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(Nature)   "Surely you cannot put a scientist in jail just because you don't like her opinion?" Apparently you can in Russia   (nature.com) divider line 20
    More: Asinine, complicity, Kafkaesque, special police, Law enforcement in Russia, miscarriage of justice, Post-Soviet states, Russia, Olga Zelenina  
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2012-09-21 09:51:00 PM  
2 votes:
So...kinda like Wilhelm Reich
2012-09-21 09:44:32 PM  
2 votes:
Don't give the GOP any more ideas.
2012-09-22 03:55:08 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.


Hey, thanks Drug Warriors.

Hope you all die from a disease that guy could have prevented, if you hadn't tossed him in prison.
2012-09-21 11:57:22 PM  
1 votes:
Dear Russia,

Go fark yourself.

Sincerely,
A chemist
2012-09-21 11:41:33 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?


Look at the big picture. The United States has the highest percentage of its population incarcerated of any country in the world, is one of few developed countries using the death penalty for crimes less than war crimes or treason (Russia, for example, no longer uses it), is one of few countries that routinely sentences people to life without parole, and until very recently was the only country in the world that would sentence juvenile offenders to life without parole. It's a system that, while less affected by petty personal corruption, is exceptionally punitive and systematically seeks gross, arbitrary, and disproportionate outcomes with the primary goal being to increase the system's power and intimidate all future defendants. It wants defense attorneys to believe that anyone charged with a crime had better plead guilty because virtually anything can be criminal if prosecutors decide it is, you will not get acquitted of every felony charge they can apply to you, and resistance is futile. A little more Russian-style petty corruption certainly wouldn't improve the American system but might make it seem more like it's made of human beings than machines.

"We hardly have trials anymore."
2012-09-21 11:30:51 PM  
1 votes:

Tyranicle: rev. dave: Tyranicle: shamalamadingdong: Looks like the other side of the world has a Texas, too.

I'm a Texan and as far as I know we've never lived under communism or imprisoned citizens in gulags for disagreeing against the policies of the 'state'.

I don't know anything about Texas. But Russia is more capitalist than we are in the US. The rich run the show there.

Revolt, then. Eutopia is beyond that brown hill you stare at, in despair.


Actually she stated facts that were inconvenient to the prosecutor and the rich moralistic conservatives in power and he(?) chose to trump up charges and railroad her, which happens here in Texas all the time.
2012-09-21 11:29:47 PM  
1 votes:

badhatharry: Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?

That's a nice poll you got there Link


Interesting story, but it is still not a case where an expert witness was arrested for giving testimony that the prosecution did not like.
2012-09-21 11:24:09 PM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.


Hate to break it to you, but after reading the article, while that man drew the short straw, he knew exactly what he was doing the whole time and broke a number of laws.
2012-09-21 10:38:03 PM  
1 votes:

kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.


Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?
2012-09-21 10:24:10 PM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: She was jailed for dealing with people trying to make heroin.

Just like she would be in the united states.

I fail to see why this is a Russian problem.


Are you trolling? Because your post seems completely wrong if you'd have read the article.
2012-09-21 10:15:06 PM  
1 votes:
Proof that just because you have capitalism, doesn't necessarily follow that you get freedom (or democracy)
pla
2012-09-21 10:15:01 PM  
1 votes:
I would post a mockery of what the "former" Soviet Union calls justice...

But since Italy beat them to it last year by prosecuting geologists for causing earthquakes with sheep's bladders, well, not really much to say here.

/ And don't even get me started on creationists and global warming deniers... Hey, perhaps we can finally find the "missing link" in the newly-navigable Northwest Passage! 
// Not really necessary, for those who don't get the joke.
2012-09-21 10:09:14 PM  
1 votes:
If there's one thing I've learned from The Gulag Archipelago it's that "You can't just put someone in jail for X" is never true in Russia.


/ "They just sentenced me to 25 years in here! For nothing!"
// "You're lying. We all know the sentence for nothing is 10 years." 
2012-09-21 10:05:12 PM  
1 votes:
pxlboy:
That's exactly what I was planning to post. I love the fact that an image can be both the joke and punchline without a single word being typed.
2012-09-21 09:56:24 PM  
1 votes:
Hey, with uncle Vlad he better be glad he just got sent for reeducation and not polonium 210 poisoning
2012-09-21 09:52:30 PM  
1 votes:
With modern chemical analysis, purity is impossible.
2012-09-21 09:52:14 PM  
1 votes:
she shares a cell with Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, a member of the prominent activist punk band Pussy Riot..

Make a band: Chemical Pussy Riot.
2012-09-21 09:51:57 PM  
1 votes:
My fondest wish is death for all authoritarians.
2012-09-21 09:45:40 PM  
1 votes:
Looks like the other side of the world has a Texas, too.
2012-09-21 09:44:13 PM  
1 votes:
and don't call me Shirley.
 
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