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2012-09-21 09:10:22 AM
Toughest doesn't mean tough.
 
2012-09-21 09:12:17 AM
 
2012-09-21 09:13:48 AM
FTFA:

"Whoever has an illegal weapon will have to turn it in, or we will come for it," he told cheering supporters at a recent rally.

Riiiight. Well, they'll come for 8 out of every 100, anyway.
 
2012-09-21 09:20:26 AM
He only won by 89% instead of 95%. See?!
 
2012-09-21 09:21:34 AM
I'll admit to only skimming the wiki article on him and digging through my brain about past news articles I've read/seen, but isn't Chavez's longevity mostly a result of his popularity with Venezuela's poor and his populist approach to economics? I understand his party made some significant changes to the constitution that enhanced his power, but he still has to win elections and the legitimacy of his party's actions on the matter seem to be bolstered by the pretty well-established corruption of the lawmakers he had to deal with.

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator. I may not agree with his policies, but I have a hard time understanding why I'm supposed to be particularly outraged about him most of the time. He does what the people who elected him want him to do, apparently. If you're going to be pro-democracy you're just going to have to accept that sometimes people get elected in other countries who don't want to be your buddy and won't do the things you want them to do.
 
2012-09-21 09:22:20 AM
If he was a dictator, the USA would be throwing all kinds of cash at him and shaking his hand and calling him "Our Guy".

This is all fallout from the fact that Central America and South America have essentially cut ties with the US in a lot of ways (organizations like ALBA, and other trade organizations that completely ignore the US). Probably after years of watching American governments support terrible Latin dictators, pay for killsquads, and generally turn a blind eye to all kinds of atrocities as long as those in power would "play ball".

Chavez ain't Gandhi, but he isn't the bloodthirsty dictator the US media paints him as. More of a cavorting clown.

They hate him because, like Castro, he proves that you can give the USA a big fat middle finger and still manage to run your own country semi-independantly. It's like if you stop paying the Mob protection money. You need to made an example of, otherwise all the other shopowners start saying "hey waitaminute now". They can't embargo Venezuela because they need their oil, so they just slam him as a dictator.
 
2012-09-21 09:22:37 AM
At least he has his very good friend Sean Penn stumping for him.
Link
 
2012-09-21 09:24:05 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll admit to only skimming the wiki article on him and digging through my brain about past news articles I've read/seen, but isn't Chavez's longevity mostly a result of his popularity with Venezuela's poor and his populist approach to economics? I understand his party made some significant changes to the constitution that enhanced his power, but he still has to win elections and the legitimacy of his party's actions on the matter seem to be bolstered by the pretty well-established corruption of the lawmakers he had to deal with.

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator. I may not agree with his policies, but I have a hard time understanding why I'm supposed to be particularly outraged about him most of the time. He does what the people who elected him want him to do, apparently. If you're going to be pro-democracy you're just going to have to accept that sometimes people get elected in other countries who don't want to be your buddy and won't do the things you want them to do.


Yeah his country just loves him, just like Iraq just loved Saddam. That's why he wins election so largely.
 
2012-09-21 09:26:34 AM
Wonder if Chavez still has his paid shills working Fark? For a while any article on Chavez got crap flooded by pro Chavez comments from posters that appeared for nothing else.
 
2012-09-21 09:27:41 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator.


Yes it does. And selling bananas at cost makes you a democracy.
 
2012-09-21 09:29:53 AM
When the majority of your voting population is poor, and your platform is to give the poor better wages, living conditions and education, chances are you'll win an election.
 
2012-09-21 09:30:24 AM

jakomo002: If he was a dictator, the USA would be throwing all kinds of cash at him and shaking his hand and calling him "Our Guy".


i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2012-09-21 09:31:27 AM

muck4doo: Yeah his country just loves him, just like Iraq just loved Saddam. That's why he wins election so largely.


Got any actual evidence or are you just being your typically stupid self? Because I can find plenty of vague accusations of corruption and generic "concerns" over the process, but most of them are the same types of problems you find in any democracy - including the U.S. Nobody seems to have any specific evidence of fraud and monitors have largely said the elections were fair.

So, basically, any actual evidence to justify your passive-aggressive implications or is it just "I don't like him so he must be cheating!"

The poor people seem to like him because he keeps promising to stick it to the rich people. I don't agree with a lot of his policies either, but I'm not a Venezuelan so it doesn't really farking matter what I think and I'm not going to accuse him of being an anti-democratic monster just because I think his policies are short-sighted.

If I were going to take that attitude, I'd be obligated to call everybody who supports Romney treasonous. That would be stupid.
 
2012-09-21 09:32:41 AM
Well, this is the guy who lost his own referendum to make him dictator for life, so it's not like he's a very competent dictator.
 
2012-09-21 09:33:59 AM

muck4doo: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll admit to only skimming the wiki article on him and digging through my brain about past news articles I've read/seen, but isn't Chavez's longevity mostly a result of his popularity with Venezuela's poor and his populist approach to economics? I understand his party made some significant changes to the constitution that enhanced his power, but he still has to win elections and the legitimacy of his party's actions on the matter seem to be bolstered by the pretty well-established corruption of the lawmakers he had to deal with.

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator. I may not agree with his policies, but I have a hard time understanding why I'm supposed to be particularly outraged about him most of the time. He does what the people who elected him want him to do, apparently. If you're going to be pro-democracy you're just going to have to accept that sometimes people get elected in other countries who don't want to be your buddy and won't do the things you want them to do.

Yeah his country just loves him, just like Iraq just loved Saddam. That's why he wins election so largely.


Chavez has been guilty of abuses, for which he should be punished. No question.

But he is no Saddam, gassing thousands of Kurds and shiates, imposing a 20+ year reign of terror. He is no Noriega, or Peron, or Mubarak, or anyone else like the countless bloodthirsty dictators the US has created and propped up in the past (until, that is, political exigencies lead us to discover their terrible crimes and clutch our pearls as we call for smelling salts and aircraft carriers). His government is corrupt and it has used violence and intimidation to achieve its ends, but his crimes have been relatively minor in comparison to our past and current "friends." There was even a time when the US was "rehabilitating" the image of *cough*oil*cough* Gaddafi--that turned out well.

US "friend": freedom fighter and noble upholder of American exceptionalism

US "enemy": despicable dictator who must be destroyed
 
2012-09-21 09:34:11 AM

Franko: When the majority of your voting population is poor, and your platform is to give the poor better wages, living conditions and education, chances are you'll win an election.


Name one dictator who didn't say he was taking power to help the poor. Yes, even you know who said shiat like that.
 
2012-09-21 09:37:04 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: muck4doo: Yeah his country just loves him, just like Iraq just loved Saddam. That's why he wins election so largely.

Got any actual evidence or are you just being your typically stupid self? Because I can find plenty of vague accusations of corruption and generic "concerns" over the process, but most of them are the same types of problems you find in any democracy - including the U.S. Nobody seems to have any specific evidence of fraud and monitors have largely said the elections were fair.

So, basically, any actual evidence to justify your passive-aggressive implications or is it just "I don't like him so he must be cheating!"

The poor people seem to like him because he keeps promising to stick it to the rich people. I don't agree with a lot of his policies either, but I'm not a Venezuelan so it doesn't really farking matter what I think and I'm not going to accuse him of being an anti-democratic monster just because I think his policies are short-sighted.

If I were going to take that attitude, I'd be obligated to call everybody who supports Romney treasonous. That would be stupid.


So true. Venezuela has been in awesome shape since he has taken over and stuck it to the man.
 
2012-09-21 09:38:24 AM

Kibbler: muck4doo: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll admit to only skimming the wiki article on him and digging through my brain about past news articles I've read/seen, but isn't Chavez's longevity mostly a result of his popularity with Venezuela's poor and his populist approach to economics? I understand his party made some significant changes to the constitution that enhanced his power, but he still has to win elections and the legitimacy of his party's actions on the matter seem to be bolstered by the pretty well-established corruption of the lawmakers he had to deal with.

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator. I may not agree with his policies, but I have a hard time understanding why I'm supposed to be particularly outraged about him most of the time. He does what the people who elected him want him to do, apparently. If you're going to be pro-democracy you're just going to have to accept that sometimes people get elected in other countries who don't want to be your buddy and won't do the things you want them to do.

Yeah his country just loves him, just like Iraq just loved Saddam. That's why he wins election so largely.

Chavez has been guilty of abuses, for which he should be punished. No question.

But he is no Saddam, gassing thousands of Kurds and shiates, imposing a 20+ year reign of terror. He is no Noriega, or Peron, or Mubarak, or anyone else like the countless bloodthirsty dictators the US has created and propped up in the past (until, that is, political exigencies lead us to discover their terrible crimes and clutch our pearls as we call for smelling salts and aircraft carriers). His government is corrupt and it has used violence and intimidation to achieve its ends, but his crimes have been relatively minor in comparison to our past and current "friends." There was even a time when the US was "rehabilitating" the image of *cough*oil*cough* Gaddafi--that turned out well.

US "friend": freedom fighter and noble upholder of American excep ...


Noriega, Peron and Mubarak give good, middle-of-the-road dictators like Chavez bad name. Dictators need good role models like him
 
2012-09-21 09:39:44 AM
3 cent/liter gas went up to 5. Tough to explain that one.
 
2012-09-21 09:41:51 AM

LewDux: jakomo002: If he was a dictator, the USA would be throwing all kinds of cash at him and shaking his hand and calling him "Our Guy".

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


Like I said, more of a clown.

As far as I know, though, excepting that picture, the Obama Administration has been pretty harsh over Venezuela.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-ch a vez-doesnt-pose-serious-threat-to-us/1

President Obama said Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez poses no "serious" national security threat to the United States, drawing rebukes from South Florida Republicans and Mitt Romney's campaign.

That's hardly, "Oh yeah, that guy's great!".
 
2012-09-21 09:44:15 AM

jakomo002: LewDux: jakomo002: If he was a dictator, the USA would be throwing all kinds of cash at him and shaking his hand and calling him "Our Guy".

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

Like I said, more of a clown.

As far as I know, though, excepting that picture, the Obama Administration has been pretty harsh over Venezuela.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-ch a vez-doesnt-pose-serious-threat-to-us/1

President Obama said Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez poses no "serious" national security threat to the United States, drawing rebukes from South Florida Republicans and Mitt Romney's campaign.

That's hardly, "Oh yeah, that guy's great!".


Obama knows better about that guy, and was just doing that to make you Chavez lovers happy.
 
2012-09-21 09:44:36 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle:

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator.



No, it doesn't.

But shutting down opposition radios stations, television stations, newspapers, arresting and jailing political opponents
and virtually outlawing opposition political parties does.


And this:
He and Castro have lived so long by feeding off of their own evil.
 
2012-09-21 09:47:08 AM
There used to be a farker who would post in these threads from Venezuela. I wish I could remember who that was. I haven't seen him post in a while.
 
2012-09-21 09:47:58 AM

LewDux: Noriega, Peron and Mubarak give good, middle-of-the-road dictators like Chavez bad name. Dictators need good role models like him


The USA propped up DOZENS of worse dictators in Latin America during the last century. Somoza and Pinochet being probably the worst.

Someone said it upthread, but it bears repeating. Chavez LOST a referendum on extending Presidential terms. LOST it. Dictators don't attempt to seize control by letting the public VOTE for them seizing control. They just take it.
 
2012-09-21 09:48:32 AM

douchebag/hater: Vegan Meat Popsicle:

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator.


No, it doesn't.

But shutting down opposition radios stations, television stations, newspapers, arresting and jailing political opponents
and virtually outlawing opposition political parties does.


And this:
He and Castro have lived so long by feeding off of their own evil.


Link
 
2012-09-21 09:49:00 AM
Wow, Subby is an idiot as are most of the people commenting here.

If he's a dictator, why didn't his package of "extra powers" (which would have made him much closer to a dictator) pass a few years ago? Somehow his dictatorial grip on the country messed up and allowed him to lose that one?

Just because you don't like the guy is not a reason to suggest he's a dictator or that elections aren't fair. There has been no evidence elections haven't been fair, and all of the "money" in Venezuela has been trying to get rid of him any way they can--including coup--for the last decade.

Face it: he has the poor people on his side, and there are a lot of poor people in Venezuela. Unlike in this country, the rich haven't been able to convince the poor that it's better to vote in someone who has absolute contempt for them, so they continue to vote for Chavez.
 
2012-09-21 09:49:55 AM

douchebag/hater: But shutting down opposition radios stations, television stations, newspapers, arresting and jailing political opponents
and virtually outlawing opposition political parties does.


Bwahaha. How about a link, professor? Venezuela's media slams him every day.
 
2012-09-21 09:50:52 AM
Dated a Venezuelan for about a year that had come to Montreal to study at McGill. Her family was loaded, and as part of the "elite" they were regularly fleeced by "zoning representatives" (usually army personnel) looking to convert the expansive mansions of the rich to communal housing for the less fortunate. Pay your "campaign contributions" on time and you got to keep living the sweet life in your gated compound. Choose not to and all of a sudden your property was deemed part of a new "community living expansion initiative" and you got booted out. Unless you suddenly decided to start paying your contribution again, which was then doubled. Her dad actually included this in the family's expenses.

The kicker is that if that happened and several poorer families moved in, there was little to no government upkeep of the property, meaning that it would eventually become a hazard and have to be evacuated. Basically, this was Chavez's way of handling the rich, filling his coffers and keeping the poor on his side. "Pay me my tribute, or your mansion essentially gets trashed." She told me that history and economics teachers all through her high school years (private schools for the well-off, obviously) regularly extolled Chavez's policies and those who thought otherwise were chastised. She was told that it was the elite's responsibility to help the poor and that a tight government grip on them was the surest way to get them to cooperate. The US was regularly brought up as an example of why letting the rich contribute only out of the kindness of their own hearts didn't work.
 
2012-09-21 09:51:59 AM

muck4doo: Franko: When the majority of your voting population is poor, and your platform is to give the poor better wages, living conditions and education, chances are you'll win an election.

Name one dictator who didn't say he was taking power to help the poor. Yes, even you know who said shiat like that.


FDR?
 
2012-09-21 09:52:29 AM

jakomo002: LewDux: Noriega, Peron and Mubarak give good, middle-of-the-road dictators like Chavez bad name. Dictators need good role models like him

The USA propped up DOZENS of worse dictators in Latin America during the last century. Somoza and Pinochet being probably the worst.

Someone said it upthread, but it bears repeating. Chavez LOST a referendum on extending Presidential terms. LOST it. Dictators don't attempt to seize control by letting the public VOTE for them seizing control. They just take it.


True. And Saddam Hussein also had elections. Elections mean everything is legit.

/Selected not elected! is something you should never say.
//He says he wants to help the poor, so he must be a good guy
 
2012-09-21 09:57:49 AM

Christian Bale: Just because you don't like the guy is not a reason to suggest he's a dictator or that elections aren't fair. There has been no evidence elections haven't been fair, and all of the "money" in Venezuela has been trying to get rid of him any way they can--including coup--for the last decade.


I suspect most of the "Chavez is a muuuuurderous dictator" people have no actual appreciation of what a dictator is, other than what their media shrieks at them.

Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. Dictator. Was a brutal dictator, great friend to the USA, recipient of billions of dollars in military aid yearly over 30+ years. Then last year he became a Bad Guy and had to be gotten rid of. Bad Hosni.

Chavez. Buffoonish elected President of Venezuela. Nationalized many industries once he took power, to ensure no foreign companies profited off his country's resources. US went ballistic. Bush Administration slammed him daily in press briefings (as does the current Republican crop). Best known for claiming to smell brimstone ater taking the UN podium following Dubya's speech, and periodic mismanagement of his country. Bad Hugo.
 
2012-09-21 09:59:51 AM

muck4doo: True. And Saddam Hussein also had elections. Elections mean everything is legit.

/Selected not elected! is something you should never say.
//He says he wants to help the poor, so he must be a good guy


Once again, comparing Saddam Hussein to Hugo Chavez is ridiculous, and you expose your own ignorance by beating that dead not-even-a-horse.
 
2012-09-21 10:00:24 AM

muck4doo: Franko: When the majority of your voting population is poor, and your platform is to give the poor better wages, living conditions and education, chances are you'll win an election.

Name one dictator who didn't say he was taking power to help the poor. Yes, even you know who said shiat like that.


Yes, but Chavez has actually given the poor things (i don't think he's really helped them. but the government did increase the provision of services they didn't have before). Of course, I don't think his programs are meant to build up the capacity of people to self-govern and are more geared towards creating a dependence that keeps him in power. The opposition (accurately) accuses Chavez of basically using the national treasury to buy votes with these programs... but the people that came before him just took all the oil money and kept it (I'm sure he's stealing too... but at least he throws a bone down to the masses). If the elite running the country before Chavez had bothered to use a cut of the money they were stealing to provide for the people, the conditions that allowed him to come to power would not have existed.

And he is not a dictator. He's more like a shady ass politician. He did stack the deck in his favor by changing the constitution... but it wasn't as though there hadn't been venezuelan elites stacking the deck before. He doesn't have a 50 +1 majority of support... but his opposition has been mostly splintered and he's been able to win those elections.
 
2012-09-21 10:06:00 AM
Savage Bacon


Dated a Venezuelan for about a year



You have any "good" pictures?
 
2012-09-21 10:07:09 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll admit to only skimming the wiki article on him and digging through my brain about past news articles I've read/seen, but isn't Chavez's longevity mostly a result of his popularity with Venezuela's poor and his populist approach to economics? I understand his party made some significant changes to the constitution that enhanced his power, but he still has to win elections and the legitimacy of his party's actions on the matter seem to be bolstered by the pretty well-established corruption of the lawmakers he had to deal with.

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator. I may not agree with his policies, but I have a hard time understanding why I'm supposed to be particularly outraged about him most of the time. He does what the people who elected him want him to do, apparently. If you're going to be pro-democracy you're just going to have to accept that sometimes people get elected in other countries who don't want to be your buddy and won't do the things you want them to do.


He also cancels the broadcast license for any television or radio station who advocates for his opponents. He utilizes state media as a self promotion tool. Every station is required to air his self promotion speeches. He nationalizes the business and arrests political opponents. His party is in charge of elections and vote counting.

But other than that, totally up and up.
 
2012-09-21 10:14:40 AM

macadamnut: Oh, they understand all right.


+10 That was awesome.
 
2012-09-21 10:16:05 AM

MyRandomName: He also cancels the broadcast license for any television or radio station who advocates for his opponents. He utilizes state media as a self promotion tool. Every station is required to air his self promotion speeches. He nationalizes the business and arrests political opponents. His party is in charge of elections and vote counting.


Um, yeah. Link?
 
2012-09-21 10:20:28 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll admit to only skimming the wiki article on him and digging through my brain about past news articles I've read/seen, but isn't Chavez's longevity mostly a result of his popularity with Venezuela's poor and his populist approach to economics? I understand his party made some significant changes to the constitution that enhanced his power, but he still has to win elections and the legitimacy of his party's actions on the matter seem to be bolstered by the pretty well-established corruption of the lawmakers he had to deal with.

Doing things the U.S. frowns upon doesn't make him a dictator. I may not agree with his policies, but I have a hard time understanding why I'm supposed to be particularly outraged about him most of the time. He does what the people who elected him want him to do, apparently. If you're going to be pro-democracy you're just going to have to accept that sometimes people get elected in other countries who don't want to be your buddy and won't do the things you want them to do.


Why do you hate America?
 
2012-09-21 10:21:47 AM

jakomo002: douchebag/hater: But shutting down opposition radios stations, television stations, newspapers, arresting and jailing political opponents
and virtually outlawing opposition political parties does.

Bwahaha. How about a link, professor? Venezuela's media slams him every day.


Do you honestly not know how to use google? All of what he said is easily searchable.

Closes radio station.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/08/01/venezuela-media-idUSN014655 1 720090801

Chavez seeks to arrest political opponent.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871833695184867.html

Threatens to nationalize banks of opponents.
https://www.whatsnextvenezuela.com/news/chavez-threatens-to-nationali z e-banks-that-support-his-political-opponents/

His Party sets it up for the incumbent to have huge advantages in elections.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/the-chavez-plan-to-s t eal-venezuelas-presidential-election-what-obama-should-do

You should really learn about this new tool called google.
 
2012-09-21 10:22:07 AM

jakomo002: LewDux: Noriega, Peron and Mubarak give good, middle-of-the-road dictators like Chavez bad name. Dictators need good role models like him

The USA propped up DOZENS of worse dictators in Latin America during the last century. Somoza and Pinochet being probably the worst.

Someone said it upthread, but it bears repeating. Chavez LOST a referendum on extending Presidential terms. LOST it. Dictators don't attempt to seize control by letting the public VOTE for them seizing control. They just take it.


And that's why he's about to become president for 4th time
 
2012-09-21 10:22:43 AM
1.FYI we get free oil from these guys for our elderly and really poor in Massachusetts.Fact. Thx Joe Kennedy.
2. Used to be a CIA run govt. -fact. Look it up.
3. CIAs Puppet sold off the nations wealth: minerals, oil, the works, water was next.
4 IMF loan laced the riches pockets with an iou from the poor.
5. IMF loan repayment penalties included some farked up clauses: 1st place they were REQUIRED to cut national spending? Education. (wtf)?)
6. Hugo led a populist uprising and kicked the good ol USA the fark outta their country.



7. I am ashamed of my govenment when i see shiat like this.
8. MOST RESPONSIBLE for this travesty of democracy: CIA.

Dont live in an echo chamber. Television news is pure crap. READ, from multiple sources. The internet is your friend.
 
2012-09-21 10:23:09 AM

jakomo002: MyRandomName: He also cancels the broadcast license for any television or radio station who advocates for his opponents. He utilizes state media as a self promotion tool. Every station is required to air his self promotion speeches. He nationalizes the business and arrests political opponents. His party is in charge of elections and vote counting.

Um, yeah. Link?


You really are too lazy to google anything that may go against your political bias. I provided links above. My guess is you do not read them or dismiss them outright.

I don't like dealing with intellectually lazy people. So we are done unless you have something to offer other than asking others to be your research team.
 
2012-09-21 10:23:13 AM
He keeps foreign powers from raping his country of resources, while doing things like selling gasoline for 4 cents a gallon to push his own economic interests. What an asshole.

and dont even get me STARTED on their free healthcare to all citizens.
 
2012-09-21 10:26:04 AM

Alonjar: He keeps foreign powers from raping his country of resources, while doing things like selling gasoline for 4 cents a gallon to push his own economic interests. What an asshole.

and dont even get me STARTED on their free healthcare to all citizens.


His attempts at nationalization have caused massive inflation in his country. There is a food and housing shortage due to his nationalization strategy.

I'll take being able to eat over 4 cents a gallon gasoline.

http://directaction.org.au/issue19/venezuelas_revolutionary_battle_ag a inst_inflation

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/world/americas/venezuela-faces-shor t ages-in-grocery-staples.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
2012-09-21 10:26:09 AM
Some experts blame Chavez for allowing the country to become a transit point for the South American drug trade.

It took experts to figure this out?
 
2012-09-21 10:29:23 AM

Alonjar: He keeps foreign powers from raping his country of resources, while doing things like selling gasoline for 4 cents a gallon to push his own economic interests. What an asshole.

and dont even get me STARTED on their free healthcare to all citizens.


There is no such thing as free healthcare. The resources have to come from somewhere. This isn't Star Trek with replicators ;-)
 
2012-09-21 10:31:15 AM
jakomo002

muck4doo: True. And Saddam Hussein also had elections. Elections mean everything is legit.

/Selected not elected! is something you should never say.
//He says he wants to help the poor, so he must be a good guy

Once again, comparing Saddam Hussein to Hugo Chavez is ridiculous, and you expose your own ignorance by beating that dead not-even-a-horse.


Not nearly as ridiculous as you want it to be.....A common feature of dictatorships is the erosion of the line between the individual leader and the state, and even the nation. Saddam for Iraq....Kim Jong-il for Korth Korea and Chavez for Venezuela. All Evil - All Dictators.

s1.reutersmedia.net
 
2012-09-21 10:32:57 AM

MyRandomName: Closes radio station.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/08/01/venezuela-media-idUSN014655 1 720090801

Chavez seeks to arrest political opponent.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871833695184867.html

Threatens to nationalize banks of opponents.
https://www.whatsnextvenezuela.com/news/chavez-threatens-to-nationali z e-banks-that-support-his-political-opponents/

His Party sets it up for the incumbent to have huge advantages in elections.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/the-chavez-plan-to-s t eal-venezuelas-presidential-election-what-obama-should-do

You should really learn about this new tool called google.


You should learn that if you use only google to prove what you know you'll be beaten every single time. Your links, again, don't show Chavez to be a dictator. "Opponents claim he is akin to a dictator" doesn't cut it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/21/us-venezuela-election-chave z -factbox-idUSBRE88K06
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Here are some key facts about Chavez:

Born to a poor family in the Venezuelan plains, or "llanos," on July 28, 1954, Chavez once aspired to be a painter and then a professional baseball player. He often explains politics using baseball metaphors and the folksy language of the llanos he learned during his childhood.

A former lieutenant colonel, Chavez spent much of his later military career conspiring with other leftist officers to overthrow the traditional political order. He led a 1992 coup that failed but made his reputation and propelled him toward the presidency as a populist leader.

Chavez won a 1998 presidential election and took office early the following year. Opposition politicians and dissident troops led a coup against him in 2002, but supporters and loyal soldiers swept him back to power in less than two days. Chavez accuses the U.S. government of backing the putsch.

Chavez has enjoyed wide backing among Venezuela's poor majority with massive social spending to expand health and education programs, financed by income from oil exports. He has also cultivated support by confronting the United States, which he denounces as a decadent empire.

Chavez has at various points threatened to shut off oil supplies to the United States - including when he accused then-U.S. President George W. Bush of backing the short-lived 2002 coup attempt - but has always backed off. The United States remains Venezuela's major export market.

Inspired by his friend and mentor, Cuba's Fidel Castro, Chavez has taken Venezuela down an increasingly radical path, nationalizing large swaths of the economy and running the government with a personalized - many say autocratic - style. Opponents say he has become an old-style Latin American "caudillo," or dictator, repressing critics, squandering the nation's oil wealth and ruining its economy.


Wow, google, huh?
 
2012-09-21 10:34:45 AM
I think gas there is really like a quarter. Chavez ain't so bad. People who think otherwise are either rapid neo-fascists, or confuse FOXnews with scholarship. US tried to boot him at the first, openly attempting to depose a democratic government. No soap. Guess they will have to console themselves sweet recall dreams of Mosaddegh in Iran.
 
2012-09-21 10:36:35 AM

MyRandomName: You really are too lazy to google anything that may go against your political bias. I provided links above. My guess is you do not read them or dismiss them outright.


Read them all. One guy, a former ally jailed for corruption, another about closing radio stations in 2009, and nationalizing ALL banks, and some article about corruption in voting.

Again, none of the actions of a bloodthirsty dictator. Just a particularly inept politician who gives good speeches but ain't so smart about everything. Again and again and again not a dictator. They don't use the courts, they use a bludgeon.
 
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