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(The Daily Beast)   You're a respected member of the Mormon church who writes an article critical of Mitt Romney? That's an excommunicatin'   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 264
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2012-09-21 11:34:29 AM
yeah, that's not surprising in the least.
 
2012-09-21 11:45:25 AM
Get a brain, moroni
 
2012-09-21 11:46:35 AM
David Twede, 47, a scientist, novelist, and fifth-generation Mormon, is managing editor of MormonThink.com, an online magazine produced largely by members of the Mormon Church that welcomes scholarly debate about the religion's history from both critics and true believers.

See, there's the problem right there. He had this comin'.
 
2012-09-21 11:48:41 AM
Sounds a lot like Scientology
 
2012-09-21 11:52:57 AM
Mormon leaders have scheduled an excommunication "for apostasy" on Sept. 30.

If there is a God, I think It would hate religion.
 
2012-09-21 11:54:59 AM
 
2012-09-21 12:00:53 PM

PreMortem: Sounds a lot like Scientology


^^^^^
 
2012-09-21 12:04:17 PM
You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?
 
2012-09-21 12:14:02 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Mormon leaders have scheduled an excommunication "for apostasy" on Sept. 30.

If there is a God, I think It would hate religion.


This!
 
2012-09-21 12:15:33 PM

Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?


I did not know that Mitt was a prophet. Surely he'd have mentioned it by now?
 
2012-09-21 12:16:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?

I did not know that Mitt was a prophet. Surely he'd have mentioned it by now?


Well, they're treating him like one.

And besides, it works for hte purpose of the joke.
 
2012-09-21 12:21:15 PM

Aarontology: Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?

I did not know that Mitt was a prophet. Surely he'd have mentioned it by now?

Well, they're treating him like one.

And besides, it works for hte purpose of the joke.


I seem to have lost my sense of humor today. Sorry about that.
 
2012-09-21 12:22:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I seem to have lost my sense of humor today. Sorry about that.


No worries.
 
2012-09-21 12:33:31 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?

I did not know that Mitt was a prophet. Surely he'd have mentioned it by now?


He is, but it is spelled "profit," in Mitt's case.
 
2012-09-21 12:38:15 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?

I did not know that Mitt was a prophet. Surely he'd have mentioned it by now?

He is, but it is spelled "profit," in Mitt's case.


niiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!
 
2012-09-21 12:50:15 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Get a brain, moroni


www.majhost.com
 
2012-09-21 12:51:09 PM
Oh, sure, but that's just 'til he's dead. After that, they'll surely welcome him back with open arms.



/But don't you dare call them a cult
 
2012-09-21 01:09:21 PM

PreMortem: Sounds a lot like Scientology


All religions are cults.
 
2012-09-21 01:18:02 PM

Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?


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2012-09-21 01:22:40 PM

PreMortem: Sounds a lot like Scientology


No voting, then I'll just have to "This".
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2012-09-21 01:25:59 PM
Hehe...partially local story.

Here's the local temple:
www.mormontemples.com

We have friends that live basically across the street. And Mom works in the shopping center right down the street from it. There's an LDS bookstore there. She says you can spot them a mile away - they're practically Amish in their conformity and super-conservative appearance. NTTAWWT.
 
2012-09-21 01:27:41 PM
I was reading the article and wondering what he must've said to get them upset. It isn't that common for the religion to really go after someone.

But the end gave it away:

"When they brought me into the office, they told me they were upset by the way I had portrayed myself," he says. "They didn't like that I was writing a blog critical of the church, and they were upset by the fact that I was discussing the temple, which is connected to Mitt Romney in my article. I revealed things about the temple, and secrecy, and other things that they just don't want anyone to talk about."

Yeah, they don't like good standing members talking about the Temple.

I am not at all surprised by the ability of the church to find people. My sister quit attending back in high school and moved around a bit before settling in Mississippi. Never considered herself a member, never went, never talked to anyone. Well, guess who found her? Yup. They can be as effective as the FBI in finding people when they want to.
 
2012-09-21 01:35:37 PM

Nadie_AZ: I was reading the article and wondering what he must've said to get them upset. It isn't that common for the religion to really go after someone.

But the end gave it away:

"When they brought me into the office, they told me they were upset by the way I had portrayed myself," he says. "They didn't like that I was writing a blog critical of the church, and they were upset by the fact that I was discussing the temple, which is connected to Mitt Romney in my article. I revealed things about the temple, and secrecy, and other things that they just don't want anyone to talk about."

Yeah, they don't like good standing members talking about the Temple.

I am not at all surprised by the ability of the church to find people. My sister quit attending back in high school and moved around a bit before settling in Mississippi. Never considered herself a member, never went, never talked to anyone. Well, guess who found her? Yup. They can be as effective as the FBI in finding people when they want to.


I'm told they have an outstanding genealogical database.
 
2012-09-21 01:35:55 PM
Get a brain, Moroni.
 
2012-09-21 01:36:34 PM
The magic plates have spoken, so it shall come to pass
 
2012-09-21 01:36:35 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Get a brain, moroni


Dammit
 
2012-09-21 01:37:28 PM

Diogenes: I'm told they have an outstanding genealogical database.


They do. Perhaps the best in the world. My grandfather worked at the one in Mesa, AZ. He would talk of the data transfers between their office and SLC. I remember the building before that one- books upon books of names and dates and locations. Most of it is on computer, now.
 
2012-09-21 01:37:33 PM

TheGogmagog: PreMortem: Sounds a lot like Scientology

No voting, then I'll just have to "This".
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What is that and where can I get one!! Is it a lemur?
 
2012-09-21 01:37:45 PM

Diogenes: Hehe...partially local story.

Here's the local temple:
[www.mormontemples.com image 720x576]

We have friends that live basically across the street. And Mom works in the shopping center right down the street from it. There's an LDS bookstore there. She says you can spot them a mile away - they're practically Amish in their conformity and super-conservative appearance. NTTAWWT.


"Paler indeed than the moon ailing in some slow eclipse was the light of it now, wavering and blowing like a noisome exhalation of decay, a corpse-light, a light that illuminated nothing."
 
2012-09-21 01:38:09 PM
Frankly, I have little sympathy for someone that wants to remain in such a retarded institution to begin with.
 
2012-09-21 01:38:16 PM
Article in the Orlando Sentinel says the man describes himself as agnostic. So yeah, most churches would want such a person removed from their membership rolls. Though, in any other church, a non-member may still come to all events. In the Mormon church, you have to be a member to attend Temple services. The tabernacle is open to anybody, but not the Temple.
 
2012-09-21 01:38:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I did not know that Mitt was a prophet. Surely he'd have mentioned it by now?


If you wanna ride...
 
2012-09-21 01:38:52 PM
Good to see the author get a job again....
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-21 01:40:54 PM
As long as you still know the secret handshake to get into Heaven, I think that you are OK.
 
2012-09-21 01:41:03 PM

Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?


Is there a difference between kicking them out of your church and setting them on fire?
 
2012-09-21 01:43:45 PM
This will not help Romney or the LDS with mainstream America.
So it's fine with me.
 
2012-09-21 01:43:59 PM
"I told them I hide my name precisely because of things like this," he says. "I said, 'Look how fast you got to me.' I know a lot of members don't want their life disturbed. In the Mormon church, if you're not part of the uniform group, you are ostracized."

If you realize this, then why the fark are you a member of the Mormon church you dipshiat?
 
2012-09-21 01:44:47 PM

lennavan: If you realize this, then why the fark are you a member of the Mormon church you dipshiat?


Because the TRUTH of the GOLD TABLETS cannot be DENIED!
 
2012-09-21 01:44:58 PM

Diogenes: Nadie_AZ: I was reading the article and wondering what he must've said to get them upset. It isn't that common for the religion to really go after someone.

But the end gave it away:

"When they brought me into the office, they told me they were upset by the way I had portrayed myself," he says. "They didn't like that I was writing a blog critical of the church, and they were upset by the fact that I was discussing the temple, which is connected to Mitt Romney in my article. I revealed things about the temple, and secrecy, and other things that they just don't want anyone to talk about."

Yeah, they don't like good standing members talking about the Temple.

I am not at all surprised by the ability of the church to find people. My sister quit attending back in high school and moved around a bit before settling in Mississippi. Never considered herself a member, never went, never talked to anyone. Well, guess who found her? Yup. They can be as effective as the FBI in finding people when they want to.

I'm told they have an outstanding genealogical database.


They really do. And I think reactions like the one directed at that blog author really depend on the ward/stake that he's in. I've been a member of a rather open-minded ward where they talked in class about the communal nature of the early church (and the current church as well), and about keeping in mind that we aren't all necessarily members of the same political party. And I've been in another ward where members literally refer to Glenn Beck's show as "the news".
 
2012-09-21 01:45:02 PM

FirstNationalBastard: PreMortem: Sounds a lot like Scientology

All religions are cults.


cult (n.): An unpopular religion.

religion (n.): A popular cult.
 
2012-09-21 01:45:30 PM
Sounds like it has nothing to do with criticizing Mittens and everything to do with revealing church secrets that every Mormon knows will get you excommunicated if you talk about them publicly. AW is AW, in other words. If you don't like a church, just farking leave it. Don't start a blog criticizing it and then wonder why they don't want you around anymore.
 
2012-09-21 01:45:30 PM

stpauler: Frankly, I have little sympathy for someone that wants to remain in such a retarded institution to begin with.


Maybe he was more attracted to the science fiction-esque aspects of Mormonism than its theology.

kid_icarus: Diogenes: Hehe...partially local story.

Here's the local temple:
[www.mormontemples.com image 720x576]

We have friends that live basically across the street. And Mom works in the shopping center right down the street from it. There's an LDS bookstore there. She says you can spot them a mile away - they're practically Amish in their conformity and super-conservative appearance. NTTAWWT.

"Paler indeed than the moon ailing in some slow eclipse was the light of it now, wavering and blowing like a noisome exhalation of decay, a corpse-light, a light that illuminated nothing."


Absolutely perfect!

It sits on a hill (which are rare here). I was out biking when I used to lived in a close neighborhood, and we were about to have a huge storm. The sky was black as night and the lightning was starting. The stark white of the temple stood out against the sky. I remember thinking how haunting and ominous it looked as I peddled up the hill. I had the background music from The Omen playing in my head.

And really, that's not to say anything negative about Mormonism. But man, that building is so alien looking when you look at the surrounding environment.
 
2012-09-21 01:46:24 PM

stpauler: Frankly, I have little sympathy for someone that wants to remain in such a retarded institution to begin with.


When you are told from day 1 of your life that it is the one and only true church and true path to god and heaven, you'll come to believe it by the time you are 6 or 7. You'll wear your CTR ring, you'll consider your baptismal day the greatest you've ever had, you'll longing want to go to the Temple when you are 12, and if you are a boy, you'll want that Priesthood conferred upon you. You'll want this and you'll believe it. Even if you decide 'eh, screw it, I'm gonna quit going and enjoy life' that belief that it is the one true church and one true path to god is ingrained in your soul, your heart, your mind. I've seen it many many times, people who grew up in it, left and even when they were living a lifestyle furthest from the religion, they still believed it. Heart and soul. 

It is hard to leave and break that mindset. Incredibly hard.
 
2012-09-21 01:47:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: They can be as effective as the FBI in finding people when they want to.


To be fair, it's not like what the FBI does is particularly intense or difficult (well, other than being tedious).

It's amazing what people will give you if you just ask. Especially if you say something like, "Long lost something or other" and just want to "reconnect". People love feeling like they've earned positive karma.
 
2012-09-21 01:49:23 PM
Huh, it's almost like churches care more about power than they do their own congregation.


Weird!
 
2012-09-21 01:49:33 PM
Ha! Ha! Your made up cult wants to throw you out for criticizing the face of the made up cult. SUCK IT! You pansy. Or you know you could join a real religion and not some cult.
 
2012-09-21 01:52:43 PM

PreMortem: Sounds a lot like Scientology


FlashHarry: yeah, that's not surprising in the least.


Aarontology: You know who else gets outraged when you insult their prophet?


When Jews started coalescing around a Nazarene prophet, they were shunned and excommunicated by the Jewish majority.

When Martin Luther started challenging some of the more egregious practices of the Catholic Church, he was shunned and excommunicated by the Catholic majority.

After Muhammed died and his followers were of two minds about how to carry out his legacy, both sides were shunned and excommunicated by the other.

Shall I continue?

// apparently, power structures don't like it when their power is so publicly challenged
// go figure
 
2012-09-21 01:53:56 PM
The Mormon Church is just as thinned skinned when it comes to criticism as Romney is when it comes to being called out for what he says.

Seriously, most Mormons will stop talking to someone that they perceive as being "anti-Mormon," and all it takes to be considered such is to say just one thing that goes against the narratives constructed by the Church. Even if one's point is completely true. In fact, even more so. They don't like it when the truth doesn't conform to the narrative.

/my 2 cents as an exmormon
 
2012-09-21 01:58:10 PM
How is this different from when Vince Foster criticized the Clinton Administration and Democrats had him excommunicated him from life?
 
2012-09-21 01:58:48 PM
The religious are zealous and tribal, film at 11. Ric Romero reporting.
 
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