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2012-09-21 10:01:39 PM  
Heh! I really miss Koppel. Can't watch Nightline without him.
 
2012-09-21 10:06:33 PM  
Ted Koppel is that rare breed of journalist that still believes in reporting facts. Ed Murrow would be proud.
 
2012-09-21 10:11:33 PM  
"But I still think I'm dong something noble"

That's called a delusion Bill.
 
2012-09-21 10:17:26 PM  
That last second is seriously OH SNAP territory.
 
2012-09-21 10:19:06 PM  
Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.
 
2012-09-21 10:21:21 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: That last second is seriously OH SNAP territory.


Can't believe I missed that the first time around. Wow. Ted, you rock.
 
2012-09-21 10:38:36 PM  
Remember when there was a concerted effort to separate editorial and news, that it was ostensibly the most important aspect of journalism to avoid an agenda setting function? Fark those were good times
 
2012-09-21 10:39:12 PM  
BOOM!
 
2012-09-21 10:48:26 PM  
I genuinely feel bad for anyone with even one ounce of journalistic integrity who goes on Fox News. It's got to be a very strange world, and all they do is hump their ratings as though that gives them some sort of legitimacy.

Fiction sells very well, and Fox makes a killing off of telling people what they want to hear as opposed to what they should or need to hear.

"Hard news" my ass, Billy. There is no such thing in an echo chamber.
 
2012-09-21 11:00:49 PM  
Ratings are not an indicator of integrity, Bill.

And nice job admitting you're a business giving your followers the pablum they pay you for.

/go capitalism
 
2012-09-21 11:58:21 PM  
Like a boss. Thank you Mr. Koppel.
 
2012-09-22 12:03:08 AM  
David Brinkley would approve, Sir.
 
2012-09-22 12:05:32 AM  
Foxnew?
 
2012-09-22 12:18:12 AM  
Damn, Ted Koppel rocks. You really do need to spend the time watching it to get the full effect of the punchline.

It's awesome.
 
2012-09-22 12:25:42 AM  
Was it me, or did Koppel really kiss him off at the end?

/at long last have you no shame sir
 
2012-09-22 12:25:46 AM  

Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.


THIS. A thousand times THIS! And I think I'm in love...with Ted Koppel.

///NOW I feel freakin' old.... :-(
 
2012-09-22 12:29:56 AM  
"But I still think that I am doing something noble."

FALAFEL!
 
2012-09-22 12:36:19 AM  
This is what news used to look like. It was on for three hours a day,
 
2012-09-22 12:43:35 AM  
 
2012-09-22 12:53:12 AM  
The Koppel Kiss...of death?

That last part of the clip was wonderful. You just see Ted sitting there treating O'Reilly like the child that he is. Not condescending, just a wise grandfather kindly smirking at a foolish boy's childish behavior.
 
2012-09-22 12:55:27 AM  
Hyperpartisanship sucks.

It does.
 
2012-09-22 01:18:10 AM  

fusillade762: Foxnew?


FOX OLD NO NEW
 
2012-09-22 01:20:37 AM  
What in the holy fark is Koppel wearing on his head? Did Canada have a sale on beaver pelts?
 
2012-09-22 01:33:20 AM  

Debby7813: Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.

THIS. A thousand times THIS! And I think I'm in love...with Ted Koppel.

///NOW I feel freakin' old.... :-(


THIS is what I ranted at the TV while watching "The Newsroom"
For the love of god, I would watch THAT news program nightly. And if not nightly, certainly 2-5 times a week.
No more lost little white girls. No more celebrity news. No more kittens stuck in trees. No more hawking for ratings. Just the news.

I guess the closest thing is NPR news
 
2012-09-22 01:48:24 AM  
The ending to that was beautiful.
 
2012-09-22 01:50:26 AM  
So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.
 
2012-09-22 01:50:54 AM  
And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.
 
2012-09-22 01:51:06 AM  

fusillade762: Foxnew?


ghesuntite
 
2012-09-22 01:56:40 AM  
I've always thought progressive people could take a play out of the Teahadists playbook to really hurt companies like Fox. Every so often FCC licenses come up for renewal, and every complaint against every broadcaster is reviewed. Part of their option to lease the spectrum they use at a discount rate was their agreement to use that spectrum on loss leading enterprises in futhering the public trust by informing them. A letter writing campaign against local news affiliates for poor or deceptive news programming, or in the case of Fox affiliates for buying news from their parent company which went to the supreme court to defend their right to outright lie on the news might be effective in increasing their costs, reduce their access to credit, and retard media consolidation.
 
2012-09-22 01:57:09 AM  
I'm sorry, what was TK's zinger? Was he interviewing someone? (sorry, wireless sucks tonight, can't watch)
 
2012-09-22 02:00:35 AM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


Define: Left wing
 
2012-09-22 02:00:40 AM  
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2012-09-22 02:01:05 AM  

drongozone: I'm sorry, what was TK's zinger? Was he interviewing someone? (sorry, wireless sucks tonight, can't watch)


Koppel: "It's a business, and it's operating as a business, and once upon a time, you and I actually thought journalism was a calling."
O'Reilly: "But I still think I'm doing something noble."
Koppel: *airkiss*
 
2012-09-22 02:01:14 AM  
As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.
 
2012-09-22 02:01:29 AM  
That's right, Teabaggers and Firebaggers, news with spin is still.....SPIN

Assholes
 
2012-09-22 02:01:39 AM  

Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.


LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.
 
2012-09-22 02:02:59 AM  

Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.


It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.
 
2012-09-22 02:04:20 AM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power. It just happens that the abuse of power is often at the hands of those who control resources. I don't think there is much argument that the Republican party has represented the monied and powerful interests, and its frequent abuse. This is not to dismiss the abuse of power regardless of political affiliation.

LBJ certainly abused his power in Vietnam, and paid for it.
 
2012-09-22 02:04:38 AM  
"Smooch". Perfect, Mr. Koppel, nicely played.
 
2012-09-22 02:06:12 AM  

farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.


We used to get Tech TV and Leo Laporte all day
 
2012-09-22 02:06:49 AM  

Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing


if you're not on the right you're on the left, and the right is in crazy town too bad libs
 
2012-09-22 02:07:27 AM  
oh snap.
 
2012-09-22 02:07:56 AM  

Harry_Seldon: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power. It just happens that the abuse of power is often at the hands of those who control resources. I don't think there is much argument that the Republican party has represented the monied and powerful interests, and its frequent abuse. This is not to dismiss the abuse of power regardless of political affiliation.

LBJ certainly abused his power in Vietnam, and paid for it.


Rightly so. difference between then and now....He owned it. Didn't try to set the next guy n line up to take the fall for him.
 
2012-09-22 02:08:41 AM  

Harry_Seldon: farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.

We used to get Tech TV and Leo Laporte all day


Not much better, lol.

I would hate an employer who forced me to watch TV all day.
 
2012-09-22 02:09:45 AM  
"But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.
 
2012-09-22 02:10:30 AM  
Don't remember the exact quote, but Bill says something about how they could peddle an inferior product for so long.

Ever hear of opium? Stuff excites the pleasure neurons in your brain and you want to repeat the experience, again and again ad infinitum.

Lo and behold, you do this too many times and then you HAVE to do it just to maintain equilibrium.
Try to stop and you are in a world of hurt.
Think FAUX SNOOZE is like this for a lot of people...and since the product they provide isn't a 'real' substance and perfectly legal their audience sees no reason to discontinue dosing themselves with it.
 
2012-09-22 02:11:11 AM  

farkityfarker: Harry_Seldon: farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.

We used to get Tech TV and Leo Laporte all day

Not much better, lol.

I would hate an employer who forced me to watch TV all day.


dude, TW Cable paid me 28 bux an hour to essentially watch TV all day. Don't knock it till you tried it
 
2012-09-22 02:11:24 AM  
i want retroactively go back and watch 37 years of nightline
 
2012-09-22 02:13:20 AM  
PWNED
 
2012-09-22 02:13:30 AM  

Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing


It's the port side of a bird.
 
2012-09-22 02:14:16 AM  

farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.


What's funny is that my bosses feel the need to have the TVs on all day, like it is a reward for us. But they only let news be shown. Because they feel they need to "balance" out Fox, CNN is on the other TV like they are an equivalent. CNN is not partisan. They're just dumb. They are the extension of the local affiliate mentality of over hyped, over sensationalized "news." So it's either put up with FOX pushing a narrative or CNN count to potato. And Cthulhu forbid that they get turned off and we work in peace. *sigh* I need to start drinking again........
 
2012-09-22 02:18:21 AM  
Koppel steered that interview like a pro and got the last laugh. Well done, sir.
 
2012-09-22 02:19:41 AM  
Ted Koppel has partisan pundits like BillO turn up in his morning stool.

Which, frankly, is more attention than partisan pundits such as BillO deserve...
 
2012-09-22 02:23:01 AM  
Haha. That ending.
 
2012-09-22 02:26:09 AM  

namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.


Don't they have to have scruples to be hypocrites?
At this point they don't even try to hide their bullshiat. They are liars, assholes, manipulators of the idiots in this country and proud. They are many things, but I don't think they are hypocrites *anymore* I think they stopped being that when they got the tea party going, and even before when they shamelessly became the media wing of the GOP under Bush/Cheney.
 
2012-09-22 02:28:09 AM  
*Sniff,sniff* That....That was a magnificent Faux News indictment. 

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2012-09-22 02:28:41 AM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


And you actually believe you're not a complete and total ass? I know, it's amazing, isn't it?!
 
2012-09-22 02:30:24 AM  
".. and once upon a time you and I actually thought journalism was a calling"

When I was younger, in high school and such, I thought I wanted to go into the news industry. Even went to college for it and spent several years studying and working hard to try and attain this goal.

However, once I got a real look at how the news industry was changing around the turn of the century, I realized that it wasn't about gathering facts and reporting on things that were actually newsworthy, rather than pushing some sort of agenda or message or simply ratings. It was a complete rat race. Whoever had the better story or the better package got the better block in the news.

If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.

I grew up listening to Koppel, Brokaw, and the like for national news. They reported on things that mattered. I'm not saying that there weren't news scandals such as faked reports of vehicles exploding, which were actually unsafe, but at least they would come back and admit they farked up.

I have a lot of friends still in the news industry who don't mind running the rat race, but I know that they aren't happy, but they didn't have another field to go to like I did.
 
2012-09-22 02:31:19 AM  
Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.
 
2012-09-22 02:32:13 AM  

Superjoe: Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.


That would destroy every fiber of his pathetic being.
 
2012-09-22 02:32:14 AM  

Superjoe: Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.


/smooch
 
2012-09-22 02:35:34 AM  

logieal: If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.


"Hey boss, I've got a huge lead on a story that could shake the very foundations of American politics, but it will take months of investigative journalism in order to get all of the facts in order."

"That's great, but Lindsay Lohan just crashed her car again. Head out to Sunset and ask some morons for their opinions."
 
2012-09-22 02:37:35 AM  

LobsterSausage: Ted Koppel is that rare breed of journalist that still believes in reporting facts. Ed Murrow would be proud.


That was a weak segment. Don't get me wrong, Bill O'Reilly is a dong goblin, but Koppel hardly schooled him.

Now let's get Bill to go on Koppel's show, it might be different.
 
2012-09-22 02:39:53 AM  
Anyone who was watching his show during that time mind telling me how Koppel handled the Iraq War, the Bush Administration, the politicisation of the Justice dept and the attacks on Habeas Corpus?
 
2012-09-22 02:40:16 AM  
I'm just annoyed at the "truth" Bill O'Reilly spouted... that Fox is "hard news from 9-5" or whatever he said.

NO IT ISN'T!

It's opinion for about half of that time, though it's never labeled as such. That was a big thing in Foxasia in recent years. "We can say whatever we want during "opinion" hours," they cried, though no one knew which hours they were.
 
2012-09-22 02:41:19 AM  
That... that was beautiful.
 
2012-09-22 02:43:00 AM  

Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.


Yeah it's on in the lunchroom where I work. Kinda want to change it to MSNBC when no one is in there and then duck out.
 
2012-09-22 02:44:34 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ask some morons for their opinions."


Yep. It was/is all about the ratings. Just like O' Reilly kept harping on in the clip. Millions of viewers between the hours of fark off and who cares.

I don't buy either side's crap because I've seen it from the inside. Fox panders to the people who can't think, and NBC or whoever panders to the people who have made up their minds about the left and don't want to hear anything to the contrary.
 
2012-09-22 02:46:57 AM  

PreMortem: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

That's called a delusion Bill.


He couldn't have come off more crazy.

/doesn't understand closed minds
 
2012-09-22 02:47:19 AM  
Koppel used to do a brief podcast commentary called "Koppel on the News". It ended abruptly without any real explanation. I really wish he would do it again.
 
2012-09-22 02:47:31 AM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


As usual conservatives mistake informed decisions backed up with facts for left wing bias
 
2012-09-22 02:49:17 AM  

X-boxershorts: Rightly so. difference between then and now....He owned it. Didn't try to set the next guy n line up to take the fall for him.



So 0bama should own up to all the debt and wars he didn't create in the first place?
 
2012-09-22 02:55:57 AM  
Some of Koppel's best work, and I've watched this cat since the 80's, is his coverage of Hurricane Katrina's aftermath in New Orleans. He had this one story he did where he rescued a woman from her house. Written, presented and produced beatifully, and if I were more sober I'd dig up the story. Sorry. But check it out of you're a fan of Koppel's work.
 
2012-09-22 02:57:27 AM  
Man, Koppel buttfarked O'Reily with that deep baritone of his without even raising his voice.
 
2012-09-22 02:57:58 AM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


Facts do have a well known liberal bias.
 
2012-09-22 03:03:23 AM  
About god damn time someone pointed out that the fox "real news" hours aren't fakring watched by anyone! Even then, the "real news" hours are obviously partisan.

*kiss*
 
2012-09-22 03:03:32 AM  
So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?

Have they gone the way of the dinosaur or is there some media outlet out there that isn't broadcasting news 24/7 or whatever nonsensical cycle there is these days?

NPR/BBC World hourly updates typically satiate my news cravings, but is there someone who I should listen to for the news*?

*Not some political mouthwash.
 
2012-09-22 03:05:52 AM  
Smooch
 
2012-09-22 03:05:55 AM  
I have a renewed respect for Ted. Well done, Sir.
 
2012-09-22 03:06:07 AM  

nvmac: Ratings are not an indicator of integrity, Bill.


Which is why I always get me news from the WWE!

This farking "ratings = truth" bullshat is bullshat. Anyone that believes it is willing to give ratings to a bullshat artist.
 
mjg
2012-09-22 03:07:06 AM  
Ted made O'Reilly look like the 1st year pre-journalism undergrad that he is.

/boom
//headshot
 
2012-09-22 03:09:58 AM  
Fox news is best news
 
2012-09-22 03:09:59 AM  

Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing


"Not right wing"

Duh.
 
mjg
2012-09-22 03:13:30 AM  

Malivon: So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?


Treat yourself and check out CBC's The National. Peter Mansbridge and Neil Macdonald (yeah, Norm Macdonald's older brother. Too funny!)

Very balanced news on the US and international topics. Neil is a bit more blistering but his writing is spot-on.

/American Farker here
 
2012-09-22 03:20:15 AM  

mjg: Malivon: So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?

Treat yourself and check out CBC's The National. Peter Mansbridge and Neil Macdonald (yeah, Norm Macdonald's older brother. Too funny!)

Very balanced news on the US and international topics. Neil is a bit more blistering but his writing is spot-on.

/American Farker here


I'll give it a read - I keep up with a few international news sources to avoid the US media bias*.

*wagarrbl if you will, but I sincerely believe that all US based news outlets have some bias that favors one side of the aisle or the other a bit more than it should
 
2012-09-22 03:24:06 AM  

Harry_Seldon: We used to get Tech TV and Leo Laporte all day


You talking late 90s? I miss those days. Was studying computer engineering, watched tech TV, everything looked bright.

Things still turned out pretty good for me, but I really miss the optimism I had at the time. Honestly, I still have it for myself, just not for everyone else. I remember bitterly thinking in the '00s how I would probably have 6 figures more money (5 years after school) if I was just born 5 years earlier. Seeing the unemployment rate of today's graduates, I can only imagine how bitter they are. When I see people 5 to 10 year my senior biatch how today's college graduates are entitled moochers (who paid twice as much for their education for 1/4 the opportunity), I want to fuking stab them in their face.
 
2012-09-22 03:27:59 AM  

brianbankerus: I'm just annoyed at the "truth" Bill O'Reilly spouted... that Fox is "hard news from 9-5" or whatever he said.

NO IT ISN'T!

It's opinion for about half of that time,


But they state that opinion so assertively, it looks like it fact. That counts for something right?
 
2012-09-22 03:28:02 AM  

Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.


RIP. You are spot-on. And I have similar sentiment for my deceased WWII vet Dad, as he would have suffered a thousand heart breaks over the past 20 years seeing what America has become.
 
2012-09-22 03:29:02 AM  
Truth be told, I didn't see much of a MSNBC cockpunch at all in that clip. Subtard and his false equivalencies, right gu-- Oh who am I kidding, Fark's been redder than Freep this whole election season.
 
2012-09-22 03:29:07 AM  

impaler: Harry_Seldon: We used to get Tech TV and Leo Laporte all day

You talking late 90s? I miss those days. Was studying computer engineering, watched tech TV, everything looked bright.

Things still turned out pretty good for me, but I really miss the optimism I had at the time. Honestly, I still have it for myself, just not for everyone else. I remember bitterly thinking in the '00s how I would probably have 6 figures more money (5 years after school) if I was just born 5 years earlier. Seeing the unemployment rate of today's graduates, I can only imagine how bitter they are. When I see people 5 to 10 year my senior biatch how today's college graduates are entitled moochers (who paid twice as much for their education for 1/4 the opportunity), I want to fuking stab them in their face.


I get what you are saying, but that optimism diluted the talent pool at the time with any schmuck who did a GeoCities page thinking they were a software engineer.
 
2012-09-22 03:34:56 AM  

impaler: brianbankerus: I'm just annoyed at the "truth" Bill O'Reilly spouted... that Fox is "hard news from 9-5" or whatever he said.

NO IT ISN'T!

It's opinion for about half of that time,

But they state that opinion so assertively, it looks like it fact. That counts for something right?


More importantly, they cite "some people are talking about", though fail to mention it's only being talked about on earlier Fox shows... yeah, I get it, he's not Grover Norquist.
 
2012-09-22 03:46:51 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I get what you are saying, but that optimism diluted the talent pool at the time with any schmuck who did a GeoCities page thinking they were a software engineer


That's just it though isn't it? When any Joe of the street could make near 6 figures with little effort, those with talent were guaranteed "Ferrari money."

Now we're just guaranteed upper-middle-class stature... unless that too changes in the next 20 years.
 
2012-09-22 03:48:13 AM  
Ted Koppel: SMOOCH!

Bill O'Riley: "Can't explain that!"

lol
 
2012-09-22 03:53:53 AM  

impaler: those with talent were guaranteed


FYI, I mean talent with computers. If I was born 5 year earlier, my net worth could easily be $100,000 more at this point in my career. If I was born 100 year earlier, I would be rightly farked.

That's something a lot of "successful" people don't get. They aren't better off because they're better people, they're better off because the talents they happen to have happen to be in demand at this point in history.
 
2012-09-22 03:55:56 AM  

impaler: If I was born 5 year earlier,


Case in point. If the "in demand" talent was mastery of the English language, I would be on skid row.
 
2012-09-22 03:59:00 AM  
Oh shiat son.

/farking owned
 
2012-09-22 03:59:51 AM  

impaler: Harry_Seldon: I get what you are saying, but that optimism diluted the talent pool at the time with any schmuck who did a GeoCities page thinking they were a software engineer

That's just it though isn't it? When any Joe of the street could make near 6 figures with little effort, those with talent were guaranteed "Ferrari money."

Now we're just guaranteed upper-middle-class stature... unless that too changes in the next 20 years.


I live in the Pacific NW, and there is a big difference in pay structure in IT if you work for smaller local company rather that company that has to compete for global specialized talent. I actually wanted to work for a smaller company, but the pay was pitiful compared what I could get paid by one of the top 10 global tech companies. I also have the education, skills, and experience to compete for the jobs and pay offered to the top 20% of the talent pool. I guess it is a matter of perspective. My former brother in law is one of those rare Sr. Unix Admin who can type commands at a 100 words a minute. I hate him, and think he is an absolute social retard, but there is no doubt that he is part of a limited talent pool, and gets paid accordingly by top tier companies.
 
2012-09-22 04:04:44 AM  
I think news should be looked at as a public good, just look at the BBC, or NPR. I rather listen/watch those any time rather than the drivel on cable news.
 
2012-09-22 04:06:38 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I live in the Pacific NW, and there is a big difference in pay structure in IT if you work for smaller local company rather that company that has to compete for global specialized talent. I actually wanted to work for a smaller company, but the pay was pitiful compared what I could get paid by one of the top 10 global tech companies


I'm in a similar situation, but I love what I do, the freedom I have at work, and I'm not paid too bad considering I don't have to spend my time filling out TPS reports.
 
2012-09-22 04:13:02 AM  
The 4th estate died on 9/11.

After that, the media's "business" is fear (and what sells) not journalism.

Damn, I hate to have Mustaine's (asshat) lyrics going through my head.
 
2012-09-22 04:14:18 AM  
Fox News Alert: Ted Koppel chokes a biatch. We'll have more with Ted Koppel's biatch after these messages.
 
2012-09-22 04:31:17 AM  

logieal: ".. and once upon a time you and I actually thought journalism was a calling"

When I was younger, in high school and such, I thought I wanted to go into the news industry. Even went to college for it and spent several years studying and working hard to try and attain this goal.

However, once I got a real look at how the news industry was changing around the turn of the century, I realized that it wasn't about gathering facts and reporting on things that were actually newsworthy, rather than pushing some sort of agenda or message or simply ratings. It was a complete rat race. Whoever had the better story or the better package got the better block in the news.

If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.

I grew up listening to Koppel, Brokaw, and the like for national news. They reported on things that mattered. I'm not saying that there weren't news scandals such as faked reports of vehicles exploding, which were actually unsafe, but at least they would come back and admit they farked up.

I have a lot of friends still in the news industry who don't mind running the rat race, but I know that they aren't happy, but they didn't have another field to go to like I did.


Wouldn't overpass puppy punting be a pet story already?

Perhaps a Republican Congressman punting welfare recipients off the overpass? On to some rich dude's nice car?
 
2012-09-22 04:45:48 AM  
The last night Kopple went off the air on Nightline, he didn't reminisce or take a victory lap. He actually warned people to watch quality news or by the business nature design of television Nightline and programs like it would be replaced with sensationalistic programming with mass appeal that entertains not informs. On Koppels last night he said "watch out" instead of "take care".

The Murrow Boys: Pioneers on the Front lines of Broadcast Journalism is an incredibly entertaining book, detailing the birth of modern journalism from dispatches on the front lines to radio and on to Television

dca.lib.tufts.edu
 
2012-09-22 04:45:56 AM  
I've seen Bill pull the ole appeal to the masses fallacy before....if millions watch us then how can it be wrong? Which is intellectually dishonest on his part. He knows that's not a valid point, but he also knows his audience is willing to bite on it, so he runs with it.
 
2012-09-22 04:59:31 AM  

Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.


Dude, why do you think most of them ARE dead?
 
2012-09-22 05:09:04 AM  

Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.


THIS. At work the TVs are set to Fox Business Channel, Bloomberg, and CNBC. Basically, all three Wall St. cheerleaders. Thankfully, they are on mute, but that doesn't stop me from noticing that FBC's "business" coverage is mainly interviewing the same dozen or so right-wing friendly CEOs in between the standard "Democrat BAD Republican GOOD" pieces you can find on regular Fox News. CNBC is only slightly better (I find the business profiles interesting but Suze Orman and Mad Money cancel that out). Bloomberg is the only one of the three that has any professionalism to it.

I'm really dreading the NHL lockout now. We can change the channels for Patriots, Celtics, and Bruins games. Losing one of the three means more Stossel or the AmericanAuctionSwampPawnGunsmithFishers "reality" shows my coworkers watch.

/Nor does having FBC on mute make me any less punchy, esp. when douches like Lou Dobbs, Jon Stossel, or Blonde Stepford Newsbimbo #214302 are on.
//At least Glenn Beck is gone. 
///CSB
 
2012-09-22 05:19:03 AM  
lol - That was awesome.
 
2012-09-22 05:19:56 AM  

namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.


I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV
 
2012-09-22 05:40:49 AM  
Ted Koppel is a waffle.

/obscure?
 
2012-09-22 05:51:33 AM  

Mr_Juche: farkityfarker: What's funny is that my bosses feel the need to have the TVs on all day, like it is a reward for us. But they only let news be shown. Because they feel they need to "balance" out Fox, CNN is on the other TV like they are an equivalent. CNN is not partisan. They're just dumb. ...


Back in the day CNN didn't use to be dumb at all. During the 90's CNN was *the* source of news and every bit as respectable as the BBC. Then, almost overnight, they went all fluffy and relegated their old format to the "Headline News" corner. And eventually it degraded into Nancy Grace and turned essentially into a tabloid.

I don't think MSNBC is the mirror of Fox. Its content leans a little left and a little fluffy but this only because it's targeting a younger, unsophisticated audience that prefers "news lite".

I'd watch BBC to the exclusion of all others if it were a bit easier finding british-based VPNs to stream. Al-Jazeera is pretty good though a little too centered on the middle east issues.
 
2012-09-22 05:57:51 AM  

Lsherm: What in the holy fark is Koppel wearing on his head? Did Canada have a sale on beaver pelts?


Keep making those non-petty defenses of "your side"

BTW if noble is ever a word you'd ever apply to yourself... you're farking lost
 
2012-09-22 06:01:37 AM  
I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.
 
2012-09-22 06:04:07 AM  
Still the best bit of pwn to ever hit the Spin Cycle Cartel:

Link
 
2012-09-22 06:06:10 AM  

doosh: Mr_Juche: farkityfarker: What's funny is that my bosses feel the need to have the TVs on all day, like it is a reward for us. But they only let news be shown. Because they feel they need to "balance" out Fox, CNN is on the other TV like they are an equivalent. CNN is not partisan. They're just dumb. ...

Back in the day CNN didn't use to be dumb at all. During the 90's CNN was *the* source of news and every bit as respectable as the BBC. Then, almost overnight, they went all fluffy and relegated their old format to the "Headline News" corner. And eventually it degraded into Nancy Grace and turned essentially into a tabloid.

I don't think MSNBC is the mirror of Fox. Its content leans a little left and a little fluffy but this only because it's targeting a younger, unsophisticated audience that prefers "news lite".

I'd watch BBC to the exclusion of all others if it were a bit easier finding british-based VPNs to stream. Al-Jazeera is pretty good though a little too centered on the middle east issues.


LookHere
 
2012-09-22 06:21:58 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Journalism's function is a check on power.


and now, a word from our sponsors.
 
2012-09-22 06:41:10 AM  

randomjsa: Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it.


You've officially out-trolled yourself. Bravo. Bravo.
 
2012-09-22 06:43:17 AM  

stonelotus: Harry_Seldon: Journalism's function is a check on power.

and now, a word from our sponsors.


When you want smooth refreshing flavor, light up a Lucky Strike cigarette.
 
2012-09-22 06:50:55 AM  
Bill O'Rielly is a special boy.
 
2012-09-22 06:59:01 AM  

cman: Hyperpartisanship sucks.

It does.


Fox news, and what passes for "conservatism" in America today sucks rancid pig shiat too, son - and we all know it, including you.
 
2012-09-22 07:09:01 AM  

Superjoe: Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.


I assume he meant it in the sense of "final point of discussion" rather than literally saying the last things before the camera goes off. Which is clearly also how Koppel interpreted it, so it's not that uncommon a way to phrase it.
 
2012-09-22 07:25:42 AM  
A popular product automatically means honest and objective?

I must have missed the memo.
 
2012-09-22 07:34:14 AM  

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.


This just in: "The Left" doesn't universally look up to any one news outlet.

/more tonight at 11.
 
2012-09-22 07:35:53 AM  
Is this the thread where I make a false equivalency between a partisan propaganda network built on lies and a partisan network that reports facts and statistics? Oh goody.

Conservatives have poisoned public discourse in this country with this BSAB bullshiat.
 
2012-09-22 07:39:02 AM  

PreMortem: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

That's called a delusion Bill.


If you look way back in O'Reilly's early days as an up-and-coming reporter, he WAS pretty damn good at his job. Even on his early days at Fox when he hadn't been fully corrupted by the machine, he was decent (read his first book "Who's Looking Out For You?").

The problem is he's fallen to the point of parody at this point. He's not nearly as bad as Hannity or the cockmunches on Fox & Friends morning show, but O'Reilly is certainly not the journalist he used to be. If that guy, the guy that he was, came back on another network, he could be good again.

Koppel is correct in the video, of course, and that last second is farking GOLD.
 
2012-09-22 07:39:16 AM  
 
2012-09-22 07:42:11 AM  

randomjsa: Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it.


So, you're saying that both sides are bad?

Ah, well, that's cool. But we're talking about Fox News being bad now. Maybe we'll talk about things you don't like in a later thread, about things you don't like.

So, can you defend the journalistic integrity of Fox News? And remember, a dodge is not a defense, you schmuck.
 
2012-09-22 07:46:10 AM  

LavenderWolf: randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.

This just in: "The Left" doesn't universally look up to any one news outlet.

/more tonight at 11.


Crazily enough, I do get news from CNN, MSNBC (or whatever the hell they're called now), FoxNews AND a variety of online sources (though American Thinker, Free Republic and World Net Daily are far too crazy to read -- their coverage is flat out dishonest at this point -- but I will look at those articles to see what one side is saying). It's called being "open minded" and making a decision about my own political beliefs for myself.

Anyone blindly following one side over the other is going to be lost is this sea of what passes as journalism nowadays.
 
2012-09-22 07:59:11 AM  
*SMOOCH*
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-22 08:01:29 AM  

Dog Welder: He's not nearly as bad as Hannity or the cockmunches on Fox & Friends morning show, but O'Reilly is certainly not the journalist he used to be. If that guy, the guy that he was, came back on another network, he could be good again.


Why should he risk his lucrative career for scruples?

Americans don't look up to people with scruples. They look up to people with money.
 
2012-09-22 08:01:50 AM  

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.



You're right! Two wrongs do make a right. Bias balances. Everyone on Fark is a shill for the left-wing ideodrome. It's madness, they don't even know it. Lost sheeple! You know the only person who's right about anything? Randomjsa, the most brilliant man/woman/cat in Farkland. We bow before your trenchant analysis and wit. Who needs career journalists like Ted Koppel when Randomjsa is here to tell us that his 50 years in the business was spent shilling for the communist/stalinist/fascist guy who's been in the White House for the past four years? You, sir, are clearly ahead of your time. Perhaps you have a time machine in your basement. You clearly see the long tail, the larger plan. You, sir, are a giant among lilliputians, and I salute you with my left hand, and blow you a kiss.
 
2012-09-22 08:03:21 AM  
The very idea that anyone would claim that 'Paul Ryan warns pensioners about Obama stealing their medicare' CNN of pro-democrat bias is just farking bizarre.
 
2012-09-22 08:06:59 AM  

animal color: You're right! Two wrongs do make a right. Bias balances.


i10.photobucket.com

Fair and Balanced.
 
2012-09-22 08:08:56 AM  
I really miss Peter Jennings.
 
2012-09-22 08:10:26 AM  
To these people, "liberal media" is anything that is not a 100% 24/7 right-wing echo chamber. You could have a station that spends 23 hours 59 minutes on guns, God, bootstrappiness, American flags, evil brown people, and lamenting about how Democrats are destroying the country, but as soon as they use that remaining one minute to say something like, "but you know, raising taxes on the rich would help control the deficit", its target audience would immediately scream "BAWWWWW, LIBERAL CLAPTRAP" and go find something that never challenges their ideology EVER.
 
2012-09-22 08:13:01 AM  

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.


This^ is how you know he's a Fox News supporter. Fox viewers honestly believe that their news source is the only credible and legitimate news source around. When you are that brainwashed, there is no going back without professional treatment. It feels like watching your brother or sister follow a Jim Jones cult and not being able to do anything about it.
 
2012-09-22 08:15:40 AM  
And for the record, I actually watch CNN. I realize that they have a lot of pomp and pageantry on election and debate nights and such, but I would rather feel like my thoughts aren't being dictated by a pundit.

I have tried to watch FOX News, but I have to admit, they make my head explode. I end up yelling at the tv and fact checking them and then screaming at the tv. I believe that if I watched FOX News for a whole day, I would end up having a stroke.
 
2012-09-22 08:19:14 AM  
That was farking awesome! Never been a big Koppel fan, and never will be an O'Reilly fan, but Koppel bought huge points with that response! Most excellent!
 
2012-09-22 08:21:20 AM  
That was sweet.
 
2012-09-22 08:25:09 AM  

X-boxershorts: That's right, Teabaggers and Firebaggers, news with spin is still.....SPIN

Assholes


Just out of curiousity, WTF is a Fire Bagger.

/better not be anti-firefighter
//brother is a firefighter
///damned proud of him, even if he does vote (R)
//he is sitting 2012 election out thank goodness
 
2012-09-22 08:25:34 AM  
Of course Bill is spouting crap, but it isn't as if his type of "journalism" is anything new in the US.
From the founding of the country, newspapers took sides and wrote forests of crap about the other side.
Publishers sometimes even supplied wars if there wasn't a good one happening at the time.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-22 08:29:46 AM  

0Icky0: Of course Bill is spouting crap, but it isn't as if his type of "journalism" is anything new in the US.
From the founding of the country, newspapers took sides and wrote forests of crap about the other side.
Publishers sometimes even supplied wars if there wasn't a good one happening at the time.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 170x240]



Geebus. That kind of stuff mostly ceased three generations ago, when advertisers began preferring an ostensibly nonpartisan environment to sell their stuff.

If you have to go back to the Spanish-American War to find your example, you might want to look for another one.
 
2012-09-22 08:33:27 AM  

johne3819: Fox news is best news


Since that is the 1st comment I have ever seen from you and it is about as stupid as stupid gets, I am getting rid of you so I never have to read any of your bullshiat ever again.
 
2012-09-22 08:36:26 AM  

my lip balm addiction: johne3819: Fox news is best news

Since that is the 1st comment I have ever seen from you and it is about as stupid as stupid gets, I am getting rid of you so I never have to read any of your bullshiat ever again.


Easy, Mr. Addiction. Fox=North Korea, which is best Korea.
 
2012-09-22 08:40:48 AM  

CSM101: Ted Koppel is a waffle.

/obscure?


Bill O'Reilly is a twatwaffle.

/obscure?
 
2012-09-22 08:45:50 AM  

Hanky: Remember when there was a concerted effort to separate editorial and news, that it was ostensibly the most important aspect of journalism to avoid an agenda setting function? Fark those were good times


That is what I stress to my journalism and English students - the difference between opinion and fact. They do not get taught the difference at all, even though it's buried in our standards. As a matter of fact, we're about to get into a discussion/paper about privacy laws and how they have changed over the last thirty years. We've just finished reading Bradbury's "The Pedestrian" and we're going to apply journalistic principles and debate the topic. They're going to research the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the COPA, and other privacy laws that have been passed in the last few decades. Then, they will debate the pros and cons of each using the Joe Friday technique - they must use facts from unbiased sources to support their opinions.

It's gonna be awesome!
 
2012-09-22 08:50:22 AM  

namatad: THIS is what I ranted at the TV while watching "The Newsroom"
For the love of god, I would watch THAT news program nightly. And if not nightly, certainly 2-5 times a week. No more lost little white girls. No more celebrity news. No more kittens stuck in trees. No more hawking for ratings. Just the news.

I guess the closest thing is NPR news


Yeah, but you can only hear so many stories about Bolivian pan flute players travelling to New York or something. :o) I do so love their political coverage and Nina Totenberg's SCOTUS reports are to die for.
 
2012-09-22 08:52:35 AM  

Malivon: mjg: Malivon: So, where are the news broadcasters like Mr. Koppel?

Treat yourself and check out CBC's The National. Peter Mansbridge and Neil Macdonald (yeah, Norm Macdonald's older brother. Too funny!)

Very balanced news on the US and international topics. Neil is a bit more blistering but his writing is spot-on.

/American Farker here

I'll give it a read - I keep up with a few international news sources to avoid the US media bias*.

*wagarrbl if you will, but I sincerely believe that all US based news outlets have some bias that favors one side of the aisle or the other a bit more than it should


I'd concur with The National on CBC, but also some of the actual news on CBC Newsworld is well reported. I'd recommend a show called "Power & Politics", but it usually focuses on Canadian stuff, but it's a good show to watch just for how they really hammer their guests.

I watch a fair amount of news, and the CBC (and the BBC sometimes) is one of the only TV news sources I know of that actually questions the veracity of politicians' soundbite statements. A lot of "Well, to be fair, when you say it's 16%, it's actually 19%. Isn't that right? Isn't that right?".

They sometimes interview that occasional guest on CNN, Roland Martin, and he always genuinely seems deliriously happy to be answering real questions with some meat on them.

/I assume because they're federally funded and the only real Canadian news institution, they try to be not only impartial, but smart. And every single Canadian administration has hated them, so that's always a good sign that they sometimes speak truth to power
//the current Junior Republicans are gutting them by slashing funds
 
2012-09-22 08:52:40 AM  

X-boxershorts

Harry_Seldon: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power.

Feel free to post a link to the last hard interview the left did with Obama.
 
2012-09-22 08:59:48 AM  
In an alternate reality, laser beams shotvout of Ted Koppel's eyes and sliced and diced every journalist at Fox News.


In actual reality, Ted Koppel is an old man who is blind to the apotheosis of the welfare state that he has promoted his entire life. Blind to the fact that people have nasty disagreements over politics because the differences between the two political parties are increasingly extreme. With one party, the Democrats, utterly refusing to acknowledge the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.

/ppl get angry at politicians who can't lead in a crisis, and if the repubs take over Congress and fail to lead again, anger will be directed at them.
 
2012-09-22 09:04:29 AM  

namatad: No more lost little white girls. No more celebrity news. No more kittens stuck in trees. No more hawking for ratings. Just the news.

I guess the closest thing is NPR news



PBS NewsHour

Bolded and 'imbiggened' for emphasis. That right there is what a news show should look like.
 
2012-09-22 09:05:11 AM  

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts

Harry_Seldon: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power.
Feel free to post a link to the last hard interview the left did with Obama.


I will after you post any interview that MSNBC did with Bush.

oh that's right. He and Cheney wouldn't do interview with them. And yet Obama has been on Fox and talked to Bill,Chris and Bret
 
2012-09-22 09:06:38 AM  

sendtodave: animal color: You're right! Two wrongs do make a right. Bias balances.



Fair and Balanced.


Yes but you didnt make NBC or ABC right either ;

And the fact is that Fox reports accurately on some stories that some of the other networks wint touch.

For example, theyre ignoring the idiotic contradictory statements about the Libyan ambassador's murder that came out of the Obama administration, which insisted that a rocket attack on 9/11 COULD NOT be terrorism.

Come in people.
 
2012-09-22 09:07:30 AM  

S Gilmore L: "Smooch". Perfect, Mr. Koppel, nicely played.


Oh, please! That has to be one of the most childish things I've ever seen a grown man do.
 
2012-09-22 09:10:01 AM  

acad1228: S Gilmore L: "Smooch". Perfect, Mr. Koppel, nicely played.

Oh, please! That has to be one of the most childish things I've ever seen a grown man do.


yeah Bill's appeal to the masses strawman was pretty infantile.
 
2012-09-22 09:11:11 AM  

randomjsa: Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it.


You're right. Fox is on a much higher plane of propaganda. Fox is what soviet-era Pravda wishes it could have been. Fox is the kind of instrument for spreading demonstrable lies and falsehoods that Lord Haw-Haw had wet dreams about.

Also, nobody likes you.
 
2012-09-22 09:13:40 AM  

Animatronik: sendtodave: animal color: You're right! Two wrongs do make a right. Bias balances.



Fair and Balanced.

Yes but you didnt make NBC or ABC right either ;

And the fact is that Fox reports accurately on some stories that some of the other networks wint touch.

For example, theyre ignoring the idiotic contradictory statements about the Libyan ambassador's murder that came out of the Obama administration, which insisted that a rocket attack on 9/11 COULD NOT be terrorism.

Come in people.


lol what are you talking about? you think Fox creating a conspiracy out of thin air is newsworthy for most of America's viewers? it's not.
 
2012-09-22 09:16:21 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Superjoe: Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.

I assume he meant it in the sense of "final point of discussion" rather than literally saying the last things before the camera goes off. Which is clearly also how Koppel interpreted it, so it's not that uncommon a way to phrase it.


No sir, I don't like it. Last word may not literally be 'last sound uttered' but it sure doesn't mean you can 'answer' the guest and have your answer be the last thing heard. If you are served a devastating blow, you just have to eat it. You can't panic and then awkwardly blurt out, "I'm NOBLE!"

If you do that, you aren't giving the last word. So Koppel took the last word. Muah.
 
2012-09-22 09:16:43 AM  

randomjsa: Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.


What makes you look like a fool is holding the notion that any news outlet not exclusively pushing a far right-wing agenda is, by definition, pushing a left wing agenda. It is this strict black-and-white view of everything that makes right-wingers pathetic ditto-heads who cannot think for themselves and you posts here confirm it again and again and again.
 
2012-09-22 09:18:22 AM  

Animatronik: For example, theyre ignoring the idiotic contradictory statements about the Libyan ambassador's murder that came out of the Obama administration, which insisted that a rocket attack on 9/11 COULD NOT be terrorism.


Got a citation for that?
 
2012-09-22 09:19:59 AM  
I think it's great that MSNBC is now pulling in ratings equal to or exceeding Fox now. Maddow is giving Hannity a run for his money. Sometimes beating his ratings.
 
2012-09-22 09:21:59 AM  

nvmac: Ratings are not an indicator of integrity, Bill.


Yes they are. Everyone knows that Budweiser is far and away the finest beer on Earth. Numbers don't lie.
 
2012-09-22 09:23:34 AM  

Animatronik: In an alternate reality, laser beams shotvout of Ted Koppel's eyes and sliced and diced every journalist at Fox News.


In actual reality, Ted Koppel is an old man who is blind to the apotheosis of the welfare state that he has promoted his entire life. Blind to the fact that people have nasty disagreements over politics because the differences between the two political parties are increasingly extreme. With one party, the Democrats, utterly refusing to acknowledge the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.


You REALLY enjoy constructing straw men, don't you?
 
2012-09-22 09:24:09 AM  

Animatronik: Ted Koppel is an old man who is blind to the apotheosis of the welfare state that he has promoted his entire life.


Citation required. +10 for the ambiguity of channeling Faux to perfection, leaving the reader uncertain if it lacked only sarcasm tags. Would read again.
 
2012-09-22 09:25:23 AM  
I farking love it! I so Miss Koppel
 
2012-09-22 09:25:30 AM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


In related news, objective journalism is a left wing agenda.

You know that joke about how reality has a liberal bias? It's not a joke.
 
2012-09-22 09:27:00 AM  
Koppel for the win! Perfect punctuation to the interview!
 
2012-09-22 09:27:35 AM  

Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.


I loved all those old guys, but Uncle Kronk was my touchstone on reality when I was a kid. He had what today would be considered a pathalogical habit in mainstream news, of personally researching the stuff he reported on.
 
2012-09-22 09:27:39 AM  

Animatronik: With one party, the Democrats, utterly refusing to acknowledge the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.


so how do you feel about the 4 trillion in spending cuts that the GOP walked away from so they could keep their tax cuts for the rich?

how do you feel about the sudden fiscal responsibility the GOP found on jan 20th 2009? hell they spent like drunken sailors for 8 years before that.

how do you feel about the GOP keeping all their big ticket items out of the budget while the Dems make sure everything they propose is paid for and included in the budget?
 
2012-09-22 09:33:43 AM  

farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.


Where I find it creepier is in places like hospitals, where it comes across more as push programming, because it's not like people are choosing to go to the hospital or thta particular hospital. (Yes, you're not mistaken: That is indeed the foundation of an FCC content argument.) When I was doing follow-up after a hospital stay, one of the places I'd have to sit and wait sometimes ran Fox News all the time in the waiting area. At the time, the man who ran the company that owned that facility was the highest paid health care executive in New England, while his employees faced hiring freezes, pay freezes, and mandatory overtime. The TV had a sign on it saying not to touch it or change the channel. But I'd built a small remote that ran 144 TV 'off' codes in sequence. I did not touch the TV or change the channel.
 
2012-09-22 09:42:57 AM  

Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.


O'Reilly's a special case, so I don't think your very reasoned case applies to him. Bill's a victim of child abuse, and his adult and professional life is a sad and sometimes disturbing display of a man trying daily to exorcise demons that will not stop haunting him. It's got almost nothing to do with politics.
 
2012-09-22 09:47:35 AM  

syzygy whizz: Don't remember the exact quote, but Bill says something about how they could peddle an inferior product for so long.

Ever hear of opium? Stuff excites the pleasure neurons in your brain and you want to repeat the experience, again and again ad infinitum.

Lo and behold, you do this too many times and then you HAVE to do it just to maintain equilibrium.
Try to stop and you are in a world of hurt.
Think FAUX SNOOZE is like this for a lot of people...and since the product they provide isn't a 'real' substance and perfectly legal their audience sees no reason to discontinue dosing themselves with it.


Having had opium myself, I can testify to its powerful lure, though we were aware of this beforehand and took precautions against it. But I think what you've said is probably true for anything repetitive and reliable that people feel good about and enjoy taking it; I suspect it's one of the reasons people often react badly to change in their favourite shows, no matter what the change is. So I don't think it's special to Fox News at all. What I do think is true is that Fox is particularly adept at milking the emotional power of confirmation bias; but again, they're not alone in that, just very good at it.

I also want to say that I've personally seen real 'hard' news reported on Fox, and seen it done so without bias. I will concede, however, that it was a noteworthy occasion for that.
 
2012-09-22 09:49:52 AM  

Mr_Juche: farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.

What's funny is that my bosses feel the need to have the TVs on all day, like it is a reward for us. But they only let news be shown. Because they feel they need to "balance" out Fox, CNN is on the other TV like they are an equivalent. CNN is not partisan. They're just dumb. They are the extension of the local affiliate mentality of over hyped, over sensationalized "news." So it's either put up with FOX pushing a narrative or CNN count to potato. And Cthulhu forbid that they get turned off and we work in peace. *sigh* I need to start drinking again........


Solution
 
2012-09-22 09:51:55 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Irving Maimway: Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Frank Reynolds, Roger Mudd, and Dan Rather were the newsmen of my formative years. Thank God most of them are dead because they'd be disgusted by what passes for "news" these days.

I loved all those old guys, but Uncle Kronk was my touchstone on reality when I was a kid. He had what today would be considered a pathalogical habit in mainstream news, of personally researching the stuff he reported on.


He was on his way out and I remember the kerfuffle over Rather and Mudd. Still all solid guys determined to report the truth no matter where it led.
 
2012-09-22 09:53:14 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Mr_Juche: farkityfarker: Mr_Juche: As someone who works at a place where Fox is on the TV all day, I can say for certain that Fox does not have any "hard news" before 5. Not one damn minute of it. It is all stories to push an ideological narrative. fark off and die, you lying jackass.

It's amazing that employers would subject their employees to such torture.

It should be illegal.

What's funny is that my bosses feel the need to have the TVs on all day, like it is a reward for us. But they only let news be shown. Because they feel they need to "balance" out Fox, CNN is on the other TV like they are an equivalent. CNN is not partisan. They're just dumb. They are the extension of the local affiliate mentality of over hyped, over sensationalized "news." So it's either put up with FOX pushing a narrative or CNN count to potato. And Cthulhu forbid that they get turned off and we work in peace. *sigh* I need to start drinking again........

Solution


Crap. That's what I get for not using Preview. There's something weird with the site that's not getting along with Fark's editor, so here's the raw URL, in quotes:

"tvbgone.com"
 
2012-09-22 10:04:35 AM  
is there an unedited version? theres a huge blatant cut around 35 seconds in
 
2012-09-22 10:05:59 AM  

Malivon: NPR/BBC World hourly updates typically satiate my news cravings, but is there someone who I should listen to for the news*?


Yes, you should take in more than only a couple or three news sources. I also listen to NPR News and BBC World Service, but I also take in other sources as I can, and as I consider them worth my time. One of them might surprise you. I conducted an experiment a few years ago in which I determined that Fark is as good an all-around news source as NPR News, by NPR's own standard. (Specifically, I rated how well I performed against panel contestants on "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," which is based on NPR News. Fark outperformed NPR News three weeks running, and I saw no point in testing it further.) To get this benefit, though, you need to read an awful lot of Fark on a daily basis, and that can be time-consuming. You also need to read more than two or three tabs; yes, including teh Politics tab. (And by the way, this was when the Music tab was still here. Just saying.)
 
2012-09-22 10:11:55 AM  
Journalism has been yellow since the Gilded Age.
 
2012-09-22 10:12:43 AM  
Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?
 
2012-09-22 10:14:02 AM  

Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV


I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.
 
2012-09-22 10:17:08 AM  

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.


I'm not sure if you should talk to a doctor or an English teacher.
 
2012-09-22 10:18:46 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.

O'Reilly's a special case, so I don't think your very reasoned case applies to him. Bill's a victim of child abuse, and his adult and professional life is a sad and sometimes disturbing display of a man trying daily to exorcise demons that will not stop haunting him. It's got almost nothing to do with politics.


Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?
 
2012-09-22 10:19:15 AM  

buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?


Indeed. Right-wingers view their interpretation of events as 'news'. When that 'news' is not reported by other sources, those other sources are librul media. For example, conflicting statements from various sources in the chaotic hours after separate attacks on the embassy in Cairo and consulate in Libya = foreign policy in ruins for right wingers. When Obama's foreign policy is not reported as a complete and utter failure by other media outlets, those media outlets are 'suppressing the news' and 'covering for Obama'. The fact that "foreign policy in ruins or a complete failure" is an opinion is lost on right-wingers.
 
2012-09-22 10:22:30 AM  

lantawa: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.

O'Reilly's a special case, so I don't think your very reasoned case applies to him. Bill's a victim of child abuse, and his adult and professional life is a sad and sometimes disturbing display of a man trying daily to exorcise demons that will not stop haunting him. It's got almost nothing to do with politics.

Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?


Mythical insertion? Really?

Link
 
2012-09-22 10:24:10 AM  

buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?


They also have to help the viewer determine the truth. Not an opinion per se but when the politicians lay down bullshiat, they have to call them on it.
 
2012-09-22 10:26:24 AM  
His airkiss needs to be made into an anigif.

IMMEDIATELY.
 
2012-09-22 10:28:26 AM  
I thought he mouthed the word "Bull"
 
2012-09-22 10:29:04 AM  

theknuckler_33: lantawa: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.

O'Reilly's a special case, so I don't think your very reasoned case applies to him. Bill's a victim of child abuse, and his adult and professional life is a sad and sometimes disturbing display of a man trying daily to exorcise demons that will not stop haunting him. It's got almost nothing to do with politics.

Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?

Mythical insertion? Really?

Link


Yes. Really. If you don't know the difference between a plausible, well-considered and doument-supported theory and an outright lying (though sorta humorous) troll, then you need to go back to Fark nursery school to learn your Fark ABCs.
 
2012-09-22 10:32:39 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.

so you both feel it is okay to vandalize someone's property and you both have no respect for the people who stay in the room after you mess with the televisions. What are you 12 years old


While childish, it's not exactly vandalism.

The tv's aren't destroyed and can be reprogrammed easily.
 
2012-09-22 10:35:20 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Too bad Brokaw has gone off the deep left wing side of the pool.


LOLWUT?
 
2012-09-22 10:39:27 AM  

acad1228: S Gilmore L: "Smooch". Perfect, Mr. Koppel, nicely played.

Oh, please! That has to be one of the most childish things I've ever seen a grown man do.


And it really is just about the only conceivable response to something as outrageously absurd as "I still think I'm doing something noble." When a lunatic insists that God is talking to him via a dead squirrel with the voice of Alec Guinness, you smile and walk away. You don't try to show him why he's wrong.
 
2012-09-22 10:39:40 AM  

mrshowrules: They also have to help the viewer determine the truth. Not an opinion per se but when the politicians lay down bullshiat, they have to call them on it.


Well, I see "investigative journalists" would do this, but as far as a "news" program is concerned, NBCNews, FoxNews, Cnn, I don't feel it's their job at ALL.

A bomb went off at an embassy in Cairo. Period. Report the news to me. Don't tell me it was a failing on anyone's part, because that's not your job!
You "report" the news that happened.

There are other outlets, programs, papers, internet sites, what have you, that can "assess & interpret" that news all they want.

When I turn on any "news" program, I don't want them to tell me how I should feel about the news. Just report it.
 
2012-09-22 10:41:30 AM  

fenianfark: PBS NewsHour

Bolded and 'imbiggened' for emphasis. That right there is what a news show should look like.


In no particular order...

i49.tinypic.com

i48.tinypic.com

i49.tinypic.com

i50.tinypic.com

i46.tinypic.com

The Truth Is Out There...
 
2012-09-22 10:44:21 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.


I salute you.
I noticed some hotels in Florida would program thier TVs to turn on the Foxnews Channel no matter what channel was on, when tv was turned off. (Game on)

I don't consider deleting Foxnews censorship.
It would be very easy to reprogram the tv by calling the front desk or using auto program buttons on the tv itself.
I look at the situation like a delayed gratification or a mouse-in-maze test to fire the little grey cells before all the sugar of Foxnews.
 
2012-09-22 10:44:30 AM  

buntz: mrshowrules: They also have to help the viewer determine the truth. Not an opinion per se but when the politicians lay down bullshiat, they have to call them on it.

Well, I see "investigative journalists" would do this, but as far as a "news" program is concerned, NBCNews, FoxNews, Cnn, I don't feel it's their job at ALL.

A bomb went off at an embassy in Cairo. Period. Report the news to me. Don't tell me it was a failing on anyone's part, because that's not your job!
You "report" the news that happened.

There are other outlets, programs, papers, internet sites, what have you, that can "assess & interpret" that news all they want.

When I turn on any "news" program, I don't want them to tell me how I should feel about the news. Just report it.


The 24 hour news format requires them to fill their broadcasts with something. That's why cable news has endless droning of talking heads.
 
2012-09-22 10:46:48 AM  

Waldo Pepper: mscleo: Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.

so you both feel it is okay to vandalize someone's property and you both have no respect for the people who stay in the room after you mess with the televisions. What are you 12 years old

While childish, it's not exactly vandalism.

The tv's aren't destroyed and can be reprogrammed easily.

but why should the hotel have to spend time reprogramming the television due to your abuse and you wanting to feel superior to those who don't agree with your news choice.


Chili out dude. I'm not the one with the remote.

I just pointed out that this is not vandalism.
 
2012-09-22 10:55:29 AM  
i17.photobucket.com

How precious, he still thinks he is doing something noble.

The face that launched a thousand c*ckpunches.
 
2012-09-22 11:03:01 AM  

lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?

Mythical insertion? Really?

Link

Yes. Really. If you don't know the difference between a plausible, well-considered and doument-supported theory and an outright lying (though sorta humorous) troll, then you need to go back to Fark nursery school to learn your Fark ABCs.


Writing a book that collects 'evidence' to support a straw man isn't a theory. It is farking stupid. It was nothing more than a tired rehashing of all the right-wing nonsense from 2008 and only emphasizes that the right-wing has NOTHING to run on 4 years later.
 
2012-09-22 11:03:33 AM  

animal color: If you have to go back to the Spanish-American War to find your example, you might want to look for another one.


The point was that Fox-style journalism isn't breaking some eternal news ethic, or going against some founding ideal of America. It's poisonous bullshart, but it isn't original.
- Hearst wasn't that long ago for some people.
 
2012-09-22 11:16:20 AM  

Animatronik: /ppl get angry at politicians who can't lead in a crisis, and if the repubs take over Congress and fail to lead again, anger will be directed at them.


IF they fail?
 
2012-09-22 11:17:07 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I genuinely feel bad for anyone with even one ounce of journalistic integrity who goes on Fox News. It's got to be a very strange world, and all they do is hump their ratings as though that gives them some sort of legitimacy.

Fiction sells very well, and Fox makes a killing off of telling people what they want to hear as opposed to what they should or need to hear.

"Hard news" my ass, Billy. There is no such thing in an echo chamber.


I suspect the Fox News room is run "bullpen" style a lot like that old gossip show TMZ.

"Obama farted in Church on Sunday."

"Lets run with as the top story. Get reactions from this fellow parishioners. If they are pro-Obama, distort their faces and edit the clip to make them appear to be idiots."

"On it, boss."
 
2012-09-22 11:17:21 AM  
No surprise randomjsa goes far, far out of his way to defend the man who advocated George Tiller's death, and the company that pays him to advocate it.
 
2012-09-22 11:19:14 AM  

theknuckler_33: lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?

Mythical insertion? Really?

Link

Yes. Really. If you don't know the difference between a plausible, well-considered and doument-supported theory and an outright lying (though sorta humorous) troll, then you need to go back to Fark nursery school to learn your Fark ABCs.

Writing a book that collects 'evidence' to support a straw man isn't a theory. It is farking stupid. It was nothing more than a tired rehashing of all the right-wing nonsense from 2008 and only emphasizes that the right-wing has NOTHING to run on 4 years later.


No. You're stupid for dismissing it outright and for incorrectly believing that there are no other issues (extremely important issues, BTW, that are indicative of gross deficiencies in Obama's performance) at play in this election.
 
2012-09-22 11:27:46 AM  

0Icky0: animal color: If you have to go back to the Spanish-American War to find your example, you might want to look for another one.

The point was that Fox-style journalism isn't breaking some eternal news ethic, or going against some founding ideal of America. It's poisonous bullshart, but it isn't original.
- Hearst wasn't that long ago for some people.



Methuselah?
 
2012-09-22 11:31:21 AM  

Animatronik: In an alternate reality, laser beams shotvout of Ted Koppel's eyes and sliced and diced every journalist at Fox News.


In actual reality, Ted Koppel is an old man who is blind to the apotheosis of the welfare state that he has promoted his entire life. Blind to the fact that people have nasty disagreements over politics because the differences between the two political parties are increasingly extreme. With one party, the Democrats, utterly refusing to acknowledge the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.

/ppl get angry at politicians who can't lead in a crisis, and if the repubs take over Congress and fail to lead again, anger will be directed at them.



Here's the thing, Junior: If you accomplish one-tenth as much as Ted Koppel did in his distinguished career, you can consider yourself a success.

Something tells me -- perhaps your pretentious and practically illiterate observations on a man you've never met -- that you'll have to find another label.
 
2012-09-22 11:36:04 AM  

buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?


Impossible, unless said anchor only provides a transcript of the president's speech. Otherwise, the anchor (or a producer) must decide which parts to report, which parts to leave out, which part of the story to lead with, etc. That means exercising judgment. And that cannot be done impartially.

The whole notion of "impartial" reporting of news is a fallacy, a pipe-dream. Just deciding which stories to cover, or even which words to use, inserts the reporter's judgment into the story.
 
2012-09-22 11:49:20 AM  
Tim Russert had integrity and strength in reporting the news.
Russert made the republicans and democrats look like idiots with their own words, instead of this word jumble back and forth that is played on Sunday news shows today.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-09-22 11:51:24 AM  
When is this "hard news" from 9am to 5pm that Bill talks about going to start?

Bill's "you can't stay on top with a dishonest product; it's impossible" (or to that effect; I'm not his transcriber) is a statement that is false about Fox's existence.
 
2012-09-22 11:58:36 AM  
O'Reilly: "We actually do hard news here..."

*rolls eyes*

Bill, Fox News does "hard news" like Vince McMahon does "wrestling."
 
2012-09-22 12:04:22 PM  

lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?

Mythical insertion? Really?

Link

Yes. Really. If you don't know the difference between a plausible, well-considered and doument-supported theory and an outright lying (though sorta humorous) troll, then you need to go back to Fark nursery school to learn your Fark ABCs.

Writing a book that collects 'evidence' to support a straw man isn't a theory. It is farking stupid. It was nothing more than a tired rehashing of all the right-wing nonsense from 2008 and only emphasizes that the right-wing has NOTHING to run on 4 years later.

No. You're stupid for dismissing it outright and for incorrectly believing that there are no other issues (extremely important issues, BTW, that are indicative of gross deficiencies in Obama's performance) at play in this election.


Perhaps that is what they should have made a film about then, instead of 90 minutes of Ayers, Wright, anti-colonialism, rejection of 'american exceptionalism' and every other putrid bit of rhetorical nonsense that we heard nonstop 4 years ago. Or perhaps a film about Romney's campaign and his platform and policy positions and how they differ from Obama and why they are better. Of course that's impossible since Romney's policies are either exactly the same as Obama's or, when they are different, completely undefined. But no, instead you get pseudo-psychological 'theories' about how Obama's absentee father somehow was a great influence on the strawman that Obama hates America.
 
2012-09-22 12:05:40 PM  

LobsterSausage: Ted Koppel is that rare breed of journalist that still believes in reporting facts. Ed Murrow would be proud.


This.

PreMortem: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

That's called a delusion Bill.


Also: Osama Bin Laden thought the same thing right before a bullet went through his head.

cman: Hyperpartisanship sucks.

It does.


That. If Buckley were still around, he'd look at Republicans as a whole and say "this isn't 'conservatism', it's facism...and I don't support facism."
 
2012-09-22 12:07:33 PM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


Hey, newsflash for ya: Reality has a liberal bias.

Sucks to be you and about 40 million other delusional people.
 
2012-09-22 12:07:46 PM  
What? No Ted Koppel animated .gif kiss yet?



/Fark's slippin'
 
2012-09-22 12:13:10 PM  

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts

Harry_Seldon: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power.
Feel free to post a link to the last hard interview the left did with Obama.


Why...Univision's talk with him this past week.

/Of course, you'd have to know Español to understand
//Unless you're one of the TP types who hate any language other than "'merican"
 
2012-09-22 12:13:57 PM  

CSM101: Ted Koppel is a waffle.

/obscure?


No. Took long enough to show up here, though :)
 
2012-09-22 12:14:17 PM  

Dakai: I farking love it! I so Miss Koppel


NBC News should just let him anchor Election Night coverage. He'd have the perfect demeanor for it.
 
2012-09-22 12:15:59 PM  

logieal: ".. and once upon a time you and I actually thought journalism was a calling"

When I was younger, in high school and such, I thought I wanted to go into the news industry. Even went to college for it and spent several years studying and working hard to try and attain this goal.

However, once I got a real look at how the news industry was changing around the turn of the century, I realized that it wasn't about gathering facts and reporting on things that were actually newsworthy, rather than pushing some sort of agenda or message or simply ratings. It was a complete rat race. Whoever had the better story or the better package got the better block in the news.

If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.

I grew up listening to Koppel, Brokaw, and the like for national news. They reported on things that mattered. I'm not saying that there weren't news scandals such as faked reports of vehicles exploding, which were actually unsafe, but at least they would come back and admit they farked up.

I have a lot of friends still in the news industry who don't mind running the rat race, but I know that they aren't happy, but they didn't have another field to go to like I did.


Amen.

\you should try giving them nice new HD toys, and watching them make 1080i crap with it
\\it really gives you Job Satisfaction, let me tell you
 
2012-09-22 12:17:27 PM  

buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?


When the big corporations started thinking about "ratings" they dropped that whole "journalistic integrity" down the nearest trash chute they can find. This is why John Stewart is the most respected man in news right now.

/and it's sad
 
2012-09-22 12:18:09 PM  

thenewmissus: randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.

This^ is how you know he's a Fox News supporter. Fox viewers honestly believe that their news source is the only credible and legitimate news source around. When you are that brainwashed, there is no going back without professional treatment. It feels like watching your brother or sister follow a Jim Jones cult and not being able to do anything about it.


The irony being, they keep saying that *we're* the ones "drinking the Kool-Aid."
 
2012-09-22 12:20:05 PM  

theknuckler_33: lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: theknuckler_33: lantawa: Excellent mythical insertion. Poser. Typical of what Koppel was delineating. Bad form, dude.....

Why did you kill that woman in 1990?

Mythical insertion? Really?

Link

Yes. Really. If you don't know the difference between a plausible, well-considered and doument-supported theory and an outright lying (though sorta humorous) troll, then you need to go back to Fark nursery school to learn your Fark ABCs.

Writing a book that collects 'evidence' to support a straw man isn't a theory. It is farking stupid. It was nothing more than a tired rehashing of all the right-wing nonsense from 2008 and only emphasizes that the right-wing has NOTHING to run on 4 years later.

No. You're stupid for dismissing it outright and for incorrectly believing that there are no other issues (extremely important issues, BTW, that are indicative of gross deficiencies in Obama's performance) at play in this election.

Perhaps that is what they should have made a film about then, instead of 90 minutes of Ayers, Wright, anti-colonialism, rejection of 'american exceptionalism' and every other putrid bit of rhetorical nonsense that we heard nonstop 4 years ago. Or perhaps a film about Romney's campaign and his platform and policy positions and how they differ from Obama and why they are better. Of course that's impossible since Romney's policies are either exactly the same as Obama's or, when they are different, completely undefined. But no, instead you get pseudo-psychological 'theories' about how Obama's absentee father somehow was a great influence on the strawman that Obama hates America.


You know, Danny that this will go on...forever..and ever....and ever.....

i466.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-22 12:20:06 PM  

randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.


If all you hear on most of the channels is what the right wants you to hear, so you decide *as a service* to also tell people whet the *left* wants you to hear (or God help you, what the actual *truth* may be) then you're automatically a leftist mouthpiece?

What a sad world you have created for yourself.
 
2012-09-22 12:20:19 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thenewmissus: randomjsa: I knew I could count on "ratings don't matter" people to show up. That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news. So I'm guessing that ratings only "don't matter" when you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges.

Beyond that I expected, and got, the usual 'Well Fox is bad and biased... but lalalala I can't hear you when you suggest any left wing outlets are biased'. Fox isn't as biased as MSNBC, and you know it. It might be as biased as CNN, but to deny that CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC/ABC shill for the left while whining about Fox shilling for the right makes you look like a fool.

By the way, going on about Freepers, or American Thinker, or whatever while swallowing whole sale the garbage from kos, TPM, or Think Progress makes you look even more foolish.

This^ is how you know he's a Fox News supporter. Fox viewers honestly believe that their news source is the only credible and legitimate news source around. When you are that brainwashed, there is no going back without professional treatment. It feels like watching your brother or sister follow a Jim Jones cult and not being able to do anything about it.

The irony being, they keep saying that *we're* the ones "drinking the Kool-Aid."


More like 'projection', but 'irony' works too. :)
 
2012-09-22 12:26:50 PM  

my lip balm addiction: Just out of curiousity, WTF is a Fire Bagger.


I had to look it up, but it's apparently a term of derision (based on the left-leaning and sometimes hypercritical blog Firedoglake) for nominal left-wingers who feel Obama isn't doing enough to bring forth the Liberal Rapture. It's basically the left-wing equivalent of right-wingers who can't or won't compromise or don't understand or appreciate the complexities of democracy on a large scale. And yes, they totally deserve each other.
 
2012-09-22 12:30:49 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: my lip balm addiction: Just out of curiousity, WTF is a Fire Bagger.

I had to look it up, but it's apparently a term of derision (based on the left-leaning and sometimes hypercritical blog Firedoglake) for nominal left-wingers who feel Obama isn't doing enough to bring forth the Liberal Rapture. It's basically the left-wing equivalent of right-wingers who can't or won't compromise or don't understand or appreciate the complexities of democracy on a large scale. And yes, they totally deserve each other.


You know, THIS!

/Seriously
//Proudly call myself a Progressive Liberal
///But some of my brethren must've drunk the TP Flavor-Aid
////Because they think of real dumb shiat
 
2012-09-22 12:30:59 PM  

Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.


This is the essential problem with may of the personalities on Fox News (and FBN). Take Stuart Varney. He used to be a hell of an business/economy reporter. I threw up in my mout a little the other day when he came on and started spewing the partisan pablum that is the Fox (Republican) Party line. What it really shows me is that most of the "journalists" are really just whores up for the highest bidder. They will roll over and suck the d*ck of whoever it takes if it means more money. Sickening. Fox news is the worst, but not the only, offender. This is why I still watch PBS news hour, and watch CBS this morning with Charlie Rose. 60 minutes rocks for the most part. Anderson Cooper has his moments.
 
2012-09-22 12:52:17 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.

O'Reilly's a special case, so I don't think your very reasoned case applies to him. Bill's a victim of child abuse, and his adult and professional life is a sad and sometimes disturbing display of a man trying daily to exorcise demons that will not stop haunting him. It's got almost nothing to do with politics.


Occasionally I've watched his show, and it in no way resembles what ppl like you in this thread are saying.

This long-winded character assassination of any public govt or media figure that isnt left wing just makes your side look like whiny little biatches flinging poo. Im sorry but that is an accurate description of what you guys look like when you post stuff like this.
Q.E.D.
 
2012-09-22 12:54:55 PM  

RyansPrivates: Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.

This is the essential problem with may of the personalities on Fox News (and FBN). Take Stuart Varney. He used to be a hell of an business/economy reporter. I threw up in my mout a little the other day when he came on and started spewing the partisan pablum that is the Fox (Republican) Party line. What it really shows me is that most of the "journalists" are really just whores up for the highest bidder. They will roll over and suck the d*ck of whoever it takes if it means more money. Sickening. Fox news is the worst, but not the only, offender. This is why I still watch PBS news hour, and watch CBS this morning with Charlie Rose. 60 minutes rocks for the most part. Anderson Cooper has his moments.


You need to consider the possibility that your left-wing brethren have descended into intellectually bankrupt insanity, and that is why people you used to respect are railing against them.
 
2012-09-22 12:59:24 PM  
Any news orginisation with Maddow on

Hobodeluxe: I think it's great that MSNBC is now pulling in ratings equal to or exceeding Fox now. Maddow is giving Hannity a run for his money. Sometimes beating his ratings.


That's great to hear. Her's is the one show I watch on a regular basis. Any organisation with her around bears no resemblance to Fox news.
 
2012-09-22 01:05:13 PM  

Animatronik: RyansPrivates: Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.

This is the essential problem with may of the personalities on Fox News (and FBN). Take Stuart Varney. He used to be a hell of an business/economy reporter. I threw up in my mout a little the other day when he came on and started spewing the partisan pablum that is the Fox (Republican) Party line. What it really shows me is that most of the "journalists" are really just whores up for the highest bidder. They will roll over and suck the d*ck of whoever it takes if it means more money. Sickening. Fox news is the worst, but not the only, offender. This is why I still watch PBS news hour, and watch CBS this morning with Charlie Rose. 60 minutes rocks for the most part. Anderson Cooper has his moments.

You need to consider the possibility that your left-wing brethren have descended into intellectually bankrupt insanity, and that is why people you used to respect are railing against them.


Animatro, attacking someone isn't going to make your views that much more credible

In my immediate family we have very polarizing views on the current political attitudes.
In the south we say "In polite company never discus politics or religion"
Listening to someone tell you why your views on politics is wrong is like:

Being preached to and being told why your belief and faith in God is not correct.
It's that personnel and sacred
 
2012-09-22 01:49:41 PM  

CSM101: Ted Koppel is a waffle.

/obscure?


Go back to bed, Opus. The anxiety closet is waiting for you.
 
2012-09-22 02:10:42 PM  

mr.Curmudgeon: What? No Ted Koppel animated .gif kiss yet?



/Fark's slippin'


Thy will be done. 
 
2012-09-22 02:12:09 PM  

Superjoe: Hey Bill, if you are going to let someone else have the last word you have to SHUT THE FARK UP.


I was hoping that Ted would so enrage Bill (by talking calmly and rationally) that BillO would have cut Koppel's mike.
 
2012-09-22 02:13:07 PM  

Rwa2play: That. If Buckley were still around, he'd look at Republicans as a whole and say "this isn't 'conservatism', it's facism...and I don't support facism."


Oh please, knock off the bald-faced Buckley worship. He was as much a frothing right-winger as any noteworthy Fox News personality, and brought about as much to the national political dialogue. He was instrumental in running the Rockefeller Republicans out of the GOP, kicking off the hard rightward slide over the next half-century, was a major proponent of the Southern strategy, and the forebear of the ridiculous politics of our day.

The only vestiges or appearance of "moderation" or "reason" the man had were attached to being a man of his times, in which news was still news and the media actually served as a check on politicians opposed to corporate campaign mouthpieces. Had he been born fifty years later, he'd be right there with Hannity, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly.
 
2012-09-22 02:22:13 PM  

impaler: impaler: If I was were born 5 year earlier,

Case in point. If the "in demand" talent was were mastery of the English language, I would be on skid row.


True that! 
/Check out the subjunctive case sometime when you are bored. If you were born a generation ago, it might feel more natural to you.
 
2012-09-22 02:22:22 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Rwa2play: That. If Buckley were still around, he'd look at Republicans as a whole and say "this isn't 'conservatism', it's facism...and I don't support facism."

Oh please, knock off the bald-faced Buckley worship. He was as much a frothing right-winger as any noteworthy Fox News personality, and brought about as much to the national political dialogue. He was instrumental in running the Rockefeller Republicans out of the GOP, kicking off the hard rightward slide over the next half-century, was a major proponent of the Southern strategy, and the forebear of the ridiculous politics of our day.

The only vestiges or appearance of "moderation" or "reason" the man had were attached to being a man of his times, in which news was still news and the media actually served as a check on politicians opposed to corporate campaign mouthpieces. Had he been born fifty years later, he'd be right there with Hannity, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly.


Here's the thing: You could've made a similar argument about Goldwater in '64. By the 90s even he was like "WTF?!" with Republicans.
 
2012-09-22 02:27:33 PM  

MayoSlather: I've seen Bill pull the ole appeal to the masses fallacy before....if millions watch us then how can it be wrong? Which is intellectually dishonest on his part. He knows that's not a valid point, but he also knows his audience is willing to bite on it, so he runs with it.



What was great was that Koppel was waiting for that argument and BillO - true to form - walked right into Koppel's trap.
 
2012-09-22 02:29:13 PM  

my lip balm addiction: johne3819: Fox news is best news

Since that is the 1st comment I have ever seen from you and it is about as stupid as stupid gets, I am getting rid of you so I never have to read any of your bullshiat ever again.


You're not that new here. Did you really not get the joke?
 
2012-09-22 02:32:41 PM  

randomjsa: That's funny, this is the website that I've seen bragging more than once about the ratings of the Daily show when compared to Fox news.



It's always funny when you make shiat up, isn't it?
 
2012-09-22 02:32:44 PM  

my lip balm addiction: Just out of curiousity, WTF is a Fire Bagger.


Professional left - i.e. Firedoglake
 
2012-09-22 02:36:41 PM  

Animatronik: whiny little biatches flinging poo.



Why yes, that does accuracy describe you conservative fark trolls

/what happened? The new wave of trolls is just downright pathetic. I guess everyone else has quit their pr firms after watching the colossal failure that is the GOP melt down on itself.
 
2012-09-22 02:36:58 PM  

tudorgurl: Hanky: Remember when there was a concerted effort to separate editorial and news, that it was ostensibly the most important aspect of journalism to avoid an agenda setting function? Fark those were good times

That is what I stress to my journalism and English students - the difference between opinion and fact. They do not get taught the difference at all, even though it's buried in our standards. As a matter of fact, we're about to get into a discussion/paper about privacy laws and how they have changed over the last thirty years. We've just finished reading Bradbury's "The Pedestrian" and we're going to apply journalistic principles and debate the topic. They're going to research the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the COPA, and other privacy laws that have been passed in the last few decades. Then, they will debate the pros and cons of each using the Joe Friday technique - they must use facts from unbiased sources to support their opinions.

It's gonna be awesome!


My father took it further than that when he was an earth science professor, offering an object lesson in how even undisputed and objective facts can disagree, depending on sources. He'd assign a simple question, such as finding out the last time a certain volcano erupted, and require *three* different sources. (This is the same minimum standard as used by the most respected journalists.) What they'd find is that equally reliable sources would often disagree, depending on what a given source knew and when. The same is true with most other facts: What's objectively factual can vary with perspective of time, distance, and other factors. The challenge for information consumers, then, is to be smart about evaluating sources -- and, I'd forcefully argue, to never accept a single source, no matter how reliable, as the last and final word on anything. The BBC makes mistakes, too.
 
2012-09-22 02:38:30 PM  

Animatronik: the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.


What exactly would you cut?
 
2012-09-22 02:38:45 PM  

cman: Hyperpartisanship sucks.

It does.


So, what? That's reality. That's our society. Do something to resolve it if you can be bothered.
 
2012-09-22 02:42:55 PM  

Graffito: Animatronik: the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.

What exactly would you cut?



NPR, Planned Parenthood, Welfare, Food Stamps.

Problem... SOLVED
 
2012-09-22 02:54:00 PM  

intelligent comment below: NPR, Planned Parenthood, Welfare, Food Stamps.

Problem... SOLVED


Notsureifserious
 
2012-09-22 02:54:31 PM  

Hamilstan: buntz: Long thread, but here's my question, and I'm being serious, if naive:

When did opinions at ALL have anything to do with reporting the news?

Shouldn't the news be reporting on what happened?

There was a fire today.
The president spoke in Cleveland today.
A little boy got lost today.

I keep hearing about journalistic integrity but shouldn't anchors just be "reporting" the news?

Impossible, unless said anchor only provides a transcript of the president's speech. Otherwise, the anchor (or a producer) must decide which parts to report, which parts to leave out, which part of the story to lead with, etc. That means exercising judgment. And that cannot be done impartially.

The whole notion of "impartial" reporting of news is a fallacy, a pipe-dream. Just deciding which stories to cover, or even which words to use, inserts the reporter's judgment into the story.


Just to pile on...what buntz describes isn't journalism, it's stenography. It is absolutely and historically the journalist's job to provide context for what's happening (the "why" part of the job). That can be done with varying degrees of bias, naturally, and a good journalist keeps their biases under control as best they can.

Think of it this way: the raw news (what, where, when, who, how) is merely data. The "why" part, or basic context and analysis, turns the data into information. That's what the press is supposed to supply. It's up to the viewer to integrate that info into their world concept so that they can make informed decisions, but the viewer can't do their part if they're only given raw materials. It would be silly to ask them to, just like it would be silly if I bought a couch and the furniture store shipped me 200 pounds of wood, metal, cloth, and dacron.
 
2012-09-22 02:55:35 PM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


You're an ignorant piece of shiat.
 
2012-09-22 03:02:21 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.

so you both feel it is okay to vandalize someone's property and you both have no respect for the people who stay in the room after you mess with the televisions. What are you 12 years old


Hey, at least I'm batting better than half a greenlight per year. Heh, kids are so cute sometimes.
 
2012-09-22 03:11:57 PM  

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts

Harry_Seldon: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

This is why you fail. Journalism's function is a check on power.
Feel free to post a link to the last hard interview the left did with Obama.


Jon Stewart interview Obama in 2010
 
2012-09-22 03:13:49 PM  

Waldo Pepper: best way is to listen to both sides.


"Both sides" is a mythological dichotomy. There are never only two sides to anything; that's a manufactured contrivance, a natural consequence of the human instint for bifurcation, nothing else. Look at the world around you and look for such parings, and you'll see them everywhere -- black/white, gay/straight, rich/poor, conservative/liberal, and many more. Almost all of them are not the reality.

More, if you only get "both sides" from one medium, you're still taking in only a very narrow range of views.
 
2012-09-22 03:19:35 PM  

Rwa2play: Here's the thing: You could've made a similar argument about Goldwater in '64. By the 90s even he was like "WTF?!" with Republicans.


I can make that same argument vis-a-vis Goldwater, and I do. That doesn't change fact they started this litmus/purity test, race to the right, embrace your worst elements, garbage of today's Republican party, and played an instrumental role in crafting the political dialog and narrative of today. This is their bed, and that they were later horrified by their political chimera of misplaced anger, victim culture, religious zealotry, hatred, and ignorance, changes not a goddamn bit of it.
 
2012-09-22 03:51:14 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Rwa2play: Here's the thing: You could've made a similar argument about Goldwater in '64. By the 90s even he was like "WTF?!" with Republicans.

I can make that same argument vis-a-vis Goldwater, and I do. That doesn't change fact they started this litmus/purity test, race to the right, embrace your worst elements, garbage of today's Republican party, and played an instrumental role in crafting the political dialog and narrative of today. This is their bed, and that they were later horrified by their political chimera of misplaced anger, victim culture, religious zealotry, hatred, and ignorance, changes not a goddamn bit of it.


You're correct. Take a look at the rise of the Birch Society and how the establishment Republicans crushed it because it was going to lead to radicalism.
 
2012-09-22 04:16:27 PM  

floor: You're correct. Take a look at the rise of the Birch Society and how the establishment Republicans crushed it because it was going to lead to radicalism.


The JBS by-and-large backed Goldwater, you know.

And no, the mainstream Republicans of the 1960s went after the Birch Society because they were paleoconservatives, not because they were further on the left-right spectrum than they. The Birchers were strongly non-interventionist, some isolationist, and that didn't cotton well with the rise of neoconservatism, which Buckley championed and personified. Moreover, the JBS and its leaders had made some very damaging gaffes during the Kennedy administration (like, for example, accusing Eisenhower of Communism), after which throwing them under the bus was the best form of damage control available to mainstream Republicans.

Additionally, the Birchers had strong support in the South, heavily endorsing opposition to civil rights and antisemitism. That, in turn, threatened any long-term inroads the Republican party hoped to make in the South. Defeating the Birchers on the national stage was key to bringing the South into the GOP fold, something Buckley heavily endorsed.
 
2012-09-22 04:49:46 PM  

Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing


Ooh, I got this.

Left-wing (adj)
1. Anything that isn't explicitly right-wing
2. Anything that criticizes a conservative policy or personality
3. Any person defined as such, for any reason, by someone of a conservative persuasion.
 
2012-09-22 05:20:08 PM  
I'm not sure what's more depressing about that discussion - listening to O'Reilly admit that he's a salesman, not a journalist, or listening to Koppel try and explain the difference to that smug fool.
 
2012-09-22 05:21:35 PM  

Aaron Haynes: Ooh, I got this.


Suggested tuning to point two: the proactive step of being critical isn't a requirement. Objective, passive reporting of any negative news without the mandatory double-plus-good wrapper is enough.
 
2012-09-22 05:38:10 PM  
It's simple math. There are, unfortunately, more stupid people than smart people. More people with an IQ of 100 than those of 120 or higher. If you cater to stupidity, you will have a higher market share. It's the scary part of democracy. Eventually, political parties will have to promise free cable or mobile homes to win. Hey, free cable.
 
2012-09-22 05:50:06 PM  

that bosnian sniper: floor: You're correct. Take a look at the rise of the Birch Society and how the establishment Republicans crushed it because it was going to lead to radicalism.

The JBS by-and-large backed Goldwater, you know.

And no, the mainstream Republicans of the 1960s went after the Birch Society because they were paleoconservatives, not because they were further on the left-right spectrum than they. The Birchers were strongly non-interventionist, some isolationist, and that didn't cotton well with the rise of neoconservatism, which Buckley championed and personified. Moreover, the JBS and its leaders had made some very damaging gaffes during the Kennedy administration (like, for example, accusing Eisenhower of Communism), after which throwing them under the bus was the best form of damage control available to mainstream Republicans.

Additionally, the Birchers had strong support in the South, heavily endorsing opposition to civil rights and antisemitism. That, in turn, threatened any long-term inroads the Republican party hoped to make in the South. Defeating the Birchers on the national stage was key to bringing the South into the GOP fold, something Buckley heavily endorsed.


Buckley started off in JBS, didn't he, or am I confusing him with someone else. It's true that the national swing towards center in the 1960's required the mainstream GOP to disavow their hard-hard right components like Birch; but I thought they were instrumental in the creation of modern conservative thinking.
 
2012-09-22 05:58:59 PM  
The news died for me the night Walter Cronkite retired.
 
2012-09-22 06:26:50 PM  

Foundling: When is this "hard news" from 9am to 5pm that Bill talks about going to start?

Bill's "you can't stay on top with a dishonest product; it's impossible" (or to that effect; I'm not his transcriber) is a statement that is false about Fox's existence.


Seriously. He said a dishonest or inferior product can never stay as #1. Well, I think McDonalds is pretty universally agreed to be inferior to any number of nice sit-down restaurants, but Mickey D's is #1.
 
2012-09-22 06:55:58 PM  

lohphat: The news died for me the night Walter Cronkite retired.


I still miss NBC News Overnight with Linda Ellerbee.

*sigh*

And so it goes.
 
2012-09-22 07:36:25 PM  

Graffito: Animatronik: the impending fiscal crisis that must be addressed now through spending cuts.

What exactly would you cut?


Congress pensions and salaries. It's supposed to be a public service, not a damn career.

Of course, I'm a uninformed Texas independent... so take that with a grain of salt.

/I might let them keep the healthcare benefits... if they don't gripe too much.
 
2012-09-22 07:38:02 PM  

RminusQ: Foundling: When is this "hard news" from 9am to 5pm that Bill talks about going to start?

Bill's "you can't stay on top with a dishonest product; it's impossible" (or to that effect; I'm not his transcriber) is a statement that is false about Fox's existence.

Seriously. He said a dishonest or inferior product can never stay as #1. Well, I think McDonalds is pretty universally agreed to be inferior to any number of nice sit-down restaurants, but Mickey D's is #1.


Hm, that's only partially true. McD's is inferior to even Olive Garden as a sit-down restaurant; but it's vastly superior to most fast-food joints. Anyway, the metric people use to go to fast-food places is different than the one they use for real restaurants. At a restaurant, you want good food and service. For fast food, you want economy and reliability. Apples and oranges, really.
 
2012-09-22 07:42:41 PM  

Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV


*Internet fist bump*

I love that, thank you!
 
2012-09-22 07:48:35 PM  

YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.


unfortunately true. anybody who isn't Hilter is now considered 'left wing;
 
2012-09-22 08:45:36 PM  

jso2897: cman: Hyperpartisanship sucks.

It does.

Fox news, and what passes for "conservatism" in America today sucks rancid pig shiat too, son - and we all know it, including you.


Did I make any statement to the contrary?
 
2012-09-22 09:41:13 PM  

Emposter: "But I still think I'm dong something noble"

O'Reilly is greedy and evil, but I don't believe he's an idiot. I believe that he consciously knows the facts and truths of the subjects he reports and comments on, which means he is fully aware that what virtually all of what he says on the air is either direct lies or intentionally misleading. He knows damn well he's not doing anything noble, but he also knows damn well that he has to SAY what he is doing is noble in order to preserve his viewership.


This.

Also, last minute and a half is pure SNAP in a can.
 
2012-09-22 09:59:00 PM  
Fox continues to serve up heapin' helpin's of confirmation bias because it's not a violation of FCC laws or regulations to lie. (warning: case law)

/has an FCC license
//wouldn't lie to you
//Unless I'm obviously yanking your chain for funsies
 
2012-09-22 10:54:43 PM  

Foundling: When is this "hard news" from 9am to 5pm that Bill talks about going to start?

Bill's "you can't stay on top with a dishonest product; it's impossible" (or to that effect; I'm not his transcriber) is a statement that is false about Fox's existence.


Well lets see.
9am-11am "America's Newsroom". Where they bring on guest from *both sides* in order to discuss the news of the day. They shout down the person of the other side and are consistently rude to that person, and generally find a fairly week person from the left anyways.
This isn't "hard news" hard news shouldn't need a left and right "both sides" discussion. This is an advanced version of CrossFire.
11am-1pm "Happening Now". From what I've seen, mostly news, but still with a conservative bent like everything there.
1pm-3pm "America Live with Megyn Kelly" . Yeah Megyn Kelly bends everything crazy right.
3pm-4pm "Studio B with Shepard Smith". Shepard Smith is fairly neutral, I'll give them this one.
4pm - 5pm "Your World with Neil Cavuto" Has such great neutral programming such as "Cost of Freedom Analysis" which discusses how great the conservative free market would help our economy and how socialism will destroy our country.
 
2012-09-22 11:23:26 PM  
Millions of viewers doesn't make your point valid or true. It just means all the idiots have congregated in the same place at the same time. Herds do the same thing.
 
2012-09-22 11:33:57 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Rwa2play: Here's the thing: You could've made a similar argument about Goldwater in '64. By the 90s even he was like "WTF?!" with Republicans.

I can make that same argument vis-a-vis Goldwater, and I do. That doesn't change fact they started this litmus/purity test, race to the right, embrace your worst elements, garbage of today's Republican party, and played an instrumental role in crafting the political dialog and narrative of today. This is their bed, and that they were later horrified by their political chimera of misplaced anger, victim culture, religious zealotry, hatred, and ignorance, changes not a goddamn bit of it.


Oh I agree with you about that. The fact that they were willing to let the zealots take over doesn't excuse them at all.
 
2012-09-23 12:29:04 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: logieal: If you got a story in the A or even the top of the B block, you were golden. But if your story didn't mesh with whatever the producer or the owners of the station wanted, your story was lucky to make the kicker. It didn't matter if you had footage of someone punting a puppy off of an overpass, if somehow your story pissed of the producer or ND, your ass was grass and would end up doing pet stories.

"Hey boss, I've got a huge lead on a story that could shake the very foundations of American politics, but it will take months of investigative journalism in order to get all of the facts in order."

"That's great, but Lindsay Lohan just crashed her car again. Head out to Sunset and ask some morons for their opinions Find some tweets about it and turn them into a slideshow."


FTFY
 
2012-09-23 01:58:58 AM  

Waldo Pepper: mscleo: Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.

so you both feel it is okay to vandalize someone's property and you both have no respect for the people who stay in the room after you mess with the televisions. What are you 12 years old

While childish, it's not exactly vandalism.

The tv's aren't destroyed and can be reprogrammed easily.

but why should the hotel have to spend time reprogramming the television due to your abuse and you wanting to feel superior to those who don't agree with your news choice.


Get over yourself, dude. I used to be chief of maintenance in a hotel, and this is nothing compared to a lot of what we dealt with. Nothing got broken or had to be repaired or replaced. I would have found this amusing.

Also, learn to use your shift key. You might get treated more like a grown-up if you act like one.
 
2012-09-23 03:00:56 AM  

WordyGrrl: Fox continues to serve up heapin' helpin's of confirmation bias because it's not a violation of FCC laws or regulations to lie. (warning: case law)

/has an FCC license
//wouldn't lie to you
//Unless I'm obviously yanking your chain for funsies


You're correct as far as you go, in that it has indeed been ruled by a court of law that deliberate lying, in and of itself, is not currently addressable under the Title 47. (This is not a blanket leniency, however, as *some* forms of lying *are* illegal or otherwise forbidden under the laws or R&R.) All the same, I find your wording curious. Technically, nothing can be against "FCC laws" since there aren't any. The FCC is a regulatory agency empowered to develop and implement policy within the laws prescribed to it by Congress, as ruled by federal courts.

Just exactly what kind of "FCC license" do you hold?
 
2012-09-23 03:07:02 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.

so you both feel it is okay to vandalize someone's property and you both have no respect for the people who stay in the room after you mess with the televisions. What are you 12 years old

Hey, at least I'm batting better than half a greenlight per year. Heh, kids are so cute sometimes.

and this greenlight batting average is important, why?


It's not. I only said it because I don't respect you.
 
2012-09-23 03:18:00 AM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2012-09-23 03:59:09 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Still the best bit of pwn to ever hit the Spin Cycle Cartel:

Link


I like how when they're asking him which candidate would give him better material, and part of his answer is "it'd be hard to top this group" in terms of the absurdity being provided for material. If he only knew what he was inviting with those words...
 
2012-09-23 08:52:31 AM  
Millions of people read and watched Twilight...........

OMG THERE ARE REALLY SPARKLY VAMPIRES IN THE WORLD!?!?!

His little kiss at the end if PRICELESS!
 
2012-09-23 10:05:29 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Waldo Pepper: mscleo: Waldo Pepper: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Bocasio: namatad: Makh: So Fox is trying to say that MSNBC is bad for being partisan while being partisan themselves because it's good business. Wouldn't it cut into their business if MSNBC went conservative too? Bet FOX would actually hate that.

LOL very good point. Only further proving his hypocrisy.

I can say this with pride now. I worked for an engineering company every week I could be in several different cities and fly back home by the weekend. Hilton honors and Priority clubs BS.

I always carried a programmable TV remote and what ever hotel I stayed in I would delete Foxnews from the TV

I applaud your industry, but I do not condone censorship of anyone. When I had one of those, I used to just *rename* the channels.

so you both feel it is okay to vandalize someone's property and you both have no respect for the people who stay in the room after you mess with the televisions. What are you 12 years old

While childish, it's not exactly vandalism.

The tv's aren't destroyed and can be reprogrammed easily.

but why should the hotel have to spend time reprogramming the television due to your abuse and you wanting to feel superior to those who don't agree with your news choice.

Get over yourself, dude. I used to be chief of maintenance in a hotel, and this is nothing compared to a lot of what we dealt with. Nothing got broken or had to be repaired or replaced. I would have found this amusing.

Also, learn to use your shift key. You might get treated more like a grown-up if you act like one.

The point is still someone had to spend time fixing the lack of respect for respect for other's property. You might have found it amusing, but any amount of time spent fixing the remote is an inconvenience to the guest and the staff.

yes it is childish.


This might come as a huge surprise to you, but not everyone's asshole is as tight as yours.

I see you're getting better with the shift key, though, which is good.
 
2012-09-23 12:00:20 PM  
The free market of news consumerism. Where you selectively watch the news that reinforces what you already knew.
 
2012-09-23 02:43:11 PM  
Reality is a product to be repackaged for safe consumption by idiots. Fox News is so PC.
 
2012-09-23 03:07:33 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: WordyGrrl: Fox continues to serve up heapin' helpin's of confirmation bias because it's not a violation of FCC laws or regulations to lie. (warning: case law)

/has an FCC license
//wouldn't lie to you
//Unless I'm obviously yanking your chain for funsies

You're correct as far as you go, in that it has indeed been ruled by a court of law that deliberate lying, in and of itself, is not currently addressable under the Title 47. (This is not a blanket leniency, however, as *some* forms of lying *are* illegal or otherwise forbidden under the laws or R&R.) All the same, I find your wording curious. Technically, nothing can be against "FCC laws" since there aren't any. The FCC is a regulatory agency empowered to develop and implement policy within the laws prescribed to it by Congress, as ruled by federal courts.

Just exactly what kind of "FCC license" do you hold?


You're right. I was using "laws" too loosely in an attempt to get a concept across. The FCC does have some legal authority in the sense that it can impose fines for violations of its regulations, on the violator him/herself and/or the station owner/operator. It is against FCC policy to lie, but it is not a fine-able offense. Fox's arguing for the right to lie or mislead is sleazy in itself, particularly for a company that wants to call itself a "news" organization.

/My FCC license? It's a commercial radio broadcasting license (FCC 753L) "issued in conformity with Paragraphs 3454 and 3945 of the Radio Regulations, Geneva 1987, and is valid for the lifetime of the holder unless suspended by the FCC." I'd post a pic, but it has my real name on it and frankly, it's not a very flashy-looking card. The FCC doesn't even give you any personal ID number on it, either.
 
2012-09-23 03:13:28 PM  
If you have to insist publicly that you're doing something noble, you probably aren't.

"I'm doing this as a community service, out of the kindness of my heart and not for any crass monetary reward or fame. I'm an honest-to-God hero and if you don't believe me you can take it up with Jesus, who rides in my carpool every morning. This isn't just me blowing smoke up my own ass, people genuinely appreciate the valuable contributions and tough sacrifices I make each and every day for the truth."
 
2012-09-23 03:39:00 PM  
Christ's sake, Bill. You don't try to dictate to Ted F-ing Koppel what TV journalism is or should be without getting taken apart like tinker toys. Would you correct Stephen Hawking on black holes? Lecture Dale Chihuly on artistic technique?

Where's the humility? Look at his career, and his books. And then look at yours. And then shut your pie-hole and try to learn something from the man.
 
2012-09-23 03:46:31 PM  

WordyGrrl: FCC 753L


Ah, my bad there. I forgot that the 753 is still required for commercial terrestrial operators. I never worked in commericial, and the NCE requirement was dropped in the '90s (forget exactly when now).
 
2012-09-23 09:48:24 PM  

eggrolls: Millions of viewers doesn't make your point valid or true. It just means all the idiots have congregated in the same place at the same time. Herds do the same thing.


That argument made me roll my eyes. I'd American Idol has the highest ratings, that means it features the most talented people in America? Fox has the highest ratings, therefore everything said is credible and true? O'Reilly better rethink booking heavyweights like Koppel.
 
2012-09-24 03:58:27 AM  
It's called argumentum ad populum and it's a fallacy of logic Bill, not a proof of competency.
 
2012-09-24 09:43:37 AM  

T-Boy: eggrolls: Millions of viewers doesn't make your point valid or true. It just means all the idiots have congregated in the same place at the same time. Herds do the same thing.

That argument made me roll my eyes. I'd American Idol has the highest ratings, that means it features the most talented people in America? Fox has the highest ratings, therefore everything said is credible and true? O'Reilly better rethink booking heavyweights like Koppel.


Are you sure you read my comment correctly? And all the way through?
 
2012-09-24 11:38:27 PM  

sandbar67: Mixolydian Master: YELLOL: And Koppel actually believes he isn't pushing a left wing agenda.

Define: Left wing

It's the port side of a bird.


A bird needs both wings working together in order to fly.
 
2012-09-24 11:58:00 PM  

Hobodeluxe: I think it's great that MSNBC is now pulling in ratings equal to or exceeding Fox now. Maddow is giving Hannity a run for his money. Sometimes beating his ratings.


Which means nothing. Ratings do not equal journalism. Or factual information.

We need intelligent discourse, which has evidently been banned by all major news outlets.
 
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