptizing dead people
3) mostly Jews
4) there are tons of retired Jews in Florida, a key battleground state
5)???
6) Win the Election
 
2012-09-22 01:02:54 PM  

Lost Thought 00: AngryTeacher: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I used to feel that way until I voted in 2004. After two hours in line, I had to go to work. I never voted in that election.

Your employer cannot, by law, punish you for taking time off to vote


Unless you live in a "right to work" state. Then the can fire you because they dont like the way you tie your shoes.
 
2012-09-22 01:08:08 PM  

MrSplifferton: I have a conspiracy theory on why people are so confident Mitt will win in November.

1) people use the name of dead people to increase their votes
2) mormons have been baptizing dead people
3) mostly Jews
4) there are tons of retired Jews in Florida, a key battleground state
5)???
6) Win the Election


Some compelling statisticals. You've given us a lot to think about.
 
2012-09-22 01:08:21 PM  

Hobodeluxe: theknuckler_33: Bill Frist: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I think I've only ever voted in person once. Just move around too much.

I'm the polar opposite. I've been in the same district (indeed, same house) since 2000, my polling place is about a mile away from home and I have been working from home on Tuesday's since at least 2004. I go at lunch, walk there, vote in 2 minutes because hardly anyone is there that time of day, and am back in time to make a sandwich. It's beautiful.

you must not live in a big city. they have to wait in line for hours. especially the black neighborhoods in GOP controlled states. in 2004 they had to wait all day in Cleveland,,in the cold rain..to vote.


I live in a reasonably big city (Seattle is about the same size as Cleveland), and before vote-by-mail was mandated, I rarely waited in line at all and never more than a few minutes. What you're describing here isn't the inevitable result of city living; it's an intentional effort clear. to disenfranchise specific voters. I don't think you were disagreeing with that conclusion, I just wanted to be perfectly clear.
 
2012-09-22 01:13:37 PM  
I'd get it over with, but Virginia requires you to have a valid excuse for voting early, and I don't.
 
2012-09-22 01:14:14 PM  

BMulligan: Hobodeluxe: theknuckler_33: Bill Frist: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I think I've only ever voted in person once. Just move around too much.

I'm the polar opposite. I've been in the same district (indeed, same house) since 2000, my polling place is about a mile away from home and I have been working from home on Tuesday's since at least 2004. I go at lunch, walk there, vote in 2 minutes because hardly anyone is there that time of day, and am back in time to make a sandwich. It's beautiful.

you must not live in a big city. they have to wait in line for hours. especially the black neighborhoods in GOP controlled states. in 2004 they had to wait all day in Cleveland,,in the cold rain..to vote.

I live in a reasonably big city (Seattle is about the same size as Cleveland), and before vote-by-mail was mandated, I rarely waited in line at all and never more than a few minutes. What you're describing here isn't the inevitable result of city living; it's an intentional effort clear. to disenfranchise specific voters. I don't think you were disagreeing with that conclusion, I just wanted to be perfectly clear.


Because nothing says "Our policies are supported by the majority of Americans" like voter disenfranchisement.
 
2012-09-22 01:15:03 PM  
I'm voting twice. Look GOP, here's the voter fraud you've been looking for! ACORNS, liberal press, FEMA camps!

"Low information voters" is the polite term for bat-shiat crazy, racist, stupid, farkstick BTW.

Supply-side Jesus love Kolob!

Off to kick pet my imaginary dog.
 
2012-09-22 01:16:51 PM  
Stop being so god damned demanding Subby I'll vote when and how I please.
 
2012-09-22 01:20:29 PM  
Ordered my absentee ballot yesterday.
 
2012-09-22 01:33:11 PM  

borg: olddeegee: borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.

No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.

You know thats BS right, this election is close. The polls are dead even. Nobody who regularly votes is staying home.


My BFF (conservative) is not voting this election. He freakin' hates Obama but refuses to vote for Romney. His co-workers (about a dozen or so) all feel the same way. Yeah, I know, anecdotal blah blah, but there it is.
 
2012-09-22 01:35:49 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.


No early voting in PA, but I've worked the polls here, and can attest that absentee ballots are hand counted at the end of the day and reported at exactly the same time as the machine vote totals.

It's a vaguely adversarial process. Judge of the election watches as Majority and Minority Inspectors remove each ballot from it's individually identifiable outer envelope, mix up the anonymous inner envelopes, then open one ballot at a time and tally the results on a form that each poll worker has to sign off on.
 
2012-09-22 01:36:44 PM  
Or, you know, you could wait for the debates, and hear the candidates for the various races talk about their governing intentions first.

But hey, let's all just hit (R) or (D) straight down the line as soon as possible, because "0bama sucks", or "Rmoney is a dirty rich mormon".
 
2012-09-22 01:40:47 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.


It helps. There's no faster way to get a campaign to stop calling than to say 'I've already voted.' (Unless it's for their guy and they think you might be able to help GOTV.)
 
2012-09-22 01:41:03 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted. They only waste the labor to actually count them if they think it would make a difference, based on demographic statistics. In other words, they just predict your vote based on polling data and then assume how you would have voted.


Unless you live in dodgy state like Florida - early and absentee votes are ALWAYS counted. That is why the final numbers always differ from what is finally reported when an election is certified weeks later.
 
2012-09-22 01:42:38 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: Or, you know, you could wait for the debates, and hear the candidates for the various races talk about their governing intentions first.

But hey, let's all just hit (R) or (D) straight down the line as soon as possible, because "0bama sucks", or "Rmoney is a dirty rich mormon".


I'm sure Romney is saving his very best material for the debates.
 
2012-09-22 01:42:52 PM  

404 page not found: My BFF (conservative) is not voting this election. He freakin' hates Obama but refuses to vote for Romney. His co-workers (about a dozen or so) all feel the same way. Yeah, I know, anecdotal blah blah, but there it is.


This election environment feels very much like Bush/Kerry. Conservatives are as excited about Romney as liberals were about Kerry. And it will sink Romney as it did Kerry.
 
2012-09-22 01:45:22 PM  

borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.


I'm having my absentee ballot mailed to my managers office. I didn't plan ahead 4 years ago. I'm not going to miss the opportunity to vote for Obama again.
 
2012-09-22 01:46:41 PM  
What, and deprive myself of the evil eye the fossilized woman at the polling station gives me when I answer after she asks me which party I'm affiliated with?

Oh, no sir. I will wait for that joy.
 
2012-09-22 01:47:48 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

Being an old fart, I still miss going to the polls a bit when voting by mail here in Oregon.

/ Supports vote by mail.
// Ballots won't arrive for another two or three weeks.


Yeah what's up with this in Oregon? When I lived in Nevada I just went and voted, here I'm waiting for my ballot to vote?
 
2012-09-22 01:48:30 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: Or, you know, you could wait for the debates, and hear the candidates for the various races talk about their governing intentions first.


A, how many people are honestly undecided in this election? I mean really now?
B, why not get the base voters out of the way early to ease the congestion for the undecideds? So we don't have stories about 5-hour lines and precincts running out of ballots.
 
2012-09-22 01:51:59 PM  

gingerjet: 404 page not found: My BFF (conservative) is not voting this election. He freakin' hates Obama but refuses to vote for Romney. His co-workers (about a dozen or so) all feel the same way. Yeah, I know, anecdotal blah blah, but there it is.

This election environment feels very much like Bush/Kerry. Conservatives are as excited about Romney as liberals were about Kerry. And it will sink Romney as it did Kerry.


I was about to disagree because I'm a contrarian POS, but I gotta agree with you. I was deployed during the '04 election and remember all this conjecture and speculation that was going around about how the Muslim world would go ape-shiat if Bush got re-elected. It's almost like this 2-party system is designed this way. Btw, this is not a "both sides". I'm definitely voting for Obama (again), even though he is center-right and I am far-left. Obama has definitely disappointed me but 2000-2008 (most of my 20's) had to be the worst, I don't even know how to describe it. I truly don't understand, aside from the obvious racism, how this election will be so close.
 
2012-09-22 01:52:34 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Most early and absentee votes are never counted.


That's not what the laws of any of the 50 states demand.
 
2012-09-22 01:53:53 PM  

serial_crusher: borg: olddeegee: borg: I have to I'm leaving the country in a couple of weeks and not returning until after the election.

No you don't. There are many people across the country who are just too disgusted to vote. Most recently a large number of long time Republicans.

You know thats BS right, this election is close. The polls are dead even. Nobody who regularly votes is staying home.

I've been threatening to write in Ron Paul, but I might just not vote (for President) anyhow. Not too thrilled with my options.


There is no option. You will get a president, and you must prefer one over the other(s). There has to be an issue that you care about that separates the candidates. Vote.
 
2012-09-22 01:54:05 PM  

Baby Face Fister: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

Being an old fart, I still miss going to the polls a bit when voting by mail here in Oregon.

/ Supports vote by mail.
// Ballots won't arrive for another two or three weeks.

Yeah what's up with this in Oregon? When I lived in Nevada I just went and voted, here I'm waiting for my ballot to vote?


I'm not sure what you mean. Did you vote early in Nevada by going to a polling place?

There are no polling places in Oregon, it's all vote by mail. You ususally have about three weeks and ballots have to be in by 8pm on election day.
 
2012-09-22 01:57:10 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

Being an old fart, I still miss going to the polls a bit when voting by mail here in Oregon.

/ Supports vote by mail.
// Ballots won't arrive for another two or three weeks.


I don't really miss it. Sure, it's nice to see the public spirit and visit with your neighbors, but I rather like voting with a beer in one hand and a pen in the other.

/and the voter pamphlet in my other left hand.
 
2012-09-22 02:01:01 PM  

Snarfangel: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

Being an old fart, I still miss going to the polls a bit when voting by mail here in Oregon.

/ Supports vote by mail.
// Ballots won't arrive for another two or three weeks.

I don't really miss it. Sure, it's nice to see the public spirit and visit with your neighbors, but I rather like voting with a beer in one hand and a pen in the other.

/and the voter pamphlet in my other left hand.


Awesome! Now I can start the production of my exclusive TF-shirts! The market is finally here!
 
2012-09-22 02:05:23 PM  
Actually, now that I think of it, most of my relatives in Kansas (all super-conservative) aren't voting either. They'll be gosh-darned if they ever vote for a big-government nigotiater, and they sure as shiat ain't voting for Romney (two words: abortion). And that's about a hunnert or so of my relatives in Kansas. I guess I can sort of understand why Kansas officials are working hard to get Obama off of the ballot.
 
2012-09-22 02:05:26 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Baby Face Fister: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

Being an old fart, I still miss going to the polls a bit when voting by mail here in Oregon.

/ Supports vote by mail.
// Ballots won't arrive for another two or three weeks.

Yeah what's up with this in Oregon? When I lived in Nevada I just went and voted, here I'm waiting for my ballot to vote?

I'm not sure what you mean. Did you vote early in Nevada by going to a polling place?

There are no polling places in Oregon, it's all vote by mail. You ususally have about three weeks and ballots have to be in by 8pm on election day.


We had polling places in Nevada. You went to them and voted.
 
2012-09-22 02:10:58 PM  

Baby Face Fister: We had polling places in Nevada. You went to them and voted.


OK. Yeah, ballots arrive about three weeks before election day. You can mail in your completed ballot or return it to a ballot drop box.
 
2012-09-22 02:11:28 PM  

Smoking GNU: You know what would be funny? If Obama wins off this alone.


I was informed by an Obama campaign volunteer several weeks ago that Iowa was won by early voting in 2008. If the voting had been only counting Election Day votes McCain would have won, supposedly. I'm not buying it--McCain didn't have a chance after rebuffing Ethanol subsidies. But that is what he said.
 
2012-09-22 02:13:52 PM  

Somacandra: McCain would have won


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-22 02:15:59 PM  
Just for the record:

Here in Iowa, Vote By Mail ballots are counted FIRST on Election Day.
 
2012-09-22 02:18:19 PM  

Gosling: Quadruple Entendre: Or, you know, you could wait for the debates, and hear the candidates for the various races talk about their governing intentions first.

A, how many people are honestly undecided in this election? I mean really now?
B, why not get the base voters out of the way early to ease the congestion for the undecideds? So we don't have stories about 5-hour lines and precincts running out of ballots.


So then, you've properly educated yourself on the issues of all the races on the ballot, and no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind, or even withhold a vote, in any race?

weknowmemes.com
 
2012-09-22 02:18:42 PM  

BSABSVR: StopLurkListen: Mail-in and provisional ballots will get counted IF they number more than the margin of victory on election day. By the way, there is often more than one office or provision to vote for on one ballot, so it's likely all ballots will need to be counted.

This is incorrect. Any ballots that come in early are going to be run through the counting machines first, typically as soon as the polls close on election day.


In my experience in different voting jurisdictions, it varies. Some process absentee ballots as soon as they come in; some seal them until election day and do them last. The commonality seems to be if the absentee ballot is the same as election day ballots (paper vs. electronic, for example)
 
2012-09-22 02:23:42 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind


Like, say, maybe we find out Sheriff Joe is right and 0bummer is really a ferner or maybe that Romney is actually NOT severely conservative?
 
2012-09-22 02:27:33 PM  

Somacandra: Smoking GNU: You know what would be funny? If Obama wins off this alone.

I was informed by an Obama campaign volunteer several weeks ago that Iowa was won by early voting in 2008. If the voting had been only counting Election Day votes McCain would have won, supposedly. I'm not buying it--McCain didn't have a chance after rebuffing Ethanol subsidies. But that is what he said.



I have a hard time beliving that that data is ever released to the public (unless maybe there were potential shenanegans, and then a lawsuit like Bush v. Gore.)
 
2012-09-22 02:32:19 PM  

404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind

Like, say, maybe we find out Sheriff Joe is right and 0bummer is really a ferner or maybe that Romney is actually NOT severely conservative?


Or maybe you find out that someone you favor in any of the races has a serious skeleton in their closet that comes out between now and election day.

It's not just the presidential race that's at stake. Your vote means something. Reserve it until you're fully educated. There is a LOT more to be learned between now and November about all the candidates.

Yeah, I know, that's boring, and would require taking an active interest in something of more substance than OMG RMONEY WILL STEEL YOUR MEDICAREZ! or OMG 0BAMA IS A MUSLIN!!11! There's more to the responsibility of voting than just picking a team. It's not a fkin football game.

FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.
 
2012-09-22 02:32:37 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: So then, you've properly educated yourself on the issues of all the races on the ballot, and no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind, or even withhold a vote, in any race?


I'm pretty damn sure the GOP is not suddenly going to make up for twelve years of stupid and four years of crazy in the next six weeks, and I've seen what happens to any sane-looking Republican that actually tries to be sane. I saw what happened to Joe Cao.

So... yes I have, and no it couldn't.
 
2012-09-22 02:33:49 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: Or, you know, you could wait for the debates, and hear the candidates for the various races talk about their governing intentions first.

But hey, let's all just hit (R) or (D) straight down the line as soon as possible, because "0bama sucks", or "Rmoney is a dirty rich mormon".


Dude, why you gotta bring racism up? 

And why, subby, do I have to get dressed for this?

/ oh, that's why
 
2012-09-22 02:35:02 PM  
Quadruple Entendre:

Or maybe we find out 0webama is actually steering this God-blessed ship of a country in shark-infested waters, with farkin' oil slicks lit on fire on the surface, while being torpedoed by his own goddamned torpedomen, and still keeping it afloat.

You know what? You are correct, sir. Let us vote for the guy with oodles of "business" and "executive" experience and yet refuses to elaborate on his positions once elected, most likely because they will be identical to Obama's (center-right), yet, at the same time, won't be handing out any foodstamps for votes, that is, unless you happen to be a hungry Wall Street "entrepreneur".

You are the wizard. SHA-ZAM!
 
2012-09-22 02:37:05 PM  

Gosling: Quadruple Entendre: So then, you've properly educated yourself on the issues of all the races on the ballot, and no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind, or even withhold a vote, in any race?

I'm pretty damn sure the GOP is not suddenly going to make up for twelve years of stupid and four years of crazy in the next six weeks, and I've seen what happens to any sane-looking Republican that actually tries to be sane. I saw what happened to Joe Cao.

So... yes I have, and no it couldn't.


And we wonder why our country is torn in half.

There's your answer, folks. People who pick a team, vote for it blindly, and actively refuse to even process any information that contradicts their preconceptions.
 
2012-09-22 02:37:38 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: 404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind

Like, say, maybe we find out Sheriff Joe is right and 0bummer is really a ferner or maybe that Romney is actually NOT severely conservative?

Or maybe you find out that someone you favor in any of the races has a serious skeleton in their closet that comes out between now and election day.

It's not just the presidential race that's at stake. Your vote means something. Reserve it until you're fully educated. There is a LOT more to be learned between now and November about all the candidates.

Yeah, I know, that's boring, and would require taking an active interest in something of more substance than OMG RMONEY WILL STEEL YOUR MEDICAREZ! or OMG 0BAMA IS A MUSLIN!!11! There's more to the responsibility of voting than just picking a team. It's not a fkin football game.

FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.



Meh, but something could come out about either of them after the election is over as well.
 
2012-09-22 02:39:03 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Baby Face Fister: We had polling places in Nevada. You went to them and voted.

OK. Yeah, ballots arrive about three weeks before election day. You can mail in your completed ballot or return it to a ballot drop box.


Wow, Hope it gets counted.
 
2012-09-22 02:39:53 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: Reserve it until you're fully educated.


Holmes, I am a graduate student in the medical sciences. Guess what...no one is ever "fully educated".

Quadruple Entendre: FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.


Never, ever, talk to me about the fallen.
marinephotos.togetherweserved.com
 
2012-09-22 02:41:18 PM  

404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre:

Or maybe we find out 0webama is actually steering this God-blessed ship of a country in shark-infested waters, with farkin' oil slicks lit on fire on the surface, while being torpedoed by his own goddamned torpedomen, and still keeping it afloat.

You know what? You are correct, sir. Let us vote for the guy with oodles of "business" and "executive" experience and yet refuses to elaborate on his positions once elected, most likely because they will be identical to Obama's (center-right), yet, at the same time, won't be handing out any foodstamps for votes, that is, unless you happen to be a hungry Wall Street "entrepreneur".

You are the wizard. SHA-ZAM!


At what point did I even suggest voting for Romney? Or for or against any candidate? Your reading skills are woefully lacking.

I suggested, foolishly apparently, that people wait a few more weeks before they turn their ballots in, because there is more at stake in an election than just the presidential race.
 
2012-09-22 02:42:42 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: foolishly apparently


Well, there you go.
 
2012-09-22 02:43:07 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: And we wonder why our country is torn in half.

There's your answer, folks. People who pick a team, vote for it blindly, and actively refuse to even process any information that contradicts their preconceptions.


You think I'm casting my vote goddamned blindly? You think I can look at a plutocrat who's verbally shiat on 47% of the country (Romney), a healthcare lobbyist who as Secretary of Health and Human Services straight-up told terrorists that they could poison our food and we wouldn't find out until it was too late (Tommy Thompson), the author of the Patriot Act who voted against aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina (Jim Sensenbrenner), and the two chief architects of the Scott Walker fiasco (Joel Kleefisch and Scott Fitzgerald), and be voting BLINDLY?!

I know EXACTLY what I'm voting against all the way down the ballot, buddy boy.
 
2012-09-22 02:44:47 PM  
I don't really have a choice but to vote early. As a resident of IN with an out of state driver's license (permanent student), I'm afraid that the voter ID laws would keep me from voting at a polling place. Fortunately, you don't have to show any ID to vote absentee!

/Voted 2, 4 and 6 years ago, but then I lived in a college town.
 
2012-09-22 02:44:50 PM  

404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: Reserve it until you're fully educated.

Holmes, I am a graduate student in the medical sciences. Guess what...no one is ever "fully educated".

Quadruple Entendre: FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.

Never, ever, talk to me about the fallen.
[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 533x530]


I assume that's someone who meant something to you. I'm sorry for your loss.

So then, you should know more than most what the value of your vote is, but your comments really don't reflect that. You sound a lot more like someone who has their fingers in their ears to me.
 
2012-09-22 02:45:37 PM  

Gosling: Quadruple Entendre: And we wonder why our country is torn in half.

There's your answer, folks. People who pick a team, vote for it blindly, and actively refuse to even process any information that contradicts their preconceptions.

You think I'm casting my vote goddamned blindly? You think I can look at a plutocrat who's verbally shiat on 47% of the country (Romney), a healthcare lobbyist who as Secretary of Health and Human Services straight-up told terrorists that they could poison our food and we wouldn't find out until it was too late (Tommy Thompson), the author of the Patriot Act who voted against aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina (Jim Sensenbrenner), and the two chief architects of the Scott Walker fiasco (Joel Kleefisch and Scott Fitzgerald), and be voting BLINDLY?!

I know EXACTLY what I'm voting against all the way down the ballot, buddy boy.


I don't know, man, this guy might be totally legit... 

khq.images.worldnow.com
 
2012-09-22 02:47:53 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: 404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: Reserve it until you're fully educated.

Holmes, I am a graduate student in the medical sciences. Guess what...no one is ever "fully educated".

Quadruple Entendre: FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.

Never, ever, talk to me about the fallen.
[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 533x530]

I assume that's someone who meant something to you. I'm sorry for your loss.

So then, you should know more than most what the value of your vote is, but your comments really don't reflect that. You sound a lot more like someone who has their fingers in their ears to me.


OK, I will bite. This is me sincerely pulling my fingers out of my ears. I'm listening. Educate me.
 
2012-09-22 02:54:38 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: Gosling: Quadruple Entendre: So then, you've properly educated yourself on the issues of all the races on the ballot, and no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind, or even withhold a vote, in any race?

I'm pretty damn sure the GOP is not suddenly going to make up for twelve years of stupid and four years of crazy in the next six weeks, and I've seen what happens to any sane-looking Republican that actually tries to be sane. I saw what happened to Joe Cao.

So... yes I have, and no it couldn't.

And we wonder why our country is torn in half.

There's your answer, folks. People who pick a team, vote for it blindly, and actively refuse to even process any information that contradicts their preconceptions.


What information are you expecting that would change the mind of any decided voter in this election?
Do you think my conservative, anti-choice, single-issue voting father is gonna change his vote over Stericycle?
Are the young radical socialists, who are to the left of both the center-right President and Schrodinger's Candidate, going to learn something that would sway them from voting for the least right-wing candidate?
The moonies are up on the mountain,
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
Waiting on the rapture.
There is nothing left to consider.
 
2012-09-22 02:56:34 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: Gosling: Quadruple Entendre: So then, you've properly educated yourself on the issues of all the races on the ballot, and no possible event could occur between now and November to make you change your mind, or even withhold a vote, in any race?

I'm pretty damn sure the GOP is not suddenly going to make up for twelve years of stupid and four years of crazy in the next six weeks, and I've seen what happens to any sane-looking Republican that actually tries to be sane. I saw what happened to Joe Cao.

So... yes I have, and no it couldn't.

And we wonder why our country is torn in half.

There's your answer, folks. People who pick a team, vote for it blindly, and actively refuse to even process any information that contradicts their preconceptions.


Here's some amazing news. Most "independents" are anything but. They like to believe they are conscious arbiters of the truth, and vote based on their logical analysis of the candidates. Reality is, they already lean one way or the other, and call themselves independent because it sounds smart and trendy.
 
2012-09-22 02:56:44 PM  

Blue_Blazer: There is nothing left to consider.


Thank your for your eloquence. I could not have phrased it better and would most likely have earned myself another time-out for offending little Farkers' delicate sensitivities.
 
2012-09-22 02:57:56 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: I'm sorry for your loss.


I'm sorry for your loss = Thank you for your service. GFY.
 
2012-09-22 02:59:03 PM  

404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: 404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: Reserve it until you're fully educated.

Holmes, I am a graduate student in the medical sciences. Guess what...no one is ever "fully educated".

Quadruple Entendre: FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.

Never, ever, talk to me about the fallen.
[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 533x530]

I assume that's someone who meant something to you. I'm sorry for your loss.

So then, you should know more than most what the value of your vote is, but your comments really don't reflect that. You sound a lot more like someone who has their fingers in their ears to me.

OK, I will bite. This is me sincerely pulling my fingers out of my ears. I'm listening. Educate me.


That's not my job! I'm not a friggin politician, or a media source. I haven't decided who I am voting for in several races yet. I'm just saying, if you have the option of waiting until election day to learn all you can, take advantage of it.

That's it, not pushing you in any direction on any candidate. It's a general suggestion to everyone, on both sides, to open their minds a little bit more, and remember that there are lots of races they have to decide on in each election.

Seriously, I think you guys are assuming that I am shilling for Romney or something. I don't really think it matters much who we vote in for President, we're in deep shiat either way, and Congress is going to be deadlocked for 4 more years in any event. I don't like either option, for various reasons. But there are judges, local politicians, all kinds of different races that should matter to you, and if you look closely, you might find that a particular candidate will better reflect your positions than the one you would most readily associate with your "team".

That's all I'm sayin'.
 
2012-09-22 03:01:26 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: 404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: 404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: Reserve it until you're fully educated.

Holmes, I am a graduate student in the medical sciences. Guess what...no one is ever "fully educated".

Quadruple Entendre: FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.

Never, ever, talk to me about the fallen.
[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 533x530]

I assume that's someone who meant something to you. I'm sorry for your loss.

So then, you should know more than most what the value of your vote is, but your comments really don't reflect that. You sound a lot more like someone who has their fingers in their ears to me.

OK, I will bite. This is me sincerely pulling my fingers out of my ears. I'm listening. Educate me.

That's not my job! I'm not a friggin politician, or a media source. I haven't decided who I am voting for in several races yet. I'm just saying, if you have the option of waiting until election day to learn all you can, take advantage of it.

That's it, not pushing you in any direction on any candidate. It's a general suggestion to everyone, on both sides, to open their minds a little bit more, and remember that there are lots of races they have to decide on in each election.

Seriously, I think you guys are assuming that I am shilling for Romney or something. I don't really think it matters much who we vote in for President, we're in deep shiat either way, and Congress is going to be deadlocked for 4 more years in any event. I don't like either option, for various reasons. But there are judges, local politicians, all kinds of different races that should matter to you, and if you look closely, you might find that a particular candidate will better reflect your positions than the one you would most readily associate with your "team".

That's all I'm sayin'.


You sound concerned.
 
2012-09-22 03:01:43 PM  

404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: I'm sorry for your loss.

I'm sorry for your loss = Thank you for your service. GFY.


Fark you. I served. WTF do you want me to say? You obviously posted the picture up for a reason, I assumed it was because the loss is painful for you. But for all I know the guy was an asshole, like you are starting to seem to be. I was being respectful of his sacrifice and yours with my comment. Seriously, you need a farking xanax.
 
2012-09-22 03:02:01 PM  

Baby Face Fister: Wow, Hope it gets counted.


I've lived in Oregon for 20 years and we've had vote by mail almost as long. In that time, I don't recall any serious problems with the system.

If you're concerned with the reliability of the USPS, drop your ballot off instead. I usually do (mostly because I'm too cheap to pay for postage and the drop-off location is near my house).
 
2012-09-22 03:02:11 PM  

404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre: Reserve it until you're fully educated.

Holmes, I am a graduate student in the medical sciences. Guess what...no one is ever "fully educated".

Quadruple Entendre: FFS people, human beings died for your right to vote.

Never, ever, talk to me about the fallen.
[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 533x530]


Seen here: Being paid.

*yawn* Tell me about your terrible ordeal which you agreed to in exchange for a sum money you found an acceptable trade.
 
2012-09-22 03:02:22 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: you need a farking xanax.


You got any?
 
2012-09-22 03:03:16 PM  

404 page not found: You sound concerned.


OK, so you are just an asshole. Now I get it. I thought I was having a reasonable conversation. My bad.
 
2012-09-22 03:04:04 PM  

404 page not found: Gosling: Quadruple Entendre: And we wonder why our country is torn in half.

There's your answer, folks. People who pick a team, vote for it blindly, and actively refuse to even process any information that contradicts their preconceptions.

You think I'm casting my vote goddamned blindly? You think I can look at a plutocrat who's verbally shiat on 47% of the country (Romney), a healthcare lobbyist who as Secretary of Health and Human Services straight-up told terrorists that they could poison our food and we wouldn't find out until it was too late (Tommy Thompson), the author of the Patriot Act who voted against aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina (Jim Sensenbrenner), and the two chief architects of the Scott Walker fiasco (Joel Kleefisch and Scott Fitzgerald), and be voting BLINDLY?!

I know EXACTLY what I'm voting against all the way down the ballot, buddy boy.

I don't know, man, this guy might be totally legit... 


Rob McKenna is pure farking evil. That dilhole would be an absolute train wreck as governor. Worse yet, those teeth make him look like Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka.
 
2012-09-22 03:04:09 PM  

Epoch_Zero: *yawn* Tell me about your terrible ordeal which you agreed to in exchange for a sum money you found an acceptable trade.


I'm no hero, bro. I signed up to protect my country (naively, I admit). Instead, I got sent to Iraq. Twice. Go figure.
 
2012-09-22 03:05:06 PM  

BMulligan: Rob McKenna is pure farking evil. That dilhole would be an absolute train wreck as governor. Worse yet, those teeth make him look like Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka.


There's still time! FULLY EDUCATE YOURSELF!
 
2012-09-22 03:06:43 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: I thought I was having a reasonable conversation. My bad.


What tab are you in again? Yeah, you said it, your bad.

Undecided? GTFO.
 
2012-09-22 03:08:31 PM  

serial_crusher: I still don't get why they call it "early voting", and why they close it for a week before "election day". Just have "voting" open for that entire time span.


Exactly. The fact that we have a 12 hour window on a single day -- a work day no less -- to vote is completely antiquated and ridiculous.

Polls should be open for multiple days, including weekends. To help municipalities pay for the costs, let's slash some or a lot of the funding that goes to paying for political conventions and reallocating it to the costs of associated with multi-day voting. Another option is just to have mail in voting -- the federal government could provide funding to states that adopt it.
 
2012-09-22 03:12:03 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Here's some amazing news. Most "independents" are anything but. They like to believe they are conscious arbiters of the truth, and vote based on their logical analysis of the candidates. Reality is, they already lean one way or the other, and call themselves independent because it sounds smart and trendy.


A smidge less than two-thirds are that sort. (One-third Democratic, one-third Republican.) Another 25% are pretty much "low information voters" -- although they're the least likely to even be registered to vote. They tend not to lean one way or another to even care to show up.

The last share (about one-in-eight) of "independents" are the ones the others all like to think of themselves as -- those who carefully think about the candidates and issues, and vote sometimes one way and sometimes another. But that leaves them a rare beast indeed. 

(Linky.) 
 
2012-09-22 03:13:48 PM  
I'd like to vote again but got a postcard from the Washington Secretary of State saying that I "don't appear to be registered". It was confirmed by the state voter's database.

Having lived here 20 years (at the same address), this comes as a bit of a shock -- particularly since I haven't missed voting in any previous elections. We'll have to sort this out but my guess is that my last name has a typo in it in the registration files.
 
2012-09-22 03:16:26 PM  

Omnivorous: I'd like to vote again but got a postcard from the Washington Secretary of State saying that I "don't appear to be registered". It was confirmed by the state voter's database.

Having lived here 20 years (at the same address), this comes as a bit of a shock -- particularly since I haven't missed voting in any previous elections. We'll have to sort this out but my guess is that my last name has a typo in it in the registration files.


Noone at this address. Return to sender.
www.utopiaartists.com
 
2012-09-22 03:21:20 PM  
I'd vote today if it would shut everyone
 
2012-09-22 03:22:00 PM  

5monkeys: I'd vote today if it would shut everyone


Up.
 
2012-09-22 03:25:28 PM  

5monkeys: 5monkeys: I'd vote today if it would shut everyone

Up.


lazykitah.com
 
2012-09-22 03:28:03 PM  

Quadruple Entendre: 404 page not found: Quadruple Entendre:

Or maybe we find out 0webama is actually steering this God-blessed ship of a country in shark-infested waters, with farkin' oil slicks lit on fire on the surface, while being torpedoed by his own goddamned torpedomen, and still keeping it afloat.

You know what? You are correct, sir. Let us vote for the guy with oodles of "business" and "executive" experience and yet refuses to elaborate on his positions once elected, most likely because they will be identical to Obama's (center-right), yet, at the same time, won't be handing out any foodstamps for votes, that is, unless you happen to be a hungry Wall Street "entrepreneur".

You are the wizard. SHA-ZAM!

At what point did I even suggest voting for Romney? Or for or against any candidate? Your reading skills are woefully lacking.

I suggested, foolishly apparently, that people wait a few more weeks before they turn their ballots in, because there is more at stake in an election than just the presidential race.


Given the months and months of primaries, commercials, and the fact that the life story of every candidate from every side is covered extensively on the internet from the moment they enter the race, you're either a retard or willfully ignorant of politics if you don't know exactly who you're voting for this close from the race. They should allow instant voting the moment the candidate for both sides is known.
 
2012-09-22 03:29:46 PM  

404 page not found: Noone at this address. Return to sender.


That was so awesome that there's now a kind of hush all over this thread.
 
2012-09-22 03:33:00 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.


I'll be a Democratic poll-watcher all that day at the local elementary school. Can't do that by mail. And we always have good donuts.
 
2012-09-22 03:36:14 PM  
Permanent early vote by mail, biatches.
 
2012-09-22 03:37:16 PM  

BMulligan: 404 page not found: Noone at this address. Return to sender.

That was so awesome that there's now a kind of hush all over this thread.


Well, it's either that or my typical thread-shiatting behavior.

*clicks profile*

Hey, Seattle-bro, how does it hang?
 
2012-09-22 03:41:02 PM  

404 page not found: BMulligan: 404 page not found: Noone at this address. Return to sender.

That was so awesome that there's now a kind of hush all over this thread.

Well, it's either that or my typical thread-shiatting behavior.

*clicks profile*

Hey, Seattle-bro, how does it hang?


Oh, you know. Just another day in Ballard. I get to go watch my kid play soccer at Green Lake in an hour, though, so that's cool.
 
2012-09-22 03:42:38 PM  
So, for early voters, the election is held today. Let's see what Fivethirtyeight says about that ...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-22 04:02:15 PM  

BMulligan: 404 page not found: BMulligan: 404 page not found: Noone at this address. Return to sender.

That was so awesome that there's now a kind of hush all over this thread.

Well, it's either that or my typical thread-shiatting behavior.

*clicks profile*

Hey, Seattle-bro, how does it hang?

Oh, you know. Just another day in Ballard. I get to go watch my kid play soccer at Green Lake in an hour, though, so that's cool.


Haha! Nice! Just moved to Greenwood. Fixing up the toddler's nursery right now. He'll be playing soccer in no time, I'm sure.

*bro-fist*

/there I go, thread-shiatting again.
 
2012-09-22 04:06:44 PM  

404 page not found: Just moved to Greenwood


Have you been to Chuck's Hop Shop? If not, run - don't walk! - to the corner of 85th and 8th immediately.
 
2012-09-22 04:13:08 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Cerebral Knievel: I'll be voting early as well. I'm just sick of it all.
Unfortunately, voting early doesn't turn off the ongoing derp fest.

Aye, there's the rub

/we have vote-by-mail in California
//Ballots should be arriving in a week or so

I was wondering when my balloy would come. Thanks! Im loving the election here in california, both candidates only make token visits once or twice, and for the most part people gotta run on the issues. Unfortunately where I live the choice will be the progressive or the uber more-progressive-than-thou. Gotta love "top-two" primaries...


I kinda like the "top two" primary for one reason: My congressman has run unopposed since I've been out here (and he's a Republican). He finally has some competition this year, from an independent candidate (who I am totally voting for).
 
2012-09-22 04:13:54 PM  

BMulligan: 404 page not found: Just moved to Greenwood.

Have you been to Chuck's Hop Shop? If not, run - don't walk! - to the corner of 85th and 8th immediately.


Hey man, if they are handing out free beer, let me know! But if it's just a place I need to patronize, I'll get there eventually. Mrs. 404 has me working on the honey-do list. Starting clinical rotations on Monday (surgery). I won't be around much for the next year.
 
2012-09-22 04:29:13 PM  
You people and your silly poling places, how quaint. Join us in the 21st century and do it all vote-by-mail. I never have to show my ID to vote. I get my ballot in the mail a few weeks in advance, fill it out and sign it and then drop it off at my local library at my convenience. We've been doing it this way for a decade. I believe the state of Washington has finally converted to vote-by-mail as well. But maybe we are just smarter up here in the NW?
 
2012-09-22 04:44:08 PM  

Pincy: You people and your silly poling places, how quaint. Join us in the 21st century and do it all vote-by-mail. I never have to show my ID to vote. I get my ballot in the mail a few weeks in advance, fill it out and sign it and then drop it off at my local library at my convenience. We've been doing it this way for a decade. I believe the state of Washington has finally converted to vote-by-mail as well. But maybe we are just smarter up here in the NW?


Serious question here...what's to keep me from collecting ballots from people that don't feel like voting and mailing them all in filled out the way I want them, or worse yet following the mailman when they're being delivered and taking the ballots from an entire neighborhood and mailing those in?

I'm sure there's some sort of safeguard, I'm just curious as to how all of that works.
 
2012-09-22 05:07:14 PM  

404 page not found: BMulligan: 404 page not found: Just moved to Greenwood.

Have you been to Chuck's Hop Shop? If not, run - don't walk! - to the corner of 85th and 8th immediately.

Hey man, if they are handing out free beer, let me know! But if it's just a place I need to patronize, I'll get there eventually. Mrs. 404 has me working on the honey-do list. Starting clinical rotations on Monday (surgery). I won't be around much for the next year.


It's the beer snob Mecca. Maybe not free beer, exactly, but Chuck prefers not to sell you anything until you've had at least two or three samples. Also, at least one night a week (usually Friday) he has a tasting function, where a particular brewer shows off their new beers - you buy a cup for a dollar and you're good to go for the night. And the best part is that it's not a tavern. You can take your kid with you.
 
2012-09-22 05:09:27 PM  

buzzcut73: Pincy: You people and your silly poling places, how quaint. Join us in the 21st century and do it all vote-by-mail. I never have to show my ID to vote. I get my ballot in the mail a few weeks in advance, fill it out and sign it and then drop it off at my local library at my convenience. We've been doing it this way for a decade. I believe the state of Washington has finally converted to vote-by-mail as well. But maybe we are just smarter up here in the NW?

Serious question here...what's to keep me from collecting ballots from people that don't feel like voting and mailing them all in filled out the way I want them, or worse yet following the mailman when they're being delivered and taking the ballots from an entire neighborhood and mailing those in?

I'm sure there's some sort of safeguard, I'm just curious as to how all of that works.


You have to sign the envelope, and the signature has to match the one on your registration.
 
2012-09-22 05:22:11 PM  
You guys are going to be soooo pissed.
 
2012-09-22 05:24:09 PM  

BMulligan: 404 page not found: BMulligan: 404 page not found: Just moved to Greenwood.

Have you been to Chuck's Hop Shop? If not, run - don't walk! - to the corner of 85th and 8th immediately.

Hey man, if they are handing out free beer, let me know! But if it's just a place I need to patronize, I'll get there eventually. Mrs. 404 has me working on the honey-do list. Starting clinical rotations on Monday (surgery). I won't be around much for the next year.

It's the beer snob Mecca. Maybe not free beer, exactly, but Chuck prefers not to sell you anything until you've had at least two or three samples. Also, at least one night a week (usually Friday) he has a tasting function, where a particular brewer shows off their new beers - you buy a cup for a dollar and you're good to go for the night. And the best part is that it's not a tavern. You can take your kid with you.


Sold! Thanks buddy!
 
2012-09-22 05:38:58 PM  

BMulligan: Serious question here...what's to keep me from collecting ballots from people that don't feel like voting and mailing them all in filled out the way I want them, or worse yet following the mailman when they're being delivered and taking the ballots from an entire neighborhood and mailing those in?

I'm sure there's some sort of safeguard, I'm just curious as to how all of that works.

You have to sign the envelope, and the signature has to match the one on your registration.


Plus, the ballot distribution process is pretty transparent. Every household receives the Voter's Handbook a few days before ballots are mailed and mailing day is announced in the media. It wouldn't take many people in a neighborhood complaining their ballots hadn't arrived for election officials to realize something was amiss.
 
2012-09-22 05:54:26 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: You guys are going to be soooo pissed.


Statisticals or GTFO.
 
2012-09-22 07:51:30 PM  
Anyone know if democrat counties in Ohio will be counted in early voting or not yet?
 
2012-09-22 07:57:34 PM  

Hobodeluxe: theknuckler_33: Bill Frist: DamnYankees: I don't like early or absentee voting. For myself, I mean. I like waking up at 5 AM on election day and getting to the polls right when they open and participating in the event. Makes me feel all civic-y.

I think I've only ever voted in person once. Just move around too much.

I'm the polar opposite. I've been in the same district (indeed, same house) since 2000, my polling place is about a mile away from home and I have been working from home on Tuesday's since at least 2004. I go at lunch, walk there, vote in 2 minutes because hardly anyone is there that time of day, and am back in time to make a sandwich. It's beautiful.

you must not live in a big city. they have to wait in line for hours. especially the black neighborhoods in GOP controlled states. in 2004 they had to wait all day in Cleveland,,in the cold rain..to vote.

[images.politico.com image 297x223]


Last presidential election my husband and I lived in San Diego. We got up early and even brought snacks because we thought we would have to wait in long lines. We walked right in and almost no one was there. Maybe the fact that San Diego has a large population of illegals who can't vote has something to do with it. We did have a lot of voting places close together. So not all large cities have long lines. We are in Missouri now. Not sure how that will go. Our county was for Obama last time and we want to do our part to make sure it stays that way.
 
2012-09-22 09:10:41 PM  

Snarfangel: I rather like voting with a beer in one hand and a pen in the other. And the voter pamphlet in my other left hand.


Voting from home is wonderful for all those things, including the ability to work the Googles if you run into a candidate or issue you're not completely knowledgeable about. And of course, you can confab with members of your household about the candidates or issues.
imageshack.us 
Caturday at the polls?
 
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