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(Nature)   "Surely you cannot put a scientist in jail just because you don't like her opinion?" Apparently you can in Russia   (nature.com) divider line 95
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2012-09-21 10:31:49 PM  
Don't worry. The USA is way worse.
 
2012-09-21 10:38:03 PM  

kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.


Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?
 
2012-09-21 10:38:04 PM  
In USSR, everyone is entitled (required) to the Russian government's opinion. Ask Nagy or Dubcek.
 
2012-09-21 10:51:37 PM  

DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.


Nope! That can't be true! Because I must be trolling! Glorious Mother America is far better then Communist Russia.
 
2012-09-21 10:55:26 PM  
Your face is an opinion.
 
2012-09-21 10:58:13 PM  

Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?


That's a nice poll you got there Link
 
2012-09-21 11:01:49 PM  

DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.


Not a convicted Felon? You just haven't been charged and convicted yet. Welcome to the USA.
 
2012-09-21 11:06:17 PM  

Linkster: DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.

Not a convicted Felon? You just haven't been charged and convicted yet. Welcome to the USA.


The fun part about getting arrested in America is anything you say can be used against you, but not in your own defense.
 
2012-09-21 11:06:40 PM  
Apparently Of course you can in Russia.

Hate to break it to you, but it's not the democratic paradise Reagan said it is.
 
2012-09-21 11:18:13 PM  

fluffy2097: Linkster: DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.

Not a convicted Felon? You just haven't been charged and convicted yet. Welcome to the USA.

The fun part about getting arrested in America is anything you say can be used against you, but not in your own defense.


Exactly why any defense attorney will tell you (and even some cops will admit) that if ever arrested you should not say a single farking thing. When they say "anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law" they're not joking.
 
2012-09-21 11:24:09 PM  

DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.


Hate to break it to you, but after reading the article, while that man drew the short straw, he knew exactly what he was doing the whole time and broke a number of laws.
 
2012-09-21 11:29:47 PM  

badhatharry: Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?

That's a nice poll you got there Link


Interesting story, but it is still not a case where an expert witness was arrested for giving testimony that the prosecution did not like.
 
2012-09-21 11:30:31 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: fluffy2097: She was jailed for dealing with people trying to make heroin.

Just like she would be in the united states.

I fail to see why this is a Russian problem.

Look how stupid you are.


You fell for an obvious troll, who's the stupid one?
 
2012-09-21 11:30:51 PM  

Tyranicle: rev. dave: Tyranicle: shamalamadingdong: Looks like the other side of the world has a Texas, too.

I'm a Texan and as far as I know we've never lived under communism or imprisoned citizens in gulags for disagreeing against the policies of the 'state'.

I don't know anything about Texas. But Russia is more capitalist than we are in the US. The rich run the show there.

Revolt, then. Eutopia is beyond that brown hill you stare at, in despair.


Actually she stated facts that were inconvenient to the prosecutor and the rich moralistic conservatives in power and he(?) chose to trump up charges and railroad her, which happens here in Texas all the time.
 
2012-09-21 11:36:27 PM  

Mock26: badhatharry: Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?

That's a nice poll you got there Link

Interesting story, but it is still not a case where an expert witness was arrested for giving testimony that the prosecution did not like.


I doubt it. "Expert" witnesses are still fairly protected. Character witnesses and people who know the defendant and live in the same gutter on the other hand, plenty of them get tossed in the slammer for delivering witness testimony the prosecution didn't like.

An interesting question is, are these things morally equivalent?
 
2012-09-21 11:41:33 PM  

Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?


Look at the big picture. The United States has the highest percentage of its population incarcerated of any country in the world, is one of few developed countries using the death penalty for crimes less than war crimes or treason (Russia, for example, no longer uses it), is one of few countries that routinely sentences people to life without parole, and until very recently was the only country in the world that would sentence juvenile offenders to life without parole. It's a system that, while less affected by petty personal corruption, is exceptionally punitive and systematically seeks gross, arbitrary, and disproportionate outcomes with the primary goal being to increase the system's power and intimidate all future defendants. It wants defense attorneys to believe that anyone charged with a crime had better plead guilty because virtually anything can be criminal if prosecutors decide it is, you will not get acquitted of every felony charge they can apply to you, and resistance is futile. A little more Russian-style petty corruption certainly wouldn't improve the American system but might make it seem more like it's made of human beings than machines.

"We hardly have trials anymore."
 
2012-09-21 11:56:16 PM  

Christian Bale: legion_of_doo: Mock26: Just ask Pussy Riot about justice in Russia.

just ask that Mohammed film guy how we deal with speech that the government doesn't approve of in the United States.


You mean by doing nothing?


Apology tour by the president for aplologizing for your idiocy and bigotry?
 
2012-09-21 11:57:22 PM  
Dear Russia,

Go fark yourself.

Sincerely,
A chemist
 
2012-09-22 12:17:15 AM  
James Hansen, the #1 global warming, sky is falling, chicken little dude, he wants people who disagree with him charged with crimes against humanity.

...even though the scientist own data show that world has not warmed ANY in the last 15+ years.
 
2012-09-22 12:28:06 AM  
This is the same country that had it's aces executed when they complained about the KV-1's propensity to catch fire.
 
2012-09-22 12:29:10 AM  

BronyMedic: This is the same country that had it's aces executed when they complained about the KV-1's propensity to catch fire.


And they still manage to win wars.

Don't fark with Russia.
 
2012-09-22 01:54:27 AM  

SquiggsIN: Nem Wan: Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?

Look at the big picture. The United States has the highest percentage of its population incarcerated of any country in the world, is one of few developed countries using the death penalty for crimes less than war crimes or treason (Russia, for example, no longer uses it), is one of few countries that routinely sentences people to life without parole, and until very recently was the only country in the world that would sentence juvenile offenders to life without parole. It's a system that, while less affected by petty personal corruption, is exceptionally punitive and systematically seeks gross, arbitrary, and disproportionate outcomes with the primary goal being to increase the system's power and intimidate all future defendants. It wants defense attorneys to believe that anyone charged with a crime had better plead guilty because virtually anything can be criminal if prosecutors decide it is, you will not get acquitted of every felony charge they can apply to you, and resistance is futile. A little more Russian-style petty corruption certainly wouldn't improve the American system but might make it seem more like it's made of human beings than machines.

"We hardly have trials anymore."

You've completely missed the bigger than big picture. It's about money. Most prison systems have been contracted out to be run by FOR-PROFIT private companies. It's about making money for them by keeping more and more people locked up. Everyone involved in the process of arresting, detaining, defending, convicting, and housing prisoners gets a cut of the money.

(It's the same reason the war on drugs is going strong after 40 years of epic failure)


Regular cops don't get a cut of the money, they just get the thrill of power.
 
2012-09-22 02:46:19 AM  

pla: I would post a mockery of what the "former" Soviet Union calls justice...

But since Italy beat them to it last year by prosecuting geologists for causing earthquakes with sheep's bladders, well, not really much to say here.

/ And don't even get me started on creationists and global warming deniers... Hey, perhaps we can finally find the "missing link" in the newly-navigable Northwest Passage! 
// Not really necessary, for those who don't get the joke.


You're Italian?
 
2012-09-22 03:29:30 AM  
SevenizGud:
James Hansen, the #1 global warming, sky is falling, chicken little dude, he wants people who disagree with him charged with crimes against humanity.

...even though the scientist own data show that world has not warmed ANY in the last 15+ years.

Yep, and Farkers have called for beatings, prison, and death for anyone who refuses to drink the warmer alarmist Kool-Aid...
It COULD happen here, if the government wants something badly enough.
 
2012-09-22 03:55:08 AM  

DrPainMD: Could be worse. She could be in prison in the US for manufacturing medical devices.


Hey, thanks Drug Warriors.

Hope you all die from a disease that guy could have prevented, if you hadn't tossed him in prison.
 
2012-09-22 05:17:06 AM  
 
2012-09-22 06:04:42 AM  
 
2012-09-22 06:20:34 AM  

GeneralJim: SevenizGud: James Hansen, the #1 global warming, sky is falling, chicken little dude, he wants people who disagree with him charged with crimes against humanity.

...even though the scientist own data show that world has not warmed ANY in the last 15+ years.
Yep, and Farkers have called for beatings, prison, and death for anyone who refuses to drink the warmer alarmist Kool-Aid...
It COULD happen here, if the government wants something badly enough.


"warmer alarmist Kool-Aid" AKA the truth. Heaven forbid people stop denying what science overwhelmingly supports and switch to solar/wind. Because, you know, if by some sort of magic, CO2 doesn't absorb heat in the atmosphere like it does in the lab, we would be switching to clean, sustainable energy not monopolized by authoritarian dictatorships... for NOTHING!
 
2012-09-22 07:06:49 AM  
CygnusDarius:
she shares a cell with Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, a member of the prominent activist punk band Pussy Riot..

Make a band: Chemical Pussy Riot.


At least she's not stuck bunking with "Tatiana, the midnight face-stabber of Murmansk", I suppose. This is outrageous, anyway, and a clear attempt to threaten witnesses into giving testimony the prosecutors approve of.
 
2012-09-22 09:05:38 AM  
Robert Bork has explicitly argued that the First Amendment does not apply to scientific literature (or for that matter for literature). Some guy called Mitt has him as an adviser.
 
2012-09-22 09:10:30 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Robert Bork has explicitly argued that the First Amendment does not apply to scientific literature (or for that matter for literature). Some guy called Mitt has him as an adviser.


Shush! Any opinion that points out the problems with the United States is trolling and will get you ignored by "serious" (lol) farkers.
 
2012-09-22 09:51:00 AM  

Texas Gabe: omnibus_necanda_sunt: fluffy2097: She was jailed for dealing with people trying to make heroin.

Just like she would be in the united states.

I fail to see why this is a Russian problem.

Look how stupid you are.

You fell for an obvious troll, who's the stupid one?


Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-09-22 10:20:02 AM  

dbrunker: pxlboy:
That's exactly what I was planning to post. I love the fact that an image can be both the joke and punchline without a single word being typed.


Yes.
 
2012-09-22 11:37:12 AM  
CourtroomWolf:
"warmer alarmist Kool-Aid" AKA the truth. Heaven forbid people stop denying what science overwhelmingly supports and switch to solar/wind. Because, you know, if by some sort of magic, CO2 doesn't absorb heat in the atmosphere like it does in the lab, we would be switching to clean, sustainable energy not monopolized by authoritarian dictatorships... for NOTHING!

Egad, THIS old canard.

Clearly, you have the solution. Because, right now, the biggest problem facing the world is what to do with all the spare money floating around. Nothing like spending several times as much on energy as we do now to fix that.

And, by the way, Einstein, Both solar and wind cannot be counted on for coverage. A few still and cloudy days, and you have a blackout -- the real power plants need to stay as "backup" power plants.

And you think the SCIENCE supports AGW? What a crock. A few examples:

Errors in Scientific Data, Programs, and Methodology

Computer source code shows data manipulation. Article HERE. (new window)

Climatology Peer-Review is Completely Corrupt

Climate Science Needs Light -- Climatology Peer Review Process Irreparably Broken. Article HERE. (new window)

IPCC Used Greenpeace Campaigner To Write 'Impartial' Report On Renewable Energy, and review his own work. Article HERE. (new window)

Climatology Peer Review Process Failure: "Impossible" Conclusions in alarmist paper pass peer-review; AAAS withdraws paper. Article HERE. (new window)

UN wrongly linked global warming to natural disasters. Article HERE. (original removed) (new window)

Scientific Errors Made by the IPCC

And, here is a list of some of the gross errors in scientific method and practice which have become part of the IPCC credo. List HERE. (new window)

IPCC science includes the idea that carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere more than 100 years, contradicting ALL of the available peer-reviewed research. Chart HERE. (new window)

Research shows that "carbon dioxide starvation" most likely led to a die-off of C3 plant species, the rise of C4 plant species, and a die-off of animals unable to digest grasses. Paper HERE. HERE. (new window)

Peer-Reviewed literature showing that climate sensitivity is actually MUCH less than the IPCC suggests, 2.0 to 4.5 K, at 66% certainty. Data from OBSERVATIONS show the least sensitivity, "data" from models show the most.

Improved constraints on 21st-century warming derived using 160 years of temperature observations (new window)
Data Source: Observational -- Sensitivity: (1.3 to 1.8 K)

An Observationally Based Estimate of the Climate Sensitivity (new window)
Data Source: Observational - Sensitivity: (1.7 to 2.3 K)

Probabilistic estimated of transient climate sensitivity subject to uncertainty in forcing and natural variability (new window)
Data Source: Mostly Observational - Sensitivity: (Most Likely: 1.6 K, Range: 1.3 to 2.6 K, 90% certainty)

The Climate Sensitivity and Its Components Diagnosed from Earth Radiation Budget Data (new window)
Data Source: Mostly Observational - Sensitivity: 0.7-2.4 K using best fit, 1.0-3.6 K using worst case

On the generation and interpretation of probabilistic estimates of climate sensitivity (new window)
Data Source: Analysis of other papers - Sensitivity: Upper limit of 4.5 K, > 95% certainty

On the Misdiagnosis of Surface Temperature Feedbacks from Variations in Earth's Radiant Energy Balance (new window)
Data Source: Comparison of Observed and Modeled results - Sensitivity "substantially" lower than models indicate, but not quantifiable with existing data


The stable stationary value of the Earth's global average atmospheric Planck-weighted Greenhouse gas optical thickness.
(new window)
Data Source: Observation and Modeled - Climate sensitivity approx. ¼ that of current CGM models

Climate Sensitivity Estimated from Temperature Reconstructions of the Last Glacial Maximum (new window)
Data Source: Primarily Modeled - Climate sensitivity: (1.7 to 2.6 K, 66% probability)

Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth's Climate System (new window)
Data Source: Primarily Observation - Climate sensitivity: (0.6 to 1.6 K)

A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions (new window)
Data Source: Comparison of Modeled and Observed - Conclusion: No positive feedback, models are inconsistent with reality

On the diagnosis of radiative feedback in the presence of unknown radiative forcing (new window)
Data Source: Comparison of Modeled and Observed - Conclusion: GCM predictions do not correlate with reality.

On the determination of climate feedbacks from ERBE data (new window)
Data Source: Primarily Observation - Climate sensitivity: (0.5 K)

Limits on climate sensitivity derived from recent satellite and surface observations
Data Source: Primary Observation - Current IPCC estimates (3K) are too large by a factor of at least 2.

Tropical Water Vapor and Cloud Feedbacks in Climate Models: A Further Assessment Using Coupled Simulations (new window)
Comparison of Modeled and Observed - Conclusions:
- CGMs overestimate WV feedback from 25% to 45%, depending on model.
- All models greatly underestimate cloud albedo negative feedback

Greenhouse effect in semi-transparent planetary atmospheres (new window)
Primarily Mathematical, using Observation - Climate sensitivity: (0.24 to 1.10 K)

Note that when the suggested correction to the math error is included in the models, they at least sort of accurately predict the present from historical data. Without the corrections, they do not. Awkward.
Descriptions of and discussion about the above article:

0. Modeling Global Warming (Miskolczi Part 1)
4. Models of Greenhouse Effect
5. Greenhouse Effect Physics
6. Greenhouse Heat Engine

Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts (new window)

Polynomial Cointegration Tests of the Anthropogenic Theory of Global Warming (new window) (This paper not published in a peer-reviewed journal.)

Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data (new window) (This research may be a flier.)

Attempts to Deny the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age

History of climate gets 'erased' online. Article HERE. (new window)

CRU Director Phil Jones: "...surface temperature data are in such disarray they probably cannot be verified or replicated." Article HERE. (new window)

First, the metric arse-load of data points showing the MWP was world-wide is HERE. (new window)

M.I.T. Technology Review: Hockey Stick is Bogus. Article HERE. (new window)

Phil Jones admits MWP was real. Article HERE. (new window)

U.N., IPCC, CRUnies, and Dr. Pachauri Specific Corruption

IPCC Official: "Climate Policy Is Redistributing The World's Wealth." Article HERE. (new window)

The curious case of the expanding environmental group with falling income. Article HERE. (new window)

Taxpayers' millions paid to Indian institute run by UN climate chief. Article HERE. (new window)

Michael Mann Accused of More False Reporting. Article HERE. (new window)

IPCC Literature is not peer-reviewed or error-checked. Report HERE. (new window)

Data Manipulation Fraud

Accounting auditing brought to bear on climate data. It is discovered that NASA's GISS data and the Hadley CRU's data have been manufactured. That is, faked. Article HERE. (new window)

NASA Caught in Climate Data Manipulation; New Revelations Headlined on KUSI-TV Climate Special. Article HERE. (new window)

NASA Gets Caught Faking Climate Change Data Again. Article HERE. (new window)

Google Warming: Google Sponsors Student To Fabricate "Global Warming" Temperatures For NASA. Article Google Warming: Google Sponsors Student To Fabricate "Global Warming" Temperatures For NASA" Article HERE.

New Report: Why NOAA and NASA Proclamations Should Be Ignored. Article HERE.

Data Corruption At GISS. Article HERE. (new window)

US Government in Massive New Global Warming Scandal - NOAA Disgraced. Article HERE. (new window)

Pre-Climategate: "Unprecedented" Data Purge At CRU. Article HERE. (new window)

Climategate: Leaked Emails Inspired Data Analyses Show Claimed Warming Greatly Exaggerated and NOAA not CRU is Ground Zero. Article HERE. (new window)

Phil Jones: the Secret Agent in Hawaii. Article HERE. (new window)

Hockey Stick, 1998-2005, R.I.P. Article HERE. (new window)

NASA's James Hansen's Lies, Miscues, Incorrect Forecasts, and Fraud

James Hansen Apologizes for Using Next Year's Climate Data in October Report. Article HERE. (new window)

James Hansen Caught Altering Data to Eliminate Cooling. Article HERE. (new window)

Data Corruption at NASA's GISS - Article HERE. (new window)

Some of his lies, follies, and idiocies are documented HERE. (new window)

Examination and analysis of James Hansen's bullshiat forcing claims is HERE. (new window)

Climate Models that Don't

IPCC model for climate sensitivity is not supported by experimental observation on ancient ice ages and recent satellite data. Article HERE. (new window)

Climate Models Ignore Effect of Albedo, which is larger than GHE. Article HERE. (new window)

Svensmark: The Cloud Mystery (new window)

CERN's CLOUD Experiment Trashes AGW Theory, massively supports Svensmark (new window)

Solar activity affects cosmic rays, cloud formation is suppressed, and the planet warms. A good article, including a link to the original paper, is found HERE. (new window)

The Consensus itself is a Fraud

Climate Change Now Questioned At German Universities - Professors Speaking Up. Article HERE. (new window)

The 97% 'Consensus' plummets to 34.7%. Article HERE. (new window)

No Proof Man Causes Global Warming. Article HERE. (new window)

The IPCC consensus on climate change was phoney, says IPCC insider. Article HERE. (new window)

Personal, Financial, Professional Attacks on Skeptics and the public.

Climate Alarmist Calls For Burning Down Skeptics' Homes. Article HERE. (new window)

Daily Kos Editor Says Skeptics Should Commit Suicide. Article HERE. (new window)

Scientists propose using "climate crisis" as excuse to set up scientific dictatorship. Review of their book HERE. (new window)

PNAS publishes a paper based on a skeptic blacklist. Article HERE. (new window)

Best refutation of the Global Warming scam ever.

Deconstructing Global Warming

Richard S. Lindzen,
Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Sciences
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Video (new window)

PDF file (new window)
 
2012-09-22 12:05:42 PM  
GeneralJim:

In all the years I've been on Fark, that's the longest comment I've ever seen. The Warmers aren't going to like it though.
 
2012-09-22 07:23:54 PM  

Tyranicle: shamalamadingdong: Looks like the other side of the world has a Texas, too.

I'm a Texan and as far as I know we've never lived under communism or imprisoned citizens in gulags for disagreeing against the policies of the 'state'.


No, you've consistently had one of the worst records for political corruption in the US, with plenty of politically-oriented murders; you may have seen a film of one of the more famous of these. Look up the San Saba Co. vigilante murders, where large numbers of Texans were robbed of their land and/or murdered. The plot of Walking Tall has nothing on Texas when it comes to political criminality, a record including some of the heaviest use of chain-gang legalized post-1865 slavery, making use of forced labor largely based on spurious vagrancy charges. Thanks to LBJ, Texas gave us the Vietnam War, as well as John Tower, Dick Armey, Jack Abramoff, that roach chaser with the pointy ears I can't name now, and of course the Bushes.

Texans are scum.
 
2012-09-22 07:29:49 PM  

fluffy2097: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Look how stupid you are.

you still think the war on drugs is working huh?

Oh no, giving people 10 years for weed is totally different.


She was an expert witness, you stoopid farking coont.
 
2012-09-22 09:25:08 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: She was an expert witness, you stoopid farking coont.


People who make plastic vials that end up in the drug trade are arrested in America.

In Russia, you have to be an expert witness involved in the drug trade.

I fail to see how either countries solution is "more free".

Farkers seem to be incapable of seeing the nuance in the situation. This sort of miscarriage of justice can only happen in "Not the USA"(TM).
 
2012-09-23 03:37:54 AM  

GeneralJim: CourtroomWolf: "warmer alarmist Kool-Aid" AKA the truth. Heaven forbid people stop denying what science overwhelmingly supports and switch to solar/wind. Because, you know, if by some sort of magic, CO2 doesn't absorb heat in the atmosphere like it does in the lab, we would be switching to clean, sustainable energy not monopolized by authoritarian dictatorships... for NOTHING!
Egad, THIS old canard.

Clearly, you have the solution. Because, right now, the biggest problem facing the world is what to do with all the spare money floating around. Nothing like spending several times as much on energy as we do now to fix that.

And, by the way, Einstein, Both solar and wind cannot be counted on for coverage. A few still and cloudy days, and you have a blackout -- the real power plants need to stay as "backup" power plants.

And you think the SCIENCE supports AGW? What a crock. A few examples:

Errors in Scientific Data, Programs, and Methodology

Computer source code shows data manipulation. Article HERE. (new window)

Climatology Peer-Review is Completely Corrupt

Climate Science Needs Light -- Climatology Peer Review Process Irreparably Broken. Article HERE. (new window)

IPCC Used Greenpeace Campaigner To Write 'Impartial' Report On Renewable Energy, and review his own work. Article HERE. (new window)

Climatology Peer Review Process Failure: "Impossible" Conclusions in alarmist paper pass peer-review; AAAS withdraws paper. Article HERE. (new window)

UN wrongly linked global warming to natural disasters. Article HERE. (original removed) (new window)

Scientific Errors Made by the IPCC

And, here is a list of some of the gross errors in scientific method and practice which have become part of the IPCC credo. List HERE. (new window)

IPCC science includes the idea that carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere more than 100 years, contradicting ALL of the available peer-reviewed research. Chart HERE. (new window)

Research shows that "carbon dioxide starvation ...


Hey Einstein, what is wrong about doing everything we can, within reason, to limit our impact upon the Earth? Hmmm? Forget whether or not we are causing global warming or contributing to it or whatever else. Why not operate under the assumption that we are having some sort of a negative impact on the environment and then seeking to reduce that impact? Is that really such a horrible thing?
 
2012-09-23 03:40:14 AM  

SquiggsIN: Nem Wan: Mock26: kombat_unit: Don't worry. The USA is way worse.

Care to quote some examples where, in an American court, an expert witness was arrested because the prosecutor did not like the answers that were provided?

Look at the big picture. The United States has the highest percentage of its population incarcerated of any country in the world, is one of few developed countries using the death penalty for crimes less than war crimes or treason (Russia, for example, no longer uses it), is one of few countries that routinely sentences people to life without parole, and until very recently was the only country in the world that would sentence juvenile offenders to life without parole. It's a system that, while less affected by petty personal corruption, is exceptionally punitive and systematically seeks gross, arbitrary, and disproportionate outcomes with the primary goal being to increase the system's power and intimidate all future defendants. It wants defense attorneys to believe that anyone charged with a crime had better plead guilty because virtually anything can be criminal if prosecutors decide it is, you will not get acquitted of every felony charge they can apply to you, and resistance is futile. A little more Russian-style petty corruption certainly wouldn't improve the American system but might make it seem more like it's made of human beings than machines.

"We hardly have trials anymore."

You've completely missed the bigger than big picture. It's about money. Most prison systems have been contracted out to be run by FOR-PROFIT private companies. It's about making money for them by keeping more and more people locked up. Everyone involved in the process of arresting, detaining, defending, convicting, and housing prisoners gets a cut of the money.

(It's the same reason the war on drugs is going strong after 40 years of epic failure)


No one, in my entire life, has ever tried to sell me any illegal drugs. Seems that the war on drugs is going great!

:-D
 
2012-09-23 12:21:04 PM  
dbrunker:
GeneralJim:

In all the years I've been on Fark, that's the longest comment I've ever seen. The Warmers aren't going to like it though.

Yeah, it's long and distinguished, like my... well, never mind... It's a list of links I've compiled of stories documenting various things: Reports of data manipulation in the global data sets; personal corruption of high officials of the Church of Global Warming; Documentation of the immense failure of models based upon the warmer hypothesis; and a bunch of peer-reviewed scientific literature indicating, and in some cases measuring, that the atmosphere is WAY less sensitive to carbon dioxide levels than the warmer alarmists claim. It's especially nice to post the list in threads where warmers are accusing anyone not buying their snake oil of being "deniers" of science -- and then watch them deny the peer-reviewed science. I loves me some irony.

And, the warmers won't like it? Meh. How about I drink an extra beer in honor of their impotent rage, and call it even?
 
2012-09-23 12:52:29 PM  
BolshyGreatYarblocks:
Tyranicle: shamalamadingdong: Looks like the other side of the world has a Texas, too.

I'm a Texan and as far as I know we've never lived under communism or imprisoned citizens in gulags for disagreeing against the policies of the 'state'.

No, you've consistently had one of the worst records for political corruption in the US, with plenty of politically-oriented murders; you may have seen a film of one of the more famous of these. Look up the San Saba Co. vigilante murders, where large numbers of Texans were robbed of their land and/or murdered. The plot of Walking Tall has nothing on Texas when it comes to political criminality, a record including some of the heaviest use of chain-gang legalized post-1865 slavery, making use of forced labor largely based on spurious vagrancy charges. Thanks to LBJ, Texas gave us the Vietnam War, as well as John Tower, Dick Armey, Jack Abramoff, that roach chaser with the pointy ears I can't name now, and of course the Bushes.

Texans are scum.

Looks like your statement isn't true. Texas is middle of the road. You might want to get checked for Bush Derangement Syndrome. Actual ranking of the states for corruption, with the cleanest first:

Grading the states

B+ 87% New Jersey
B 86% Connecticut
B- 83% Washington
B- 81% California
B- 80% Nebraska
C+ 79% Mississippi
C+ 78% Iowa
C 76% Tennessee
C 75% Kansas
C 74% Hawaii
C 74% Illinois
C 74% Massachusetts
C 74% Rhode Island
C- 73% Oregon
C- 72% Alabama
C- 72% Louisiana
C- 72% Missouri
C- 71% Florida
C- 71% Kentucky
C- 71% North Carolina
C- 71% Pennsylvania
C- 70% Delaware
C- 70% Indiana
C- 70% Wisconsin
D+ 69% Minnesota
D+ 69% Vermont
D+ 68% Alaska
D+68% Arizona
D+ 68% Arkansas
D+ 68% Montana
D+ 68% Texas ------
D+ 68% West Virginia
D+ 67% Colorado
D 66% New Hampshire
D 66% Ohio
D 65% New York
D 65% Utah
D 64% Oklahoma
D- 62% New Mexico
D- 61% Idaho
D- 61% Maryland
D- 60% Nevada
F 58% Michigan
F 58% North Dakota
F 57% South Carolina
F 56% Maine
F 55% Virginia
F 52% Wyoming
F 50% South Dakota
F 49% Georgia


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2012-09-23 01:06:40 PM  
Mock26:
Hey Einstein, what is wrong about doing everything we can, within reason, to limit our impact upon the Earth? Hmmm? Forget whether or not we are causing global warming or contributing to it or whatever else. Why not operate under the assumption that we are having some sort of a negative impact on the environment and then seeking to reduce that impact? Is that really such a horrible thing?

Wow. Limit our negative impact on the Earth. Did you figure that out all by yourself? You must be a wizard.

Well, you're wrong. We don't have the time, money, or energy to limit our negative impact on the Earth. We are WAY too busy freaking out over the fact that we are replenishing a vital gas into the atmosphere, a gas that had almost disappeared, which, should it disappear completely, would end all life on Earth. Plants have been evolving to deal with the very low levels of this gas. But we're going to stop it, dammit. How, you ask? By stopping its production in the developed world, and allowing its production to increase in the third world, and (of course) by sending trillions of dollars from the first world to the third world. And, although this plan will, according to those backing it, allow carbon dioxide levels to continue to increase, will solve the problem of too much plant food in the air. Well, at least if we send enough money to the third world, fast enough.
 
2012-09-23 05:26:47 PM  

GeneralJim: GeneralJim:

[...]

And, the warmers won't like it? Meh. How about I drink an extra beer in honor of their impotent rage, and call it even?


Please do ^_^
 
2012-09-23 06:02:36 PM  
dbrunker:
GeneralJim: GeneralJim:

[...]

And, the warmers won't like it? Meh. How about I drink an extra beer in honor of their impotent rage, and call it even?

Please do ^_^

Consider that sucker consumed. Oh, yeah, and it's about time to drop the following here:

i48.tinypic.com
 
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