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(CNN)   Paul Ryan: "Obamacare threatens Medicare, and I know a thing or two about threatening Medicare"   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 128
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2012-09-21 05:10:27 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


WOW
 
2012-09-21 05:11:00 PM  

SuperT: Wow, if old people hate you, you're done.


When FARK trolls quit showing up to shill for you, you're done.
 
2012-09-21 05:13:03 PM  
Richard Viguerie got his wish: turn Ryan loose

/Nothin' like a loose cannon
 
2012-09-21 05:13:30 PM  
AARP is a notoriously liberal group. It probably helps Ryan connect with ordinary Americans by having them hate him
 
2012-09-21 05:14:42 PM  

SuperT: you know, I wonder if they actually thought that old people would be perfectly happy with a system where their kids and grandkids would get farked over? are they that divorced from reality?


It's not just their kids and grandkids. I'm 57, but my younger sister is 54. She's been paying into the system longer than I have as she worked while she raised her kids. I stayed at home. Just because we're old does not make us selfish. Being Republican, on the other hand . . .
 
2012-09-21 05:15:12 PM  
The Homer Stokesification of Paul Ryan continues.
 
2012-09-21 05:17:45 PM  

Moopy Mac: mrshowrules: Ryan speaking to the AARP. That takes some brass.

I'm not familiar with the exact details of Ryan's medicare plans. I thought he exempted oldies (those over 55) from the "cuts" (his private voucher system). So basically the people that paid the least (current retirees) would receive the most and the people that paid the most (the rest of us) would receive the least. Is that not right?


They had the OPTION, in the first draft. Old people are not inherently more selfish than the rest of us, so plenty of them had a problem with being bribed to support a plan that was clearly bad and didn't relish the thought of having to do more paperwork to keep what they already had. Also I think quite a few didn't trust him to keep the "opt-out" portion of his plan or the fact that his plan was going to bankrupt medicare sooner than the current GOP plan, (i.e. looting its funds for pet projects and tax cuts)
 
2012-09-21 05:21:05 PM  
So, you're telling me that the way Romney tries to fix his 47% gaff is to...is to send Paul "Death to Medicare" Ryan to give a speech to the AARP? Does he have a ridiculous insurance policy out on his own campaign? Because it's starting to look like he's burning it down on purpose.
 
2012-09-21 05:23:39 PM  

Lost Thought 00: AARP is a notoriously liberal group. It probably helps Ryan connect with ordinary Real Americans TM by having them hate him


amirite?
 
2012-09-21 05:25:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 630x302]


I have one thing to say about that picture.

mistletoeethaniel.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-21 05:25:40 PM  
From the AARP website reporting on this:

"You can get to common ground on these problems if you treat people with respect,'' Ryan said. If elected, Ryan said, he and Romney intend to "be magnanimous and work with Democrats'' on issues affecting older Americans.

i want to see an ad with video of Ryan saying that while Romney's 47% comments scroll across the screen.

the "be magnanimous" is a nice touch too.
 
2012-09-21 05:29:56 PM  

theknuckler_33: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 630x302]

I have one thing to say about that picture.

[bill_and_steve.jpg]


Don't put your lips on it?
 
2012-09-21 05:31:27 PM  

Notabunny: theknuckler_33: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 630x302]

I have one thing to say about that picture.

[bill_and_steve.jpg]

Don't put your lips on it?


*chortle*
 
2012-09-21 05:32:03 PM  

Lost Thought 00: AARP is a notoriously liberal group. It probably helps Ryan connect with ordinary Americans by having them hate him




WTF?! By who's standards? The John Birch Society?
 
2012-09-21 05:32:44 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I rather enjoy the part where he got booed. A-tee-hee-hee, a-tee-hee-hee.


"boourns!!!"
 
2012-09-21 05:34:51 PM  

Bag of Hammers: Lost Thought 00: AARP is a notoriously liberal group. It probably helps Ryan connect with ordinary Americans by having them hate him

WTF?! By who's standards? The John Birch Society?


I'm pretty sure Lost Thought 00's comment was sarcasm.
 
2012-09-21 05:36:49 PM  

Bag of Hammers: Lost Thought 00: AARP is a notoriously liberal group. It probably helps Ryan connect with ordinary Americans by having them hate him



WTF?! By who's standards? The John Birch Society?


Pretty much. AARP officially supported Obamacare (IIRC), so, you know... they're communists obviously.
 
2012-09-21 05:45:55 PM  
I hope Paul Ryan knows Mitt Romney only picked him because he wants to fark him.
 
2012-09-21 05:50:38 PM  

Corvus: Coco LaFemme: I rather enjoy the part where he got booed. A-tee-hee-hee, a-tee-hee-hee.

You mean the entire speech?


Naturally.
 
2012-09-21 05:55:02 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Ryan probably thought he could convince them, and if he couldn't, he could at least take them all on.


Some of those people are war vets who have killed people with their bare hands, and some of them have nobody left in this world so they've got nothing to lose. I wouldn't get into it with an angry crowd of them.
 
2012-09-21 06:04:11 PM  
Ryan looked at medicare and social security and said this is a disaster sure to happen.

Ryan proposed a solution sure to be politically unpopular but a realistic opportunity to address the problem.

Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Democrats showed Ryan pushing granny in her wheelchair off a cliff.
 
2012-09-21 06:07:10 PM  
You know, I finally figured out why Romney picked Ryan.

Ryan is one of the few people that can make Romney look likable by comparison.

/ Yeah, I'm a little slow sometimes
// not that either of them are remotely likable
 
2012-09-21 06:09:55 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


Heh.

Crowd: "BOOOO"
Ryan: "You don't have to take my word for it."
Crowd: "BOOOOOOO"

It sounds like they already know that, douchebag.
 
2012-09-21 06:12:14 PM  
Old people booing Republicans. I never thought I'd see the day.
 
2012-09-21 06:15:15 PM  
Ryan is a dishonest pos. He wants to cut it too, only to pay for rich rax cuts instead of alternate health care stuff.

What a dickbag.
 
2012-09-21 06:17:31 PM  

GitOffaMyLawn: You know, I finally figured out why Romney picked Ryan.

Ryan is one of the few people that can make Romney look likable by comparison.

/ Yeah, I'm a little slow sometimes
// not that either of them are remotely likable


yeah, and Dick Cheney made Dubya look likeable, and then he shot someone in the face... I have no where to go from here.
 
2012-09-21 06:18:45 PM  

Cletus C.: Ryan looked at medicare and social security and said this is a disaster sure to happen.

Ryan proposed a solution sure to be politically unpopular but a realistic opportunity to address the problem.

Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Democrats showed Ryan pushing granny in her wheelchair off a cliff.


"Death Panels"

Cry me a farking river.
 
2012-09-21 06:19:28 PM  

Cletus C.: Ryan looked at medicare and social security and said this is a disaster sure to happen.

Ryan proposed a solution sure to be politically unpopular but a realistic opportunity to address the problem.

Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Democrats showed Ryan pushing granny in her wheelchair off a cliff.


Herpaderpy
 
2012-09-21 06:22:20 PM  

Cletus C.: Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."


Because that's exactly how Republicans reacted to Obamacare.

/that's the best you could do?
 
2012-09-21 06:22:52 PM  

Moopy Mac: mrshowrules: Ryan speaking to the AARP. That takes some brass.

I'm not familiar with the exact details of Ryan's medicare plans. I thought he exempted oldies (those over 55) from the "cuts" (his private voucher system). So basically the people that paid the least (current retirees) would receive the most and the people that paid the most (the rest of us) would receive the least. Is that not right?


They know damn well that once Romney got elected he'd push them off a cliff. It was like the cops with Scott Walker- they knew that they'd get screwed once Walker got done with the teachers.
 
2012-09-21 06:26:53 PM  
Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.
 
2012-09-21 06:40:45 PM  

whidbey: Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.


I'm good. No worries.
 
2012-09-21 06:42:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ryan is a dishonest pos. He wants to cut it too, only to pay for rich rax cuts instead of alternate health care stuff.


Basically this.

I'd be alright with the Medicare cuts if it went to paying off the debt. But since his dumbass plan consists of more tax cuts, the gain in revenue from Medicare cuts would most likely be cancelled out by the loss in revenue from more tax cuts.
 
2012-09-21 06:43:48 PM  

mrshowrules: bdub77: Deep in an underground bunker somewhere, a couple of RNC staffers are having the following conversation:

Staffer 1: "OK, let's just reset for a moment. What do we have policy wise?"
Staffer 2: "Let's go down the list. Taxes."
Staffer 1: "Most people hate those ideas. Anything else?"
Staffer 2: "Foreign policy."
Staffer 1: "Hated. Somehow people remember George W Bush and those two wars."
Staffer 2: "Welfare queens"
Staffer 1: "You mean the 47%?"
Staffer 2: "Isn't it 100% now? We made it 100%."
Staffer 1: "He really didn't sell it well."
Staffer 2: "We could court the n*gger haters."
Staffer 1: "Sewn up. Not enough votes."
Staffer 2: "Immigration."
Staffer 1: "Mostly same as n*gger haters. And not enough votes."
Staffer 2: "Guns."
Staffer 1: "Mostly same as the n*gger haters. And not enough votes."
Staffer 2: "Old people, our bread and butter."
Staffer 1: "Did you watch that AARP video? One guy threw his walker at Ryan, he was so mad. He ran out of there faster than his supposed 3hr marathon time."
Staffer 2: "Debt and deficits."
Staffer 1: "People seem to remember we ran up a lot of it. Also, the Democrats added spending cuts to their platform."
Staffer 2: "F*ck. That was a good one. Economy?"
Staffer 1: "Improving incrementally."
Staffer 2: "What about clowns? People like clowns. We have plenty of them in our party."
Staffer 1: "People fear clowns."
Staffer 2: "Abortion?"
Staffer 1: "If we go that route we will get legitimately raped."
Staffer 2: "We need a game changer. What if we replaced Mitt with a robot?"
Staffer 1: "You aren't serious. Dude, we did that years ago."
Staffer 2: "People like polar bears. Maybe some pictures of Mitt Romney with some cute cubs."
Staffer 1: "Polar bears are dying off at an amazing level due to global warming, which we don't believe in."
Staffer 2: "I don't understand why people hate our policies so much. Do they want a job?"
Staffer 1: "I think they want some sort of...society, where....where...people...help...each other?" ...


Done, quick and dirty. Ignore that one of the speakers is apparently Hillary, it looked like a generic female at the time.
 
2012-09-21 06:49:06 PM  

Cletus C.: Ryan looked at medicare and social security and said this is a disaster sure to happen.

Ryan proposed a solution sure to be politically unpopular but a realistic opportunity to address the problem.

Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Democrats showed Ryan pushing granny in her wheelchair off a cliff.


Both sides are bad, so vote Republican
 
2012-09-21 06:49:10 PM  

12349876: Cletus C.: Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Because that's exactly how Republicans reacted to Obamacare.

/that's the best you could do?


Well, Ryan and Republicans didn't have the ability to force the Ryan budget through both houses, into the eager hands of the president, pissing off the opposition party to the point of gridlock since, but sure.
 
2012-09-21 06:50:50 PM  

Cletus C.: Ryan looked at medicare and social security and said this is a disaster sure to happen.

Ryan proposed a solution sure to be politically unpopular but a realistic opportunity to address the problem.

Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Democrats showed Ryan pushing granny in her wheelchair off a cliff.


I think we need to be honest with ourselves that a 3% tax on payrolls isn't going to be sufficient to cover health care for a huge, sickly swath of the population.
 
2012-09-21 06:56:13 PM  

elchip: Cletus C.: Ryan looked at medicare and social security and said this is a disaster sure to happen.

Ryan proposed a solution sure to be politically unpopular but a realistic opportunity to address the problem.

Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Democrats showed Ryan pushing granny in her wheelchair off a cliff.

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican


Vote for whomever your union bosses tell you to. It's the American way.
 
2012-09-21 07:10:48 PM  

Cletus C.: 12349876: Cletus C.: Democrats did not use the opportunity to say "we don't like your plan, let's work together on another plan."

Because that's exactly how Republicans reacted to Obamacare.

/that's the best you could do?

Well, Ryan and Republicans didn't have the ability to force the Ryan budget through both houses, into the eager hands of the president, pissing off the opposition party to the point of gridlock since, but sure.


Because the GOP was so willing to compromise after announcing that HCR was to be Obama's Waterloo?
 
2012-09-21 07:14:46 PM  

Cletus C.: whidbey: Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.

I'm good. No worries.


Not worried, but again, this signals the end of your foray into serious political discussion.
You've jumped the shark, as it were.

Didn't want to bring this up, but I think it's time for a new alt.
 
2012-09-21 07:18:04 PM  

Walker: Dusk-You-n-Me: This is without a doubt the most unfriendly audience Ryan has spoken to as VP candidate. Audience alterantes between silence and boos.- Rebecca Kaplan (@Rebecca_CBSNJ) September 21, 2012

Old people have been dealing with politicians for over 60 years. They know bullsh*t when they hear it.


Yep. A cute face and winning smile doesn't work with people who read those big-print Reader's Digest books. They have to listen when someone talks, and if they don't like what they hear, they've got nothing to lose by expressing their displeasure. What could happen, no Jello at the Home?
 
2012-09-21 07:33:14 PM  
I'm in Florida on vacation and just saw an ad on TV with Marco Rubio telling us that we should settle for Vouchercare so our parents can get Medicare or else it'll go bankrupt.

Of course they don't mention the fact that it's being cut to make up for the loss in revenue from the additional tax cuts they are proposing.

I mean wow...is this the best they can do?
 
2012-09-21 07:45:15 PM  

RussianPooper: mrshowrules: bdub77: Deep in an underground bunker somewhere, a couple of RNC staffers are having the following conversation:

Staffer 1: "OK, let's just reset for a moment. What do we have policy wise?"
Staffer 2: "Let's go down the list. Taxes."
Staffer 1: "Most people hate those ideas. Anything else?"
Staffer 2: "Foreign policy."
Staffer 1: "Hated. Somehow people remember George W Bush and those two wars."
Staffer 2: "Welfare queens"
Staffer 1: "You mean the 47%?"
Staffer 2: "Isn't it 100% now? We made it 100%."
Staffer 1: "He really didn't sell it well."
Staffer 2: "We could court the n*gger haters."
Staffer 1: "Sewn up. Not enough votes."
Staffer 2: "Immigration."
Staffer 1: "Mostly same as n*gger haters. And not enough votes."
Staffer 2: "Guns."
Staffer 1: "Mostly same as the n*gger haters. And not enough votes."
Staffer 2: "Old people, our bread and butter."
Staffer 1: "Did you watch that AARP video? One guy threw his walker at Ryan, he was so mad. He ran out of there faster than his supposed 3hr marathon time."
Staffer 2: "Debt and deficits."
Staffer 1: "People seem to remember we ran up a lot of it. Also, the Democrats added spending cuts to their platform."
Staffer 2: "F*ck. That was a good one. Economy?"
Staffer 1: "Improving incrementally."
Staffer 2: "What about clowns? People like clowns. We have plenty of them in our party."
Staffer 1: "People fear clowns."
Staffer 2: "Abortion?"
Staffer 1: "If we go that route we will get legitimately raped."
Staffer 2: "We need a game changer. What if we replaced Mitt with a robot?"
Staffer 1: "You aren't serious. Dude, we did that years ago."
Staffer 2: "People like polar bears. Maybe some pictures of Mitt Romney with some cute cubs."
Staffer 1: "Polar bears are dying off at an amazing level due to global warming, which we don't believe in."
Staffer 2: "I don't understand why people hate our policies so much. Do they want a job?"
Staffer 1: "I think they want some sort of...society, where....where...people...help.. ...


That's farking amazing. You are a wizard!!!!
 
2012-09-21 07:57:13 PM  

Cletus C.: Vote for whomever your union bosses tell you to. It's the American way.


Oh, FFS.
 
2012-09-21 07:57:19 PM  

whidbey: Cletus C.: whidbey: Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.

I'm good. No worries.

Not worried, but again, this signals the end of your foray into serious political discussion.
You've jumped the shark, as it were.

Didn't want to bring this up, but I think it's time for a new alt.


Seriously, I'm good. Put me on ignore if you can't handle opposing viewpoints. That creates a libloveland where you'll always be happy.
 
2012-09-21 08:00:18 PM  

theorellior: Cletus C.: Vote for whomever your union bosses tell you to. It's the American way.

Oh, FFS.


It's intentionally lame.

This is even more lame, because it's used like the trump card in an Old Maid deck:

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican!

That, folks, is an intellectual popsicle.
 
2012-09-21 08:01:14 PM  

Cletus C.: whidbey: Cletus C.: whidbey: Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.

I'm good. No worries.

Not worried, but again, this signals the end of your foray into serious political discussion.
You've jumped the shark, as it were.

Didn't want to bring this up, but I think it's time for a new alt.

Seriously, I'm good. Put me on ignore if you can't handle opposing viewpoints. That creates a libloveland where you'll always be happy.


For the record, pretend Obama doesn't exist. Do you like Romney? Do you think he would be a good President?
 
2012-09-21 08:03:51 PM  

Smelly McUgly: So Ryan goes to talk to old, mostly white people in Louisiana and gets BOOED? When the GOP is getting old white people in the South to boo the shiat out of them during an election year, something has gone horribly wrong.


This. Damn, barring some dictator-level voting shenanigans, they are going to be steamrolled.

/Of course, voting shenanigans are fairly likely.
 
2012-09-21 08:06:45 PM  

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: whidbey: Cletus C.: whidbey: Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.

I'm good. No worries.

Not worried, but again, this signals the end of your foray into serious political discussion.
You've jumped the shark, as it were.

Didn't want to bring this up, but I think it's time for a new alt.

Seriously, I'm good. Put me on ignore if you can't handle opposing viewpoints. That creates a libloveland where you'll always be happy.

For the record, pretend Obama doesn't exist. Do you like Romney? Do you think he would be a good President?


I think Romney might be a good president. I think he's a good man. Successful and smart. I need more specifics from him. I want to hear a vision for the country.

I think Obama is a good, smart man. I'm not so convinced he's a good president.

Still, I'm leaning toward voting Obama.

Again.
 
2012-09-21 08:17:23 PM  

Cletus C.: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: whidbey: Cletus C.: whidbey: Fark: The Rise and Fall of Cletus C. Now available in large-print Kindle.

I'm good. No worries.

Not worried, but again, this signals the end of your foray into serious political discussion.
You've jumped the shark, as it were.

Didn't want to bring this up, but I think it's time for a new alt.

Seriously, I'm good. Put me on ignore if you can't handle opposing viewpoints. That creates a libloveland where you'll always be happy.

For the record, pretend Obama doesn't exist. Do you like Romney? Do you think he would be a good President?

I think Romney might be a good president. I think he's a good man. Successful and smart. I need more specifics from him. I want to hear a vision for the country.

I think Obama is a good, smart man. I'm not so convinced he's a good president.

Still, I'm leaning toward voting Obama.

Again.


So either you are a troll or I don't know what. Based on your comments in all the threads, I can't imagine why you would vote for Obama.
 
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