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2012-09-22 04:33:51 AM
Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years
 
2012-09-22 06:46:25 AM

mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years


He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.
 
2012-09-22 07:49:34 AM
I don't get the fuss. He did the right thing. If it had worked, we'd be calling him a genius.
 
2012-09-22 08:37:48 AM
Some of these same commentators were the ones cheering a few years back when a guy called fair catch and then took off running and won the game, because it "wasn't against the rules!"

It's all about "protecting the players!" That's why they cheer when someone gets demolished in a "legal way."
 
2012-09-22 08:38:28 AM

SilentStrider: I don't get the fuss. He did the right thing. If it had worked, we'd be calling him a genius.


Ron Jaworski said something similar. He reminded viewers that the miracle in the meadowlands occurred because the defensive coach did just this during a liberty play, so the offensive coach said, "Oh yeah?", and ran a real play on which the fumble occurred.

Before my time, don't know if it's accurate. And, of course, the stakes weren't particularly high this time. I've certainly seen cheaper shots in my time.
 
2012-09-22 08:43:32 AM

SilentStrider: I don't get the fuss. He did the right thing. If it had worked, we'd be calling him a genius.


If it had been against anybody other than the Giants or the Patriots, the narrative would have been "whiny bitaches were only ahead by seven - they hadn't earned victory formation and deserved to get pummeled"
 
2012-09-22 08:45:37 AM
Who knew the NFL scouts were such a bunch of pussies. Poor babies
 
2012-09-22 08:52:27 AM
I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.
 
2012-09-22 09:02:24 AM

Nabb1: I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.


Nabb1: I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.


Not because he's nice its because he has the talent. Notice in that article the sources didn't decide they were going to skip Rutgers.
 
2012-09-22 09:09:37 AM

Nabb1: I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.


Oh, I dunno, I think the fact that Schiano coached at RUTGERS may have had more to do with his lack of success in putting players in the NFL. (Yeah, ok, Ray Rice... that's one.)

It ain't like this guy was the second coming of Bobby Bowden or anything, he was coach of a team that considered themselves lucky to make the "Poulan Weed Eater - Who Gives a shiat Bowl" each year. Saban, on the other hand, is busy trying to win national championships. I don't particularly like Alabama, but there are light-years of difference between programs like Alabama and freakin' Rutgers.

Fact is, while most teams don't bother playing hard against the V-Formation, as long as there is time on the clock, the game is still on. Coughlin is, rightfully, protecting his team, especially his QB, by confronting Schiano after the game, but I would hope that he went right back into the locker room and blew up his offensive line for getting pushed back like that.

I would also bet that the next team that beats Tampa Bay will come off the ball a lot harder when they're in their own victory formation.

-Grim
 
2012-09-22 09:13:09 AM

SDRR: Who knew the NFL scouts were such a bunch of pussies. Poor babies


Freaking this.

TFA sounds like such a little biatch. Awww, the poor scouts didn't get catered to. Do these farks think they are entitled to a lobster spread and some high-class escorts because they showed up to watch some kid try to do the 40 in under 4.5 seconds?

I don't even like the Bucs, but I hope Schiano has success there.
 
2012-09-22 09:23:26 AM
In the CFL, the clock just stops in the last 3 minutes
In the arena leagues, the clock stops unless you gain at least 1 yard
both are better ideas that the NFL will never even consider because they're the NFL
 
2012-09-22 09:33:05 AM
cache.deadspin.com

Just win, baby!
 
2012-09-22 09:55:48 AM
Nothing to say here, already been said.
 
2012-09-22 09:57:32 AM

MmmmBacon:
He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South...


What year do you think it is?
 
2012-09-22 10:10:06 AM

FitzShivering: Some of these same commentators were the ones cheering a few years back when a guy called fair catch and then took off running and won the game, because it "wasn't against the rules!"

It's all about "protecting the players!" That's why they cheer when someone gets demolished in a "legal way."


No it is against the rules and if there is any motion near your head you can't move, fair catches can now be reviewed and if you make a movement then run its 15 yard penalty. All because of one idiot ref not paying attention and a player who saw everybody stop after he signaled.
 
2012-09-22 10:13:52 AM

Hillbilly Jim: Nabb1: I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.

Nabb1: I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.

Not because he's nice its because he has the talent. Notice in that article the sources didn't decide they were going to skip Rutgers.


Rutgers was sliding down in talent level, there is a reason for that and one reason is because schiano also treated high school coaches like shiat as well, if you want to get players then you may want to keep people happy that can feed you good players.
 
2012-09-22 10:19:49 AM
I would guess that other coaches are going to think that if Tampa is going to blow up victory formations when they are down by 20, let's just put another score on them before time runs out.
 
2012-09-22 10:22:01 AM

TonyDanza: MmmmBacon:
He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South...

What year do you think it is?


2011?

The article was very whiny. News Flash: Head coaches can be dicks. Great reporting Lou.

We'll find how true the article is if another NFL team picks him after busting out of Tampa.
 
2012-09-22 10:23:01 AM
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Guess who recommended Schiano to the Glazers? The Pats even came down to Tampa to hold a week of joint training camp.
 
2012-09-22 10:25:53 AM

ElwoodCuse: In the CFL, the clock just stops in the last 3 minutes
In the arena leagues, the clock stops unless you gain at least 1 yard
both are better ideas that the NFL will never even consider because they're the NFL


In the CFL, they can't count to four downs and they can't count to 100 yards.

Please keep your flickerball north of the border and finished by November.

I actually like the CFL on occasion, those occasions being when I'm stuck in Canada and need a talking point. Did you see those Argos, can you imagine how much better they'd be if they had someone like Calvillo all these years?

Gets the meeting going.
 
2012-09-22 10:26:05 AM
This is a guy who tried to do away with kickoffs because of "player safety", yet he has his players pull that crap. Yeah, he's a douche.
 
2012-09-22 10:44:36 AM

steamingpile: FitzShivering: Some of these same commentators were the ones cheering a few years back when a guy called fair catch and then took off running and won the game, because it "wasn't against the rules!"

It's all about "protecting the players!" That's why they cheer when someone gets demolished in a "legal way."

No it is against the rules and if there is any motion near your head you can't move, fair catches can now be reviewed and if you make a movement then run its 15 yard penalty. All because of one idiot ref not paying attention and a player who saw everybody stop after he signaled.


i would think even with all that the score would not have counted... and to think that they want the regular refs back...
 
2012-09-22 10:44:58 AM

Grimthorn: Nabb1: I don't know why you would alienate NFL scouts if you are a head football coach in college. Other coaches will kill you on the recruiting trail. "You know, son, that Coach Schiano makes it real hard for NFL scouts to get a good look at you." Especially at Rutgers. Even Nick Saban treats scouts well and he moves tons of players into the NFL.

Oh, I dunno, I think the fact that Schiano coached at RUTGERS may have had more to do with his lack of success in putting players in the NFL. (Yeah, ok, Ray Rice... that's one.)

It ain't like this guy was the second coming of Bobby Bowden or anything, he was coach of a team that considered themselves lucky to make the "Poulan Weed Eater - Who Gives a shiat Bowl" each year. Saban, on the other hand, is busy trying to win national championships. I don't particularly like Alabama, but there are light-years of difference between programs like Alabama and freakin' Rutgers.


Exactly. Which is why if you coach at lowly Rutgers, as opposed to Alabama, you might want to attract more NFL scouts than drive them off so you can tell prospective recruits that you are building relationships with NFL scouts. Alabama doesn't need to, but even Nick Saban knows not to try to drive those guys off. Having NFL scouts around your team is good for recruiting.
 
2012-09-22 10:47:40 AM

FitzShivering: Some of these same commentators were the ones cheering a few years back when a guy called fair catch and then took off running and won the game, because it "wasn't against the rules!"


Umm... that is very much against the rules. I have a hard time imagining any commentator not knowing that's illegal. I bet even Skip Bayless knows you can't advance the ball after signalling a fair catch.

I wouldn't put it past one of the replacement refs to botch that call though.
 
2012-09-22 10:49:08 AM
You guys have convinced me. Playing all sixty minutes of a game and trying to win when there's a chance you still can, makes you a total and complete douche.
 
2012-09-22 10:50:17 AM

Grimthorn: Oh, I dunno, I think the fact that Schiano coached at RUTGERS may have had more to do with his lack of success in putting players in the NFL. (Yeah, ok, Ray Rice... that's one.)


There's been more than that. Sure it's not Alabama, but considering it's Rutgers that's a pretty good list.

But treating NFL people like shiat isn't exactly good for one's career.
 
2012-09-22 10:53:19 AM
Something tells me we're going to see a lot more of the final seconds of Tampa Bay games this year. Now if only they could give us a reason to watch the other 59 minutes....
 
2012-09-22 10:54:16 AM
Also, I honestly can't believe this is still being discussed. Did I like what the Bucs did. No, though I'm obviously biased. But I don't think it's worth a week of discussion. Or even worth discussion beyond the highlight shows that night. It's such an overblown story.

Though, perhaps to my IRL friends' credit, I haven't heard any of them talking about it since. It's all been in the news and here.
 
2012-09-22 10:54:16 AM

Snargi: I would guess that other coaches are going to think that if Tampa is going to blow up victory formations when they are down by 20, let's just put another score on them before time runs out.


Being that points scored can be a deciding factor in making the postseason, the coaches should be trying to run up the score regardless of the circumstances.
 
2012-09-22 10:54:36 AM

Neondistraction: FitzShivering: Some of these same commentators were the ones cheering a few years back when a guy called fair catch and then took off running and won the game, because it "wasn't against the rules!"


Umm... that is very much against the rules. I have a hard time imagining any commentator not knowing that's illegal. I bet even Skip Bayless knows you can't advance the ball after signalling a fair catch.

I wouldn't put it past one of the replacement refs to botch that call though.


He's bringing up a controversial call. Go Youtube Mike Thomas Jacksonville vs. Indianapolis.
 
2012-09-22 10:56:27 AM

MmmmBacon: mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years

He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.


Que I don't think you know what that word means picture....

Since 1997 - 7 playoff appearances, 4 Time Division Champs, and Super Bowl Champions

Ya thats the NFC South basement dwelling perennial losers resumé
 
2012-09-22 10:59:28 AM

SilentStrider: I don't get the fuss. He did the right thing. If it had worked, we'd be calling him a genius.


What would we be calling him if someone on the O-line had blown out a knee?
 
2012-09-22 11:00:45 AM

Slow To Return: You guys have convinced me. Playing all sixty minutes of a game and trying to win when there's a chance you still can, makes you a total and complete douche.


Yeah, unexpectedly cutting off linemen at the knees for no good reason is a great strategy. He'll go far in this league.
 
2012-09-22 11:02:36 AM
While Schiano may well be a dick, the play wasn't dirty or against the rules. Look at the defensive before the snap, you can tell they were keyed up and weren't just going to stand up and high five the OL after the snap. Coughlin has no one to blame but his own team and line
 
2012-09-22 11:03:20 AM

zac1722: MmmmBacon: mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years

He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.

Que I don't think you know what that word means picture....

Since 1997 - 7 playoff appearances, 4 Time Division Champs, and Super Bowl Champions

Ya thats the NFC South basement dwelling perennial losers resumé


Once you go Buccaneer Bruce, everything else doesn't really matter. Its kind of the NFL logo version of the Goatf*cker rule.

grouchymuffin.files.wordpress.com 

If you ever saw this logo on the field, the other logo in use since 2002 really isn't going to change the perception that much.
 
2012-09-22 11:03:28 AM

Gunderson: Snargi: I would guess that other coaches are going to think that if Tampa is going to blow up victory formations when they are down by 20, let's just put another score on them before time runs out.

Being that points scored can be a deciding factor in making the postseason, the coaches should be trying to run up the score regardless of the circumstances.


Correct me if I am wrong, but points scored in the regular season have no bearing on if you make the postseason in the NFL. The only way they matter is that you scored at least 1 more than your opponent.

I don't remember SOS coming into the NFL playoffs picture.
 
2012-09-22 11:04:19 AM

Generation_D: zac1722: MmmmBacon: mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years

He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.

Que I don't think you know what that word means picture....

Since 1997 - 7 playoff appearances, 4 Time Division Champs, and Super Bowl Champions

Ya thats the NFC South basement dwelling perennial losers resumé

Once you go Buccaneer Bruce, everything else doesn't really matter. Its kind of the NFL logo version of the Goatf*cker rule.

[grouchymuffin.files.wordpress.com image 470x500] 

If you ever saw this logo on the field, the other logo in use since 2002 really isn't going to change the perception that much.


I have never noticed that he is winking at me.
 
2012-09-22 11:05:02 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Correct me if I am wrong, but points scored in the regular season have no bearing on if you make the postseason in the NFL. The only way they matter is that you scored at least 1 more than your opponent.


TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss
 
2012-09-22 11:05:29 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Gunderson: Snargi: I would guess that other coaches are going to think that if Tampa is going to blow up victory formations when they are down by 20, let's just put another score on them before time runs out.

Being that points scored can be a deciding factor in making the postseason, the coaches should be trying to run up the score regardless of the circumstances.

Correct me if I am wrong, but points scored in the regular season have no bearing on if you make the postseason in the NFL. The only way they matter is that you scored at least 1 more than your opponent.

I don't remember SOS coming into the NFL playoffs picture.


Point differential and points scored/allowed come into play on the tiebreaker list, though IIRC they're down past things like division record, conference record, etc.
 
2012-09-22 11:16:38 AM

Gunderson: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Correct me if I am wrong, but points scored in the regular season have no bearing on if you make the postseason in the NFL. The only way they matter is that you scored at least 1 more than your opponent.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss


Now I'm curious the last time SOS actually came into play in the NFL. You have to get through 5 other tiebreakers before SOS.
 
2012-09-22 11:24:10 AM

zac1722: MmmmBacon: mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years

He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.

Que I don't think you know what that word means picture....

Since 1997 - 7 playoff appearances, 4 Time Division Champs, and Super Bowl Champions

Ya thats the NFC South basement dwelling perennial losers resumé


Recently you guys were overshadowed by the Saints and Falcons. Even when you finished 10-6 no one seemed to give a sh*t because the Saints were 13-3 and the top story pretty much everywhere.

I know I'm supposed to preach "no mercy" about my div. rivals, but I've always liked you guys when we're not competing for a game or seed.
 
2012-09-22 11:31:29 AM

SilentStrider: I don't get the fuss. He did the right thing. If it had worked, we'd be calling him a genius.


Slow To Return: You guys have convinced me. Playing all sixty minutes of a game and trying to win when there's a chance you still can, makes you a total and complete douche.


Right, which is why Schiano promptly called timeout, so he could try and force the Giants to snap the ball as many times as possible. Or why Schiano, on offense at the end of the first half, ran plays to extend his lead instead of kneeling down to run out the clock and get in the locker room.
 
2012-09-22 11:32:24 AM

AbsentFriends: SilentStrider: I don't get the fuss. He did the right thing. If it had worked, we'd be calling him a genius.

What would we be calling him if someone on the O-line had blown out a knee?


Its football. People can get injured on any play. If O-lineman are worried about getting injured their in the wrong game.
And the fact that those O-Lineman were complaining that they didn't know it was coming is BS. Did they not see that the guys in front of them were down, set, and ready to go? If they were caught by surprise, thats THEIR fault.
 
2012-09-22 11:34:32 AM

born_yesterday: meadowlands


That happened because Pisarcek didn't take a knee, he went to hand off for some reason and the ball got/as struck loose.
 
2012-09-22 11:41:21 AM
I'm just happy people are talking about the Bucs again. Happy to be at 500. I put 20 dollars down on my buccaneers to win the superbowl. I'm not so good at math, but I am guessing I will be able to retire and put my kids through school if the Bucs win it.
 
2012-09-22 11:48:40 AM

Devo: I'm just happy people are talking about the Bucs again. Happy to be at 500. I put 20 dollars down on my buccaneers to win the superbowl. I'm not so good at math, but I am guessing I will be able to retire and put my kids through school if the Bucs win it.


Manning left the division. That opened up a huge hole in media attention spans. Matty Ice and Bounty hunting defenses can only do so much. I know, lets talk about Chuckie's old team, we haven't given them a second thought since Warren Sapp retired.
 
2012-09-22 11:49:22 AM
I should probably explain the joke was most media don't know the difference between the AFC and NFC south, only cared about Manning. But that woosh tells me don't bother ...
 
2012-09-22 11:51:53 AM
If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question
 
2012-09-22 11:54:43 AM
Waaaaah! Roll over and let us win or else you're a dick. They should just skip the opening kickoff and have Eli kneel down. Game over!
 
2012-09-22 12:01:29 PM
If you're down by 8 or less points, go for that ball. WTF.
 
2012-09-22 12:01:33 PM

Generation_D: zac1722: MmmmBacon: mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years

He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.

Que I don't think you know what that word means picture....

Since 1997 - 7 playoff appearances, 4 Time Division Champs, and Super Bowl Champions

Ya thats the NFC South basement dwelling perennial losers resumé

Once you go Buccaneer Bruce, everything else doesn't really matter. Its kind of the NFL logo version of the Goatf*cker rule.

[grouchymuffin.files.wordpress.com image 470x500] 

If you ever saw this logo on the field, the other logo in use since 2002 really isn't going to change the perception that much.



Bruce was fabulous
 
2012-09-22 12:50:34 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Slow To Return: You guys have convinced me. Playing all sixty minutes of a game and trying to win when there's a chance you still can, makes you a total and complete douche.

Yeah, unexpectedly cutting off linemen at the knees for no good reason is a great strategy. He'll go far in this league.


We must've been watching a different game, seriously it was the D-line coming off the ball and Manning tripping on his own pushed back O-line, there was no going for the knees, it wasn't dirty. It's TACKLE football, the game still had time left, go grab a farking tissue.
 
2012-09-22 01:22:24 PM

zac1722: We must've been watching a different game, seriously it was the D-line coming off the ball and Manning tripping on his own pushed back O-line, there was no going for the knees, it wasn't dirty. It's TACKLE football, the game still had time left, go grab a farking tissue.


Then why did Schiano let the clock run out? Why didn't he call time out? Or why did he kneel to run out the clock at the end of the first half?

Let's drop all this machismo nonsense and all admit that Schiano's an unprofessional asshole.
 
2012-09-22 01:46:44 PM

Peter von Nostrand: While Schiano may well be a dick, the play wasn't dirty or against the rules. Look at the defensive before the snap, you can tell they were keyed up and weren't just going to stand up and high five the OL after the snap. Coughlin has no one to blame but his own team and line


What I find funny is that nobody is mentioning the dick move coughlin pulled last Thursday by kicking a FG to end the game and rub it in a little more.
 
2012-09-22 01:50:01 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Gunderson: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Correct me if I am wrong, but points scored in the regular season have no bearing on if you make the postseason in the NFL. The only way they matter is that you scored at least 1 more than your opponent.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

Now I'm curious the last time SOS actually came into play in the NFL. You have to get through 5 other tiebreakers before SOS.


How do they calculate SOS?

/honest question
 
2012-09-22 02:02:17 PM

APO_Buddha: If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question


If he did, that was stupid of him indeed.  I agree with Schiano on this play, but yeah... not calling a time out was very stupid.
 
Because that's pretty much how the Miricale in the Meadowlands happened.  (Someone tell me if I'm wrong, I'm going off what Jaws said on PTI).  They took a knee on one play, and the defense still rushed in.  Defense takes a time out.  Offense is now onto their game, so instead of taking a second knee, they ran a real play.  QB fumbled the snap, defense scored a TD.
 
Or something like that.
 
2012-09-22 02:02:55 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: How do they calculate SOS?

/honest question



Simply add the wins and losses of all your opponents.
 
2012-09-22 02:10:47 PM

downstairs: APO_Buddha: If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question

If he did, that was stupid of him indeed.  I agree with Schiano on this play, but yeah... not calling a time out was very stupid.
 
Because that's pretty much how the Miricale in the Meadowlands happened.  (Someone tell me if I'm wrong, I'm going off what Jaws said on PTI).  They took a knee on one play, and the defense still rushed in.  Defense takes a time out.  Offense is now onto their game, so instead of taking a second knee, they ran a real play.  QB fumbled the snap, defense scored a TD.
 
Or something like that.


Remember, the play call was really unpopular in the huddle. Czonka didn't want to get the ball and have Eagles taking dirty shots at him (the Eagles were actively trying to provoke a fight at the end of that game). The offense was almost mutinous about the call, and they got up to the line late.

It wasn't as much of a farkup of coaching hubris as much as the culmination of a roster unhappy with blatant unprofessionalism on the coaching staff. The assistant coaches were worthless, and the head coach had hired most of them because they were his friends. That team was going to have a meltdown one way or another, and the botched snap was just the inevitable happening to also be spectacularly humiliating.
 
2012-09-22 02:17:48 PM

UNC_Samurai: zac1722: We must've been watching a different game, seriously it was the D-line coming off the ball and Manning tripping on his own pushed back O-line, there was no going for the knees, it wasn't dirty. It's TACKLE football, the game still had time left, go grab a farking tissue.

Then why did Schiano let the clock run out? Why didn't he call time out? Or why did he kneel to run out the clock at the end of the first half?

Let's drop all this machismo nonsense and all admit that Schiano's an unprofessional asshole.


I wonder if, given the situation, another coach will elect to "teach" Schiano by having his guys plow through the Bucs when they try to kneel.

/I know, it would take the Bucs winning to have this happen
 
2012-09-22 02:40:07 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wonder if, given the situation, another coach will elect to "teach" Schiano by having his guys plow through the Bucs when they try to kneel.

/I know, it would take the Bucs winning to have this happen


It would probably also take the Bucs' offensive line refusing to block. Which is most likely why they're out there on the field in the first place.
 
2012-09-22 02:45:22 PM

APO_Buddha: If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question


Because he wasn't seriously trying to win, and anyone thinking this was brilliant strategy and an unwavering refusal to lose probably just hates the Giants.

That said, this article was kind of pointless. Schiano was probably "a dick" to scouts because unlike Saban, who could have every Junior on his team jump to the NFL and just replace them with blue-chip prospects next spring, he knew that Rutgers would never be a prime destination for high school athletes because of the conference they're in, and just hated the idea of his best players being plucked away early from him.
 
2012-09-22 03:05:32 PM

Killer Cars: Because he wasn't seriously trying to win, and anyone thinking this was brilliant strategy and an unwavering refusal to lose probably just hates the Giants.



How do you know this?  Seriously.  I mean, why the heck not try to force a fumble?
 
2012-09-22 03:23:16 PM

UNC_Samurai:

Remember, the play call was really unpopular in the huddle. Czonka didn't want to get the ball and have Eagles taking dirty shots at him (the Eagles were actively trying to provoke a fight at the end of that game). The offense was almost mutinous about the call, and they got up to the line late.

It wasn't as much of a farkup of coaching hubris as much as the culmination of a roster unhappy with blatant unprofessionalism on the coaching staff. The assistant coaches were worthless, and the head coach had hired most of them because they were his friends. That team was going to have a meltdown one way or another, and the botched snap was just the inevitable happening to also be spectacularly humiliating.


Yeah, I don't think that's a good example because there was an actual handoff. The better examples would be San Diego vs. Kansas City on Halloween night last year and Troy vs. Oklahoma State in 2009.

In the SD game, the Chargers just needed to kneel in the middle of the field to set up the game-winning field goal (tie game, KC out of time outs). Rivers fumbled the snap and KC, recovered ultimately winning in overtime.

In the college game, Oklahoma State was up on Troy with about a minute left and Troy out of timeouts. Weeden fumbled the snap and, since Troy was bum-rushing the center (just like Schiano did) they recovered. Of course, they fumbled back the next play because they're Troy, but that still doesn't negate the fact that crazier things have happened than a QB fumbling on a seemingly harmless kneeldown.
 
2012-09-22 03:42:00 PM

downstairs: How do you know this?


Technically, I don't, nor does anyone else, but the lack of urgency when they had timeouts at their disposal means that play had all the earmarks of a "young coach wanting to send a message".

Do I think Schiano was trying to injure anyone, or that it was an unquestioned "bush league" play? Honestly no; I just do not understand why he's being congratulated for his decision like he just gave a master class on football strategy or displayed a winning attitude never seen on a playing field before. To me, it seemed like he was butthurt his team let Eli Manning throw for 10,000 yards in the second half alone, and he knew the narrative after the game would be "Bucs falter haplessly in the second half" otherwise, so, he did that in hopes to change the story and give his team, and the NFL in general, something to think about.

It sorta worked; I'll give him that.
 
2012-09-22 04:25:09 PM
RG3: "I don't like getting hit".
Media/farkers: "Quit being a whiny biatch, rookie".

Schiano: "The game is still going, so we're going to hit people".
Media/farkers: "You're out of line, rookie".
 
2012-09-22 05:14:27 PM

dickfreckle: zac1722: MmmmBacon: mr_a: Remember the old adage- Be nice to people on the way up...you will meet them again on the way back down.

This guy better win a lot of games-or he is going to have a really tough job search in two years

He coaches the Bucs... The creamsicle-clad perennial worst team in the NFC South... He'll be lucky to win five games before getting canned.

Que I don't think you know what that word means picture....

Since 1997 - 7 playoff appearances, 4 Time Division Champs, and Super Bowl Champions

Ya thats the NFC South basement dwelling perennial losers resumé

Recently you guys were overshadowed by the Saints and Falcons. Even when you finished 10-6 no one seemed to give a sh*t because the Saints were 13-3 and the top story pretty much everywhere.

I know I'm supposed to preach "no mercy" about my div. rivals, but I've always liked you guys when we're not competing for a game or seed.


SOS came into play for Colts having no 1 draft pick. It is the first tie breaker if 2 teams have the same record.
 
2012-09-22 05:27:11 PM

APO_Buddha: If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question


Because there was not 10 seconds left on the clock. The play started with exactly 5 seconds left. He could still have called it I guess, but there would have been at best 2 seconds left, that is if the replacement officials would have recognized someone trying to call a time out.
 
2012-09-22 05:41:53 PM

UNC_Samurai: Or why did he kneel to run out the clock at the end of the first half?


You are the 2nd person in this thread that has asked that when he didn't. Eli threw a pick 6 then, after the Giants got the ball back following the kick off, Eli took a knee. The question I think you are maybe meaning to ask is why didn't he try to blow up the kneel down play at the end of the half. That is the question I have heard a number of times even though you have to be a complete moron to ask it (along with they question about why did they just let the Giants score a TD with 30 seconds left if they were trying to "be aggressive for 60 minutes".
 
2012-09-22 06:05:25 PM
FTFA: Schiano may not care, but rightly or wrongly, a whole lot of experienced NFL talent evaluators have already stereotyped him as a self-centered autocrat who doesn't respect the game. You might say that they've put him in a box.

Dick in a box?
 
2012-09-22 06:27:24 PM
Football specifics aside, the article paints him as a guy who is simply an asshole because he can be with little to no respect for anyone else at all. If that's true, he's pretty much always going to be in the wrong in my book. When everyone except Belichick hates your guts it might be time to re-evaluate the way you communicate with others.
 
2012-09-22 08:38:23 PM
Another terrible yahoo article, written by some shiat eater.
 
2012-09-22 09:10:48 PM
There was time on the clock, it was a legal play by the TB defense, last time I checked the game ends when the clock hits 0:00. Not 0:01, not 0:02, but 0:00.
 
2012-09-22 09:48:48 PM

downstairs: APO_Buddha: If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question

If he did, that was stupid of him indeed.  I agree with Schiano on this play, but yeah... not calling a time out was very stupid.
 
Because that's pretty much how the Miricale in the Meadowlands happened.  (Someone tell me if I'm wrong, I'm going off what Jaws said on PTI).  They took a knee on one play, and the defense still rushed in.  Defense takes a time out.  Offense is now onto their game, so instead of taking a second knee, they ran a real play.  QB fumbled the snap, defense scored a TD.
 
Or something like that.


Jaws was wrong about the Meadowlands. See my earlier post.

/saw it happen live
/Giants fan
/ sigh
 
2012-09-22 10:01:39 PM

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: downstairs: APO_Buddha: If Schiano wanted to win, why didn't we call a timeout after the knee? He still had at least one left and over ten seconds left on the clock.

/serious question

If he did, that was stupid of him indeed.  I agree with Schiano on this play, but yeah... not calling a time out was very stupid.
 
Because that's pretty much how the Miricale in the Meadowlands happened.  (Someone tell me if I'm wrong, I'm going off what Jaws said on PTI).  They took a knee on one play, and the defense still rushed in.  Defense takes a time out.  Offense is now onto their game, so instead of taking a second knee, they ran a real play.  QB fumbled the snap, defense scored a TD.
 
Or something like that.

Jaws was wrong about the Meadowlands. See my earlier post.

/saw it happen live
/Giants fan
/ sigh


So was Jaworski. Box Score Jaworski is exactly right about what happened. Link
 
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