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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP's desire to tax the '47%' would be so effective, it would put up to 9.2 million people below the poverty line   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 152
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2012-09-21 10:03:19 AM
Ayn Rand would be proud, I'm sure.
 
2012-09-21 10:06:40 AM
If they get their way, looks like I'm going to have to look for a second job just so I can pay the extra taxes. Oh well, life sucks.
 
2012-09-21 10:13:57 AM
Danged layabouts, trying to trick Romney into creating more of them so that they vote for Obama.
 
2012-09-21 10:20:48 AM

Cythraul: If they get their way, looks like I'm going to have to look for a second job just so I can pay the extra taxes. Oh well, life sucks.


See, they are getting you to work harder!
 
2012-09-21 10:20:48 AM
But what would it do for the other 290 million people?
 
2012-09-21 10:31:36 AM

sweetmelissa31: Cythraul: If they get their way, looks like I'm going to have to look for a second job just so I can pay the extra taxes. Oh well, life sucks.

See, they are getting you to work harder!


Isn't that great? It's so uniquely American
 
2012-09-21 10:33:26 AM

Mangoose: But what would it do for the other 290 million people?


Well, if you put those 9.2 million people back under the poverty line, they'll have absolutely no money to spend on anything, which means they fall off the grid as consumers. Their lack of consumer activity will severely impact businesses of all types, leading to decreased revenues. the reduced business activity will lead to more job losses, which will put more people in danger of poverty, thus beginning the cycle again.

So, to sum up: If you put 9.2 million more people into poverty and remove their ability to earn net income, the other 290 million folks will be farked as well.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-21 10:40:21 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mangoose: But what would it do for the other 290 million people?

Well, if you put those 9.2 million people back under the poverty line, they'll have absolutely no money to spend on anything, which means they fall off the grid as consumers. Their lack of consumer activity will severely impact businesses of all types, leading to decreased revenues. the reduced business activity will lead to more job losses, which will put more people in danger of poverty, thus beginning the cycle again.

So, to sum up: If you put 9.2 million more people into poverty and remove their ability to earn net income, the other 290 million folks will be farked as well.


Yes, but they can become car jackers and muggers and that will create jobs by increasing the demand for guns.
 
2012-09-21 10:54:27 AM
So, taxing the poor puts more people onto government programs? BRILLIANT.
 
2012-09-21 10:58:14 AM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Cythraul: If they get their way, looks like I'm going to have to look for a second job just so I can pay the extra taxes. Oh well, life sucks.

See, they are getting you to work harder!

Isn't that great? It's so uniquely American


If Bush had said that to me I would have choked him on the spot.
 
2012-09-21 11:02:04 AM

vpb:

Yes, but they can become car jackers and muggers and that will create jobs by increasing the demand for guns.


... and I would assume also cars. So, Mitt does have a plan to save our auto industry.
 
2012-09-21 11:45:33 AM
I'm pretty sure that that's the general idea, because f*ck people who don't vote straight-ticket GOP.
 
2012-09-21 11:52:31 AM

King Something: I'm pretty sure that that's the general idea, because f*ck people who don't vote straight-ticket GOP.


F*ck people who do vote straight-ticket GOP, despite their economic interests, for that matter. Basically f*ck everyone that's not in the ruling class.
 
2012-09-21 11:57:38 AM
Huh, I'm already below the line detailed in TFA at $29,662/yr with 2 kids. Awesome.

Farkers, I have a conundrum. How will I be able to pull myself up by the bootstraps when I can't afford boots?
 
2012-09-21 12:00:32 PM

Elandriel: Huh, I'm already below the line detailed in TFA at $29,662/yr with 2 kids. Awesome.

Farkers, I have a conundrum. How will I be able to pull myself up by the bootstraps when I can't afford boots?


Surely prosperity will trickle down upon you if Republicans are in control

/so it is written
 
2012-09-21 12:53:38 PM

GAT_00: So, taxing the poor puts more people onto government programs? BRILLIANT.


I think means-tested programs rely on pre-tax income. So no.
 
2012-09-21 12:56:08 PM
We could create more jobs if we invaded Iran. Think of all the job creation!
 
2012-09-21 12:58:36 PM
The GOP wants to collect income tax on retired people.
 
2012-09-21 12:59:39 PM
Well, they're not the 1%, so fark 'em, right?

Yet I wonder how many Americans who scream against taxes (so vote Republican, of course), would have their taxes raised if Republicans go their way with this 47%? I'm guessing it's a hell of a lot of them. But they would still vote Republican because Obama raised their taxes; they're just sure of it (when, they now pay less in federal taxes under Obama). Because....socialism. And Satan. And the gays...which pretty much goes back to Satan.
 
2012-09-21 01:06:08 PM
poor people not paying any taxes - OMG! OH MY F*CKING GOD! THIS IS THE END OF EVERYTHING!
rich corporations not paying any taxes - hey, we can't tax corporations, that would be communism! you aren't a commie, are you? no taxes on corporations!

*sigh*

look, if the GOP wants to go this route, then lets tax people who actually HAVE money. that includes corporations.
 
2012-09-21 01:12:24 PM

Elandriel: Huh, I'm already below the line detailed in TFA at $29,662/yr with 2 kids. Awesome.

Farkers, I have a conundrum. How will I be able to pull myself up by the bootstraps when I can't afford boots?


Ask your parents for a loan.
 
2012-09-21 01:14:47 PM
GOP response: "So?"
 
2012-09-21 01:20:56 PM
THAT'S A FEATURE NOT A BUG
 
2012-09-21 01:25:01 PM

what_now: Elandriel: Huh, I'm already below the line detailed in TFA at $29,662/yr with 2 kids. Awesome.

Farkers, I have a conundrum. How will I be able to pull myself up by the bootstraps when I can't afford boots?

Ask your parents for a loan.


Or, generate the income on your own. Sell your stock options.
 
2012-09-21 01:27:16 PM
Oh cry me a river. A bunch of them already live in free government housing.

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2012-09-21 01:45:37 PM
for someone who is known for his inability to maintain a consistent position on anything, it's really funny how romney has stuck to his guns on what is probably the most ridiculous thing ever said by any politician in my lifetime.
 
2012-09-21 01:54:48 PM
To think that at one time, there were actually Republicans who were proud of eliminating taxes on the poor.

The worst loudmouth asshole you ever knew who also considered himself a "conservative" is now not only setting the platform for the Republican party, but demanding all candidates be at least as much of an asshole as he is. And he's winning. Hell, he's pretty much won.

I'm sure there are still some old school Republicans who would take offense at this statement. River in Egypt, and all that.
 
2012-09-21 02:15:24 PM

tallguywithglasseson: To think that at one time, there were actually Republicans who were proud of eliminating taxes on the poor.


Instead of the raise taxes on the poor and middle class while lowering them on the wealthy party? I think Republicans have just decided a dystopian future sounds really cool, so they're going to make it happen as soon as possible for their own amusement.

It will be like Mad Max but with some crazy hell fire and brimstone preacher leading the mob.
 
2012-09-21 02:20:20 PM
a typical poor family - two kids, $33,479 in income

Listen, that is not enough money to feed four people. We need to address that problem.

First and foremost: don't have kids until your income is at a level that can feed them (I don't know, I don't have an exact number. Let's say $25K per person?). If you DO have kids when you're this poor, you should go to jail, and your kids should be raised in a well-funded orphanage. Yes, increase my taxes to pay for the orphanage.

If you have a well-paying job and lose it, I'm happy with you getting welfare until you get back on your feet. But I want sufficient controls in place to say that you are looking for a job that meets your needs.
 
2012-09-21 02:48:30 PM

thomps: for someone who is known for his inability to maintain a consistent position on anything, it's really funny how romney has stuck to his guns on what is probably the most ridiculous thing ever said by any politician in my lifetime.


He's got to double-down on something to appear interested in winning. You think the base is excited about having to vote for this guy? They're not. He has to give them *something* to make them want to vote for him.
 
2012-09-21 03:28:32 PM

Coco LaFemme: He has to give them *something* to make them want to vote for him.


He doesn't have to give them anything they don't already have. Namely a hate of our current president and reaffirm their worldview.
 
2012-09-21 03:55:42 PM
How R|R is polling above 23% is beyond me.
 
2012-09-21 04:02:02 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mangoose: But what would it do for the other 290 million people?

Well, if you put those 9.2 million people back under the poverty line, they'll have absolutely no money to spend on anything, which means they fall off the grid as consumers. Their lack of consumer activity will severely impact businesses of all types, leading to decreased revenues. the reduced business activity will lead to more job losses, which will put more people in danger of poverty, thus beginning the cycle again.

So, to sum up: If you put 9.2 million more people into poverty and remove their ability to earn net income, the other 290 million folks will be farked as well.


Very succinct and to the point.

Oh wait this is fark, so I should probably just say "THIS"
 
2012-09-21 04:02:29 PM
"Skin in the game" sounds too much like a pound of flesh to me.
 
2012-09-21 04:03:25 PM
This really is starting to get a little scary. As all their arguments crumble, they will cling more and more to religious assertions.
 
2012-09-21 04:03:27 PM
Thinking is hard for the GOP
 
2012-09-21 04:03:29 PM
So the GOP wants people to pay their fair share except for the uber rich?
 
2012-09-21 04:07:37 PM
The poor already pay with their blood.
 
2012-09-21 04:08:52 PM
So what, raise the minimum wage? Free abortions? I sort of agree that the government supplementing their income this way isn't maybe the best thing.
 
2012-09-21 04:09:15 PM

serial_crusher: a typical poor family - two kids, $33,479 in income

Listen, that is not enough money to feed four people. We need to address that problem.

First and foremost: don't have kids until your income is at a level that can feed them (I don't know, I don't have an exact number. Let's say $25K per person?). If you DO have kids when you're this poor, you should go to jail, and your kids should be raised in a well-funded orphanage. Yes, increase my taxes to pay for the orphanage.

If you have a well-paying job and lose it, I'm happy with you getting welfare until you get back on your feet. But I want sufficient controls in place to say that you are looking for a job that meets your needs.


I can't figure out if you're trolling, or if you're really this retarded.
 
Ehh
2012-09-21 04:10:47 PM
You know all those humiliating job interview questions they ask you that make it sound like you are a sneaky bastage intent on infiltrating their fine organization and that require you to say how honored, proud, and delighted you are--more than you have ever been in your life--to put on a funny hat and serve coffee or fix copiers or whatever? Yeah, they're just for giggles. The Romneys of the world don't really think that way. They are just playing a little mind game with you so they can weed out the losers.

The top 1% owns half of everything, so the clear solution is to tax the lower half even more and offer tax breaks to the 1%.

The poor still have money--what are they complaining about?
 
2012-09-21 04:11:31 PM

Weaver95: poor people not paying any taxes - OMG! OH MY F*CKING GOD! THIS IS THE END OF EVERYTHING!
rich corporations not paying any taxes - hey, we can't tax corporations, that would be communism! you aren't a commie, are you? no taxes on corporations!

*sigh*

look, if the GOP wants to go this route, then lets tax people who actually HAVE money. that includes corporations.


Geesh, if you're going to satirize on them, include the 'no double taxation!' malarkey "It gets taxed when our shareholders are taxed" They already have a schtick for that.
 
2012-09-21 04:14:01 PM
Taxing the 47% puts millions more people on the government dole. Therefore taxes are bad and Sheldon Adelson should get a tax break. Mitt Romney is automatically president and all libs are immediately sentenced to life in the dilithium mines of Rura Penthe.
 
2012-09-21 04:14:53 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Weaver95: poor people not paying any taxes - OMG! OH MY F*CKING GOD! THIS IS THE END OF EVERYTHING!
rich corporations not paying any taxes - hey, we can't tax corporations, that would be communism! you aren't a commie, are you? no taxes on corporations!

*sigh*

look, if the GOP wants to go this route, then lets tax people who actually HAVE money. that includes corporations.

Geesh, if you're going to satirize on them, include the 'no double taxation!' malarkey "It gets taxed when our shareholders are taxed" They already have a schtick for that.


it just boggles the mind to see/hear GOP pundits scream bloody murder about poor people having any sort of tax advantage...then turn a blind eye while corporations rake in BILLIONS of dollars and pay no taxes on any of it. how do you do that and not explode your head off your shoulders?
 
2012-09-21 04:17:23 PM

Weaver95: Vlad_the_Inaner: Weaver95: poor people not paying any taxes - OMG! OH MY F*CKING GOD! THIS IS THE END OF EVERYTHING!
rich corporations not paying any taxes - hey, we can't tax corporations, that would be communism! you aren't a commie, are you? no taxes on corporations!

*sigh*

look, if the GOP wants to go this route, then lets tax people who actually HAVE money. that includes corporations.

Geesh, if you're going to satirize on them, include the 'no double taxation!' malarkey "It gets taxed when our shareholders are taxed" They already have a schtick for that.

it just boggles the mind to see/hear GOP pundits scream bloody murder about poor people having any sort of tax advantage...then turn a blind eye while corporations rake in BILLIONS of dollars and pay no taxes on any of it. how do you do that and not explode your head off your shoulders?


Don't forget - it's the dirty libs that are waging class warefare.
 
2012-09-21 04:17:35 PM
Of course it would and they know that. it's exactly why they want to to this.
They've noticed over the years that Middle Class folks get all uppity and start demand a say in how goverment works. Can't have all that craziness, time to put the unwashed masses back in their place.

Hypnozombie
 
2012-09-21 04:17:51 PM
Most of these people own a refrigerator so they're not really poor.
 
2012-09-21 04:18:03 PM
'Warfare'. Sheesh.
 
2012-09-21 04:19:50 PM
I'd be happy just to stop paying people to be career criminal crotch-droppers as part of a derpocrap vote-breeding project.

These people aren't in poverty. They just don't report their income from their drug-running and theft.
 
2012-09-21 04:20:43 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Elandriel: Huh, I'm already below the line detailed in TFA at $29,662/yr with 2 kids. Awesome.

Farkers, I have a conundrum. How will I be able to pull myself up by the bootstraps when I can't afford boots?

Surely prosperity will trickle down upon you if Republicans are in control

/so it is written


ouroregon.org

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