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(The Sun)   Bedridden severely disabled teen, who's on life support, told he must prove he can't work to get incapacity benefits   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 143
    More: Asinine, incapacity benefit, child welfare, DWP, Middlesbrough  
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2012-09-21 05:21:19 PM  
Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?
 
2012-09-21 06:02:11 PM  
Nevermind that, did you see the link to the pics of Iman? Holy crap, she's aged very nicely.
 
2012-09-21 06:25:02 PM  
Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?


Because, Jesus.
 
2012-09-21 06:56:05 PM  
So the kid got the same letter as everyone else on disability. Big deal. The only reason this is news is that they parents had gone on vacation so they weren't able to respond in time.

"I don't think they really understand the situation and if they'd just looked into his National Insurance number or looked into his records properly they would realise he can't work."

Bureaucrats from one department rarely have full access to records from another department, especially things that may contain sensitive medical information.
 
2012-09-21 08:08:02 PM  
This is what welfare cuts look like.
 
2012-09-21 08:55:36 PM  
He's 47, no?

*grrr*
 
2012-09-21 08:55:38 PM  
Should be pretty easy to prove. I mean, either they show up and see him (benefits granted) or they schedule him an appointment that he can't make because he's completely incapacitated (benefits granted).

/dnrtfa
//I'm trying to have a good night, wouldn't want to read that
///I'd probably want to murder someone
 
2012-09-21 08:56:50 PM  
Attendants noted: *bow*

P.S. Karma isn't nice, but I am...
 
2012-09-21 08:57:55 PM  

mooseyfate: Should be pretty easy to prove. I mean, either they show up and see him (benefits granted) or they schedule him an appointment that he can't make because he's completely incapacitated (benefits granted).

/dnrtfa
//I'm trying to have a good night, wouldn't want to read that
///I'd probably want to murder someone


"Language, counselor."
 
2012-09-21 08:58:53 PM  
send them a doctor's note.
 
2012-09-21 08:58:55 PM  
File paperwork, get free money.
 
2012-09-21 08:59:03 PM  

ArkAngel: So the kid got the same letter as everyone else on disability. Big deal. The only reason this is news is that they parents had gone on vacation so they weren't able to respond in time.

"I don't think they really understand the situation and if they'd just looked into his National Insurance number or looked into his records properly they would realise he can't work."

Bureaucrats from one department rarely have full access to records from another department, especially things that may contain sensitive medical information.


Your rational and thoughtful analysis is not welcome here!

/Was debating "walk it off" vs "suck it up, kid!"
 
2012-09-21 08:59:08 PM  
Socialized medicine to the rescue!
 
2012-09-21 09:00:54 PM  
Then; it shouldn't be hard for him to prove that he can't work.

/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-09-21 09:01:13 PM  

GAT_00: This is what welfare cuts look like.


Dufus: Socialized medicine to the rescue!


So, is it Obama or Romney that's to blame?
 
2012-09-21 09:01:59 PM  
Oh, sure~ He can't work? Than why do the photos clearly show him playing soccer???
 
2012-09-21 09:03:14 PM  
I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.
 
2012-09-21 09:04:07 PM  
He's just like half of Americans. They all think that somebody should give 'em something for nothing. Get a job you bum!
 
2012-09-21 09:05:07 PM  
"Serve."
 
2012-09-21 09:05:45 PM  
wtf? well the company does need paperwork. they cant just keep his benefits going without any... what a stupid article.
 
2012-09-21 09:07:17 PM  
We should chip in to get him a hooker to lick his face.
/Pretty farked up when you know you'll never get any for the rest of your life
 
2012-09-21 09:07:38 PM  
I'm sure he could some kind of work. We're always told that no one is handicapped, just differently abled.
 
2012-09-21 09:08:02 PM  

dark side of the moon: I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.


She could work in a daycare right? She would love love love to watch the same Disney movies over and over. Get her a comfy chair, put the movie on for her and the others and go for a smoke.
 
2012-09-21 09:09:43 PM  

Acharne: dark side of the moon: I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.

She could work in a daycare right? She would love love love to watch the same Disney movies over and over. Get her a comfy chair, put the movie on for her and the others and go for a smoke.


You are cruel, sir.
 
2012-09-21 09:11:53 PM  
THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERIC.......oh, it's the U.K. Never mind....DEATH PANELS!!!
 
2012-09-21 09:12:08 PM  

dark side of the moon: I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.


I can't blame your mother for complaining. Bureaucracy and completely rigid regulations and the drones that enforce them are a giant PITA sometimes. Having somebody fill out forms and wait around in the office for a few hours yearly/quarterly/monthly is a waste of everyone's time when a letter from a FREAKING PHYSICIAN that says that the condition is permanent should do the trick, well, permanently.

I guess you have to justify the jobs somehow, but seriously, what a waste of everyone's time.
 
2012-09-21 09:15:48 PM  
The future of Obamacare?
 
2012-09-21 09:16:28 PM  

dark side of the moon: I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.


Is she hot?
/You knew this was coming
 
2012-09-21 09:16:48 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The future of Obamacare?


Republican rhetoric.
 
2012-09-21 09:17:06 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?


Because as long as he has a working brain which is capable of at least a shred of higher brain function, the State frowns on that sort of thing.
 
2012-09-21 09:17:26 PM  

Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.


So; you're saying that everyone with a grim prognosis should just be unplugged?

I realize that's not what you are saying; my point being, with the medical advances today, it is possible that hither-to incurable diseases could be cured.

Example: 40 years ago; my maternal grandmother gave birth to twins prematurely; both died within days. 3 or 4 months ago; one of the ladies I work with gave birth to twins in almost the exact same circumstances. Both children are still alive. Draw your own conclusions
 
2012-09-21 09:19:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?


Done in one. Why is this piece of meat being kept alive? How cruel and selfish can people be? The parents should be imprisoned for doing this.
 
2012-09-21 09:19:17 PM  
Next up on Fox News: Obamacare is so bad it's farking over the families of disabled teenagers in Britain!
 
2012-09-21 09:19:22 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The future of Obamacare?




The sad thing is, if you replace "Obamacare" with "State Medicaid" and "future" to "current", you go from being derpy to the truth.
 
2012-09-21 09:19:48 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: dark side of the moon: I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.

Is she hot?
/You knew this was coming


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2012-09-21 09:19:59 PM  

Acharne: dark side of the moon: I've mentioned it here before but my younger sister is mentally handicapped. She's 33 with the mental capacity of a toddler. My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits. My mom usually complains about it being a pain because she's obviously handicapped but you do what you have to do.
/I'm eternally grateful my sister is not physically handicapped too.

She could work in a daycare right? She would love love love to watch the same Disney movies over and over. Get her a comfy chair, put the movie on for her and the others and go for a smoke.


My sis actually goes to "work" everyday at a facility that is run by the state and is designed specifically as a place for mentally and/or physically disable adults to work. They call it work but they usually play games, do puzzles, make crafts, or watch movies. Their "work" consists of putting labels on bars of soap and bottles of lotion. Her "work" is her life. We're lucky enough to have a good public Paratransit system that picks my sis up every morning, takes her to work, and brings her home at the end of the day. I care for my sister quite frequently when my parents go out of town or more recently, when my mom had surgery to have a cancerous kidney removed.
Anyway, don't know why I went on and on but, there you go. :)
 
2012-09-21 09:20:26 PM  

Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.


Hitler started killing off severely handicapped people, then it went to most handicapped people, and eventually to all genetically inferior people. Who gets to decide where you draw the line. Do you kill off all the people over 65?
 
2012-09-21 09:20:30 PM  

dark side of the moon: My mom has to take her in once a year and have her declared disabled in order for her to maintain her benefits.


Sorry if this sounds insensitive, but: WTF! Do they expect she will get better? Is there no diagnosis a panel of doctors could give to say 'unfortunately, she will never get better'?

/I hate government bs...
 
2012-09-21 09:21:35 PM  

skwerl: Done in one. Why is this piece of meat being kept alive? How cruel and selfish can people be? The parents should be imprisoned for doing this.


You're a dick. This isn't someone who's brain dead.

He's got a neuromuscular wasting disease, per TFA. He's, otherwise, quite with it from a neurological perspective more than likely.

The decision to stop his life support should be his and his alone. Not his parents. Not yours. And not some busy-body evangelical who thought Terri Schiavo was more than a corpse.
 
2012-09-21 09:23:06 PM  
I read the article, and given my own condition I have a great deal of sympathy for the family.

I was born--by virtue of my mother having a sinus infection during her pregnancy--with a congenital defect in my spine which resulted in vertebrae in my neck broken or fused. If there is a shift in one of my neck vertebrae of about three millimeters, it's lights out, disabled from the neck down permanently with a ventilator breathing for me.

So when I read that insurance companies and government bureaucracies are being insufferable assclowns, I get a bit cross. There's no reason for the parents to schedule a meeting with the benefits centre employees; one should rightfully assume that a photograph of this gentleman and a signed statement from his primary physician should suffice. This situation assumes, however, that the Department of Work and Pensions employees are not a slobbering bunch of prattling pillocks.

I will say this though: This kid has been "alive" for eighteen years. That's eighteen years on a ventilator, in a bed, barely able to even blink his eyes. I cannot imagine that existence. Yes, he has a soul and a mind that works, but there isn't much quality of life there.

And to the guy who (obviously jokingly) said "he plays soccer": No, you dumbfark. The kid obviously plays football, and I'm guessing he's a fan of Manchester United. (Isn't everyone?)
 
2012-09-21 09:27:18 PM  

smitty04: Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.

Hitler started killing off severely handicapped people, then it went to most handicapped people, and eventually to all genetically inferior people. Who gets to decide where you draw the line. Do you kill off all the people over 65?


i.ytimg.com

"We must draw the line here! This far, and no further!"

/Oblig, if a bit macabre
 
2012-09-21 09:29:15 PM  

smitty04: Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.

Hitler started killing off severely handicapped people, then it went to most handicapped people, and eventually to all genetically inferior people. Who gets to decide where you draw the line. Do you kill off all the people over 65?


society is capable of drawing the line.
 
2012-09-21 09:30:24 PM  

KrispyKritter: smitty04: Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.

Hitler started killing off severely handicapped people, then it went to most handicapped people, and eventually to all genetically inferior people. Who gets to decide where you draw the line. Do you kill off all the people over 65?

society is capable of drawing the line.


People draw lines, man.
 
2012-09-21 09:30:38 PM  

KrispyKritter: society is capable of drawing the line.


Despite what the individual involved thinks?

This guy isn't like Terri Schiavo. He has a functional brain. His muscles are what's not working.

It should be HIS decision if he wants his life to end because of his non-fatal but chronic disease. Not society's.
 
2012-09-21 09:30:56 PM  
It's truly oppressive for this man to ask the child's doctor to send a form letter out.
 
2012-09-21 09:31:13 PM  

smitty04: Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.

Hitler started killing off severely handicapped people, then it went to most handicapped people, and eventually to all genetically inferior people. Who gets to decide where you draw the line. Do you kill off all the people over 65?


Yes. And those under 13.
 
2012-09-21 09:31:15 PM  

iheartscotch: Example: 40 years ago; my maternal grandmother gave birth to twins prematurely; both died within days. 3 or 4 months ago; one of the ladies I work with gave birth to twins in almost the exact same circumstances. Both children are still alive. Draw your own conclusions


Saving broken babies will lead to the end of this chapter in humanity and plunge us back into the stone ages fighting with rocks to defend the few remaining sources of clean water after 90% of the population is destroyed by a superbug bred inside the billions of extra people who were taking antibiotics instead of being left to Darwin when they were born in less than ideal circumstances.

But that's just a worst case scenario....
 
2012-09-21 09:31:38 PM  

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: society is capable of drawing the line.

Despite what the individual involved thinks?

This guy isn't like Terri Schiavo. He has a functional brain. His muscles are what's not working.

It should be HIS decision if he wants his life to end because of his non-fatal but chronic disease. Not society's.


Dredd? Not.

;)
 
2012-09-21 09:32:16 PM  

iheartscotch: Introitus: Kids looks like everyone I've ever met who is from Wisconsin.


BarkingUnicorn: Paralyzed since birth and needs a ventilator to breathe... for 18 years! Why the fark don't his parents do him the mercy of letting him die?

Because, Jesus.

So; you're saying that everyone with a grim prognosis should just be unplugged?

I realize that's not what you are saying; my point being, with the medical advances today, it is possible that hither-to incurable diseases could be cured.

Example: 40 years ago; my maternal grandmother gave birth to twins prematurely; both died within days. 3 or 4 months ago; one of the ladies I work with gave birth to twins in almost the exact same circumstances. Both children are still alive. Draw your own conclusions


Alive is very different than having quality of life. I dont believe that I would have chosen the same route this kid's parents did. I strongly believe that the quality of life should always outweigh the quantity. Rarely in my career have I seen a person in a truly vegetative state kept alive for any reason other than: misplaced guilt over having to decide to withdraw life support, hope for recovery that borders on insanity, or a need to keep the benefit checks coming in.....the person is almost never kept alive for his own benefit.
 
2012-09-21 09:32:20 PM  

NotBabylonian20: wtf? well the company does need paperwork. they cant just keep his benefits going without any... what a stupid article.


Exactly. The letter says "send in a doctor's note to keep benefits being paid". So send the doctors note in.
 
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