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2012-09-22 06:49:52 AM  
(* clicks on link *)
Oh.
Never mind.
I was hoping it was Mitt and his wife.
 
2012-09-22 07:29:08 AM  
Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall
 
2012-09-22 07:35:48 AM  
Awkward. Romney would have only got 53% of their vote.
 
2012-09-22 07:37:55 AM  

No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy


Got your problem right there.
 
2012-09-22 07:43:09 AM  

Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.


Because industry can just govern itself? When has that ever worked and not caused an overall increase in misery for the majority of people?
 
2012-09-22 07:47:08 AM  
I'm not at all surprised this clown is a chiropractor. Based on the gaudy home and the "exotic" name of his probably mail-order bride (partner), I'm guessing this guy couldn't hack med school and has spent his entire life overcompensating.
 
2012-09-22 07:47:37 AM  
[summon tatsuma start]

Two Jews - one russian one one regular.

[ /end]
 
2012-09-22 07:47:47 AM  

CMetzger42: Because industry can just govern itself? When has that ever worked and not caused an overall increase in misery for the majority of people?


When has complete control of government by the elite few ever worked out well for the common man either? The point is that small government keeps order and stops abuses, but doesn't have enough power to stifle industry.
 
2012-09-22 07:50:18 AM  
Money apparently grows on trees. Who knew?
 
2012-09-22 07:50:22 AM  

No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall


Yes, I agree totally. If you make more than $50,000 a year, obviously your doing something illegal and/or unethical and every last one of your assets should be confinscated
 
2012-09-22 07:51:21 AM  

Heist: I'm not at all surprised this clown is a chiropractor. Based on the gaudy home and the "exotic" name of his probably mail-order bride (partner), I'm guessing this guy couldn't hack med school and has spent his entire life overcompensating.


Douchebags will be douchebags.
 
2012-09-22 07:55:50 AM  

Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.


Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)
 
2012-09-22 07:57:21 AM  
So, the taxpayer STILL has to pay for these bums?

Farking socialism.
 
2012-09-22 07:57:33 AM  
No government regs in Haiti and their doing awesome!
 
2012-09-22 07:57:56 AM  

tedbundee: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)


I don't think anybody has a problem with earning an honest buck. But $100,00 a year? That's a little much.
 
2012-09-22 07:59:21 AM  

tedbundee: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)


When was the last time Joe Average said, "Wow, I wish my 401k was lower!" ?
 
2012-09-22 08:00:00 AM  

Lordserb: When has complete control of government by the elite few ever worked out well for the common man either? The point is that small government keeps order and stops abuses, but doesn't have enough power to stifle industry.


When the definition of "stifling industry" includes things like making them pay fair wages and provide health care for their workers then the definition of "small government" necessarily becomes the same as "no government."
=Smidge=
 
2012-09-22 08:00:09 AM  

tedbundee: Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)


That still doesn't answer how the government is any better equpped to deal with it. Still, nobody is arguing for corporations having complete self-regulation as that clearly doesn't work. At the same time, the more the government gets involved with industry, the less profitable and less beneficial it becomes to the economy.
 
2012-09-22 08:00:16 AM  

CMetzger42: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Because industry can just govern itself? When has that ever worked and not caused an overall increase in misery for the majority of people?


Sounds like a member of the cult of Paul
 
2012-09-22 08:04:58 AM  

Smidge204: When the definition of "stifling industry" includes things like making them pay fair wages and provide health care for their workers then the definition of "small government" necessarily becomes the same as "no government."


It's a fine line, sure, but the last thing the economy needs right now is a more regulated industry.
 
2012-09-22 08:16:20 AM  

No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall


I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?
 
2012-09-22 08:18:27 AM  

tedbundee: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)


I think what he was going for is the government PROPERLY managing anything is a pipe dream.
 
2012-09-22 08:31:45 AM  
So are they 53% 47% 99% or 1%?



/can't figure it out wake and what don't care anyway
 
2012-09-22 08:34:42 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall

I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?


Have all the medical industry centeralized. Make doctors and such a government job.
 
2012-09-22 08:36:53 AM  
[ironic] and they are still living off the state's dollar.
 
2012-09-22 08:41:03 AM  

Lordserb: It's a fine line, sure, but the last thing the economy needs right now is a more regulated industry.


Name a specific industry regulation that you think is stifling.
=Smidge=
 
2012-09-22 08:43:51 AM  

Trance750: GrizzlyPouch: No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall

I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?

Have all the medical industry centeralized. Make doctors and such a government job.


Right. And I'm sure people will be lining up for 8 extra years of school when they could make the same amount of money with no education?
 
2012-09-22 08:48:39 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall

I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?


Because there are people who would enjoy being a brain surgeon, and would be a brain surgeon even if you didn't pay them. I saw the same thing in Engineering. It was a great field to be in. Before the world decided the Engineering was going to be the next great feet on desk, paycheck with an extra zero occupation.

Now there are people who have no interest in engineering with "Engineer" in their title hoping trying to cash in. See also: MBA.
 
2012-09-22 08:50:17 AM  
i can't get a job cause i have too many "gaps" in my resume. can i get on welfare??
 
2012-09-22 08:52:28 AM  

Trance750: tedbundee: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)

I don't think anybody has a problem with earning an honest buck. But $100,00 a year? That's a little much.


What exactly is "too much" about it? Too much how? Too much for whom?
 
2012-09-22 08:55:01 AM  
I don't blame people for taking advantage of stupid systems - I blame the people who are supposed to setup these systems.

The way social programs decide 'need' is RETARDED. And our government's official stance on marriage and other living arrangements are equally retarded.

When my fiancee and I were living in the US we had an annual household income of nearly 90k - living in an affordable suburb. We had a big house with a big yard, nice cars, and plenty of money for trips. My fiancee qualified for food stamps and every other social program you can imagine.

Fast forward a few years....my wife and I are living in a tiny apartment, saving every penny we can, no cars, no cable TV, pay-as-you-go cell phones...and my wife can't get enough student loans to pay her tuition and cost of living because *we* have too much. Now, I could own a 8.5 million dollar mansion and a 60k Ferrari and it wouldn't impact her ability to get student loans at all; but if I've spent the last 10 years saving my money and conservatively investing it - and ended up with a life-savings of 50k - it's too much. We're rich. We don't need support.
 
2012-09-22 08:55:45 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?


Believe it or not, most people are motivated by things other than just money. For some people, money provides very little motivation, or even discouragement.

Even if brain surgeons made the same a pizza delivery jobs, people who were skilled enough to become a brain surgeon would continue to try for it because you can help people, it is a challenge and it is prestigious.

It is the love of money that is the root of all evil. I wouldn't go as far as the person you were responding to, I have no problems with people making more money, but people who want more money than they can reasonably use are the kind of people that shouldn't get that much money (or power).
 
2012-09-22 08:57:48 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: GrizzlyPouch: No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall

I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?

Because there are people who would enjoy being a brain surgeon, and would be a brain surgeon even if you didn't pay them. I saw the same thing in Engineering. It was a great field to be in. Before the world decided the Engineering was going to be the next great feet on desk, paycheck with an extra zero occupation.

Now there are people who have no interest in engineering with "Engineer" in their title hoping trying to cash in. See also: MBA.


We already have a shortage of qualified workers in the STEM fields; I really don't see how removing the financial incentive is going to help that. True, there will always be people who will do it for the love of the job, but will there be enough of them?

I could see it being more likely if all education were totally free, in any field you wished to pursue, as long as you had an aptitude for it. But that would still represent a large investment of time.
 
2012-09-22 08:58:18 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: GrizzlyPouch: No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall

I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?

Because there are people who would enjoy being a brain surgeon, and would be a brain surgeon even if you didn't pay them. I saw the same thing in Engineering. It was a great field to be in. Before the world decided the Engineering was going to be the next great feet on desk, paycheck with an extra zero occupation.

Now there are people who have no interest in engineering with "Engineer" in their title hoping trying to cash in. See also: MBA.


Now that's a pretty decent point although I'm not sure I want my doc to be somebody who thought it was a cool thing to do. Not much accountability there

Also I realize people pick up garbage for less money already, but how do you decide who gets that job? Don't see many volunteers for that either
 
2012-09-22 08:58:30 AM  

CMetzger42: Because industry can just govern itself?


Last I checked, government can't even govern itself. Do a Wiki on "national debt" if you don't believe me.
 
2012-09-22 09:07:04 AM  

bmihura: CMetzger42: Because industry can just govern itself?

Last I checked, government can't even govern itself. Do a Wiki on "national debt" if you don't believe me.


We have votes. We're supposed to govern government.

I don't have a vote in any business, church, charity dynastic oligarchy.

And you have a HECK of a lot of influence in government if you want : You can run for nearly any office once you're over 36.

If you think the government sucks - you can join it and change it.

IF you are being oppressed by a tyrannical oligarchy, a domineering church or a Corporate concession, good luck. MAYBE you can get hired and work your way up slowly.

In America - you can run for office, and in just running for office you can change the way thousands or millions of people think about something as simple as sewage or garbage collection or potholes. You can make a difference in the regular lives of ordinary people.

By convincing people that 'you can spend your money better than some far-off bureaucrat ' the right has started to destroy the option that many people have in life to change government by joining it. Only by being chosen by their corporate, ecclesiastical or oligarchical machines can you 'afford' to run for something as simple as dog catcher.

Once the doors to getting on the ballots are closed (and the ability of people to cast their ballots) local governance becomes the servant of those interests.
 
2012-09-22 09:13:52 AM  

No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall


The point, it flew 10000 feet over your head. These people were card carrying Democrats, no doubt, spending your money. They became wealthy on Obama dollars.
 
2012-09-22 09:14:07 AM  

ScottRiqui: Evil Twin Skippy: GrizzlyPouch: No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.

/why yes, I am voting Democrat this fall

I'm guessing you're trolling but here's the problem with your utopia

How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?

Because there are people who would enjoy being a brain surgeon, and would be a brain surgeon even if you didn't pay them. I saw the same thing in Engineering. It was a great field to be in. Before the world decided the Engineering was going to be the next great feet on desk, paycheck with an extra zero occupation.

Now there are people who have no interest in engineering with "Engineer" in their title hoping trying to cash in. See also: MBA.

We already have a shortage of qualified workers in the STEM fields; I really don't see how removing the financial incentive is going to help that. True, there will always be people who will do it for the love of the job, but will there be enough of them?

I could see it being more likely if all education were totally free, in any field you wished to pursue, as long as you had an aptitude for it. But that would still represent a large investment of time.


I know a lot of people who enjoy writing software and would do it with or without the financial incentive.

But I don't know a single person who said, 'Gee - I want to write boring CRUD business applications'. The majority of work done by software developers is boring business applications. It's not exactly exciting stuff. I don't know anyone who really set out to do that. It's just more accessible than the cool stuff for the vast, vast, vast majority of us.
 
2012-09-22 09:14:28 AM  
Please name one industry stifling regulation that the removal of wouldn't hurt the general public/welfare.

/the rivers caught fire.
//did the math - cost to feed everyone in the us 3 servings of rice a day, per year, is just about 1% of the defense budget.
 
2012-09-22 09:16:11 AM  

wrs1864: GrizzlyPouch: How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?

Believe it or not, most people are motivated by things other than just money. For some people, money provides very little motivation, or even discouragement.

Even if brain surgeons made the same a pizza delivery jobs, people who were skilled enough to become a brain surgeon would continue to try for it because you can help people, it is a challenge and it is prestigious.

It is the love of money that is the root of all evil. I wouldn't go as far as the person you were responding to, I have no problems with people making more money, but people who want more money than they can reasonably use are the kind of people that shouldn't get that much money (or power).


This is exactly what communists in Russia said in 1920. Check it out.
 
2012-09-22 09:21:12 AM  

T.M.S.: Trance750: tedbundee: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)

I don't think anybody has a problem with earning an honest buck. But $100,00 a year? That's a little much.

What exactly is "too much" about it? Too much how? Too much for whom?


You can live very comfortable on 35-40K a year.
 
2012-09-22 09:25:43 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Now that's a pretty decent point although I'm not sure I want my doc to be somebody who thought it was a cool thing to do. Not much accountability there

You filter out people who want to become brain surgeons just because it is "cool" the same way you filter out people who want to become brain surgeons just because they make a lot of money.

And, again, I don't have a problem with brain surgeons making a lot of money, because you can easily prove they are doing something productive. Chiropractors, such as the guy in the article, however, appear to be much more skilled in getting money from idiots than doing anything productive. (The same goes for aroma therapy, homeopathy, feng shui, etc...)
 
2012-09-22 09:27:05 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people who enjoy writing software and would do it with or without the financial incentive.

But I don't know a single person who said, 'Gee - I want to write boring CRUD business applications'. The majority of work done by software developers is boring business applications. It's not exactly exciting stuff. I don't know anyone who really set out to do that. It's just more accessible than the cool stuff for the vast, vast, vast majority of us.


Exactly - there's boring "drudge" work that needs to be done, even in fields that require highly skilled and educated workers. But make it lucrative enough, and people will do it. If they're so inclined, they can still pursue their passion as a hobby or a part-time job. But if you artificially force a "regression toward the mean" in salary/benefits, then who's going to want to maintain all those old COBOL mainframe applications, or write the boring cookie-cutter business contracts?
 
2012-09-22 09:32:00 AM  

ScottRiqui: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people who enjoy writing software and would do it with or without the financial incentive.

But I don't know a single person who said, 'Gee - I want to write boring CRUD business applications'. The majority of work done by software developers is boring business applications. It's not exactly exciting stuff. I don't know anyone who really set out to do that. It's just more accessible than the cool stuff for the vast, vast, vast majority of us.

Exactly - there's boring "drudge" work that needs to be done, even in fields that require highly skilled and educated workers. But make it lucrative enough, and people will do it. If they're so inclined, they can still pursue their passion as a hobby or a part-time job. But if you artificially force a "regression toward the mean" in salary/benefits, then who's going to want to maintain all those old COBOL mainframe applications, or write the boring cookie-cutter business contracts?


Perhaps, maybe, the problem lies not the desire to do the task, but the task itself.
 
2012-09-22 09:35:33 AM  

No Such Agency: Now just do the same to everyone else in this country with more money than they could possibly need, and things might just start to get better. With proper government management of industry and the economy, nobody would need more than $60,000 a year in family income, and there'd be enough money freed up that everyone could have that.


Ended it with a preposition? Retard.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-09-22 09:38:39 AM  

Animatronik: wrs1864: GrizzlyPouch: How are you gonna motivate people to become brain surgeons when they could make the same wage delivering pizza?

Believe it or not, most people are motivated by things other than just money. For some people, money provides very little motivation, or even discouragement.

Even if brain surgeons made the same a pizza delivery jobs, people who were skilled enough to become a brain surgeon would continue to try for it because you can help people, it is a challenge and it is prestigious.

It is the love of money that is the root of all evil. I wouldn't go as far as the person you were responding to, I have no problems with people making more money, but people who want more money than they can reasonably use are the kind of people that shouldn't get that much money (or power).

This is exactly what communists in Russia said in 1920. Check it out.


Russia in the 1920s was a semi settled cuspal-industrial empire, with very little national infrastructure and a centuries long legacy of top down autocrwtic management.

Worker and farmer efficiency was one of the worst in Europe - partially by design of their enemies to keep the Rus' weak during the aforementioned centuries. It didn't work in the long run and just alienated them from the rest of the western world.

Marx would have been aghast at he communist revolution in Russia. Communism presumes a surplus - and an fairly large one at that. Russian industry, such as it was, barely broke even.

You cannot compare how communism was adopted and evolved in 1920s Russia to how it may play out in the us. Too many changes in background, means, methods, culture, history, and technology.
 
2012-09-22 09:39:06 AM  
Trust me, this was the Russian chick's idea. Mr Pussy Whipped was just along for the ride.
 
2012-09-22 09:40:02 AM  

Summercat: ScottRiqui: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people who enjoy writing software and would do it with or without the financial incentive.

But I don't know a single person who said, 'Gee - I want to write boring CRUD business applications'. The majority of work done by software developers is boring business applications. It's not exactly exciting stuff. I don't know anyone who really set out to do that. It's just more accessible than the cool stuff for the vast, vast, vast majority of us.

Exactly - there's boring "drudge" work that needs to be done, even in fields that require highly skilled and educated workers. But make it lucrative enough, and people will do it. If they're so inclined, they can still pursue their passion as a hobby or a part-time job. But if you artificially force a "regression toward the mean" in salary/benefits, then who's going to want to maintain all those old COBOL mainframe applications, or write the boring cookie-cutter business contracts?

Perhaps, maybe, the problem lies not the desire to do the task, but the task itself.


There's no doubt that if you could figure out a way to make all the boring, repetitive scut work disappear, leaving people free to do the "cool stuff", you'd completely transform the modern workforce and would be hailed as the hero of our age. I don't see it happening, though.
 
2012-09-22 09:44:15 AM  

ScottRiqui: Summercat: ScottRiqui: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people who enjoy writing software and would do it with or without the financial incentive.

But I don't know a single person who said, 'Gee - I want to write boring CRUD business applications'. The majority of work done by software developers is boring business applications. It's not exactly exciting stuff. I don't know anyone who really set out to do that. It's just more accessible than the cool stuff for the vast, vast, vast majority of us.

Exactly - there's boring "drudge" work that needs to be done, even in fields that require highly skilled and educated workers. But make it lucrative enough, and people will do it. If they're so inclined, they can still pursue their passion as a hobby or a part-time job. But if you artificially force a "regression toward the mean" in salary/benefits, then who's going to want to maintain all those old COBOL mainframe applications, or write the boring cookie-cutter business contracts?

Perhaps, maybe, the problem lies not the desire to do the task, but the task itself.

There's no doubt that if you could figure out a way to make all the boring, repetitive scut work disappear, leaving people free to do the "cool stuff", you'd completely transform the modern workforce and would be hailed as the hero of our age. I don't see it happening, though.


Well, why do we have these boring cookie cutter contracts that require a full time person to work on? Why do these COBOL databases require so much work and? upkeep

And whtnis my phone keyboard being so depry right now
 
2012-09-22 09:50:01 AM  

Trance750: T.M.S.: Trance750: tedbundee: Lordserb: No Such Agency: With proper government management of industry and the economy

Got your problem right there.

Yeah, maybe we should let corporations regulate themselves. It's not like they have investors who want profits (or laws that demand it)

I don't think anybody has a problem with earning an honest buck. But $100,00 a year? That's a little much.

What exactly is "too much" about it? Too much how? Too much for whom?

You can live very comfortable on 35-40K a year.


How do you know I could do that?
 
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