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(WGAL 8)   While it is important for school principals to cultivate the fruits of knowledge, telling a Latino teenager that he is destined to become a gardener may not be the best way to do it   ( wgal.com) divider line
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2012-09-21 01:18:01 PM  
During family gatherings my siblings and i sometimes reminisce about teachers who frequently said "Mark my words, someday you will go to jail."
 
2012-09-21 01:42:38 PM  
This guy has no business being around children. What's worse is that the school board backed him up for so long. The man has serious issues.
 
2012-09-21 01:54:48 PM  

Lunaville: During family gatherings my siblings and i sometimes reminisce about teachers who frequently said "Mark my words, someday you will go to jail."


So... did you?
 
2012-09-21 02:07:00 PM  
Isn't that more the job of a guidance counselor?

Mine told me to not bother applying to good schools. Then I got accepted by Colgate, Wesleyan, and was wait-listed by Princeton.

Although I did get rejected by my safety school, so there's that.

But like my guidance counselor, this guy just sounds bitter and damaged and it's good he's not working with kids now.
 
2012-09-21 02:22:17 PM  
Aside from the obvious racist implication, being a gardener is hard work and frequently pays well.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-09-21 02:40:18 PM  

Diogenes:
But like my guidance counselor, this guy just sounds bitter and damaged and it's good he's not working with kids now.


I caught one of my dad's lectures when he was alive. Never knew he was so . . .
Well, in the middle of the lecture he's goin on about high school administrators, and just thows out there, "Oh course, you all know by know that guidance counselors ar full of shiat" and he had never ever mentioned this to me the ENTIRE FARKING TIME I WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL. I was kind of pissed, but chagrined.
to top it off, in the end of the lecture he looks at me and says he's going to be at so and so's right after, and if anyone wants to join him for a beer, he's going to be there for a few hours. And winks at me.

SO this smoking hot girl leans over to me and says, "Do you *know* him?"
And I'm like thinking I have an "in" here and say, "Yeah, We go way back"
And she leans over and says, "Is he married?"
This chick's younger than I am, since I was just returning to college after doing a stint in the armed forces.
I'm a little miffed, and say, "yeah, to my mother."
She didn't show up at the bar.

But, I smiled inside knowing I'd grow up to be good looking like him.
/Thanks for that, dad.
 
2012-09-21 02:55:36 PM  
Well did he say it after seeing the kid's kick-ass garden?
 
2012-09-21 03:13:31 PM  

vudukungfu: Diogenes:
But like my guidance counselor, this guy just sounds bitter and damaged and it's good he's not working with kids now.

I caught one of my dad's lectures when he was alive. Never knew he was so . . .
Well, in the middle of the lecture he's goin on about high school administrators, and just thows out there, "Oh course, you all know by know that guidance counselors ar full of shiat" and he had never ever mentioned this to me the ENTIRE FARKING TIME I WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL. I was kind of pissed, but chagrined.
to top it off, in the end of the lecture he looks at me and says he's going to be at so and so's right after, and if anyone wants to join him for a beer, he's going to be there for a few hours. And winks at me.

SO this smoking hot girl leans over to me and says, "Do you *know* him?"
And I'm like thinking I have an "in" here and say, "Yeah, We go way back"
And she leans over and says, "Is he married?"
This chick's younger than I am, since I was just returning to college after doing a stint in the armed forces.
I'm a little miffed, and say, "yeah, to my mother."
She didn't show up at the bar.

But, I smiled inside knowing I'd grow up to be good looking like him.
/Thanks for that, dad.


That's an awesome CSB!
 
2012-09-21 03:44:41 PM  

Diogenes: Isn't that more the job of a guidance counselor?


Did you take those career aptitude tests in HS? The kid next to me got "Parking Lot Attendant".
 
2012-09-21 04:23:45 PM  
Dave Madden?

With that Danny, who can blame him?
 
2012-09-21 04:24:06 PM  
Tried to do some digging into the exact texts he got in trouble over. Found this:
He called the teen a "psychopath" and worried that he could be another "Hinckley, Booth and Oswald." He also complained that special-needs students, "the guilty people," have more rights than "the innocent."

Does anybody know how serious he was? Like, maybe this kid had actual problems on the same level those guys had? I'd hate to see people just stifle genuine worries about an unstable person just because some bleeding heart liberal thought it was insensitive. We saw how well that worked out for Seung Cho and Sideshow Bob.
 
2012-09-21 04:28:35 PM  

Diogenes: /Thanks for that, dad.

That's an awesome CSB!


*bows*
 
2012-09-21 04:36:30 PM  
weknowawesome.com
 
2012-09-21 04:39:54 PM  
He meant that one-day she would become an upper-middle class housewife and take up gardening as a hobby along with yoga.

Sounds like you guys are being the REAL racists.
 
2012-09-21 04:41:29 PM  
This is nothing new in predominantly black and/or Hispanic schools. Most of our male teachers in high school were the same way.

"You guys will end up pushing brooms or end up in jail anyway..". I remember one shop teacher in particular, a redneck, he would even chuckle about it right in front of us.

That was part of the program. They knew most of us didn't have a chance. And many didn't.

Career talk or preparation for further education was almost rarely heard of, they merely conditioning groups of kids to be service workers.
 
2012-09-21 04:45:15 PM  
i305.photobucket.com


/sorry
 
2012-09-21 04:48:12 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-21 04:49:38 PM  

namegoeshere: Diogenes: Isn't that more the job of a guidance counselor?

Did you take those career aptitude tests in HS? The kid next to me got "Parking Lot Attendant".


Being from the midwest, I scored "Corn".

/Hopefully the teen in question becomes a house painter instead.
 
2012-09-21 04:53:26 PM  
My nephew, who has a hispanic father and last name, was helping me dig a trench for an electrical conduit in my back yard a few years ago. In about 30 minutes, he made more progress than I had in the previous 2 hours. When I commented on how fast he was digging, he said "Yeah, it's in the blood."

He's also the deadbeat baby daddy to three kids from three moms, and has spent time in jail. I haven't had a chance to ask him if that's in the blood, too.
 
2012-09-21 04:55:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This guy has no business being around children. What's worse is that the school board backed him up for so long. The man has serious issues.


i129.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-21 04:56:01 PM  
rossotron.com

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2012-09-21 04:59:00 PM  

M0nkeyp0x: [weknowawesome.com image 550x647]


I love this pic so much.
 
2012-09-21 04:59:19 PM  
Samwise Gamgee doesn't know what the problem is.
 
2012-09-21 05:01:23 PM  
It's one thing to disparage a kid and put them down by creating self fullfiling prophecies and encouraging kids to just give up, which sounds like what this guy was doing. It's quite another, and just as bad, to tell a student they can succeed, that they can go on to be anything they want if they just try, when it is simply not true .
 
2012-09-21 05:02:21 PM  
sounds like today's teachers are more socially awkward when calling the kids names.
 
2012-09-21 05:03:50 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Aside from the obvious racist implication, being a gardener is hard work and frequently pays well.

/dnrtfa


How much these gardeners going to make once cannabis becomes legal?
 
2012-09-21 05:04:36 PM  

gadian: It's one thing to disparage a kid and put them down by creating self fullfiling prophecies and encouraging kids to just give up, which sounds like what this guy was doing. It's quite another, and just as bad, to tell a student they can succeed, that they can go on to be anything they want if they just try, when it is simply not true .


THIS

As a parent, I have no illusions about what my kids are capable of.
 
2012-09-21 05:07:09 PM  
Is it still offensive if the kid really liked gardening and frequently mentioned his desire to pursue it as a career?
 
2012-09-21 05:08:42 PM  
As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
 
2012-09-21 05:12:34 PM  
Nothing in TFA or any other article I can find suggests that the offending messages were sent to or ever seen by the students in question.
 
2012-09-21 05:13:28 PM  
Should have gone with landscape horticulturist.
 
2012-09-21 05:13:35 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: This guy has no business being around children. What's worse is that the school board backed him up for so long. The man has serious issues.

You sound surprised. I should bring you to my old high school. Our vice-principal once told me, upon seeing him parking his car before the start of school, to "try not to steal his hubcaps".

Even though he was a dick, I took it as a joke. Times change I suppose.
 
2012-09-21 05:14:44 PM  
Through word of mouth let it be known
The man who spends his life on a mission, he's legendary
Travelling from coast to coast
He's the contemporary Johnny Appleseed
He's making sure his garden grows
He'll plant a seed in every town he goes
Fertilizing the country side
Couldn't stop him with insecticide
Makin' sure that the garden grows,
Yeah,yeah,yeah
He'll water the yeard with a garden hose
And you know he'll be plantin' a seed
Groomin' the backyard, or whackin' a weed
When diggin' holes, he'll be wearing a glove
He go into the shed, get out a shovel, and he shove
He'll plant the seed, makin' sure it's sown
He go into the shed, and he start hoein' with the hoe,
Ho,ho,ho
Makin' sure that the garden grow,
Yeah,yeah,yeah
He'll water the yard with the garden hose
Groomin' the backyard, or whackin' a weed
Yeah,yeah,yeah
The contemporary Johnny Appleseed
 
2012-09-21 05:15:21 PM  
See I dunno how I feel about this yeah its farked up. But I heard a lot of my teachers say the same things to some of the bigger troublemakers that if they didnt get their shiat straight they would be pushing brooms or pumping gas for the rest of their lives.
 
2012-09-21 05:19:13 PM  

Mr. Ekshun: namegoeshere: Diogenes: Isn't that more the job of a guidance counselor?

Did you take those career aptitude tests in HS? The kid next to me got "Parking Lot Attendant".

Being from the midwest, I scored "Corn".

/Hopefully the teen in question becomes a house painter instead.


The ASVAB said I should be a podiatrist. I have no idea why.

/not a podiatrist
 
2012-09-21 05:20:44 PM  
I was a gardener. I worked for a guy that payed me 18 an hour. He made around 200 grand a year. Not a bad pull
 
2012-09-21 05:22:05 PM  
Those pearls of wisdom don't help much either.
 
2012-09-21 05:27:11 PM  

Godscrack: This is nothing new in predominantly black and/or Hispanic schools. Most of our male teachers in high school were the same way.

"You guys will end up pushing brooms or end up in jail anyway..". I remember one shop teacher in particular, a redneck, he would even chuckle about it right in front of us.

That was part of the program. They knew most of us didn't have a chance. And many didn't.

Career talk or preparation for further education was almost rarely heard of, they merely conditioning groups of kids to be service workers.


My school gets kids that are heading there, but I have not once heard any teacher say that out loud. Actually, the other teachers would probably biatch-slap them for saying it.
 
2012-09-21 05:30:13 PM  
Beats jail. I haven't read the email and I don't know what kind of behavior the kid was involved in. It sounds like OMG forget the post Fark implemented my preview button idea. This is awesome.
 
2012-09-21 05:33:23 PM  
Man was fired for telling the truth. Sounds like empathic burnout. The man ran out of farks to give.

A kid in high school acting like a psychopath? I can buy that
A bipolar kid being a manipulative little shiat? Par for the course with them
You have a future in gardening? Maybe the kid couldn't read or write.
 
2012-09-21 05:34:04 PM  
Samwise Gamgee was a great gardener and he was a goddamn hobbit.
 
2012-09-21 05:35:01 PM  
It's not his fault, the kid had gangrene on his thumb
 
2012-09-21 05:35:24 PM  

Lunaville: During family gatherings my siblings and i sometimes reminisce about teachers who frequently said "Mark my words, someday you will go to jail."


I was always told that I was destined to become a ditch digger, that was before illegal immigration and being able to afford a gardener.
 
2012-09-21 05:35:38 PM  
When I took the high school guidance counselor's job test in the early '80s, it was answering questions by poking a needle in the computer cards and shaking the cards. What stayed on the needle was your best opportunity for a job. I came up with Ditch Digger or Ranch Hand. I've worked with computers for the last 20 years so I guess I rose above my predestined existence.
 
2012-09-21 05:40:28 PM  

Snargi: When I took the high school guidance counselor's job test in the early '80s, it was answering questions by poking a needle in the computer cards and shaking the cards. What stayed on the needle was your best opportunity for a job. I came up with Ditch Digger or Ranch Hand. I've worked with computers for the last 20 years so I guess I rose above my predestined existence.


If you've truly worked IT then you know it was pretty much on the money :P
 
2012-09-21 05:40:50 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Aside from the obvious racist implication, being a gardener is hard work and frequently pays well.

/dnrtfa


Plus, you get to be all passive-aggressive with a leaf blower and piss off every single person in the neighborhood.
 
2012-09-21 05:43:00 PM  
dealing in reality is not a strong suit for many american parents. children here are raised on santa claus, easter bunnies, tooth fairies, religion, politicians, slanted journalism, the american dream and patriotic pro-military propaganda. you can not be open and honest, it is not politically correct. when i was in school there were many students who had no interest in being there and it showed. when they weren't high as kites they were making trouble. the principal & VP treated them accordingly. the students who showed promise and gave a damn were encouraged, and also treated accordingly.

every year the overall quality of life in the student body gets a little lower. the teachers see it, the administration sees it. the bulk of the parents, who are idiots, don't have a clue.
 
2012-09-21 05:43:14 PM  
"Today Dean Vernon Wormer submitted his resignation following revelations of abusive behavior toward students, including saying to one underclassman: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. "
 
2012-09-21 05:47:31 PM  

PsiChick: but I have not once heard any teacher say that out loud


I remember other kids saying they would hear it too. We would always laugh along with the teachers. We thought all schools were like this.

If adults, especially teachers, say things like that enough times to kids, eventually they start to believe it.

Again, it was all part of the program. And there was a program happening.
 
2012-09-21 05:52:15 PM  

KrispyKritter: every year the overall quality of life in the student body gets a little lower. the teachers see it, the administration sees it. the bulk of the parents, who are idiots, don't have a clue.


I've met high schoolers who cannot read.

What the fark do you say to someone like that? "Yes you can go to Harvard?"
 
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