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2012-09-22 08:00:45 AM
A crack high only lasts a few seconds. Sounds like you get your money's worth with this stuff.
 
2012-09-22 08:21:46 AM

Mugato: A crack high only lasts a few seconds. Sounds like you get your money's worth with this stuff.


The anti-Meth campaign slogan (at least where I live) is "Not even once."

This stuff sounds worse. "Not even √-1," I guess.
 
2012-09-22 09:11:13 AM
Great article, thanks, subs.
 
2012-09-22 09:37:36 AM
This shiat is real. Yeah, we have meth around here, but once this shiat started popping up I've had to deal with a crazy amount of overdoses on it.
 
2012-09-22 11:21:59 AM
I remember when the big DARE schtick was that if you did LSD more than four times, you were legally insane.

They should've held off on that little gem, because I think it might actually apply to this shiat.
 
2012-09-22 11:28:32 AM
I'm really confused as to why he wasn't admitted to a psych hospital after cutting his own throat. I mean, I understand the whole "he was on drugs before he did it" part, but that's not really a valid excuse in any of the ERs I've worked in.
 
2012-09-22 11:28:53 AM

namegoeshere: I remember when the big DARE schtick was that if you did LSD more than four times, you were legally insane.

They should've held off on that little gem, because I think it might actually apply to this shiat.


Yeah, I think DARE did more harm than good to a lot of people. Because they sort of lie about the dangers of some of the stuff (POT WILL MAKE YOU RUN OVER SMALL CHILDREN!), and, uh... don't, really lie about the dangers of a bunch of the rest of it.

But so kids eventually try pot, go "Oh, this isn't super bad at all! I bet they lied to me about the OTHER stuff, too!" "NOPE."

/that said, I have no interest in smoking pot-I think I'd be one of the people that gets really, really paranoid.
 
2012-09-22 11:30:33 AM
The market will self correct. At least you won't get cancer from it.
 
2012-09-22 11:30:41 AM
So is this really true or is it a Reefer madness type thing?

I mean, I'm not going to test it out or anything but I've been lied to before about how the latest drug is going to turn me into a baby eating sexual pervert forever.
 
2012-09-22 11:31:07 AM
Reefer Madness
 
2012-09-22 11:31:47 AM
So close.
 
2012-09-22 11:34:44 AM
I don't know what that molecular structure is supposed to be, but it in no way resembles methylenedioxypyrovalerone.
 
2012-09-22 11:35:20 AM

CTZanderman: I'm really confused as to why he wasn't admitted to a psych hospital after cutting his own throat. I mean, I understand the whole "he was on drugs before he did it" part, but that's not really a valid excuse in any of the ERs I've worked in.


Not in LA, I work in mental health here. The programs are so gutted it's impossible to have anyone committed. I once referred a client to the local mental health unit who was actively psychotic, smearing feces all over herself, and unaware of who she was and where she was. They cleaned her up and released her back onto the streets in less than 12 hours. She was never admitted, and no one called her family or her home aid service when they released her. it took us days to find her again as she just began wondering the streets and living as a homeless person.
 
2012-09-22 11:35:23 AM
There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.
 
2012-09-22 11:36:01 AM
So what they're saying is you can't wash it or soak it out?
 
2012-09-22 11:38:00 AM

Hector Remarkable: There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.


Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Because it could potentially be kind of a big deal.
 
2012-09-22 11:38:08 AM

Bondith: I don't know what that molecular structure is supposed to be, but it in no way resembles methylenedioxypyrovalerone.


That's easy for you to say.
 
2012-09-22 11:38:58 AM
it doesn't turn everyone insane. Some people it just brings out the inner asshole.

/been there
//done that.
 
2012-09-22 11:39:13 AM

CTZanderman: I'm really confused as to why he wasn't admitted to a psych hospital after cutting his own throat. I mean, I understand the whole "he was on drugs before he did it" part, but that's not really a valid excuse in any of the ERs I've worked in.


Also apparently it's a bad idea to leave a rifle lying around in a house with a suicidal person around.
 
2012-09-22 11:40:01 AM
why do they ALWAYS blame mephedrone
which is actually a "pleasant" high.
 
2012-09-22 11:40:07 AM

Felgraf: namegoeshere: I remember when the big DARE schtick was that if you did LSD more than four times, you were legally insane.

They should've held off on that little gem, because I think it might actually apply to this shiat.

Yeah, I think DARE did more harm than good to a lot of people. Because they sort of lie about the dangers of some of the stuff (POT WILL MAKE YOU RUN OVER SMALL CHILDREN!), and, uh... don't, really lie about the dangers of a bunch of the rest of it.

But so kids eventually try pot, go "Oh, this isn't super bad at all! I bet they lied to me about the OTHER stuff, too!" "NOPE."

/that said, I have no interest in smoking pot-I think I'd be one of the people that gets really, really paranoid.


There were studies showing D.A.R.E. kids were actually more likely to try drugs than those that didn't get D.A.R.E. class.

It was kind of providing sheltered suburban teens with a roadmap primer to all the good stuff.
 
2012-09-22 11:40:07 AM

incendi: Hector Remarkable: There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.

Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Because it could potentially be kind of a big deal.



They don't talk to their neighbors. They only call the police on YOU if you dare speak up about their outrageous behavior. It's a serious problem.
 
2012-09-22 11:40:21 AM

Snarfangel: Bondith: I don't know what that molecular structure is supposed to be, but it in no way resembles methylenedioxypyrovalerone.

That's easy for you to say.


And for my next trick: thallium trifluoromethanesulphonate.

/fucitol
 
2012-09-22 11:41:36 AM

incendi: Hector Remarkable: There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.

Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Because it could potentially be kind of a big deal.


He's studying neuroscience. What's the worst that could happen?
 
2012-09-22 11:43:22 AM
Marijuana rehab?


/boo this man!
 
2012-09-22 11:43:31 AM
This smells of Refer Madness, that said it worked and I'm sticking to crack and meth for now
 
2012-09-22 11:44:19 AM
Yes, they really are this bad.

Difficulty: Having to preface any televised PSA with "We're not even lying this time! We Promise!".

/Unintended consequences?
 
2012-09-22 11:45:10 AM

Snarfangel: incendi: Hector Remarkable: There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.

Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Because it could potentially be kind of a big deal.

He's studying neuroscience. What's the worst that could happen?



Nobody believes me when I've said that the kid will be the next Loughner; the next Holmes, the next Columbine or whatever, but, having to trust my own instincts, I'm almost certain that will be the case with my troubled, troubled neighbor.
 
2012-09-22 11:45:24 AM
What the hell ever happened to the dude who was trying to eat the guy's face in Miami? Last I heard there was a coroner's report saying the guy didn't have anything except THC in his system.
 
2012-09-22 11:46:08 AM

CTZanderman: I'm really confused as to why he wasn't admitted to a psych hospital after cutting his own throat. I mean, I understand the whole "he was on drugs before he did it" part, but that's not really a valid excuse in any of the ERs I've worked in.


.
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This is an article put out by a government funded news organization, and sponsored by government agencies, you were expecting a true story with facts?
 
2012-09-22 11:46:22 AM

smeag0l: The market will self correct. At least you won't get cancer from it.



Users don't live long enough to get cancer?
 
2012-09-22 11:46:35 AM

Hector Remarkable: Snarfangel: incendi: Hector Remarkable: There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.

Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Because it could potentially be kind of a big deal.

He's studying neuroscience. What's the worst that could happen?


Nobody believes me when I've said that the kid will be the next Loughner; the next Holmes, the next Columbine or whatever, but, having to trust my own instincts, I'm almost certain that will be the case with my troubled, troubled neighbor.


Well in that case when he finally snaps, will you please find a media camera and say "oh yeah, we all saw it coming, we knew it was just a matter of time." Rather than the tired predictable useless comment the neighbors usually make: "He was always such a nice quiet guy."
 
2012-09-22 11:47:39 AM
I think it's about time America launched a war on drugs.
 
2012-09-22 11:49:36 AM

PacificaFitz: This smells of Refer Madness, that said it worked and I'm sticking to crack and meth for now


Refer Madness was in a time when you could make up shiat about a drug, tell it to some idiot in Oklahoma via newsreel, and have everyone believe it. Now there are documented cases of people losing their shiat completely while on this stuff.

It's... not the same.
 
2012-09-22 11:50:33 AM

Generation_D: Hector Remarkable: Snarfangel: incendi: Hector Remarkable: There is zero chance that my neighbor's kid is not on this stuff. I'm fairly certain that he will kill everybody in the immediate vicinity at some point.

Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Because it could potentially be kind of a big deal.

He's studying neuroscience. What's the worst that could happen?


Nobody believes me when I've said that the kid will be the next Loughner; the next Holmes, the next Columbine or whatever, but, having to trust my own instincts, I'm almost certain that will be the case with my troubled, troubled neighbor.

Well in that case when he finally snaps, will you please find a media camera and say "oh yeah, we all saw it coming, we knew it was just a matter of time." Rather than the tired predictable useless comment the neighbors usually make: "He was always such a nice quiet guy."



I've got some 'dead-man's switches' set up, so to speak, but I'm certain that I will be amongst his very first victims. And before you ask, yes, I have been feverishly seeking a new place to live.
 
2012-09-22 11:51:48 AM
Who are these people who go to a dealer and say, "Hey, can I get some of that stuff that turns you into an insane cannibal?"
 
2012-09-22 11:51:58 AM

UNC_Samurai: What the hell ever happened to the dude who was trying to eat the guy's face in Miami? Last I heard there was a coroner's report saying the guy didn't have anything except THC in his system.


IIRC correctly (and it was on Fark,) experts were consulted and felt that it was indeed bath salts because THC simply doesn't cause that behavior.

They just believed it had somehow eluded detection because the tests weren't perfected yet and the drug formulas are constantly changed.

(from memory, don't flame me if I didn't get all the details right.)
 
2012-09-22 11:52:13 AM
LOL @ TFA

They switched the eggs in the frying pan routine for a sink overflowing.

This is your brain (water trickling out of the faucet)
This is your brain on bath salts (sink over flowing)

I read the article, and all I can gather is that most of these folks basically over-dosed on the stuff. Or rather, there was too high a concentration of the active chemical in whatever ingestion method they used.
 
2012-09-22 11:52:22 AM

Marine1: PacificaFitz: This smells of Refer Madness, that said it worked and I'm sticking to crack and meth for now

Refer Madness was in a time when you could make up shiat about a drug, tell it to some idiot in Oklahoma via newsreel, and have everyone believe it. Now there are documented cases of people losing their shiat completely while on this stuff.

It's... not the same.


Except after 80 years of mass marketed lies about recreational drugs, including quite a few lies told by police to media, who can really say? Cops lie all the time as it is, any time they shoot a dog or person they have a cover story why it was required. Now you expect the public to just accept the "fact" that these chemicals are suddenly going to turn people instantly crazy.

I am not saying taking them is a good idea, but unless you really know the situation first hand, it is easy to see why distrust is the default stance.

The DEA has been creating distrust for 50 years now.

I'll just keep watching that Rachel Leigh Cook video, now that girl knew something about frying an egg.
 
2012-09-22 11:53:13 AM
I'm not sure I trust the hype.
If it were truly as bad as they make it out to be, how would it spread so fast?

"Damn, he just ate that dude's face! I'll have what he's having!"
"My life sucks, I need more monsters and aliens to make it interesting"

If this were the experience of the general population of users, there wouldn't be any users for long.
 
2012-09-22 11:54:58 AM

drwiki: Yes, they really are this bad.

Difficulty: Having to preface any televised PSA with "We're not even lying this time! We Promise!".

/Unintended consequences?


If you're stupid that you believe that if marijuana is not that bad, you should just try anything, you deserve what you get.

This guy was in a treatment program for mj addiction. Yes theres a lot of that and the subculture ignores it.
 
2012-09-22 11:55:00 AM

Endrick: I'm not sure I trust the hype.
If it were truly as bad as they make it out to be, how would it spread so fast?

"Damn, he just ate that dude's face! I'll have what he's having!"
"My life sucks, I need more monsters and aliens to make it interesting"

If this were the experience of the general population of users, there wouldn't be any users for long.


Egg-zactly.

All drugs you take can kill you.

Very few kill you this instant

If they did, their consumers would be gone in a few weeks.
 
2012-09-22 11:55:30 AM
The article doesn't say it's permanent. The autoreceptor blocking itself is long-lasting, but what neurons do when any sort of receptors stop working for a period of time is simply grow new ones. This takes some time, which explains the longer lasting effects of these drugs versus, say, cocaine. Hell, PCP isn't permanent, but it permanently blocks NMDA receptor calcium channels, rendering them useless. The neurons will still grow new NMDARs though.
 
2012-09-22 11:56:21 AM

PacificaFitz: This smells of Refer Madness, that said it worked and I'm sticking to crack and meth for now


as long as you stay away from reefer, that stuff will make you murder and rape without even caring what order you commit the crimes in.
 
2012-09-22 11:57:04 AM

Animatronik: If you're stupid that you believe that if marijuana is not that bad, you should just try anything, you deserve what you get.

This guy was in a treatment program for mj addiction. Yes theres a lot of that and the subculture ignores it.


0/10

Weak troll is weak.

You must have watched Reefer Madness as a documentary.
 
2012-09-22 11:57:07 AM
FTFA: At the time of his death, he was in a drug program for marijuana abuse, actively attending group meetings and undergoing frequent drug tests.

If this kid legitimately needed to go to rehab for marijuana abuse, then it seems likely that he had mental problems before he ever tried bath salts.

FTFA: "It's so hard to understand how something sold over the counter can result in death," Julie Sanders said. "I can't grasp it, I just still can't grasp that thought."

Wow. Just wow.
 
2012-09-22 11:58:23 AM

Animatronik: drwiki: Yes, they really are this bad.

Difficulty: Having to preface any televised PSA with "We're not even lying this time! We Promise!".

/Unintended consequences?

If you're stupid that you believe that if marijuana is not that bad, you should just try anything, you deserve what you get.

This guy was in a treatment program for mj addiction. Yes theres a lot of that and the subculture ignores it.


Something like 80% of patients at those are there because of justice referrals. It's ignored because it's basically the courts funneling money to these centers.
 
2012-09-22 11:58:35 AM

UNC_Samurai: What the hell ever happened to the dude who was trying to eat the guy's face in Miami? Last I heard there was a coroner's report saying the guy didn't have anything except THC in his system.


Anything that they could detect.
 
2012-09-22 11:59:00 AM

Animatronik: drwiki: Yes, they really are this bad.

Difficulty: Having to preface any televised PSA with "We're not even lying this time! We Promise!".

/Unintended consequences?

If you're stupid that you believe that if marijuana is not that bad, you should just try anything, you deserve what you get.

This guy was in a treatment program for mj addiction. Yes theres a lot of that and the subculture ignores it.


In the vast majority of cases "mj treatment" is a work around for ridiculous,destructive drug laws not an argument for their existence.
 
2012-09-22 11:59:11 AM

Quaker: FTFA: At the time of his death, he was in a drug program for marijuana abuse, actively attending group meetings and undergoing frequent drug tests.

If this kid legitimately needed to go to rehab for marijuana abuse, then it seems likely that he had mental problems before he ever tried bath salts.


It was probably court ordered because he got caught with some. One-sided reports will always church up a situation to make it look as if the kid was good, but the scourge of illegal substances ruined his life.

FTFA: "It's so hard to understand how something sold over the counter can result in death," Julie Sanders said. "I can't grasp it, I just still can't grasp that thought."

Wow. Just wow.


As she pours bleach in to the washing machine.
 
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