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(Salon)   Lynyrd Skynyrd will stop flying the Confederate flag at its shows, as it's suddenly become a symbol of racism   (salon.com) divider line 60
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2012-09-21 10:20:55 PM  
don't you mean 'his' shows?
 
2012-09-21 10:23:18 PM  
"Suddenly"?
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-21 10:23:22 PM  
Lynyrd Skynyrd died in a plane crash. At least for me.
 
2012-09-21 10:32:45 PM  
The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.

In the conflict thus far, success has been on our side, complete throughout the length and breadth of the Confederate States. It is upon this, as I have stated, our social fabric is firmly planted; and I cannot permit myself to doubt the ultimate success of a full recognition of this principle throughout the civilized and enlightened world.

As I have stated, the truth of this principle may be slow in development, as all truths are and ever have been, in the various branches of science. It was so with the principles announced by Galileo it was so with Adam Smith and his principles of political economy. It was so with Harvey, and his theory of the circulation of the blood. It is stated that not a single one of the medical profession, living at the time of the announcement of the truths made by him, admitted them. Now, they are universally acknowledged. May we not, therefore, look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgment of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made "one star to differ from another star in glory." The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders "is become the chief of the corner" the real "corner-stone" in our new edifice. I have been asked, what of the future? It has been apprehended by some that we would have arrayed against us the civilized world. I care not who or how many they may be against us, when we stand upon the eternal principles of truth, if we are true to ourselves and the principles for which we contend, we are obliged to, and must triumph.

Cornerstone Speech

Alexander H. Stephens
March 21, 1861
Savannah, Georgia
 
2012-09-21 10:50:11 PM  
Calling what passes for Lynyrd Skynyrd today "Lynyrd Skynyrd" is like calling the 4 great-nephews and some janitor they pulled in from backstage "The Temptations" like in all those PBS specials for old people.
 
2012-09-21 11:07:55 PM  
Someone ask Neil Young's opinion on this.
 
2012-09-22 12:29:06 AM  

bojon: Lynyrd Skynyrd died in a plane crash. At least for me.


OMG ZOMBIE SKYNYRD!!1 O_O
 
2012-09-22 01:12:29 AM  
Heh...sweet home Massachusetts.
 
2012-09-22 01:32:53 AM  
The best line I ever heard about the Confederate flag was at a Stuck Mojo concert during the Georgia state flag battle when the lead singer spoke of wasting time over a meaningless emblem then said "You can change the flag, but you will never change whats in a mans heart"
 
2012-09-22 01:33:53 AM  

bojon: Lynyrd Skynyrd died in a plane crash. At least for me.


/seconded
 
2012-09-22 01:40:26 AM  

Chariset: Someone ask Neil Young's opinion on this.


Eh. A southern man don't need him around, anyhow!

In all seriousness though, who gives a fark about the guys running around calling themselves Lynyrd Skynyrd these days? The crash was the end of that band. Neil, otoh... I'm seeing him next month at the Hollywood Bowl! Still relevant. Getting fuzzy just thinking about it.
 
2012-09-22 01:42:59 AM  
Actually they have a fine guitarist, Rickey Medlocke who was in Blackfoot. Doesn't mean I'd pay $ to go see em.

As far as racism, according to Al Kooper's book, Skynyrd were at his house and he showed them an axe that Jimi gave him. One of the guitarists picked it up, then threw it down, exclaiming "I got some n------r on me"
 
2012-09-22 01:45:34 AM  

steamingpile: The best line I ever heard about the Confederate flag was at a Stuck Mojo concert during the Georgia state flag battle when the lead singer spoke of wasting time over a meaningless emblem then said "You can change the flag, but you will never change whats in a mans heart"


The best line I've heard is (paraphasing) "Southerners love America so much they fly the flag of people who tried to destroy it"
 
2012-09-22 01:58:56 AM  
I would love for Vegas to handicap what year the Washington Redskins change their name.
 
2012-09-22 02:02:48 AM  
So they're old and irrelevant. They could have doubled down on the derp like Hank Jr and Charlie Daniels, but they didn't. Hell, they would SURELY have made more money by derping, and appealing to the good-ole-boys while sticking to them Yankee elitists. They did something they didn't need to, that surely no one in the target audience was clamoring for, because they felt it was right. Could be they didn't used to think of it as a slavery thing, but a neuron fired it's death throes in one of their old, Jack-Daniels-addled brains, and some insight was given to them Good on them, and welcome to the 21st century guys.
 
2012-09-22 02:04:03 AM  

dereksmalls: Actually they have a fine guitarist, Rickey Medlocke who was in Blackfoot. Doesn't mean I'd pay $ to go see em.

As far as racism, according to Al Kooper's book, Skynyrd were at his house and he showed them an axe that Jimi gave him. One of the guitarists picked it up, then threw it down, exclaiming "I got some n------r on me"


Whatever, guy from the band.
 
2012-09-22 02:12:00 AM  
The White, The Christian, The Old, The Straight and The Male have been such reliable voting blocs for the Fundie base, I'm honestly surprised Repukes pander to anyone who isn't at least 4 of those demos.
 
2012-09-22 02:14:59 AM  
oH...

FREEBIRD!
 
2012-09-22 02:20:54 AM  

Funbags: The White, The Christian, The Old, The Straight and The Male have been such reliable voting blocs for the Fundie base, I'm honestly surprised Repukes pander to anyone who isn't at least 4 of those demos.


Because Hispanics and blacks aren't down with J.C...
 
2012-09-22 02:24:46 AM  
Pseudo Skynyrd is to pre-plane crash Lynyrd Skynrd what replacement refs are to real football refs.
Sure it sortta looks the same but then you pay attention and realize it's all bullshiat.
 
2012-09-22 02:26:21 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Funbags: The White, The Christian, The Old, The Straight and The Male have been such reliable voting blocs for the Fundie base, I'm honestly surprised Repukes pander to anyone who isn't at least 4 of those demos.

Because Hispanics and blacks aren't down with J.C...


Well, to be fair, the first of those descriptions are what's most important to modern Republicans.
 
2012-09-22 02:39:50 AM  
Lynyrd Skynyrd will stop flying the Confederate flag at its shows, as it's suddenly become a symbol of racismt traitors who tried to rip the U.S. in half so they could own other human beings

FTFY
 
2012-09-22 02:40:54 AM  

This Face Left Blank: So they're old and irrelevant. They could have doubled down on the derp like Hank Jr and Charlie Daniels, but they didn't. Hell, they would SURELY have made more money by derping, and appealing to the good-ole-boys while sticking to them Yankee elitists. They did something they didn't need to, that surely no one in the target audience was clamoring for, because they felt it was right. Could be they didn't used to think of it as a slavery thing, but a neuron fired it's death throes in one of their old, Jack-Daniels-addled brains, and some insight was given to them Good on them, and welcome to the 21st century guys.


They?

2.bp.blogspot.com

Keyboardist? Rock'in!

/sweet home mamajamba
 
2012-09-22 02:45:20 AM  

sonnyboy11: In all seriousness though, who gives a fark about the guys running around calling


Let me stop you there, as best I can. Look, one of the things that contributes massively to a society is conspicuous enforcement. As long as people think and act like something's okay, chances are it will be okay. This is one of the problems western cultures and Christian cultures have with rape (though really, it's more of a 'humans' thing).

If one vaguely visible pack of slack-jawed rednecks have finally looked at the confederate flag and thought 'You know, maybe we should think about this,' then good. Dear dear god good. Even if they're not As Famous as they could be, if anyone hears them at all, good.
 
2012-09-22 02:48:14 AM  
I don't consume certain products, not because of the product itself but because of the people consuming it.
 
mjg
2012-09-22 02:56:41 AM  
recruiterpoet.files.wordpress.com

They finally came around.

/the wisdom of Neil
 
2012-09-22 03:01:28 AM  
Skynyrd has always been libby libs. Listen to Saturday Nigh Special for an example.
 
2012-09-22 03:05:36 AM  
Define irony...
 
2012-09-22 05:05:53 AM  
That's OK. 85% of their audience will still be wearing it.
 
2012-09-22 05:06:47 AM  
Lynrd Skynyrd still has shows?

Why?
 
2012-09-22 05:20:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Lynrd Skynyrd still has shows?

Why?


Dadrock
 
2012-09-22 07:36:03 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Gyrfalcon: Lynrd Skynyrd still has shows?

Why?

Dadrock


I think they were here a week ago, with ZZ Top.
 
2012-09-22 07:50:30 AM  

king of vegas: Skynyrd has always been libby libs. Listen to Saturday Nigh Special for an example.


That iteration of Skynyrd died in the plane crash. The remnant are far more right wing, politically speaking.
 
2012-09-22 08:04:26 AM  
Want to champion state's rights? Wave your own damned state flag.
Want to champion the memory of the civil war? Wave the 'actual' confederate flag.
Want to be an ignorant racist? Continue to wave the stars and bars.
 
2012-09-22 08:04:27 AM  
Maybe they're secretly geniuses? Maybe they bought a company that makes confederate flags and follows the band around on the county fair circuit selling said flags at a massive mark-up?

I mean, there's absolutely zero evidence of any kind to support them being geniuses, but...
 
2012-09-22 08:35:25 AM  
Well holy shiat.... i stopped listening to bands like this which i call "Racist rock" because of that flag being their main identity. Hell.. im racist and hate everyone. but even i don't like what that flag stands for.. Now i can hear the needle and the spoon again.. which is about their only good song:)
 
2012-09-22 08:44:10 AM  

Icetech3: Well holy shiat.... i stopped listening to bands like this which i call "Racist rock" because of that flag being their main identity. Hell.. im racist and hate everyone. but even i don't like what that flag stands for.. Now i can hear the needle and the spoon again.. which is about their only good song:)


if you hate everybody you are not a racist.
 
2012-09-22 09:18:54 AM  

chuckufarlie: Icetech3: Well holy shiat.... i stopped listening to bands like this which i call "Racist rock" because of that flag being their main identity. Hell.. im racist and hate everyone. but even i don't like what that flag stands for.. Now i can hear the needle and the spoon again.. which is about their only good song:)

if you hate everybody you are not a racist.


maybe he's deep. purple.
 
2012-09-22 09:22:55 AM  
Cause I'm as freee
as a slave now....

And this slave's gonna
get some entitlements....

Woahohohoh...

/Flying the battle flag of an enemy nation
//That's a Shermanizin'
 
2012-09-22 09:50:33 AM  
I suppose their conscience DID finally bother them, huh?
/Tell the truth.
 
2012-09-22 10:13:01 AM  
farm5.static.flickr.com

WOOOOOOO!
 
2012-09-22 10:13:50 AM  
(sigh) I remember the roar of the crowd going to a Skynyrd concert in Mobile Alabama in the summer of '75 when a huge stars and bars, almost 2/3rds the length of the stage, unrolled to serve as the backdrop. If the crowds were still roaring with approval when the flag unfurled, I reckon Rossington would still be using it. But they don't fill the arenas like they used to, and I'm sure that the blacks, yankees and politically correct southerners have been giving him a steady rash of crapola about it for years. Still, they can never take away the summer of 75. Old times not forgotten and all that.
 
2012-09-22 10:33:29 AM  

Cinaed: Want to champion state's rights? Wave your own damned state flag.
Want to champion the memory of the civil war? Wave the 'actual' confederate flag.
Want to be an ignorant racist? Continue to wave the stars and bars.


Ignorant racist?
s11.postimage.org
 
2012-09-22 11:28:01 AM  
Just stopping in to say hello.
 
2012-09-22 11:29:39 AM  
that's been offensive to people pretty much since its conception.

Citation?


Btw, THAT is not Lynrd Skynyrd.
 
2012-09-22 12:00:34 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: This Face Left Blank: So they're old and irrelevant. They could have doubled down on the derp like Hank Jr and Charlie Daniels, but they didn't. Hell, they would SURELY have made more money by derping, and appealing to the good-ole-boys while sticking to them Yankee elitists. They did something they didn't need to, that surely no one in the target audience was clamoring for, because they felt it was right. Could be they didn't used to think of it as a slavery thing, but a neuron fired it's death throes in one of their old, Jack-Daniels-addled brains, and some insight was given to them Good on them, and welcome to the 21st century guys.

They?



Keyboardist? Rock'in!

/sweet home mamajamba


Those fat suits look more and more real every year.
 
2012-09-22 12:42:06 PM  

This Face Left Blank: So they're old and irrelevant. They could have doubled down on the derp like Hank Jr and Charlie Daniels, but they didn't. Hell, they would SURELY have made more money by derping, and appealing to the good-ole-boys while sticking to them Yankee elitists. They did something they didn't need to, that surely no one in the target audience was clamoring for, because they felt it was right. Could be they didn't used to think of it as a slavery thing, but a neuron fired it's death throes in one of their old, Jack-Daniels-addled brains, and some insight was given to them Good on them, and welcome to the 21st century guys.


They did double down: New tour is 'God and Guns' or some such. Of course, they couldn't even fill the 7,000 seat suburban arena by my house, so we see how that's working out for them.

In other words:

i245.photobucket.com

It's just business, Sonny.
 
2012-09-22 01:04:17 PM  

Intoxoman: bojon: Lynyrd Skynyrd died in a plane crash. At least for me.

/seconded


//thirded. These clowns should be ashamed of themselves, and not for the stupid flag.
 
2012-09-22 01:30:18 PM  

velvet_fog: Lynyrd Skynyrd will stop flying the Confederate flag at its shows, as it's suddenly become a symbol of racismt traitors who tried to rip the U.S. in half so they could own other human beings

FTFY


...You...should probably do more reading about actual slavery in the north and south and the reasons for the civil war. Or do you not understand segregation and Jim Crowe laws either? Because the slavery was really mostly just a distraction, like the 'weapons of mass destruction' tour.
 
2012-09-22 01:32:40 PM  
I was a junior at UMO in the fall of '77, doing early morning rip 'n read AP news on the campus radio station. The LS plane crash was the first BIG story I ever read on-air.

Saw them in Lewiston ME summer of '76. The Cate Brothers ('Union Man') opened.
 
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