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(LA Times)   60 minutes asks about Peggy Noonan's comment that Mitt's campaign was a "rolling calamity.". Romney: "That's not ... that's not the campaign," "That was me, right? I -- that's not a campaign." Pelley's response: "You are the campaign"   (latimes.com) divider line 272
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2012-09-22 07:59:42 AM
In the world of the GOP, the candidate and the campaign don't necessarily have a connection.

Like in 2008, when the McCain campaign famously said, "John McCain does not speak for the McCain campaign."
 
2012-09-22 08:10:43 AM
It's funny to watch rich people with hubris act like they know what the f*ck they are talking about simply because they have accumulated wealth. Adorable. Well, only because he's losing. If he were winning I'd be doing a perpetual *head-desk*.

Shine on you crazy bastard. Enjoy your vacation after you lose.
 
2012-09-22 09:55:59 AM
I...ummm...did he just throw himself under the bus?
 
2012-09-22 09:59:42 AM
The fake tan he put on for the Univision interview is just awesome. One more application and he'll be doing blackface.
 
2012-09-22 10:15:29 AM
Michael Dukakis should call Mitt Romney and thank him for permanently retiring the phrase "Dukakis in the tank moment."
 
2012-09-22 10:26:35 AM
This has got to be a patented Fark headline misdirection... Uh, nope. He actually said that. Keep on keepin' on, Mitt.
 
2012-09-22 10:29:17 AM
Romney: "Well, actually, we're tied in the polls. We're all within the margin of error. We bounce around -- week to week -- day to day. There are some days we're up. There are some days we're down. We go forward with my message, that this is a time to reinvigorate the American economy, not by expanding government and raising taxes on people, but instead by making sure government encourages entrepreneurship and innovation and gets the private sector hiring again."

I can't tell if he's clueless, lying or if someone on his campaign staff is lying to him. Romney isn't ahead at all, in fact he's been in a decline since the convention. which isn't irreversible or necessarily mean the end...but he's in a measurable decline. I mean he has to know that, right?
 
2012-09-22 10:38:20 AM

Weaver95: I can't tell if he's clueless, lying or if someone on his campaign staff is lying to him. Romney isn't ahead at all, in fact he's been in a decline since the convention. which isn't irreversible or necessarily mean the end...but he's in a measurable decline. I mean he has to know that, right?


The mentality of a self-absorbed CEO is fundamentally different from normal people. There's this undercurrent that things will work out for them, since they are innately better at whatever it is they're doing than others. The amount of meetings I've had where I and others stood up and said "All of the positives are in this column, and this other idea is all negatives," and the decision-makers said "Yeah, but I can just feel how big this other idea is," hasn't given me much faith in our glorious job-creating overlords.

Basically boils down to there being a million excuses for why they're not succeeding, and right at the top is usually that other people just can't see things the way the boss does. In the real world, one person who sees things differently from everyone else and cannot be swayed by evidence is insane. In the business world, one person who sees things differently from everyone else and cannot be swayed by evidence is the CEO.
 
2012-09-22 10:47:58 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
Basically boils down to there being a million excuses for why they're not succeeding, and right at the top is usually that other people just can't see things the way the boss does. In the real world, one person who sees things differently from everyone else and cannot be swayed by evidence is insane. In the business world, one person who sees things differently from everyone else and cannot be swayed by evidence is the CEO.


I suppose its possible Romney merely doesn't want to admit how weak his campaign is right now. I'll accept that as a valid response. But internally, team Romney had better be on the ball and paying attention to the real polling data and trying to get back on track. it's just that the Romney campaign seems so....unfocused and off track that I find it difficult to see how they plan on winning against Obama. I guess I expected a better run organization. tight ship, well organized, on message...that sort of thing. instead they're having money problems and stumbling from mistake to mistake and doing damage control more than they're doing their main job of actually running a campaign.
 
2012-09-22 10:54:17 AM
Sounds like it is time to re-install the OS.
 
2012-09-22 10:55:41 AM
Are we sure that Romney wasn't just a figurehead at Bain, because his business skills do not seem to be helping him out in the campaign. But then Ross Perot wasn't a good campaigner either and he's a bigger businessman than Romney.
 
2012-09-22 10:56:07 AM
This is getting tiresome. Can we go ahead and just call the election already?
 
2012-09-22 10:56:25 AM

MisterLoki: Sounds like it is time to re-install the OS.


Or switch over to a Linux distro.
 
2012-09-22 10:57:37 AM
fta
Pelley: "A lot of Republicans would like to know, a lot of your donors would like to know, how do you turn this thing around? You've got a little more than six weeks. What do you do?"

Romney: "Well, it doesn't need a turnaround. We've got a campaign which is tied with an incumbent president to [sic] the United States."


Obama bad! Me not him! Remember when the Republicans accused Democrats of Bush Derangement Syndrome and of running a campaign they entitled Anybody But Bush?
 
2012-09-22 10:58:01 AM
Monumental levels of ineptitude.
 
2012-09-22 10:58:23 AM
Romney has proven over the course of his campaign that wealth has no connection to competence, integrity or an honest day's work.
 
2012-09-22 10:58:39 AM
Romney: "Well, it doesn't need a turnaround. We've got a campaign which is tied with an incumbent president to [sic] the United States."

Yeah that's kind of the problem, Mitt. You guys have spent the past 4 years telling everyone how the US was going to fall into Godless anarchy under Barrack Hussein Obama, and when that didn't happen, the only thing you all have left is "But...but...you're black!"

/Couldn't find the Lethal Weapon 2 scene on GIS
 
2012-09-22 11:00:09 AM
Wow, that was pathetic. I bet the video is even worse than reading it. You can't read his voice nervously changing pitch, the awkward pauses, the inability to keep volume or speed consistent, etc.

This guy has obviously surrounded himself with yes-men his entire life and he's never had to deal with someone challenging him at all. The debates are going to be painful to watch.
 
2012-09-22 11:00:22 AM
"That's not ... that's not the campaign," "That was me, right? I -- that's not a campaign."

He does still think like a CEO. The CEO farked up and said something stupid so his instinct was to protect the company. "So hey, I messed up but the company is as strong as ever!" He doesn't notice that that method is counterproductive when the entire point of the existence of the company is to make the CEO look good to as many people as possible.
 
2012-09-22 11:00:39 AM

Weaver95: I guess I expected a better run organization. tight ship, well organized, on message...that sort of thing.


I always figured Romney would be the GOP nominee, but I always figured that his biggest hurdle would be that he's a relatively moderate candidate in an increasingly extremist party. I never figured his problems would mostly be of his own making or general incompetence.
 
2012-09-22 11:05:11 AM
Has anybody noticed how little Romney has been campaigning lately? Here it is about a month and a half before the election, and except for that one little thing in Florida a couple of days ago, he's nowhere to be seen. I think it's because of stuff like this. The more people see and hear Romney, the more they realize what he is, and the less likely they are to vote for him.
 
2012-09-22 11:05:47 AM

Weaver95: I suppose its possible Romney merely doesn't want to admit how weak his campaign is right now. I'll accept that as a valid response. But internally, team Romney had better be on the ball and paying attention to the real polling data and trying to get back on track. it's just that the Romney campaign seems so....unfocused and off track that I find it difficult to see how they plan on winning against Obama. I guess I expected a better run organization. tight ship, well organized, on message...that sort of thing. instead they're having money problems and stumbling from mistake to mistake and doing damage control more than they're doing their main job of actually running a campaign.


I think the one thing that Romney still isn't getting about the election is that it's the little people that decide if he gets the job or not.

While he was at Bain, he just had to meet with the shareholders and say, "We're gonna cut, gut, and rut your company but we're all gonna make some money out of it. The little people will just have to deal with it." And as long as the shareholders were okay with it, he got the job. So with the election, he's just trying to keep his donors happy and thinks everything will work out for him, not realizing it's everyone else that's really deciding if he gets the job or not. Couple that with his micromanaging of the campaign and it makes it a lot harder for his team to do their actual jobs.
 
2012-09-22 11:05:48 AM

FeedTheCollapse: Weaver95: I guess I expected a better run organization. tight ship, well organized, on message...that sort of thing.

I always figured Romney would be the GOP nominee, but I always figured that his biggest hurdle would be that he's a relatively moderate candidate in an increasingly extremist party. I never figured his problems would mostly be of his own making or general incompetence.


yeah, I can see what you mean. Romney has caused most of his problems to date. the tax return thing, for example. completely avoidable - just release 10 years of returns and walk it off. everyone else did it, no problem. Romney tho...nope. he turned a relatively minor footnote into a huge gaping chasm of controversy for himself....then jumped right into that chasm after setting himself on fire AND shooting himself in BOTH feet for good measure. And that's not the ONLY thing he's done to himself. he's made a lot of statements that DO NOT play well with the general public. he's rambled around from topic to topic, being inconsistent with his policy positions, and generally wooden and emotionally flat for most of the trip.
 
2012-09-22 11:06:45 AM
Romney struggles during interviews because he is not used to interactions where he is not in complete control. He has never "not" been the boss. When he says he likes to fire people what he means is that he always has the final word, if you don't bend to his will you can simply be fired.

He is not comfortable at all in dealing in situations where he can be pressed for answers and his usual "because I said so" method of discussion doesn't work. 

I'm willing to bet he has no true friends, only people that purport to like him because of his money and influence. And by that measure he is an extremely unsuccessful human being.
 
2012-09-22 11:06:50 AM
But not everything I say is elegant So I guess now he is trying to mimic Bush the younger, sometimes I say the wrong thing just like you, and those elites in the media are beating me up for it. Stand with me my fellow Americans.

Mitt Romney Harvard Law degree, MBA should look into getting a refund.
 
2012-09-22 11:07:03 AM
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2012-09-22 11:07:11 AM

Weaver95: Romney: "Well, actually, we're tied in the polls. We're all within the margin of error. We bounce around -- week to week -- day to day. There are some days we're up. There are some days we're down. We go forward with my message, that this is a time to reinvigorate the American economy, not by expanding government and raising taxes on people, but instead by making sure government encourages entrepreneurship and innovation and gets the private sector hiring again."

I can't tell if he's clueless, lying or if someone on his campaign staff is lying to him. Romney isn't ahead at all, in fact he's been in a decline since the convention. which isn't irreversible or necessarily mean the end...but he's in a measurable decline. I mean he has to know that, right?


I'm still not convinced that Romney understands how the election process works. Whenever he's asked about how he's going to catch up to Obama in the polls, he just says that they're basically tied. He frequently states that all he has to do is convince 51% of the voters to vote for him. He does realize that there's an electoral college, right? And he's far from tied when you take that into account.
 
2012-09-22 11:09:02 AM
Mitt Romney: "Well, actually, we're tied in the polls. We're all within the margin of error. We bounce around -- week to week -- day to day."

No, Mitt. The only thing that "bounces around" is that Obama bounces around from barely squeaking by you to serving you your ass on a silver platter.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-22 11:09:24 AM
At this point, comparing him to clown shoes is an insult to clowns and shoes
 
2012-09-22 11:10:08 AM
I can't wait for the debates.
 
2012-09-22 11:10:15 AM

WI241TH:
I think the one thing that Romney still isn't getting about the election is that it's the little people that decide if he gets the job or not.

While he was at Bain, he just had to meet with the shareholders and say, "We're gonna cut, gut, and rut your company but we're all gonna make some money out of it. The little people will just have to deal with it." And as long as the shareholders were okay with it, he got the job. So with the election, he's just trying to keep his donors happy and thinks everything will work out for him, not realizing it's everyone else that's really deciding if he gets the job or not. Couple that with his micromanaging of the campaign and it makes it a lot harder for his team to do their actual jobs.


yeah, but I have trouble wrapping my head around the concept that Romney could be THAT clueless about how elections go. this isn't his first rodeo...he's done state level campaigns before. Granted, when you play at THIS level, everything you do is going to be under a microscope then magnified a billion times larger than life. so relatively innocent off hand comments could crop up to kick you in the nuts when you least expect it....that's just how it goes sometimes. Romney tho...he's got a LOT of those moments where his commentary runs out into traffic and gets run over by a truck.
 
2012-09-22 11:10:21 AM

FeedTheCollapse: Weaver95: I guess I expected a better run organization. tight ship, well organized, on message...that sort of thing.

I always figured Romney would be the GOP nominee, but I always figured that his biggest hurdle would be that he's a relatively moderate candidate in an increasingly extremist party. I never figured his problems would mostly be of his own making or general incompetence.


Romney isn't Moderate. He's just not terribly intellectually honest about simply saying and doing whatever folks want to hear. In Mass he did what was necessary to carry the state, and then saddled it with a lot of costs that future administrations would have to bear. This is the continuing pattern when Romney gets close to other peoples' money. He slides it to folks who support him. This, coupled with his constant shifts in policy, and refusal to even acknowledge his own radical policy shifts and internal hypocrisy, and you get someone I don't anywhere near public office...
 
2012-09-22 11:12:07 AM
There's no possible way that he really said that.

*click*

....


file.walagata.com
 
2012-09-22 11:12:50 AM

Demetrius: The fake tan he put on for the Univision interview is just awesome. One more application and he'll be doing blackface.


Lulz
 
2012-09-22 11:15:23 AM

FeedTheCollapse: Weaver95: I guess I expected a better run organization. tight ship, well organized, on message...that sort of thing.

I always figured Romney would be the GOP nominee, but I always figured that his biggest hurdle would be that he's a relatively moderate candidate in an increasingly extremist party. I never figured his problems would mostly be of his own making or general incompetence.


Nail, head etc. Prior to this election season I had a kind of "meh" reaction to Romney. Boring white business guy, seems pretty competent based on MA governor time and the Olympics, on the liberal side for the Republicans. Good chance to be the nominee based on a solid background, ability to tap wealth and low key "get the job done" vibe.

I figured he'd do a bit of pander to the hard right during the primary, cream the clown parade that was the rest of the Republican candidates, tack back to the center and run a solid if uninspiring campaign for president. The economy is still not in great shape so even if he's not as exciting as Obama he's got a good shot.

Instead, he's put on the clown shoes and run one of the most monumentally stupid campaigns I've ever seen. Obama's folks aren't having to do any work at all- Romney keeps handing them gifts they can run with for the entire campaign. I mean, the guy was upstaged by an elderly actor talking to a chair at his own convention. We've got the bobbing and weaving over tax returns, the constant eruption of social issues in what should be an economy focused debate, the smirk over a dead ambassador, the 47% comments- it just never ends.

The fact that this guy isn't losing 65-35 is a testament to two things- just how bad the economy actually is and just how black and Democrat the President is.
 
2012-09-22 11:15:45 AM

NeoCortex42:

I'm still not convinced that Romney understands how the election process works. Whenever he's asked about how he's going to catch up to Obama in the polls, he just says that they're basically tied. He frequently states that all he has to do is convince 51% of the voters to vote for him. He does realize that there's an electoral college, right? And he's far from tied when you take that into account.


Romney *could* just be playing a tactical game though. He might actually be very much aware of his positioning and how weak he is, but doesn't want to admit that in public because well...that's never a good tactical move. So I could see my way to giving him a pass on that one. that said...yeah, taken in context with the many OTHER boneheaded things Romney has said to date, he really MIGHT be completely clueless about how this whole 'election' thing works.
 
2012-09-22 11:17:30 AM
You bill yourself as a turnaround artist.

When it comes to policy positions, this is certainly true.
 
2012-09-22 11:17:37 AM
This campaign has turned into a 'tard fight for the GOP.

/ I didn't see that article linked on Fark, did I just miss it?
// It'd have made a great discussion
// Did I just miss it?
 
2012-09-22 11:18:24 AM
If he seriously believes he's statistically tied in the polls, the Romney campaign's in even worse shape than I thought. The first step is admitting he has a problem, and he's not there yet.
 
2012-09-22 11:18:39 AM

Weaver95: NeoCortex42:

I'm still not convinced that Romney understands how the election process works. Whenever he's asked about how he's going to catch up to Obama in the polls, he just says that they're basically tied. He frequently states that all he has to do is convince 51% of the voters to vote for him. He does realize that there's an electoral college, right? And he's far from tied when you take that into account.

Romney *could* just be playing a tactical game though. He might actually be very much aware of his positioning and how weak he is, but doesn't want to admit that in public because well...that's never a good tactical move. So I could see my way to giving him a pass on that one. that said...yeah, taken in context with the many OTHER boneheaded things Romney has said to date, he really MIGHT be completely clueless about how this whole 'election' thing works.


It's true that he probably wants to emphasize that the popular vote polls aren't that far apart, but it still gets me every time he says that he only needs 51%. The media seems to also be doing this to emphasize the horse race. Most news outlets seem to only report nationwide polls and ignore the probably electoral totals.
 
2012-09-22 11:18:50 AM
Romney aides had said earlier in the week that the campaign was undergoing a "reboot,"

This whole "Romneybot" meme IS a joke, right?

He's not the twelfth Cylon model they surreptitiously wrote out of the show?
 
2012-09-22 11:19:18 AM

Weaver95: Romney tho...he's got a LOT of those moments where his commentary runs out into traffic and gets run over by a truck.


This made me giggle. Thanks!

/Romney is really bad at campaigning
//Also bad at choosing competent people and advisers to surround himself with
///So vote GOP!
 
2012-09-22 11:20:36 AM

NewportBarGuy: It's funny to watch rich people with hubris act like they know what the f*ck they are talking about simply because they have accumulated wealth. Adorable. Well, only because he's losing. If he were winning I'd be doing a perpetual *head-desk*.

Shine on you crazy bastard. Enjoy your vacation after you lose.


I'm imagining him sitting by the paddock at dawn, watching his dancing horse, while he crosses is arms and scowls.

/I also imagined a butler brining him a coffee, then I said "oh, yeah..."
 
2012-09-22 11:21:11 AM
When/if Mitt loses does he run again in 4 years, because I see a man that if he loses won't decide that he is the wrong man for the job, he will think that he just didn't present himself correctly to the voters. Or does he annoint one of his sons as his heir.

Bet Mitt blames the following people for his loss, Ryan, his staff, the media, The republicans who say anything negative about him etc.
 
2012-09-22 11:23:45 AM
The more I see and hear from Republicans in general and Mitt in particular, the more I believe the theory in advanced physics that there are multiple realities and somehow in the 1980s the GOP veered off and away from the one that about 70 percent of Americans live in.

It's like the Talking Heads somehow gained mind control over conservatives with "Stop Making Sense" in 1984.
 
2012-09-22 11:24:28 AM

spongeboob: When/if Mitt loses does he run again in 4 years, because I see a man that if he loses won't decide that he is the wrong man for the job, he will think that he just didn't present himself correctly to the voters. Or does he annoint one of his sons as his heir.

Bet Mitt blames the following people for his loss, Ryan, his staff, the media, The republicans who say anything negative about him etc.


I highly doubt that. First of all, he'll be 69. That's just too damned old. Secondly, Ann Romney, supposedly, didn't want to go through another campaign after 2008 and Mitt didn't even win the nomination then. I can't imagine she'd go back AGAIN for another run. Finally, he'd have zero shot at that point. Christie would probably run, maybe even Ryan... conservatives won't nominate him again and he'll know that.
 
2012-09-22 11:24:55 AM

NeoCortex42:
It's true that he probably wants to emphasize that the popular vote polls aren't that far apart, but it still gets me every time he says that he only needs 51%. The media seems to also be doing this to emphasize the horse race. Most news outlets seem to only report nationwide polls and ignore the probably electoral totals.


well...as an aside, if you win by a razor thin margin, you of course claim that you won by a landslide and that you've got the Mandate of Heaven/will of the gods on your side. now, both sides do this...but the GOP tends to go on a self destructive binge after winning by a paper thin lead. so again, it's kinda/sorta understandable that Romney would believe that all he has to do is win by a thin margin and that would give him the right to loot, pillage and despoil at will. winner takes all, is our mantra these days.
 
2012-09-22 11:25:13 AM

spongeboob: When/if Mitt loses does he run again in 4 years, because I see a man that if he loses won't decide that he is the wrong man for the job, he will think that he just didn't present himself correctly to the voters. Or does he annoint one of his sons as his heir.

Bet Mitt blames the following people for his loss, Ryan, his staff, the media, The republicans who say anything negative about him etc.


I wonder how someone like Mitt would take to being upstaged by his own son. I don't think that's a real concern, however; I have a feeling the mold of the good-hair, ken-doll, plastic politician of the 50's is on the opposite end of where the pendulum is swinging for now.
 
2012-09-22 11:26:48 AM

Weaver95: Romney: "Well, actually, we're tied in the polls. We're all within the margin of error. We bounce around -- week to week -- day to day. There are some days we're up. There are some days we're down. We go forward with my message, that this is a time to reinvigorate the American economy, not by expanding government and raising taxes on people, but instead by making sure government encourages entrepreneurship and innovation and gets the private sector hiring again."

I can't tell if he's clueless, lying or if someone on his campaign staff is lying to him. Romney isn't ahead at all, in fact he's been in a decline since the convention. which isn't irreversible or necessarily mean the end...but he's in a measurable decline. I mean he has to know that, right?


Well, I'm assuming when they said they weren't going to be dictated by fact checkers, they included pollsters in that list as well
 
2012-09-22 11:26:58 AM

MisterLoki: Sounds like it is time to re-install the OS.



Or maybe even flash the ROM.
 
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