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2012-09-21 10:19:06 PM  
9 votes:
Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.
2012-09-22 02:47:31 AM  
7 votes:

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


As usual conservatives mistake informed decisions backed up with facts for left wing bias
2012-09-22 12:53:12 AM  
6 votes:
The Koppel Kiss...of death?

That last part of the clip was wonderful. You just see Ted sitting there treating O'Reilly like the child that he is. Not condescending, just a wise grandfather kindly smirking at a foolish boy's childish behavior.
2012-09-21 10:38:36 PM  
6 votes:
Remember when there was a concerted effort to separate editorial and news, that it was ostensibly the most important aspect of journalism to avoid an agenda setting function? Fark those were good times
2012-09-21 10:17:26 PM  
6 votes:
That last second is seriously OH SNAP territory.
2012-09-22 02:01:14 AM  
5 votes:
As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.
2012-09-22 01:56:40 AM  
5 votes:
I've always thought progressive people could take a play out of the Teahadists playbook to really hurt companies like Fox. Every so often FCC licenses come up for renewal, and every complaint against every broadcaster is reviewed. Part of their option to lease the spectrum they use at a discount rate was their agreement to use that spectrum on loss leading enterprises in futhering the public trust by informing them. A letter writing campaign against local news affiliates for poor or deceptive news programming, or in the case of Fox affiliates for buying news from their parent company which went to the supreme court to defend their right to outright lie on the news might be effective in increasing their costs, reduce their access to credit, and retard media consolidation.
2012-09-22 02:28:41 AM  
4 votes:

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


And you actually believe you're not a complete and total ass? I know, it's amazing, isn't it?!
2012-09-21 11:58:21 PM  
4 votes:
Like a boss. Thank you Mr. Koppel.
2012-09-21 10:11:33 PM  
4 votes:
"But I still think I'm dong something noble"

That's called a delusion Bill.
2012-09-21 10:06:33 PM  
4 votes:
Ted Koppel is that rare breed of journalist that still believes in reporting facts. Ed Murrow would be proud.
2012-09-22 08:52:35 AM  
3 votes:

Malivon: mjg: Malivon: So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?

Treat yourself and check out CBC's The National. Peter Mansbridge and Neil Macdonald (yeah, Norm Macdonald's older brother. Too funny!)

Very balanced news on the US and international topics. Neil is a bit more blistering but his writing is spot-on.

/American Farker here

I'll give it a read - I keep up with a few international news sources to avoid the US media bias*.

*wagarrbl if you will, but I sincerely believe that all US based news outlets have some bias that favors one side of the aisle or the other a bit more than it should


I'd concur with The National on CBC, but also some of the actual news on CBC Newsworld is well reported. I'd recommend a show called "Power & Politics", but it usually focuses on Canadian stuff, but it's a good show to watch just for how they really hammer their guests.

I watch a fair amount of news, and the CBC (and the BBC sometimes) is one of the only TV news sources I know of that actually questions the veracity of politicians' soundbite statements. A lot of "Well, to be fair, when you say it's 16%, it's actually 19%. Isn't that right? Isn't that right?".

They sometimes interview that occasional guest on CNN, Roland Martin, and he always genuinely seems deliriously happy to be answering real questions with some meat on them.

/I assume because they're federally funded and the only real Canadian news institution, they try to be not only impartial, but smart. And every single Canadian administration has hated them, so that's always a good sign that they sometimes speak truth to power
//the current Junior Republicans are gutting them by slashing funds
2012-09-22 08:10:26 AM  
3 votes:
To these people, "liberal media" is anything that is not a 100% 24/7 right-wing echo chamber. You could have a station that spends 23 hours 59 minutes on guns, God, bootstrappiness, American flags, evil brown people, and lamenting about how Democrats are destroying the country, but as soon as they use that remaining one minute to say something like, "but you know, raising taxes on the rich would help control the deficit", its target audience would immediately scream "BAWWWWW, LIBERAL CLAPTRAP" and go find something that never challenges their ideology EVER.
2012-09-22 02:02:59 AM  
3 votes:

Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.


It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.
2012-09-22 01:33:20 AM  
3 votes:

Debby7813: Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.

THIS. A thousand times THIS! And I think I'm in love...with Ted Koppel.

///NOW I feel freakin' old.... :-(


THIS is what I ranted at the TV while watching "The Newsroom"
For the love of god, I would watch THAT news program nightly. And if not nightly, certainly 2-5 times a week.
No more lost little white girls. No more celebrity news. No more kittens stuck in trees. No more hawking for ratings. Just the news.

I guess the closest thing is NPR news
2012-09-22 12:55:27 AM  
3 votes:
Hyperpartisanship sucks.

It does.
2012-09-21 11:00:49 PM  
3 votes:
Ratings are not an indicator of integrity, Bill.

And nice job admitting you're a business giving your followers the pablum they pay you for.

/go capitalism
2012-09-22 02:10:42 PM  
2 votes:

mr.Curmudgeon: What? No Ted Koppel animated .gif kiss yet?

/Fark's slippin'


Thy will be done.
2012-09-22 10:41:30 AM  
2 votes:

fenianfark: PBS NewsHour

Bolded and 'imbiggened' for emphasis. That right there is what a news show should look like.


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2012-09-22 10:24:10 AM  
2 votes:

buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?


They also have to help the viewer determine the truth. Not an opinion per se but when the politicians lay down bullshiat, they have to call them on it.
2012-09-22 10:12:43 AM  
2 votes:
Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?
2012-09-22 09:27:39 AM  
2 votes:

Animatronik: With one party, the Democrats, utterly refusing to acknowledge the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.


so how do you feel about the 4 trillion in spending cuts that the GOP walked away from so they could keep their tax cuts for the rich?

how do you feel about the sudden fiscal responsibility the GOP found on jan 20th 2009? hell they spent like drunken sailors for 8 years before that.

how do you feel about the GOP keeping all their big ticket items out of the budget while the Dems make sure everything they propose is paid for and included in the budget?
2012-09-22 09:11:11 AM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it.


You're right. Fox is on a much higher plane of propaganda. Fox is what soviet-era Pravda wishes it could have been. Fox is the kind of instrument for spreading demonstrable lies and falsehoods that Lord Haw-Haw had wet dreams about.

Also, nobody likes you.
2012-09-22 08:08:56 AM  
2 votes:
I really miss Peter Jennings.
2012-09-22 08:01:50 AM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.



You're right! Two wrongs do make a right. Bias balances. Everyone on Fark is a shill for the left-wing ideodrome. It's madness, they don't even know it. Lost sheeple! You know the only person who's right about anything? Randomjsa, the most brilliant man/woman/cat in Farkland. We bow before your trenchant analysis and wit. Who needs career journalists like Ted Koppel when Randomjsa is here to tell us that his 50 years in the business was spent shilling for the communist/stalinist/fascist guy who's been in the White House for the past four years? You, sir, are clearly ahead of your time. Perhaps you have a time machine in your basement. You clearly see the long tail, the larger plan. You, sir, are a giant among lilliputians, and I salute you with my left hand, and blow you a kiss.
2012-09-22 05:19:56 AM  
2 votes:

namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.


I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV
2012-09-22 03:53:53 AM  
2 votes:

impaler: those with talent were guaranteed


FYI, I mean talent with computers. If I was born 5 year earlier, my net worth could easily be $100,000 more at this point in my career. If I was born 100 year earlier, I would be rightly farked.

That's something a lot of "successful" people don't get. They aren't better off because they're better people, they're better off because the talents they happen to have happen to be in demand at this point in history.
mjg
2012-09-22 03:13:30 AM  
2 votes:

Malivon: So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?


Treat yourself and check out CBC's The National. Peter Mansbridge and Neil Macdonald (yeah, Norm Macdonald's older brother. Too funny!)

Very balanced news on the US and international topics. Neil is a bit more blistering but his writing is spot-on.

/American Farker here
mjg
2012-09-22 03:07:06 AM  
2 votes:
Ted made O'Reilly look like the 1st year pre-journalism undergrad that he is.

/boom
//headshot
2012-09-22 02:30:24 AM  
2 votes:
".. and once upon a time you and I actually thought journalism was a calling"

When I was younger, in high school and such, I thought I wanted to go into the news industry. Even went to college for it and spent several years studying and working hard to try and attain this goal.

However, once I got a real look at how the news industry was changing around the turn of the century, I realized that it wasn't about gathering facts and reporting on things that were actually newsworthy, rather than pushing some sort of agenda or message or simply ratings. It was a complete rat race. Whoever had the better story or the better package got the better block in the news.

If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.

I grew up listening to Koppel, Brokaw, and the like for national news. They reported on things that mattered. I'm not saying that there weren't news scandals such as faked reports of vehicles exploding, which were actually unsafe, but at least they would come back and admit they farked up.

I have a lot of friends still in the news industry who don't mind running the rat race, but I know that they aren't happy, but they didn't have another field to go to like I did.
2012-09-22 02:19:41 AM  
2 votes:
Ted Koppel has partisan pundits like BillO turn up in his morning stool.

Which, frankly, is more attention than partisan pundits such as BillO deserve...
2012-09-22 02:18:21 AM  
2 votes:
Koppel steered that interview like a pro and got the last laugh. Well done, sir.
2012-09-22 02:10:30 AM  
2 votes:
Don't remember the exact quote, but Bill says something about how they could peddle an inferior product for so long.

Ever hear of opium? Stuff excites the pleasure neurons in your brain and you want to repeat the experience, again and again ad infinitum.

Lo and behold, you do this too many times and then you HAVE to do it just to maintain equilibrium.
Try to stop and you are in a world of hurt.
Think FAUX SNOOZE is like this for a lot of people...and since the product they provide isn't a 'real' substance and perfectly legal their audience sees no reason to discontinue dosing themselves with it.
2012-09-22 02:09:45 AM  
2 votes:
"But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.
2012-09-22 02:00:35 AM  
2 votes:

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


Define: Left wing
2012-09-22 01:50:26 AM  
2 votes:
So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.
2012-09-22 12:18:12 AM  
2 votes:
Damn, Ted Koppel rocks. You really do need to spend the time watching it to get the full effect of the punchline.

It's awesome.
2012-09-22 07:42:41 PM  
1 vote:

Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV


*Internet fist bump*

I love that, thank you!
2012-09-22 05:58:59 PM  
1 vote:
The news died for me the night Walter Cronkite retired.
2012-09-22 02:54:31 PM  
1 vote:

Hamilstan: buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?

Impossible, unless said anchor only provides a transcript of the president's speech. Otherwise, the anchor (or a producer) must decide which parts to report, which parts to leave out, which part of the story to lead with, etc. That means exercising judgment. And that cannot be done impartially.

The whole notion of "impartial" reporting of news is a fallacy, a pipe-dream. Just deciding which stories to cover, or even which words to use, inserts the reporter's judgment into the story.


Just to pile on...what buntz describes isn't journalism, it's stenography. It is absolutely and historically the journalist's job to provide context for what's happening (the "why" part of the job). That can be done with varying degrees of bias, naturally, and a good journalist keeps their biases under control as best they can.

Think of it this way: the raw news (what, where, when, who, how) is merely data. The "why" part, or basic context and analysis, turns the data into information. That's what the press is supposed to supply. It's up to the viewer to integrate that info into their world concept so that they can make informed decisions, but the viewer can't do their part if they're only given raw materials. It would be silly to ask them to, just like it would be silly if I bought a couch and the furniture store shipped me 200 pounds of wood, metal, cloth, and dacron.
2012-09-22 12:20:05 PM  
1 vote:

theknuckler_33: lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?

Mythical insertion? Really?

Link

Yes. Really. If you don't know the difference between a plausible, well-considered and doument-supported theory and an outright lying (though sorta humorous) troll, then you need to go back to Fark nursery school to learn your Fark ABCs.

Writing a book that collects 'evidence' to support a straw man isn't a theory. It is farking stupid. It was nothing more than a tired rehashing of all the right-wing nonsense from 2008 and only emphasizes that the right-wing has NOTHING to run on 4 years later.

No. You're stupid for dismissing it outright and for incorrectly believing that there are no other issues (extremely important issues, BTW, that are indicative of gross deficiencies in Obama's performance) at play in this election.

Perhaps that is what they should have made a film about then, instead of 90 minutes of Ayers, Wright, anti-colonialism, rejection of 'american exceptionalism' and every other putrid bit of rhetorical nonsense that we heard nonstop 4 years ago. Or perhaps a film about Romney's campaign and his platform and policy positions and how they differ from Obama and why they are better. Of course that's impossible since Romney's policies are either exactly the same as Obama's or, when they are different, completely undefined. But no, instead you get pseudo-psychological 'theories' about how Obama's absentee father somehow was a great influence on the strawman that Obama hates America.


You know, Danny that this will go on...forever..and ever....and ever.....

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2012-09-22 11:17:07 AM  
1 vote:

Vodka Zombie: I genuinely feel bad for anyone with even one ounce of journalistic integrity who goes on Fox News. It's got to be a very strange world, and all they do is hump their ratings as though that gives them some sort of legitimacy.

Fiction sells very well, and Fox makes a killing off of telling people what they want to hear as opposed to what they should or need to hear.

"Hard news" my ass, Billy. There is no such thing in an echo chamber.


I suspect the Fox News room is run "bullpen" style a lot like that old gossip show TMZ.

"Obama farted in Church on Sunday."

"Lets run with as the top story. Get reactions from this fellow parishioners. If they are pro-Obama, distort their faces and edit the clip to make them appear to be idiots."

"On it, boss."
2012-09-22 11:03:33 AM  
1 vote:

animal color: If you have to go back to the Spanish-American War to find your example, you might want to look for another one.


The point was that Fox-style journalism isn't breaking some eternal news ethic, or going against some founding ideal of America. It's poisonous bullshart, but it isn't original.
- Hearst wasn't that long ago for some people.
2012-09-22 10:39:27 AM  
1 vote:

acad1228: S Gilmore L: "Smooch". Perfect, Mr. Koppel, nicely played.

Oh, please! That has to be one of the most childish things I've ever seen a grown man do.


And it really is just about the only conceivable response to something as outrageously absurd as "I still think I'm doing something noble." When a lunatic insists that God is talking to him via a dead squirrel with the voice of Alec Guinness, you smile and walk away. You don't try to show him why he's wrong.
2012-09-22 10:26:24 AM  
1 vote:
His airkiss needs to be made into an anigif.

IMMEDIATELY.
2012-09-22 10:19:15 AM  
1 vote:

buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?


Indeed. Right-wingers view their interpretation of events as 'news'. When that 'news' is not reported by other sources, those other sources are librul media. For example, conflicting statements from various sources in the chaotic hours after separate attacks on the embassy in Cairo and consulate in Libya = foreign policy in ruins for right wingers. When Obama's foreign policy is not reported as a complete and utter failure by other media outlets, those media outlets are 'suppressing the news' and 'covering for Obama'. The fact that "foreign policy in ruins or a complete failure" is an opinion is lost on right-wingers.
2012-09-22 10:17:08 AM  
1 vote:

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.


I'm not sure if you should talk to a doctor or an English teacher.
2012-09-22 10:05:59 AM  
1 vote:

Malivon: NPR/BBC World hourly updates typically satiate my news cravings, but is there someone who I should listen to for the news*?


Yes, you should take in more than only a couple or three news sources. I also listen to NPR News and BBC World Service, but I also take in other sources as I can, and as I consider them worth my time. One of them might surprise you. I conducted an experiment a few years ago in which I determined that Fark is as good an all-around news source as NPR News, by NPR's own standard. (Specifically, I rated how well I performed against panel contestants on "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," which is based on NPR News. Fark outperformed NPR News three weeks running, and I saw no point in testing it further.) To get this benefit, though, you need to read an awful lot of Fark on a daily basis, and that can be time-consuming. You also need to read more than two or three tabs; yes, including teh Politics tab. (And by the way, this was when the Music tab was still here. Just saying.)
2012-09-22 09:51:55 AM  
1 vote:

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.

I loved all those old guys, but Uncle Kronk was my touchstone on reality when I was a kid. He had what today would be considered a pathalogical habit in mainstream news, of personally researching the stuff he reported on.


He was on his way out and I remember the kerfuffle over Rather and Mudd. Still all solid guys determined to report the truth no matter where it led.
2012-09-22 09:42:57 AM  
1 vote:

Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.


O'Reilly's a special case, so I don't think your very reasoned case applies to him. Bill's a victim of child abuse, and his adult and professional life is a sad and sometimes disturbing display of a man trying daily to exorcise demons that will not stop haunting him. It's got almost nothing to do with politics.
2012-09-22 09:33:43 AM  
1 vote:

farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.


Where I find it creepier is in places like hospitals, where it comes across more as push programming, because it's not like people are choosing to go to the hospital or thta particular hospital. (Yes, you're not mistaken: That is indeed the foundation of an FCC content argument.) When I was doing follow-up after a hospital stay, one of the places I'd have to sit and wait sometimes ran Fox News all the time in the waiting area. At the time, the man who ran the company that owned that facility was the highest paid health care executive in New England, while his employees faced hiring freezes, pay freezes, and mandatory overtime. The TV had a sign on it saying not to touch it or change the channel. But I'd built a small remote that ran 144 TV 'off' codes in sequence. I did not touch the TV or change the channel.
2012-09-22 09:27:35 AM  
1 vote:

Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.


I loved all those old guys, but Uncle Kronk was my touchstone on reality when I was a kid. He had what today would be considered a pathalogical habit in mainstream news, of personally researching the stuff he reported on.
2012-09-22 09:25:30 AM  
1 vote:

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


In related news, objective journalism is a left wing agenda.

You know that joke about how reality has a liberal bias? It's not a joke.
2012-09-22 09:25:23 AM  
1 vote:
I farking love it! I so Miss Koppel
2012-09-22 09:19:59 AM  
1 vote:
I think it's great that MSNBC is now pulling in ratings equal to or exceeding Fox now. Maddow is giving Hannity a run for his money. Sometimes beating his ratings.
2012-09-22 09:05:11 AM  
1 vote:

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts

Harry_Seldon: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power.
Feel free to post a link to the last hard interview the left did with Obama.


I will after you post any interview that MSNBC did with Bush.

oh that's right. He and Cheney wouldn't do interview with them. And yet Obama has been on Fox and talked to Bill,Chris and Bret
2012-09-22 09:04:29 AM  
1 vote:

namatad: No more lost little white girls. No more celebrity news. No more kittens stuck in trees. No more hawking for ratings. Just the news.

I guess the closest thing is NPR news



PBS NewsHour

Bolded and 'imbiggened' for emphasis. That right there is what a news show should look like.
2012-09-22 08:45:50 AM  
1 vote:

Hanky: Remember when there was a concerted effort to separate editorial and news, that it was ostensibly the most important aspect of journalism to avoid an agenda setting function? Fark those were good times


That is what I stress to my journalism and English students - the difference between opinion and fact. They do not get taught the difference at all, even though it's buried in our standards. As a matter of fact, we're about to get into a discussion/paper about privacy laws and how they have changed over the last thirty years. We've just finished reading Bradbury's "The Pedestrian" and we're going to apply journalistic principles and debate the topic. They're going to research the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the COPA, and other privacy laws that have been passed in the last few decades. Then, they will debate the pros and cons of each using the Joe Friday technique - they must use facts from unbiased sources to support their opinions.

It's gonna be awesome!
2012-09-22 08:36:26 AM  
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my lip balm addiction: johne3819: Fox news is best news

Since that is the 1st comment I have ever seen from you and it is about as stupid as stupid gets, I am getting rid of you so I never have to read any of your bullshiat ever again.


Easy, Mr. Addiction. Fox=North Korea, which is best Korea.
2012-09-22 08:15:40 AM  
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And for the record, I actually watch CNN. I realize that they have a lot of pomp and pageantry on election and debate nights and such, but I would rather feel like my thoughts aren't being dictated by a pundit.

I have tried to watch FOX News, but I have to admit, they make my head explode. I end up yelling at the tv and fact checking them and then screaming at the tv. I believe that if I watched FOX News for a whole day, I would end up having a stroke.
2012-09-22 07:34:14 AM  
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randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.


This just in: "The Left" doesn't universally look up to any one news outlet.

/more tonight at 11.
2012-09-22 04:45:48 AM  
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The last night Kopple went off the air on Nightline, he didn't reminisce or take a victory lap. He actually warned people to watch quality news or by the business nature design of television Nightline and programs like it would be replaced with sensationalistic programming with mass appeal that entertains not informs. On Koppels last night he said "watch out" instead of "take care".

The Murrow Boys: Pioneers on the Front lines of Broadcast Journalism is an incredibly entertaining book, detailing the birth of modern journalism from dispatches on the front lines to radio and on to Television

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2012-09-22 04:13:02 AM  
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The 4th estate died on 9/11.

After that, the media's "business" is fear (and what sells) not journalism.

Damn, I hate to have Mustaine's (asshat) lyrics going through my head.
2012-09-22 04:04:44 AM  
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I think news should be looked at as a public good, just look at the BBC, or NPR. I rather listen/watch those any time rather than the drivel on cable news.
2012-09-22 03:55:56 AM  
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impaler: If I was born 5 year earlier,


Case in point. If the "in demand" talent was mastery of the English language, I would be on skid row.
2012-09-22 03:24:06 AM  
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Harry_Seldon: We used to get Tech TV and Leo Laporte all day


You talking late 90s? I miss those days. Was studying computer engineering, watched tech TV, everything looked bright.

Things still turned out pretty good for me, but I really miss the optimism I had at the time. Honestly, I still have it for myself, just not for everyone else. I remember bitterly thinking in the '00s how I would probably have 6 figures more money (5 years after school) if I was just born 5 years earlier. Seeing the unemployment rate of today's graduates, I can only imagine how bitter they are. When I see people 5 to 10 year my senior biatch how today's college graduates are entitled moochers (who paid twice as much for their education for 1/4 the opportunity), I want to fuking stab them in their face.
2012-09-22 03:20:15 AM  
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mjg: Malivon: So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?

Treat yourself and check out CBC's The National. Peter Mansbridge and Neil Macdonald (yeah, Norm Macdonald's older brother. Too funny!)

Very balanced news on the US and international topics. Neil is a bit more blistering but his writing is spot-on.

/American Farker here


I'll give it a read - I keep up with a few international news sources to avoid the US media bias*.

*wagarrbl if you will, but I sincerely believe that all US based news outlets have some bias that favors one side of the aisle or the other a bit more than it should
2012-09-22 03:09:59 AM  
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Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing


"Not right wing"

Duh.
2012-09-22 03:06:07 AM  
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nvmac: Ratings are not an indicator of integrity, Bill.


Which is why I always get me news from the WWE!

This farking "ratings = truth" bullshat is bullshat. Anyone that believes it is willing to give ratings to a bullshat artist.
2012-09-22 03:05:55 AM  
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I have a renewed respect for Ted. Well done, Sir.
2012-09-22 02:57:58 AM  
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YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


Facts do have a well known liberal bias.
2012-09-22 02:35:34 AM  
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logieal: If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.


"Hey boss, I've got a huge lead on a story that could shake the very foundations of American politics, but it will take months of investigative journalism in order to get all of the facts in order."

"That's great, but Lindsay Lohan just crashed her car again. Head out to Sunset and ask some morons for their opinions."
2012-09-22 02:32:13 AM  
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Superjoe: Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.


That would destroy every fiber of his pathetic being.
2012-09-22 02:31:19 AM  
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Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.
2012-09-22 02:28:09 AM  
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*Sniff,sniff* That....That was a magnificent Faux News indictment. 

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2012-09-22 02:13:20 AM  
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PWNED
2012-09-22 02:11:24 AM  
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i want retroactively go back and watch 37 years of nightline
2012-09-22 02:07:27 AM  
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oh snap.
2012-09-22 02:06:49 AM  
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Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing


if you're not on the right you're on the left, and the right is in crazy town too bad libs
2012-09-22 02:04:20 AM  
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YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power. It just happens that the abuse of power is often at the hands of those who control resources. I don't think there is much argument that the Republican party has represented the monied and powerful interests, and its frequent abuse. This is not to dismiss the abuse of power regardless of political affiliation.

LBJ certainly abused his power in Vietnam, and paid for it.
2012-09-22 02:01:29 AM  
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That's right, Teabaggers and Firebaggers, news with spin is still.....SPIN

Assholes
2012-09-22 01:50:54 AM  
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And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.
2012-09-22 01:18:10 AM  
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fusillade762: Foxnew?


FOX OLD NO NEW
2012-09-22 12:43:35 AM  
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2012-09-22 12:36:19 AM  
1 vote:
This is what news used to look like. It was on for three hours a day,
2012-09-22 12:25:42 AM  
1 vote:
Was it me, or did Koppel really kiss him off at the end?

/at long last have you no shame sir
2012-09-22 12:03:08 AM  
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David Brinkley would approve, Sir.
2012-09-21 10:48:26 PM  
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I genuinely feel bad for anyone with even one ounce of journalistic integrity who goes on Fox News. It's got to be a very strange world, and all they do is hump their ratings as though that gives them some sort of legitimacy.

Fiction sells very well, and Fox makes a killing off of telling people what they want to hear as opposed to what they should or need to hear.

"Hard news" my ass, Billy. There is no such thing in an echo chamber.
2012-09-21 10:01:39 PM  
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Heh! I really miss Koppel. Can't watch Nightline without him.
 
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