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2012-09-21 09:24:16 PM  
www.halloweenfancydressuk.com
 
2012-09-22 12:01:50 AM  
Including joker's boner?
 
2012-09-22 12:10:08 AM  
Wanna see a magic trick?

/got nuthin'
 
2012-09-22 12:10:45 AM  
That guy should act more.
 
2012-09-22 12:27:21 AM  
For a second there, I thought it was going to be Brian Bolland's Joker.

s17.postimage.org
 
2012-09-22 12:43:04 AM  
I read that as Dark Knight porno images
 
2012-09-22 01:41:03 AM  

UberDave: For a second there, I thought it was going to be Brian Bolland's Joker.

[s17.postimage.org image 300x474]


Ah, you mean a real Joker, not some hack actor who couldn't hold his drugs.
 
2012-09-22 02:23:09 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: UberDave: For a second there, I thought it was going to be Brian Bolland's Joker.

[s17.postimage.org image 300x474]

Ah, you mean a real Joker, not some hack actor who couldn't hold his drugs.


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2012-09-22 03:47:18 AM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-22 04:35:29 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: UberDave: For a second there, I thought it was going to be Brian Bolland's Joker.

[s17.postimage.org image 300x474]

Ah, you mean a real Joker, not some hack actor who couldn't hold his drugs.


To be fair, Ledger's wasn't a typical "get high and fark up dead" overdose, nor was it a suicide. He had three different doctors he saw, none of which knew what the others prescribed, and so each prescribed their own cocktail of anxiety and sleeping meds.

From what I understand, none of the drugs he took were in an excessive amount by oneself. He took each as prescribed, only they were on top of each other because he likely thought "Well, this is how they were prescribed...". Combining them with a glass of wine was inadvisable, but not unheard of.

Granted, I'm making an assumptive leap here, but in my time as a medic I've seen this scenario more than a couple times. Different doctors on a constantly changing HMO plan, no contact with each other since we lack a universal record keeping system and some docs aren't great at asking pertinent questions, all prescribing different things and the patient assuming it's OK. Because hey, doctors know what's best, right?

Now, certainly there was likely a bit of "Yes, Mr. Famous Hollywood Actor, I can prescribe you some meds to help you sleep with no questions asked!" going on. But what he to wasn't excessive, so much as ill advised layering of effects and side effects.
 
2012-09-22 04:49:26 AM  

Shadowknight: FirstNationalBastard: UberDave: For a second there, I thought it was going to be Brian Bolland's Joker.

[s17.postimage.org image 300x474]

Ah, you mean a real Joker, not some hack actor who couldn't hold his drugs.

To be fair, Ledger's wasn't a typical "get high and fark up dead" overdose, nor was it a suicide. He had three different doctors he saw, none of which knew what the others prescribed, and so each prescribed their own cocktail of anxiety and sleeping meds.

From what I understand, none of the drugs he took were in an excessive amount by oneself. He took each as prescribed, only they were on top of each other because he likely thought "Well, this is how they were prescribed...". Combining them with a glass of wine was inadvisable, but not unheard of.

Granted, I'm making an assumptive leap here, but in my time as a medic I've seen this scenario more than a couple times. Different doctors on a constantly changing HMO plan, no contact with each other since we lack a universal record keeping system and some docs aren't great at asking pertinent questions, all prescribing different things and the patient assuming it's OK. Because hey, doctors know what's best, right?

Now, certainly there was likely a bit of "Yes, Mr. Famous Hollywood Actor, I can prescribe you some meds to help you sleep with no questions asked!" going on. But what he to wasn't excessive, so much as ill advised layering of effects and side effects.


That was a much more logical and informative response than an obvious troll deserved.

Honestly, Ledger was decent in other roles, it was the character that was horribly flawed.
 
2012-09-22 05:32:14 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shadowknight: FirstNationalBastard: UberDave: For a second there, I thought it was going to be Brian Bolland's Joker.

[s17.postimage.org image 300x474]

Ah, you mean a real Joker, not some hack actor who couldn't hold his drugs.

To be fair, Ledger's wasn't a typical "get high and fark up dead" overdose, nor was it a suicide. He had three different doctors he saw, none of which knew what the others prescribed, and so each prescribed their own cocktail of anxiety and sleeping meds.

From what I understand, none of the drugs he took were in an excessive amount by oneself. He took each as prescribed, only they were on top of each other because he likely thought "Well, this is how they were prescribed...". Combining them with a glass of wine was inadvisable, but not unheard of.

Granted, I'm making an assumptive leap here, but in my time as a medic I've seen this scenario more than a couple times. Different doctors on a constantly changing HMO plan, no contact with each other since we lack a universal record keeping system and some docs aren't great at asking pertinent questions, all prescribing different things and the patient assuming it's OK. Because hey, doctors know what's best, right?

Now, certainly there was likely a bit of "Yes, Mr. Famous Hollywood Actor, I can prescribe you some meds to help you sleep with no questions asked!" going on. But what he to wasn't excessive, so much as ill advised layering of effects and side effects.

That was a much more logical and informative response than an obvious troll deserved.

Honestly, Ledger was decent in other roles, it was the character that was horribly flawed.


Can't quote for truth enough. I was all excited till I saw it was... him. Seriously, that character is not the Joker, that's a punk kid who took the anarchist fad too far and wants attention for it. The Joker is chaos incarnate. That's a douche.
 
2012-09-22 06:24:14 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: That was a much more logical and informative response than an obvious troll deserved.

Honestly, Ledger was decent in other roles, it was the character that was horribly flawed.


I didn't see it as flawed so much as a slightly tweaked version. I was among the internet fanboys that, when we heard about Ledger being cast, said "That guy from 'A Knight's Tale?' Really?" But then I saw the makeup concept pictures, and was impressed. Then I heard the laugh, and was convinced it could work.

The final product was something that I thought was the best interpretation of a live-action Joker as we ever saw. I mean, that kind of limits it to Caesar Romero and Jack Nicholson, but it worked. It was slightly off from Mark Hamill's, I will grant you. But I think any deficits were on the part of the writing and not the actor. He knocked it out of the park in my estimation, and after watching "Brokeback Mountain" I think we lost a real impressive body of work when he died.

batcookie: Can't quote for truth enough. I was all excited till I saw it was... him. Seriously, that character is not the Joker, that's a punk kid who took the anarchist fad too far and wants attention for it. The Joker is chaos incarnate. That's a douche.


Like I said above, I think he knocked it out of the park in terms of doing what Nolan wanted. And quite frankly, I have very little complaint about "The Dark Knight." That movie was pretty damn good, Bale's Batman voice aside.

I had much worse things about "The Dark Knight Rises" that annoy the crap out of me, the biggest being Batman's eight year emo self-exile. If you want to talk bastardization of a basic character trait, that's it right there. Nolan's Joker at least maintained chaos and madness combined with insane narcissistic intelligence as his primary motivators. But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared into a pouty mess practicing his indoor archery until crime literally walked into his bedroom.

Batman does not give up, especially for the death of a loved one. He became batman because his FREAKING PARENTS DIED IN FRONT OF HIM. I GOD DAMN HATE THSKDF;Sskdllasdflie,kdnvasdkfrdssssssssssssssss...

Sorry, I went off into a rant, and may have had a stroke there at the end. But you get my point.
 
2012-09-22 06:37:37 AM  

Shadowknight: FirstNationalBastard: That was a much more logical and informative response than an obvious troll deserved.

Honestly, Ledger was decent in other roles, it was the character that was horribly flawed.

I didn't see it as flawed so much as a slightly tweaked version. I was among the internet fanboys that, when we heard about Ledger being cast, said "That guy from 'A Knight's Tale?' Really?" But then I saw the makeup concept pictures, and was impressed. Then I heard the laugh, and was convinced it could work.

The final product was something that I thought was the best interpretation of a live-action Joker as we ever saw. I mean, that kind of limits it to Caesar Romero and Jack Nicholson, but it worked. It was slightly off from Mark Hamill's, I will grant you. But I think any deficits were on the part of the writing and not the actor. He knocked it out of the park in my estimation, and after watching "Brokeback Mountain" I think we lost a real impressive body of work when he died.

batcookie: Can't quote for truth enough. I was all excited till I saw it was... him. Seriously, that character is not the Joker, that's a punk kid who took the anarchist fad too far and wants attention for it. The Joker is chaos incarnate. That's a douche.

Like I said above, I think he knocked it out of the park in terms of doing what Nolan wanted. And quite frankly, I have very little complaint about "The Dark Knight." That movie was pretty damn good, Bale's Batman voice aside.

I had much worse things about "The Dark Knight Rises" that annoy the crap out of me, the biggest being Batman's eight year emo self-exile. If you want to talk bastardization of a basic character trait, that's it right there. Nolan's Joker at least maintained chaos and madness combined with insane narcissistic intelligence as his primary motivators. But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared ...


I see your point, but I must disagree about keeping those as the Joker's motivations. He did come across as narcissistic, but not intelligent, or even mad or chaotic. As I said, more like a punk kid screaming "ANARCHY" and trying to get attention.
 
2012-09-22 06:43:18 AM  

Shadowknight: I had much worse things about "The Dark Knight Rises" that annoy the crap out of me, the biggest being Batman's eight year emo self-exile. If you want to talk bastardization of a basic character trait, that's it right there. Nolan's Joker at least maintained chaos and madness combined with insane narcissistic intelligence as his primary motivators. But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared into a pouty mess practicing his indoor archery until crime literally walked into his bedroom.


I thought the point was that he quit being Batman because he had to take the fall for Harvey Dent. Which didn't make any sense to me, I don't know why they just didn't blame the Joker but that's why he stopped being Batman, not because of his girlfriend.

I liked the Joker and Ledger's performance. Two-Face however, they completely farked up yet again.
 
2012-09-22 06:53:39 AM  
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2012-09-22 06:56:08 AM  

Mugato: I thought the point was that he quit being Batman because he had to take the fall for Harvey Dent. Which didn't make any sense to me, I don't know why they just didn't blame the Joker but that's why he stopped being Batman, not because of his girlfriend.

I liked the Joker and Ledger's performance. Two-Face however, they completely farked up yet again.


See, I didn't mind Two-Face. He fit into Nolan's universe pretty well, as there is no way that a man with those injuries is going to survive more than a day or two without some serious medical treatment. Infection alone would kill him, not to mention damage to sweat glands destroying his ability to control his body temperature and the lipoproteins breakdown. So really, having him as a severely insane man driven acutely to the edge to burn bright and short made good sense.

Quitting Batman still didn't make any sense. I too agree that covering for Dent didn't make much sense. It's not like he falsified police reports or withheld evidence. None of the people put away would have gotten out or even a mistrial if his actions came to light. And like you said, blame the Joker if nothing else. But even if he DID take the heat for Dent's murders and ultimately his death, why disappear? No one knows who you are. Batman can still operate, and if nothing else criminals are going to be even more scared of you now than they were before.

Remember that one mobster that told him "The words out on you, Bat, you won't kill." Of course, he broke his legs instead, but my point is that he wasn't afraid because he knew Batman had a code. Now, once word gets around that Batman is willing to let some blood flow, they are going to be shiatting their pants at the very thought of you. Go with it.
 
2012-09-22 07:00:32 AM  

batcookie: I see your point, but I must disagree about keeping those as the Joker's motivations. He did come across as narcissistic, but not intelligent, or even mad or chaotic. As I said, more like a punk kid screaming "ANARCHY" and trying to get attention.


I don't know, he did wire half the city with various barrel bombs including hospitals, ferries, and construction sites. And he did manipulate the city's worst drug dealers and gangsters into their own doom, all the while undoing all the progress that Batman, Gordon, and Dent made to making people feel like they were taking their city back.

It showed a lot of planning, know how, and complete insanity. And on top of that, he was still desperate to be the center of everyone's attention. It wasn't quite as flamboyant a version of Joker we've seen in the past, but I think all the components were still there. Sure, he was all about anarchy and chaos, but he still wanted everyone to know what he was doing and that he was better than everyone else at knowing people's "true" nature.
 
2012-09-22 07:11:17 AM  
Nolan's Batman was a universe he wanted grounded in reality.
Batman is not a terribly realistic character (altho, to be fair, he's probably the closest to one that DC has).

To that end, you've got to expect some liberties will have to be taken.

/All in all, I liked Ledgers Joker performance.
/Insane, funny, over the top, and quite memorable.
 
2012-09-22 07:12:33 AM  

Shadowknight: But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared into a pouty mess practicing his indoor archery until crime literally walked into his bedroom.

Batman does not give up, especially for the death of a loved one. He became batman because his FREAKING PARENTS DIED IN FRONT OF HIM. I GOD DAMN HATE THSKDF;Sskdllasdflie,kdnvasdkfrdssssssssssssssss...



If I said ^THIS^ any harder, I'm pretty sure I would pop a disc.
 
2012-09-22 07:37:10 AM  

Shadowknight: See, I didn't mind Two-Face. He fit into Nolan's universe pretty well, as there is no way that a man with those injuries is going to survive more than a day or two without some serious medical treatment. Infection alone would kill him, not to mention damage to sweat glands destroying his ability to control his body temperature and the lipoproteins breakdown. So really, having him as a severely insane man driven acutely to the edge to burn bright and short made good sense.


Yeah but Two-Face is supposed to have two separate personalities, a good guy and a bad guy. Nolan's Two-Face was just Charles Bronson who let a coin toss determine whether or not he was allowed to kill people. None of the villains in Nolan's movies are much like they are in the comics but I think Two-Face could have been done better and still kept the "realistic" tone. Maybe with some anti-biotics.

As for Batman's 8 year hiatus, the only reason I can see for that was making Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever his name was age. His back story was that he met Bruce Wayne as a little kid and in TDKR he was an adult cop so they had to account for that time. Although, if each movie directly led into the next, that would mean that Batman only existed for a few months total. Seems hardly worth the effort.
 
2012-09-22 08:54:04 AM  
Nice Rapala J. Martini fillet knife...
 
2012-09-22 09:26:47 AM  
I don't think these are promo images. I think they're the final proof shots for the costume and continuity reference.
 
2012-09-22 09:26:53 AM  

Mugato: Shadowknight: See, I didn't mind Two-Face. He fit into Nolan's universe pretty well, as there is no way that a man with those injuries is going to survive more than a day or two without some serious medical treatment. Infection alone would kill him, not to mention damage to sweat glands destroying his ability to control his body temperature and the lipoproteins breakdown. So really, having him as a severely insane man driven acutely to the edge to burn bright and short made good sense.

Yeah but Two-Face is supposed to have two separate personalities, a good guy and a bad guy. Nolan's Two-Face was just Charles Bronson who let a coin toss determine whether or not he was allowed to kill people. None of the villains in Nolan's movies are much like they are in the comics but I think Two-Face could have been done better and still kept the "realistic" tone. Maybe with some anti-biotics.

As for Batman's 8 year hiatus, the only reason I can see for that was making Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever his name was age. His back story was that he met Bruce Wayne as a little kid and in TDKR he was an adult cop so they had to account for that time. Although, if each movie directly led into the next, that would mean that Batman only existed for a few months total. Seems hardly worth the effort.


How long could someone really be a superhero without super powers?
Soldiers, not leaping from rooftop to rooftop and assuming they don't take injuries, only last a handful of years.
They also go off kilter, mentally, if kept in the field too long.

Nolan's batman was more of a pivotal character than a mainstay of law enforcement. He's fragile in mindset and takes a pretty good beating for the short time he's being the dark knight. He also not very smart or detective like, more ninja than anything.
His successor seems to be more cautious and batman like than Bruce Wayne was. He would have the qualities it takes to be batman for years.

Nolan's Bruce Wayne seemed to have more of a death wish.
 
2012-09-22 09:29:55 AM  

Shadowknight: I had much worse things about "The Dark Knight Rises" that annoy the crap out of me, the biggest being Batman's eight year emo self-exile. If you want to talk bastardization of a basic character trait, that's it right there. Nolan's Joker at least maintained chaos and madness combined with insane narcissistic intelligence as his primary motivators. But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared into a pouty mess practicing his indoor archery until crime literally walked into his bedroom.

Batman does not give up, especially for the death of a loved one. He became batman because his FREAKING PARENTS DIED IN FRONT OF HIM. I GOD DAMN HATE THSKDF;Sskdllasdflie,kdnvasdkfrdssssssssssssssss...


You know Dark Knight Rises was Nolan's version of Dark Knight Returns, do you?

In DKReturns Batman goes away for like 10 years. Then he returns to fight the Mutant Leader who's younger, faster, stronger but it's beaten badly since he forgot he's old and busted. So he prepares better and defeats the big bad dog. Then he fakes his death at the end.

So don't gimme some bullshiat about "Batman nevers goes away, fark you Nolan" when he based it on one of the quintessential Batman comic stories.
 
2012-09-22 09:31:49 AM  
We can block Farkers who annoy us ... why can't we block i09 links? I haven't given them a click in years even though the subbies often make the headline enticing. No sir - no click for you.
 
2012-09-22 09:57:51 AM  

rocky_howard: Shadowknight: I had much worse things about "The Dark Knight Rises" that annoy the crap out of me, the biggest being Batman's eight year emo self-exile. If you want to talk bastardization of a basic character trait, that's it right there. Nolan's Joker at least maintained chaos and madness combined with insane narcissistic intelligence as his primary motivators. But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared into a pouty mess practicing his indoor archery until crime literally walked into his bedroom.

Batman does not give up, especially for the death of a loved one. He became batman because his FREAKING PARENTS DIED IN FRONT OF HIM. I GOD DAMN HATE THSKDF;Sskdllasdflie,kdnvasdkfrdssssssssssssssss...

You know Dark Knight Rises was Nolan's version of Dark Knight Returns, do you?

In DKReturns Batman goes away for like 10 years. Then he returns to fight the Mutant Leader who's younger, faster, stronger but it's beaten badly since he forgot he's old and busted. So he prepares better and defeats the big bad dog. Then he fakes his death at the end.

So don't gimme some bullshiat about "Batman nevers goes away, fark you Nolan" when he based it on one of the quintessential Batman comic stories.


I know The Dark Knight Returns. Notice a couple things from the book, though:

-At the end of the books, Bruce is starting an army. Even in old age and after a faked death, he keeps going.

-He went away for years not because crime was eradicated, but because of the combo of Jason getting killed (yes, insert Rachel here), the government itself putting pressure on heroes to cut it out (thus sicking Superman on him later), and the fact he farking got old. Bale's Bruce was still a young man, so quitting for eight years because he simply got sad is annoying.
 
2012-09-22 10:12:56 AM  

Shadowknight: -He went away for years not because crime was eradicated, but because of the combo of Jason getting killed (yes, insert Rachel here), the government itself putting pressure on heroes to cut it out (thus sicking Superman on him later), and the fact he farking got old. Bale's Bruce was still a young man, so quitting for eight years because he simply got sad is annoying.


Yeah, the circumstances under which Bruce quit being Batman in The Dark Knight Returns were different but I can see how Rachel's death would affect him differently than the death of his parents. When his parents were killed he was a kid so he got angry and decided to fight crime as a way to cope. But when Rachel died he probably saw that as him farking up. He couldn't blame himself for his parents getting killed because he was a kid but Rachel dying was because he sucks at being Batman. So it makes sense that he would give it all up after that.

Still, story-wise the reason for his 8 year break was to bring the Robin character from an orphan kid to an adult.
 
2012-09-22 10:16:32 AM  

Shadowknight: -At the end of the books, Bruce is starting an army. Even in old age and after a faked death, he keeps going.


And Nolan's Batman set up a sucessor ;D

We won't see anything else from this universe, but I doubt Bruce will be 100% away from crime fighting. He'll likely end up assuming a Batman Beyond kind of role.

He went away for years not because crime was eradicated, but because of the combo of Jason getting killed (yes, insert Rachel here), the government itself putting pressure on heroes to cut it out (thus sicking Superman on him later), and the fact he farking got old. Bale's Bruce was still a young man, so quitting for eight years because he simply got sad is annoying.

I know. I was kind of annoyed with that fact but not necessarily for your same reasons. The whole 8 years thing wasn't very clear.

We know there was a year between the BB events and the final scene of that movie (Where Gordon shows the Joker card.)

We can assume TDK is around 3-6 months later.

So at this point Batman has been active for 18 months, tops. Then he suddenly goes away for 8 years?

I have problems with that.

So he got tired of being Batman with not even 2 years on the job? Also, how does that turn him into a "legend"?

And more importantly, if he went away after TDK, how did he end up with a broken down body in TDKR? He was pretty nifty at the end of TDK.

I know Ledger's death altered Nolan's original plans, but the TDK > TDKR segue just doesn't work seamlessly.
 
2012-09-22 10:56:55 AM  

rocky_howard: And more importantly, if he went away after TDK, how did he end up with a broken down body in TDKR? He was pretty nifty at the end of TDK.


Ask any NFL player or pro-wrestler.

With the abuse you put your body through, you substantially can maintain during training. When you hang it up for good, your body goes downhill fast.
 
2012-09-22 10:59:18 AM  

rocky_howard: We can assume TDK is around 3-6 months later.


How can you assume that? TDK starts when Harvey Dent had substantially eradicated police corruption & the mob were on the verge of collapse.

I'd say at least 3 years, with The Bat Man kicking substantial arse in the interim.
 
2012-09-22 11:05:05 AM  
What has been seen...

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(couldn't find a better pic of Britt from that scene, but watching Batman TDK always reminds me of that Sin City scene, crooked mouth, dark eye makeup, tilted head, and of course, they both died from drugs)

beantowndog: That guy should act more.


He can't, he's dead.

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/I know, "that's the joke.jpg"
//just a segwe for the best pic

Another incidental likeness:
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/not to mention Chris Hemsworth who really channels the young Heath
 
2012-09-22 11:08:44 AM  

rocinante721: Ask any NFL player or pro-wrestler.

With the abuse you put your body through, you substantially can maintain during training. When you hang it up for good, your body goes downhill fast.


Nope. Doesn't add up. In TDKR he had lost his meniscus and was limping.

When did that happen?

Also, pro-wrestlers / NFL players don't "break down" after a couple of seasons.

How can you assume that? TDK starts when Harvey Dent had substantially eradicated police corruption & the mob were on the verge of collapse.

I'd say at least 3 years, with The Bat Man kicking substantial arse in the interim.


So you didn't watch the movie?

"Let's wind the clocks back a year. These cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened? Did your balls drop off? Hmm?"

And "at least 3 years"? LOL, more like "at most, under the loosest sense of time and continuity, it'd be 3 years".

The thing you allude to happened in the interim between Ra's event and Gordon giving the card to Batman (Remember, an entire year had happened between those scenes. Then 3-6 months more before TDK. That's time enough for Harvey to do his work.
 
2012-09-22 11:09:55 AM  

rocinante721: rocky_howard: We can assume TDK is around 3-6 months later.

How can you assume that? TDK starts when Harvey Dent had substantially eradicated police corruption & the mob were on the verge of collapse.

I'd say at least 3 years, with The Bat Man kicking substantial arse in the interim.


Batman Begins ended with Gordon giving Batman the Joker's calling card and TDK started with the Joker robbing a bank, assumingly his first crime after breaking out of Arkham. Wayne Manor is still being built. At the beginning of TDK, Bruce just came around to asking for a suit that let him turn his head. I don't see the time period between movies being more than 6 months.
 
2012-09-22 11:20:12 AM  

Mugato: Batman Begins ended with Gordon giving Batman the Joker's calling card and TDK started with the Joker robbing a bank, assumingly his first crime after breaking out of Arkham. Wayne Manor is still being built. At the beginning of TDK, Bruce just came around to asking for a suit that let him turn his head. I don't see the time period between movies being more than 6 months.


Nope. Joker had been active for some time already. In fact, when Gordon gave the card to Batman was because Joker was leaving it at his crime scenes.

The thing is that, before TDK went to the mob, he was a relatively low-level gangster. Nobody took him that seriously (duh, he dresses like a clown), not even Batman himself if you think about it. Gordon gives him the card and he kind of forgets the dude even exists. Of course, that came to bite him later on when Joker made his power play.
 
2012-09-22 11:25:14 AM  
Promo stills of the Joker?

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2012-09-22 12:14:16 PM  

Cyno01: Promo stills of the Joker?

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That's Cock Knocker, ya screw.
 
2012-09-22 12:28:59 PM  

rocky_howard: rocinante721: Ask any NFL player or pro-wrestler.

With the abuse you put your body through, you substantially can maintain during training. When you hang it up for good, your body goes downhill fast.

Nope. Doesn't add up. In TDKR he had lost his meniscus and was limping.

When did that happen?

Also, pro-wrestlers / NFL players don't "break down" after a couple of seasons.

How can you assume that? TDK starts when Harvey Dent had substantially eradicated police corruption & the mob were on the verge of collapse.

I'd say at least 3 years, with The Bat Man kicking substantial arse in the interim.

So you didn't watch the movie?

"Let's wind the clocks back a year. These cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened? Did your balls drop off? Hmm?"

And "at least 3 years"? LOL, more like "at most, under the loosest sense of time and continuity, it'd be 3 years".

The thing you allude to happened in the interim between Ra's event and Gordon giving the card to Batman (Remember, an entire year had happened between those scenes. Then 3-6 months more before TDK. That's time enough for Harvey to do his work.


I must have missed something, how do you know a year has gone by between the e train crash and the scene with the Joker card? Gordon even referenced how they still haven't caught all the inmates Scarecrow released.
 
2012-09-22 12:38:47 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: I must have missed something, how do you know a year has gone by between the e train crash and the scene with the Joker card? Gordon even referenced how they still haven't caught all the inmates Scarecrow released.


No, there wasn't a year between the train and the Joker card at the end of Batman Begins. There was a year from the end of Begins to TDK. Because Batman had only been in operation from the middle of Begins to the end for maybe a few months, and in TDK Joker states that it's been a year since Batman showed up and started mopping up the joint.
 
2012-09-22 12:39:37 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: I must have missed something, how do you know a year has gone by between the e train crash and the scene with the Joker card? Gordon even referenced how they still haven't caught all the inmates Scarecrow released.


If you watch the scene it makes clear time has passed:

Batman Begins ending scene

Now I was being generous with the 1 year thing, in reality, it was much less, which means Nolan's Batman total time of action was probably even more like year and a couple of days/weeks.
 
2012-09-22 12:41:25 PM  

rocky_howard: Shadowknight: I had much worse things about "The Dark Knight Rises" that annoy the crap out of me, the biggest being Batman's eight year emo self-exile. If you want to talk bastardization of a basic character trait, that's it right there. Nolan's Joker at least maintained chaos and madness combined with insane narcissistic intelligence as his primary motivators. But every incarnation of the Bat I've EVER read would have just gone even more deeply, if not completely, into the job after the death of his girlfriend. Not disappeared into a pouty mess practicing his indoor archery until crime literally walked into his bedroom.

Batman does not give up, especially for the death of a loved one. He became batman because his FREAKING PARENTS DIED IN FRONT OF HIM. I GOD DAMN HATE THSKDF;Sskdllasdflie,kdnvasdkfrdssssssssssssssss...

You know Dark Knight Rises was Nolan's version of Dark Knight Returns, do you?

In DKReturns Batman goes away for like 10 years. Then he returns to fight the Mutant Leader who's younger, faster, stronger but it's beaten badly since he forgot he's old and busted. So he prepares better and defeats the big bad dog. Then he fakes his death at the end.

So don't gimme some bullshiat about "Batman nevers goes away, fark you Nolan" when he based it on one of the quintessential Batman comic stories.


Very nice comparison, but one thing wrong: in TDKR, Batman didn't come back and beat the big bad dog. He got his ass kicked AGAIN and Catwoman had to come save him and beat Bane herself! Batman, you wuss.
 
2012-09-22 01:24:26 PM  

Shadowknight: From what I understand, none of the drugs he took were in an excessive amount by oneself. He took each as prescribed, only they were on top of each other because he likely thought "Well, this is how they were prescribed...". Combining them with a glass of wine was inadvisable, but not unheard of.


I always wondered how this kind of thing can happen, because I take loads of medications and I'm always careful to tell every doctor what I'm taking already, and also carefully read all the fine print in the insert. Then a couple I know were recounting how they'd spent the previous night in the ER because she was having overwhelming abdominal pain and they weren't sure what was causing it.

So I asked what medications she was taking, and she ran down the list. "...and I take Aleve for my headaches, and Naproxen for my arthritis..."

I pointed out to her that this was most likely the problem, since they're the same drug. "No they're not," her husband (who is notorious for talking out of his ass) protested. "Aleve is naproxen sodium, it's an anti-inflammatory. Naproxen is a pain reliever."

*facepalm*

I tried to explain reality to them, but they didn't believe me. I told them they should really, really, really ask her doctor about it. A few days later, "Oh, by the way, you were actually right, the doctor said she can't take those together because they're the same thing."

Apparently, most people don't actually put the slightest thought into what medications they take, or have even the most basic understanding of what those drugs actually do. Sometimes this is a good thing, like when someone attempts suicide by Valium (which is damn near impossible). Sometimes, not so good.

/no, ibuprofen cannot get you high
 
2012-09-22 01:28:41 PM  

Shadowknight: Your_Huckleberry: I must have missed something, how do you know a year has gone by between the e train crash and the scene with the Joker card? Gordon even referenced how they still haven't caught all the inmates Scarecrow released.

No, there wasn't a year between the train and the Joker card at the end of Batman Begins. There was a year from the end of Begins to TDK. Because Batman had only been in operation from the middle of Begins to the end for maybe a few months, and in TDK Joker states that it's been a year since Batman showed up and started mopping up the joint.


Yeah, that's about the timeline I figured.

Although, the set-up at the docks he had in TDK couldn't have been built over night-even with his resources. So you'd have to assume Batman may have had to take a few weeks off between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, while he got his operations in order. Or he was sneaking back to the Manor to change into Batman in between construction shifts.
 
2012-09-22 01:35:22 PM  
Why do I always look at the comments to articles like this:

I never really cared for the joker I always thought he was a rip of of Poltergeist and its evil clown. I also think that batman is just a rip-off of iron man because they are both superheroes without magical powers like harry potter or Luke Skywalker. How unoriginal.

Trolling or not, that hurt my head.
 
2012-09-22 02:06:12 PM  

gglibertine: Apparently, most people don't actually put the slightest thought into what medications they take, or have even the most basic understanding of what those drugs actually do. Sometimes this is a good thing, like when someone attempts suicide by Valium (which is damn near impossible). Sometimes, not so good.



Serious question... how can you not OD on Valium?
 
2012-09-22 02:29:19 PM  

downstairs: gglibertine: Apparently, most people don't actually put the slightest thought into what medications they take, or have even the most basic understanding of what those drugs actually do. Sometimes this is a good thing, like when someone attempts suicide by Valium (which is damn near impossible). Sometimes, not so good.


Serious question... how can you not OD on Valium?


And do you need a volunteer to prove it?
 
2012-09-22 04:40:30 PM  

downstairs: gglibertine: Apparently, most people don't actually put the slightest thought into what medications they take, or have even the most basic understanding of what those drugs actually do. Sometimes this is a good thing, like when someone attempts suicide by Valium (which is damn near impossible). Sometimes, not so good.


Serious question... how can you not OD on Valium?


We have had plenty of attempts with Valium, and no, it's not particularly hard to OD on it. It will cause respiratory depression, and possibly respiratory arrest. That said, while it isn't "damn near impossible," it is quite a bit harder than actual narcotics. Most people fall off to sleepy time long before they get enough to kill them, and most deaths from it are more of a result of mixing it with other meds with same adverse effects.
 
2012-09-22 11:13:10 PM  

omeganuepsilon: couldn't find a better pic of Britt from that scene,


That was pretty much the definition of supporting role, but she acted the HELL out of it. That "cutcha l'il peckah off" line should have gotten a micro-Oscar all on its own. Between that and being the voice of LuAnn on King of the Hill, she's forgiven for all the movies she was in where being cartoonish was a bad thing.

/because what matters is my forgiveness, obviously
 
2012-09-23 02:49:01 AM  

Cyno01: Promo stills of the Joker?

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+10 to you.
 
2012-09-23 04:35:26 AM  

semiotix: omeganuepsilon: couldn't find a better pic of Britt from that scene,

That was pretty much the definition of supporting role, but she acted the HELL out of it. That "cutcha l'il peckah off" line should have gotten a micro-Oscar all on its own. Between that and being the voice of LuAnn on King of the Hill, she's forgiven for all the movies she was in where being cartoonish was a bad thing.

/because what matters is my forgiveness, obviously


I had such a thing for that girl, ever since I first saw her. God she was hot, cute, and I just got the impression off of her that she wold be an absolute wildcat in the sack.

Course, she married her crazy husband, got hooked on drugs, and went down from there. It was incredibly sad to see.
 
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