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(Bleeding Cool)   Dan Slott says retailers "haven't ordered enough" copies of Amazing Spider-Man #698 due to a huge event that will occur. Bleeding Cool reacts, Stephen Wacker retaliates, hilarity ensues   (bleedingcool.com) divider line 55
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2012-09-22 10:04:28 AM  
Can someone summarize?

/I'm looking at you, subby
 
2012-09-22 10:23:26 AM  

unlikely: Can someone summarize?


Guy who's working on the current Spider-Man says retailers should buy all they can because something historic is happening. Forumites reject that as forced hype. Stephen Wacker (who currently edits Spider-Man, I guess) starts losing his mind and insulting posters. First guy comes back and starts defending Wacker. I can't really find the hilarity, but it does make me glad that the internet didn't exist back in the day, because I'd never be able to watch another Hitchcock movie had I seen him call somebody a cockslap on a forum.
 
2012-09-22 10:36:53 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: unlikely: Can someone summarize?

Guy who's working on the current Spider-Man says retailers should buy all they can because something historic is happening. Forumites reject that as forced hype. Stephen Wacker (who currently edits Spider-Man, I guess) starts losing his mind and insulting posters. First guy comes back and starts defending Wacker. I can't really find the hilarity, but it does make me glad that the internet didn't exist back in the day, because I'd never be able to watch another Hitchcock movie had I seen him call somebody a cockslap on a forum.


I've watched Hitchcock movies. I don't get why people think they're so great.
 
2012-09-22 10:39:32 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: unlikely: Can someone summarize?

Guy who's working on the current Spider-Man says retailers should buy all they can because something historic is happening. Forumites reject that as forced hype. Stephen Wacker (who currently edits Spider-Man, I guess) starts losing his mind and insulting posters. First guy comes back and starts defending Wacker. I can't really find the hilarity, but it does make me glad that the internet didn't exist back in the day, because I'd never be able to watch another Hitchcock movie had I seen him call somebody a cockslap on a forum.


Yeah, I read to page ~30 or so (it's a slow morning) and didn't find hilarity, just a maturity level that made me kinda respect Fark Politics threads.
 
2012-09-22 11:44:49 AM  
Whatever.

bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-09-22 12:25:27 PM  
Is that maybe Doctor Octopus on the cover? Those floating clamps lead me to think so.

So, he's coming for revenge, and someone's gotta die.
 
2012-09-22 12:26:30 PM  
Looking forward to it
 
2012-09-22 12:36:05 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Is that maybe Doctor Octopus on the cover? Those floating clamps lead me to think so.

So, he's coming for revenge, and someone's gotta die.


I've been reading Invincible Ironman lately. Doc Oc has some sort of serious brain thing that's killing him. He kidnapped Stark just so he could force him to try and cure him. The twist was that he didn't expect Stark to be able to cure him. He just wanted to gloat over Stark not being smart enough to solve the problem.
 
2012-09-22 12:36:34 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Whatever.

[bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 599x610]


Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh, I'm getting the feeling it's a rehash of that. Which seriously says..."WHY?!?!?!"

Also seriously says "I don't want to buy your comic for the forseeable future."
 
2012-09-22 12:48:03 PM  

Honest Bender: I've been reading Invincible Ironman lately. Doc Oc has some sort of serious brain thing that's killing him. He kidnapped Stark just so he could force him to try and cure him. The twist was that he didn't expect Stark to be able to cure him. He just wanted to gloat over Stark not being smart enough to solve the problem.


Certainly looks like he's in a hospital setting for the picture, so that probably explains that.

Was always one of my favorite villains. Whatever plot he hatches will certainly be as needlessly complicated as possible, and punctuated by maniacal old-school cackling. Or maybe after all these years of convoluted schemes failing he'll just up and shoot someone.
 
2012-09-22 01:16:52 PM  
I haven't read Spidey in a while. Does his Peter Parker comment sort of imply that he remembers the world before the whole One more day thing? Or is that not even a thing any more?
 
2012-09-22 01:16:52 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: unlikely: Can someone summarize?

Guy who's working on the current Spider-Man says retailers should buy all they can because something historic is happening. Forumites reject that as forced hype. Stephen Wacker (who currently edits Spider-Man, I guess) starts losing his mind and insulting posters. First guy comes back and starts defending Wacker. I can't really find the hilarity, but it does make me glad that the internet didn't exist back in the day, because I'd never be able to watch another Hitchcock movie had I seen him call somebody a cockslap on a forum.


It seems that they may actually be rebooting Spider-man after issue #700 or something suspiciously similar.
 
2012-09-22 01:25:55 PM  

MinatoArisato013: It seems that they may actually be rebooting Spider-man after issue #700 or something suspiciously similar.


Seeing as they already have a new spider man waiting in the wings, maybe this will be the end of Peter Parker.

Can't say i'd miss him. He had a good run, and it's been boring for awhile now.
 
2012-09-22 01:40:35 PM  
Every comment on a message forum or twitter or facebook from a comics artist or writer only convinces me further that they're mostly social nincompoops who are only marginally able to function in outside society. They think they're freaking rock stars, and the idioic fanboy attention given to them by a small, vocal group only reinforces their delusions.
 
2012-09-22 01:41:51 PM  

Decados: Every comment on a message forum or twitter or facebook from a comics artist or writer only convinces me further that they're mostly social nincompoops who are only marginally able to function in outside society. They think they're freaking rock stars, and the idioic fanboy attention given to them by a small, vocal group only reinforces their delusions.

 

FTFY
 
2012-09-22 02:04:18 PM  
There is nothing major that can happen in mainstream Marvel and DC comic books. It will all either be retconned out of existence, or reset to an earlier time, after about six months.

They can't have these "writers" hurting the intellectual properties!
 
2012-09-22 02:16:53 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: MinatoArisato013: It seems that they may actually be rebooting Spider-man after issue #700 or something suspiciously similar.

Seeing as they already have a new spider man waiting in the wings, maybe this will be the end of Peter Parker.

Can't say i'd miss him. He had a good run, and it's been boring for awhile now.


Uh, that's Ultimate Spider-Man. 616 Spidey's still alive and kicking.
 
2012-09-22 02:21:05 PM  
Dan Slott is one of my favourite writers in the comic book industry today. The "Single Green Female" storyline behind She-Hulk is particularly worth reading.
 
2012-09-22 03:01:08 PM  
I do not expect anything terribly interesting, though I could be surprised. I do expect a mediocre reboot, or whatever "twist" they're pulling after issue 700. I should hope that they don't pull the "Kill Peter Parker" line again; they've done that in the Ultimates line and it's more or less killed the fanbase.
 
2012-09-22 03:12:28 PM  
Slott is ....not good. The "Spider Island" event last year turned me off from buying Spidey at all. It's just... shiatty. Oh, and Wacker is notorious for not keeping his cool.
 
2012-09-22 03:24:43 PM  

Toquinha: Dan Slott is one of my favourite writers in the comic book industry today. The "Single Green Female" storyline behind She-Hulk is particularly worth reading.


Slott is great when he's working on a book he can do anything with and no one gives a fark.

Unfortunately, he's on one of the franchise characters now, so he's probably limited by editorial.
 
2012-09-22 03:30:32 PM  
Since they pulled the OMD garbage, there's little of interest in Spidey. "Hey, you know all the interesting character development, and how Peter was growing up and becoming more interesting? Screw that, put him back to the dull story-of-the-month crap".
 
2012-09-22 03:36:19 PM  

Hebalo: Since they pulled the OMD garbage, there's little of interest in Spidey. "Hey, you know all the interesting character development, and how Peter was growing up and becoming more interesting? Screw that, put him back to the dull story-of-the-month crap".


Was OMD the reset that Mephi created?
If so, that's when I lost all interest.
 
2012-09-22 03:37:30 PM  

Hebalo: Since they pulled the OMD garbage, there's little of interest in Spidey. "Hey, you know all the interesting character development, and how Peter was growing up and becoming more interesting? Screw that, put him back to the dull story-of-the-month crap".


For all the shiat I give DC and Geoff Johns for needing it to be 1970 again and pissing away decades of character growth and change to make it so, Marvel did do it first when Joey Q took a big ol' shiat on Spider-Man.
 
2012-09-22 03:39:53 PM  
Virtual Pariah:Was OMD the reset that Mephi created?
If so, that's when I lost all interest.

Yup. Utter crap. Also, poorly explained, as half the characters seemed to have different impressions on what happened, and what even caused the in-world retcon.
 
2012-09-22 04:25:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: There is nothing major that can happen in mainstream Marvel and DC comic books. It will all either be retconned out of existence, or reset to an earlier time, after about six months.

They can't have these "writers" hurting the intellectual properties!


TThis is the 60th time we've rebooted the Marvel Universe. We've become exceedingly efficient at it.
 
2012-09-22 04:28:36 PM  
Is there a superhero comic anywhere where dead means dead and it's not revolted every few years?
 
2012-09-22 04:46:29 PM  
Hey, comics industry people! You need to try the "professionalism" thing. Please.

The only big business person who takes the time to address his detractors like this is Donald Trump, who is widely regarded as an insufferable asshole. You do not need to be taking business conduct advice from an insufferable asshole.

The material in superhero comics over the last decade has been largely offputting to me to begin with, and every Industry Circlejerk Over Some Fan Daring To Have a Negative Opinion puts me more and more into the camp of those people- the overwhelming majority -who will happily take their superheroes in cartoon, movie and video game forms, and say fark comic books, I'm done.
 
2012-09-22 04:51:19 PM  
rereading the Wally West Flash books, watching him grow into the role, change over time from obnoxious dipsh*t to being a respected hero, as well as happily married father of two, that was a hell of a good thing. For 25 years, he was The Flash, and truly grew into the title. For better or worse, Old DC was about tradition and history. People growing into the titles they'd inherited.

New 52 feels exactly like JoeQ's Spider-man; Get rid of all character growth, get rid of all maturity and character advancement, and completely start over, except for the things that actually happened but some of them didn't and some of them did but in a different way. Or not.

Under JowQ's reign as Marvel EIC, Peter died, came back with organic web shooters, ate his killer (no, really), publicly unmasked (which everyone remembers happening, but nobody can remember who he was, because things like newspapers and photographs and the internet didn't happen to work that day or something), threatened to kill the Kingpin if his 105 year old aunt died as a direct result of his unmasking (assassin tried to shoot him, got aunt May instead), and then made a deal with the devil to keep his 105 year old aunt alive at the cost of everything that made him a functional mature adult.

and people wonder why we long-time fans are leaving the Big Two...
 
2012-09-22 04:57:06 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: rereading the Wally West Flash books, watching him grow into the role, change over time from obnoxious dipsh*t to being a respected hero, as well as happily married father of two, that was a hell of a good thing. For 25 years, he was The Flash, and truly grew into the title. For better or worse, Old DC was about tradition and history. People growing into the titles they'd inherited.

New 52 feels exactly like JoeQ's Spider-man; Get rid of all character growth, get rid of all maturity and character advancement, and completely start over, except for the things that actually happened but some of them didn't and some of them did but in a different way. Or not.



How odd... I cracked out my bound Flash run and started rereading it just recently. And you're right... Wally goes from jerkass 20-year-old Flash to The Flash to married man over the course of 160 issues. Wally was the first sidekick to become the real deal, and he was The Flash for almost as long as Barry Allen was, and had infinitely better stories than Barry ever had.

Now, Wally doesn't even exist in the DCU, because he wasn't the Flash in 1970 when the professional fanfic writers think all comic book development halted.
 
2012-09-22 05:40:06 PM  

Hebalo: Since they pulled the OMD garbage, there's little of interest in Spidey. "Hey, you know all the interesting character development, and how Peter was growing up and becoming more interesting? Screw that, put him back to the dull story-of-the-month crap".


To be fair, most of the stories after OMD have been awesome, especially "New Ways To Die", "Crime and Punisher" and " Big Time".

On the other hand, these stories could have been done without the stupid "Mephisto erased our marriage" crap.
 
2012-09-22 05:59:36 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Hebalo: Since they pulled the OMD garbage, there's little of interest in Spidey. "Hey, you know all the interesting character development, and how Peter was growing up and becoming more interesting? Screw that, put him back to the dull story-of-the-month crap".

To be fair, most of the stories after OMD have been awesome, especially "New Ways To Die", "Crime and Punisher" and " Big Time".

On the other hand, these stories could have been done without the stupid "Mephisto erased our marriage" crap.


Also, to be fair, a large part of the problem with marvel is the whole Civil War storyline and how noone seems to be sure if it still happened or not. Sometimes it happened, sometimes no one seems to remember it existed.

The "bigger" and "cooler" you try and force a story into being, the worse it is likely to actually be.
 
2012-09-22 06:52:30 PM  
Looks like he's right. It is a BIG EVENT.

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/thx sarcastica75!
 
2012-09-22 07:39:27 PM  

OniExpress: FuryOfFirestorm: Hebalo: Since they pulled the OMD garbage, there's little of interest in Spidey. "Hey, you know all the interesting character development, and how Peter was growing up and becoming more interesting? Screw that, put him back to the dull story-of-the-month crap".

To be fair, most of the stories after OMD have been awesome, especially "New Ways To Die", "Crime and Punisher" and " Big Time".

On the other hand, these stories could have been done without the stupid "Mephisto erased our marriage" crap.

Also, to be fair, a large part of the problem with marvel is the whole Civil War storyline and how noone seems to be sure if it still happened or not. Sometimes it happened, sometimes no one seems to remember it existed.

The "bigger" and "cooler" you try and force a story into being, the worse it is likely to actually be.


You're right. Marvel kept talking about how Civil War was going to have "lasting repercussions". By the time Secret Invasion rolled around 6 months later, the SHRA and Iron Man's asshattery were pretty much forgotten. It was just an excuse to launch yet another Avengers series and put out a bunch of ancillary tie-in books. At least the events from House Of M are still being felt (for now).
 
2012-09-22 08:04:10 PM  
I like Slott, his She-Hulk is an all time favorite and possibly the most consistently imaginative super hero comic I've ever read, as well as one of the funniest.
That lead me to reading Spider-Man with the Brand New Day reboot and I've enjoyed it greatly, although there have been some low points like a maudlin one more day call back.
I can understand the reboot infuriating fans but I didn't read Spidey before brand new day so I wasn't bothered.

I'm not to worried about getting issue 698 because I the book it online and pre-order the trades on Amazon, but if Slott thinks it will get attention then he is probably right.
 
2012-09-22 10:00:03 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: You're right. Marvel kept talking about how Civil War was going to have "lasting repercussions". By the time Secret Invasion rolled around 6 months later, the SHRA and Iron Man's asshattery were pretty much forgotten. It was just an excuse to launch yet another Avengers series and put out a bunch of ancillary tie-in books. At least the events from House Of M are still being felt (for now).


House of M doesn't seem to be slowing down the current AvXM line. It's also made me laugh my ass off to see Captain America completely reversing his opinion from the CW story (pro tip: like fark have I paid cash up front to read AvXM. can't fool this reader again that quickly).

Right now I just read Spider Man (because in Marvel it's the only book that I can even vaguely enjoy on an issue-to-issue basis), and Captain Marvel (because I'm hoping that it will get better, like Miss Marvel was before. the butch-hawk hairstyle isn't convincing me, though).

Anything from Marvel that tries to be multi-title can eat a back of horse phalluses, and the only thing I like in DC is Stormwatch.
 
2012-09-22 11:20:44 PM  

Rwa2play: Uh, that's Ultimate Spider-Man. 616 Spidey's still alive and kicking.


What i meant was they could kill off the 616 Spidey and just shift attention to the new one in the Ultimate Universe.

On a conspiratorial note, what if the big plan of Disney (who now owns Marvel) is to have the Ultimate versions more popular, because they have to pay less royalties to the original creators when they use them.
 
2012-09-22 11:48:13 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Rwa2play: Uh, that's Ultimate Spider-Man. 616 Spidey's still alive and kicking.

What i meant was they could kill off the 616 Spidey and just shift attention to the new one in the Ultimate Universe.


Uh...NOT GONNA HAPPEN~! They could kill off the UU Spidey because...they could and it wouldn't affect their cashcow; just have someone else wear the costume.

On a conspiratorial note, what if the big plan of Disney (who now owns Marvel) is to have the Ultimate versions more popular, because they have to pay less royalties to the original creators when they use them.

Considering they've offed like half the characters that are in the 616 U in the Utimate Universe...I doubt it. There's a "once you're dead, you stay dead" unwritten edict in the UU; so I doubt they'd break that just so the UU becomes more popular. If anything, you'd be copying the dumbass move DC did in introducing "the new 52."
 
2012-09-23 12:16:15 AM  

Rwa2play: If anything, you'd be copying the dumbass move DC did in introducing "the new 52."


In what way do you consider it "dumbass". Sales are up, profile is up, fans seem to love it.
 
2012-09-23 12:20:51 AM  

Hebalo: Rwa2play: If anything, you'd be copying the dumbass move DC did in introducing "the new 52."

In what way do you consider it "dumbass". Sales are up, profile is up, fans seem to love it.


Sales are dropping each month, half the "profile" is from people biatching, and the people who buy these books are the ones who would buy any ld crap as long as it had a DC or Marvel logo on it, and have for years.
 
2012-09-23 12:23:35 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: Rwa2play: If anything, you'd be copying the dumbass move DC did in introducing "the new 52."

In what way do you consider it "dumbass". Sales are up, profile is up, fans seem to love it.

Sales are dropping each month, half the "profile" is from people biatching, and the people who buy these books are the ones who would buy any ld crap as long as it had a DC or Marvel logo on it, and have for years.


Yes,yes, you barf that up every time you can. We get it, you don't like Marvel or DC. Bored.
 
2012-09-23 12:26:19 AM  

Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: Rwa2play: If anything, you'd be copying the dumbass move DC did in introducing "the new 52."

In what way do you consider it "dumbass". Sales are up, profile is up, fans seem to love it.

Sales are dropping each month, half the "profile" is from people biatching, and the people who buy these books are the ones who would buy any old crap as long as it had a DC or Marvel logo on it, and have for years.

Yes,yes, you barf that up every time you can. We get it, you don't like Marvel or DC. Bored.


Reality is a real biatch, isn't it?
 
2012-09-23 12:42:04 AM  
If it has anything to do with this terrible Alpha character Slott has concocted, I hardly believe it will be "historic."
 
2012-09-23 07:37:41 AM  
The only thing they might do that they can't undo is bring Uncle Ben back. They already brought back Bucky and Jason Todd, why not *totally* pissed on the concept of immutability

/doesn't read comics any more, but that would make me stabby
 
2012-09-23 11:31:12 AM  
Oh, is this the thread where people who had a hissy fit over OMD come in and say they haven't read Spidey since then?

OH GOODY. I NEVER GET TIRED OF THAT.

Seriously, guys... Slott has been writing some of the best issues of ASM since the book started, and I have read every issue of ASM in existence. Yes, OMD sucked, but are you really telling me you gave up on such a great character because of ONE bad story? Honestly?

If you'd stuck around, you'd know they pretty much closed every hole, fixed everything you're biatching about, and made good on the promise to use OMD to begin putting ASM back on track. They did it. It rocks. It has for the past several years. Pete is EXACTLY where he needs to be, now. They didn't "go backwards" at all--- They advanced him further than anyone ever dared to while he was married, and as a bonus they got rid of most of his extra (stupid) powers from the totem stories.

MJ's still there. Pete is not living with Aunt May (in fact, they got her out of the book for the most part. She got married and moved away.) and Spidey is far better for the changes they made to the book.

Now, as to the big event--- Yes, that's Doc Ock on the cover, and no, he doesn't have "a brain thing" -- He's dying, and has been for a while, because he spent years fighting Spider-Man and other superhumans without proper protection. His body and brain are DAMAGED from the years of getting his ass kicked by people with super powers. He's WAY over the deep end now. He recently tried to kill everyone on Earth just because he doesn't think it's fair that he has to die and everyone else gets to live. And he was almost dead after that, but Pete made Captain America and SHIELD promise to hospitalize him and keep him alive until his life ended naturally. Others wanted to let him expire without life support, but Pete wouldn't let them do that.

So I'm guessing Otto is going for one last "fark you" to Spider-Man, and that will probably be publicly revealing his identity, which he will have worked out sometime in the past year since the spell that protected Pete's identity has been lifted (accidentally, by Pete himself).

While lifting the spell didn't undo the previous unmasking, it does make it so that any future reveals will be remembered.

Either that, or Otto remembers his time dating May, and he'll have her killed just to hurt Pete & Spider-Man, whether or not he knows they're the same guy.

Honestly, though--- If you haven't read Amazing Spider-Man lately, you're missing the best run of the entire series. Pick up where you left off and give it a shot. Don't hold Dan Slott and team responsible for what Joe Quesada did. You didn't stop loving Ghostbusters when GB2 happened. You didn't stop loving Doctor Who because of "Fear Her" or "Love and Monsters"... Don't let OMD drive you away from the best Spider-Man comics in decades.
 
2012-09-23 11:34:35 AM  

stratagos: The only thing they might do that they can't undo is bring Uncle Ben back. They already brought back Bucky and Jason Todd, why not *totally* pissed on the concept of immutability

/doesn't read comics any more, but that would make me stabby


Ben has been back numerous times, in numerous ways. They've been doing that since the 1970s, at least.

Of course, he always ends up dead again. I guess that's all that counts.
 
2012-09-23 11:36:37 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: Rwa2play: If anything, you'd be copying the dumbass move DC did in introducing "the new 52."

In what way do you consider it "dumbass". Sales are up, profile is up, fans seem to love it.

Sales are dropping each month, half the "profile" is from people biatching, and the people who buy these books are the ones who would buy any old crap as long as it had a DC or Marvel logo on it, and have for years.

Yes,yes, you barf that up every time you can. We get it, you don't like Marvel or DC. Bored.

Reality is a real biatch, isn't it?


Go read some Flaming Carrot and have a nice day, then. Sheesh.
 
2012-09-23 01:22:20 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Oh, is this the thread where people who had a hissy fit over OMD come in and say they haven't read Spidey since then?

OH GOODY. I NEVER GET TIRED OF THAT.

Seriously, guys... Slott has been writing some of the best issues of ASM since the book started, and I have read every issue of ASM in existence. Yes, OMD sucked, but are you really telling me you gave up on such a great character because of ONE bad story? Honestly?

...They didn't "go backwards" at all--- They advanced him further than anyone ever dared to while he was married, and as a bonus they got rid of most of his extra (stupid) powers from the totem stories.

MJ's still there. Pete is not living with Aunt May (in fact, they got her out of the book for the most part. She got married and moved away.) and Spidey is far better for the changes they made to the book.



So I'm guessing Otto is going for one last "fark you" to Spider-Man, and that will probably be publicly revealing his identity, whi ...



So, by "not going backwards", they're going to reveal his identity? Bullshiat.

And detail some of this "advancement" you see in him. Please!!

Before OMD, he was growing up as a man, dealing with married life, moving forward. They reset all of that, put him back prior to any of that growth, and gave us bullshiat like Spider-Island.

That alone is reason enough to call bullshiat on your claim of "best run"
 
2012-09-23 03:22:49 PM  

ZeroCorpse: stratagos: The only thing they might do that they can't undo is bring Uncle Ben back. They already brought back Bucky and Jason Todd, why not *totally* pissed on the concept of immutability

/doesn't read comics any more, but that would make me stabby

Ben has been back numerous times, in numerous ways. They've been doing that since the 1970s, at least.

Of course, he always ends up dead again. I guess that's all that counts.


Actually, I don't think anyone ever killed off the alternate universe Uncle Ben that Peter David brought over to the 616 in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. So, he could still be wandering around out there.
 
2012-09-23 05:23:23 PM  

Hebalo: ZeroCorpse: Oh, is this the thread where people who had a hissy fit over OMD come in and say they haven't read Spidey since then?

OH GOODY. I NEVER GET TIRED OF THAT.

Seriously, guys... Slott has been writing some of the best issues of ASM since the book started, and I have read every issue of ASM in existence. Yes, OMD sucked, but are you really telling me you gave up on such a great character because of ONE bad story? Honestly?

...They didn't "go backwards" at all--- They advanced him further than anyone ever dared to while he was married, and as a bonus they got rid of most of his extra (stupid) powers from the totem stories.

MJ's still there. Pete is not living with Aunt May (in fact, they got her out of the book for the most part. She got married and moved away.) and Spidey is far better for the changes they made to the book.



So I'm guessing Otto is going for one last "fark you" to Spider-Man, and that will probably be publicly revealing his identity, whi ...


So, by "not going backwards", they're going to reveal his identity? Bullshiat.

And detail some of this "advancement" you see in him. Please!!

Before OMD, he was growing up as a man, dealing with married life, moving forward. They reset all of that, put him back prior to any of that growth, and gave us bullshiat like Spider-Island.

That alone is reason enough to call bullshiat on your claim of "best run"



They didn't reset anything that didn't need resetting. He is on his own, he has his dream career working as in inventor/scientist for a tech company, he doesn't have to worry about protecting Aunt May or Mary Jane every other issue. Staying with MJ was a problem that was no different than staying with Aunt May-- Every few months a villain would threaten her, and he'd do whatever he could to protect them. That hasn't happened since OMD. I'd call that advancement.

Let's see... He's a full-fledged Avenger, and a member of the FF. He is forming relationships with other superheroes as Peter Parker AND as Spider-Man. He actually learned to fight properly from Shang Chi. He has a mature best-friendship with Mary Jane. He isn't "down on his luck" all the time, and is actually greatly admired in his civilian career. He has invented several things that people in the Marvel Universe use every day, and he LOVES what he's doing.

He settled his issues with Harry. He is the foremost authority on Norman Osborn, who has become a class-A villain since OMD. He is also the go-to guy for how to deal with Doc Ock since that time (and managed to save the world because of it). He understands he's one of the A-listers now, and he takes the responsibility seriously.

He has lots of money, his dream job, respect from everyone except JJJ (and even there, sometimes he sees a glimpse of it), a happily married Aunt living in another state, a new Uncle, a best friend that works out better as a friend than she ever did as a wife/girlfriend, another ex who knows his identity (along with the entire superhero community), and so much more. How is that not moving forward?

As for the identity issue, I said I think that might be the case with Otto in this big issue. I don't know for sure what's going to happen. I do know, however, that revealing his identity to the world will ALWAYS be a threat/plot point that will be tossed around, just as it has always been with him and every other old-school superhero. Superman runs into that, too. It's a comic book trope and it's not going away any time soon, so to blame that on JQ or OMD is sort of dumb.

Before OMD he was not "dealing with life" or "moving forward" -- He was dealing with the same old issues he always dealt with: "OMG! Someone's going after MJ! I have to save her!" is not "moving forward", and neither was anything during the stupid spider-totem series. Finding out Osborn porked Gwen is not "moving forward", and dying then getting stupid spider-aquaman powers isn't either. JMS damn near ruined the series, as did editors who FORCED the marriage to happen just because it was happening in the comic strip, too, and OMD was necessary to fix a lot of that mess.

Pete's more of an adult now than he ever was prior to OMD.

And yes, Spider-Island was over-the-top, but it did get some things done story-wise; It gave Pete the drive to learn kung fu, gave Agent Venom a heroic launch, and brought the Jackal back into Spider-Man stories in a big way, which is handy when you're killing off an arch-enemy like Doc Ock.

Anyway, all I ever hear from people whining about OMD (which was YEARS ago, now... More when you consider the number of issues since then) is that it made Pete more like a teenager, and that's about as far from the truth as they can possibly be. If anything, it finally ended all those stories that were like those during his teen years and made him stand on his own and finally reach the goals he set out to achieve back when Uncle Ben was still alive. He's apart from May, living his dream, and making a difference outside of the tights. That's more advancement than getting totem-powers or a hot supermodel wife ever could have been.
 
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