The more things change, the more they stay the same:

Breaking News: Employees are given bonuses for successful job performances!

Other Breaking News: Romney Campaign losing ground in key states, forced to triage resources!

somedude210: Diogenes: kbronsito: Diogenes:

What do you think Gingrich was in it for?

The chicks?

Excellent point.

To be fair, have you seen his wife? I'm not sure she'd let that happen

...or she'd join in

/I think I'm gonna hurl
//eyebleach, please


He hasn't let that stop him in the past.

But they need those bonuses to retain those high value employees, otherwise some other campaign might poach that talent, and THEN where would Mitt be?

kbronsito: Diogenes:

What do you think Gingrich was in it for?

The chicks?

Callista has cancer?

I don't understand. I thought Romney took in over $80 trillion over the past few months and was trouncing Obama in fundraising.
Seriously though, how does a couple of $25,000 payouts seemingly bankrupt a campaign bankrolled by billionaires? Could it be someone is lying to me about the amount of money in the Romney campaign coffers and most news outlets are full of shiat?

I wonder how much of the bonus the staffers were required to kick back to Mitt.

Diogenes: I live in Florida. If it means less ads here, I say pay those guys more.

Fair shot that this winds up being a real problem for them. Most of their money comes from big donors, and big donors will not keep doubling down on a losing cause. As they slide in the polls their money will get tighter and tighter. And they don't look to have any "game changer" to try and arrest the slide this time around.

DubyaHater: I don't understand. I thought Romney took in over $80 trillion over the past few months and was trouncing Obama in fundraising.
Seriously though, how does a couple of $25,000 payouts seemingly bankrupt a campaign bankrolled by billionaires? Could it be someone is lying to me about the amount of money in the Romney campaign coffers and most news outlets are full of shiat?

Wondering the same thing myself. I thought the Romney campaign had Scrooge McDuck piles of money to spend; how can they not have enough cash to maintain a media presence?

somedude210: Aarontology: So he's running his campaign like he does his businesses: Paying off his cronies while giving no thought to the long term consequences.

Imagine if he ran the country like that

hubiestubert: In fairness, I suspect that this is the real job for the Romney campaign: to slide campaign dollars into the right hands. It is taking on the aspect of a very public money laundering scheme...




Oh Hai Guyz, whatz going on in this thread?....

YodaBlues: kbronsito: Diogenes:

What do you think Gingrich was in it for?

The chicks?

Callista has cancer?

It does sound more appealing than farking Newt.

WTF Indeed: Breaking News: Employees are given bonuses for successful job performances!


You and I have different ideas about what 'success' means.

somedude210: Aarontology: So he's running his campaign like he does his businesses: Paying off his cronies while giving no thought to the long term consequences.

Imagine if he ran the country like that



No need to imagine it - we'v seen it.

Zerochance: Wondering the same thing myself. I thought the Romney campaign had Scrooge McDuck piles of money to spend; how can they not have enough cash to maintain a media presence?

Boats and planes leave these shores everyday for the Caymans.

Not the employees' faults that he is a shiatty candidate

Just a guess: those bonuses were in contracts, as win bonuses for actually winning the nomination, and couldn't not be paid out.

So, basically, he's running his campaign like he ran companies bought by Bain. Skimming off all the cash and flushing the rest down the toilet.

No mention of how many food stamps Obama issued after his convention?

I see that my work is done here.

Mitt hits the fan, once a day.

Seriously, not a single day went lately without something negative coming out about this campaign.

ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

theorellior: CLOWN SHOES. RED RUBBER NOSES. SQUIRTING LAPEL FLOWERS. SELTZER BOTTLES. RAINBOW WIGS.

Someone put this campaign out of its misery.

Or at least bring out the lion tamer, so that we have something interesting to watch.

hubiestubert: In fairness, I suspect that this is the real job for the Romney campaign: to slide campaign dollars into the right hands. It is taking on the aspect of a very public money laundering scheme...

Someone else said it on Fark the other day, but this has a serious "Producers" vibe to it; Mitt's "47%" comments were like opening night at "Springtime for Hitler," right down to the idiots getting over their shock and lapping up the terrible production as if it was intentional.

fracto: You and I have different ideas about what 'success' means.

someonelse: the campaign gave out about $200,000 in bonuses to senior employees just after the Republican National Convention,

Now if you read slightly further down....

"These were primary win bonuses pursuant to employment agreements paid after the convention," Saul said in an email Friday morning.

Reading is hard!

Aarontology: So he's running his campaign like he does his businesses: Paying off his cronies while giving no thought to the long term consequences.

That is why you're favorited.

/golf clap

coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

WTF Indeed: Breaking News: Employees are given bonuses for successful job performances!



Yeah, I'd call that an astonishing success.

thenewmissus: Aarontology: So he's running his campaign like he does his businesses: Paying off his cronies while giving no thought to the long term consequences.

That is why you're favorited.

/golf clap

America is doomed

Those bonuses are going to trickle down into votes.

coeyagi: PsyLord: This is the CEO mentality... you have to have the best leaders... even if you have to screw over your business for them.

It's what gave us the band Asia.

Sometimes making decisions in the heat of the moment isn't the best course of action.

Marcus Aurelius: I bet he stiffed his caterers.

NSFWlanguage.

Link

Mentat: Weaver95: so now all he has to do is buy another campaign, run up a TON of debt on THAT campaign's balance sheets and then let that campaign implode while the Romney campaign clears all it's books and pays out another round of bonuses to senior executives.

Hello Sarah Palin!

You know you're in the shiatter when Sarah Palin starts looking like a viable option.

/smh

qorkfiend: Just a guess: those bonuses were in contracts, as win bonuses for actually winning the nomination, and couldn't not be paid out.

So he's a great businessman who failed at planning for an expense that has been an absolute certainty for months? I hope he runs with that.

somedude210: Imagine if he ran the country like that

Given the House GOP's behavior for the past two years, we have the luxury of not having to "imagine" it.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Here's 25 large. Please don't abandon this sinking ship.

That was my first thought. My immediate reaction was "This isn't a bonus. It's a bribe."

somedude210: Aarontology: So he's running his campaign like he does his businesses: Paying off his cronies while giving no thought to the long term consequences.

Imagine if he ran the country like that

It would be almost like 2000-2008 all over again.

Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

DubyaHater: I don't understand. I thought Romney took in over $80 trillion over the past few months and was trouncing Obama in fundraising.
Seriously though, how does a couple of $25,000 payouts seemingly bankrupt a campaign bankrolled by billionaires? Could it be someone is lying to me about the amount of money in the Romney campaign coffers and most news outlets are full of shiat?

Most of those numbers were combined fundraising numbers. Most of that money went to the RNC for congressional races.

skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Going with skullkrusher on this one. These guys signed contracts that stipulated they'd get a bonus should Mitt Romney win the nomination. Mitt Romney won the nomination; these guys get their contractually obligated bonuses. It's not like the existence of these bonuses was a secret, and the campaign has known they would have to pay them out for months. I don't see how anyone would be better served if the bonuses hadn't been paid out; the lawsuits would be swift and damaging, and the narrative becomes "Mitt Romney throws campaign staff under the bus."

thurstonxhowell: qorkfiend: Just a guess: those bonuses were in contracts, as win bonuses for actually winning the nomination, and couldn't not be paid out.

So he's a great businessman who failed at planning for an expense that has been an absolute certainty for months? I hope he runs with that.

Where was the bad business aspect of this?

thurstonxhowell: qorkfiend: Just a guess: those bonuses were in contracts, as win bonuses for actually winning the nomination, and couldn't not be paid out.

So he's a great businessman who failed at planning for an expense that has been an absolute certainty for months? I hope he runs with that.

I doubt they failed to plan for this expense. Pulling ads has nothing to do with these bonuses.

qorkfiend: Going with skullkrusher on this one.

you don't have to say it like you're gonna contract typhus ;)

coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

You're also entitled to stuff you've been paying into your whole life, But let's call them parasites for a little right wing red meat.

maybe you should find someone who has made such a statement

A lot of this is because, imo, no one know how far money goes anymore, not even those with money (at least not outside of their own specialized fields). Romney is just telling his wealthy donors like Adelson that he needs X amount, to hire Y people and run Z advertisements, and they're just handing him a check.

It's just like military requisitions: the Department of Defense says that it needs $100 million for its latest toy, a price that Raytheon or some other defense contractor quoted it, and it says to Congress, hey Congress, we need $100 million for Weapon X, which will do Y, and help keep Z country stable.

Do any of these things cost that much money? Of course it does, because we said so.

Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

FTFA: According to the Post, Beeson received a $37,500 bonus on top of his monthly salary of $13,750. Rhoades, Chen and Gitcho received $25,000 each.

You may be right. And it will probably be the last time that top staffers will make that mistake. From now on they'll want a guarantee that their bonuses won't be affected by such a loser of a candidate.

at the end of the article:

And, setting aside the joint committees and the DNC and RNC, Obama's campaign committee - even after its massive ad spending - has $88.8 million in the bank versus $50.4 million for Romney's.

not in the article: apparently the SuperPacs supporting Obama have started outraising the ones supporting the Romneybot.

What happened to Sheldon's $100 million? and the Koch family's support?

More_Like_A_Stain: Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

FTFA: According to the Post, Beeson received a $37,500 bonus on top of his monthly salary of $13,750. Rhoades, Chen and Gitcho received $25,000 each.

You may be right. And it will probably be the last time that top staffers will make that mistake. From now on they'll want a guarantee that their bonuses won't be affected by such a loser of a candidate.

their bonuses were contingent on him winning the nomination

dumbobruni: What happened to Sheldon's $100 million? and the Koch family's support?

The rich only bet on sure things.

DGS: qorkfiend: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Going with skullkrusher on this one. These guys signed contracts that stipulated they'd get a bonus should Mitt Romney win the nomination. Mitt Romney won the nomination; these guys get their contractually obligated bonuses. It's not like the existence of these bonuses was a secret, and the campaign has known they would have to pay them out for months. I don't see how anyone would be better served if the bonuses hadn't been paid out; the lawsuits would be swift and damaging, and the narrative becomes "Mitt Romney throws campaign staff under the bus."

Once again "well, that's what the contract says, so lay off the conservative" but when someone on the left fights for a contract they can live with, they're selfish and hate America. If the Chicago Teacher's Union had accepted a shiatty contract "for the kids", later they'd have no leg to stand on and the conservatives would say something like "well, if it was a bad contract you shouldn't have signed it".

If he didn't think he'd have the money to pay the bonuses without borrowing, he shouldn't have offered them, or he should have cut on some of his spending so he wouldn't need to borrow to make ends meet. Isn't that the message conservatives have about US fiscal policy? So which is it?

I didn't say anything about the right's views of public employee contracts, or the wisdom of borrowing to finance a presidential campaign.

Bag of Hammers: dumbobruni: What happened to Sheldon's $100 million? and the Koch family's support?

The rich only bet on sure things.

I think that money has gone to SuperPACs, and can't be directly touched by the campaign.

DGS: qorkfiend: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Going with skullkrusher on this one. These guys signed contracts that stipulated they'd get a bonus should Mitt Romney win the nomination. Mitt Romney won the nomination; these guys get their contractually obligated bonuses. It's not like the existence of these bonuses was a secret, and the campaign has known they would have to pay them out for months. I don't see how anyone would be better served if the bonuses hadn't been paid out; the lawsuits would be swift and damaging, and the narrative becomes "Mitt Romney throws campaign staff under the bus."

Once again "well, that's what the contract says, so lay off the conservative" but when someone on the left fights for a contract they can live with, they're selfish and hate America. If the Chicago Teacher's Union had accepted a shiatty contract "for the kids", later they'd have no leg to stand on and the conservatives would say something like "well, if it was a bad contract you shouldn't have signed it".

If he didn't think he'd have the money to pay the bonuses without borrowing, he shouldn't have offered them, or he should have cut on some of his spending so he wouldn't need to borrow to make ends meet. Isn't that the message conservatives have about US fiscal policy? So which is it?

bonuses totaled $200k in total.

Romneybot's campaign borrowed $20 million.

sorry farklibs, but the "Rmoney borrowed money to pay bonuses!!!!11!!!" talking point doesn't hold water.

Springtime for Mittens?

skullkrusher: More_Like_A_Stain: Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

FTFA: According to the Post, Beeson received a $37,500 bonus on top of his monthly salary of $13,750. Rhoades, Chen and Gitcho received $25,000 each.

You may be right. And it will probably be the last time that top staffers will make that mistake. From now on they'll want a guarantee that their bonuses won't be affected by such a loser of a candidate.

their bonuses were contingent on him winning the nomination

There you go. Then it's fauxrage. It's smart for campaign staffers to add stipulations to their contracts that make them some serious money. If I were a candidate, I'd be more likely to hire somebody that knows how to protect their interests because then I can be certain they'll know how to fight for mine.

Nothing to see here. Move on.

"totaled......in total"

*facepalm*

YodaBlues: kbronsito: Diogenes:

What do you think Gingrich was in it for?

The chicks?

Callista has cancer?

Wow. Just wow. I bow to you.

/golf clap

DGS: Once again "well, that's what the contract says, so lay off the conservative" but when someone on the left fights for a contract they can live with, they're selfish and hate America. If the Chicago Teacher's Union had accepted a shiatty contract "for the kids", later they'd have no leg to stand on and the conservatives would say something like "well, if it was a bad contract you shouldn't have signed it".

If he didn't think he'd have the money to pay the bonuses without borrowing, he shouldn't have offered them, or he should have cut on some of his spending so he wouldn't need to borrow to make ends meet. Isn't that the message conservatives have about US fiscal policy? So which is it?

there's no story here man. Let it go.

skullkrusher: More_Like_A_Stain: Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

FTFA: According to the Post, Beeson received a $37,500 bonus on top of his monthly salary of $13,750. Rhoades, Chen and Gitcho received $25,000 each.

You may be right. And it will probably be the last time that top staffers will make that mistake. From now on they'll want a guarantee that their bonuses won't be affected by such a loser of a candidate.

their bonuses were contingent on him winning the nomination

And he won, which triggered the payout. I was commenting on Zero's speculation that there may have been an additional modifier regarding the amount of said bonuses for meeting certain polling levels.

More_Like_A_Stain: And he won, which triggered the payout. I was commenting on Zero's speculation that there may have been an additional modifier regarding the amount of said bonuses for meeting certain polling levels.

oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

dericwater: More_Like_A_Stain: YodaBlues: kbronsito: Diogenes:

What do you think Gingrich was in it for?

The chicks?

Callista has cancer?

It does sound more appealing than farking Newt.

I will stake a claim that Callista and Newt hasn't had sex in the past 3 years. Anyone care to bet against me?

I will.

/I am sure she is getting some, probably from the pool boy.

hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

Edsel: Diogenes: I live in Florida. If it means less ads here, I say pay those guys more.

Fair shot that this winds up being a real problem for them. Most of their money comes from big donors, and big donors will not keep doubling down on a losing cause. As they slide in the polls their money will get tighter and tighter. And they don't look to have any "game changer" to try and arrest the slide this time around.

Also, because big donors are worried in the senate races, they are going to pull away from Mitt and give to the local and state races. That is why GOTv efforts are needed this year more than ever.

skullkrusher: I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though.

I would think that they're simply guns for hire, available to the highest bidder. But who knows, either of us could be right or wrong.

More_Like_A_Stain: skullkrusher: I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though.

I would think that they're simply guns for hire, available to the highest bidder. But who knows, either of us could be right or wrong.

possibly. Farking mercenaries

dumbobruni: bonuses totaled $200k in total.

Romneybot's campaign borrowed $20 million.

sorry farklibs, but the "Rmoney borrowed money to pay bonuses!!!!11!!!" talking point doesn't hold water.

I don't see anybody suggesting it does, and certainly not the Farker you quoted.

In the meantime keep ignoring the 800 gorilla in the room...namely, that Romney's campaign is running short of cash so borrowed $20 million, AND STILL HAD TO DROP ADS.

Keep up your pathetic excuse for trolling, though. It give us "farklibs" someone to point and laugh at.

Weaver95: More_Like_A_Stain: skullkrusher: More_Like_A_Stain: Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

FTFA: According to the Post, Beeson received a $37,500 bonus on top of his monthly salary of $13,750. Rhoades, Chen and Gitcho received $25,000 each.

You may be right. And it will probably be the last time that top staffers will make that mistake. From now on they'll want a guarantee that their bonuses won't be affected by such a loser of a candidate.

their bonuses were contingent on him winning the nomination

And he won, which triggered the payout. I was commenting on Zero's speculation that there may have been an additional modifier regarding the amount of said bonuses for meeting certain polling levels.

If that's true, then I think it's AWESOME! Romney is broke and it's all his own doing.

Uhhhh, not even close. The campaign borrowed the funds because until he was officially the nominee the GOP general fund could not give him any money. The campaign is not even close to "broke".


/I would say it is broken though.

skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

hubiestubert: DGS: qorkfiend: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Going with skullkrusher on this one. These guys signed contracts that stipulated they'd get a bonus should Mitt Romney win the nomination. Mitt Romney won the nomination; these guys get their contractually obligated bonuses. It's not like the existence of these bonuses was a secret, and the campaign has known they would have to pay them out for months. I don't see how anyone would be better served if the bonuses hadn't been paid out; the lawsuits would be swift and damaging, and the narrative becomes "Mitt Romney throws campaign staff under the bus."

Once again "well, that's what the contract says, so lay off the conservative" but when someone on the left fights for a contract they can live with, they're selfish and hate America. If the Chicago Teacher's Union had accepted a shiatty contract "for the kids", later they'd have no leg to stand on and the conservatives would say something like "well, if it was a bad contract you shouldn't have signed it".

If he didn't think he'd have the money to pay the bonuses without borrowing, he shouldn't have offered them, or he should have cut on some of his spending so he wouldn't need to borrow to make ends meet. Isn't that the message conservatives have about US fiscal policy? So which is it?

Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

I don't see anything wrong with trying to attract top talent by offering contractual performance incentives, and then paying out those contractually obligated incentives when performance targets are met.

As for the question of "borrowing" - every presidential campaign borrows. It's how you get money for ads now, since you can't wait for the donations you'll be getting over the course of the next few months. And, as the headline points out, Romney did cut spending, in what was deemed the least damaging place to cut.

Would it be better or worse, from a fiscal perspective, to not pay the bonuses, considering you'd end up having to pay them plus court costs after you get sued?

Lost Thought 00: More_Like_A_Stain: skullkrusher: I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though.

I would think that they're simply guns for hire, available to the highest bidder. But who knows, either of us could be right or wrong.

They are usually guns for hire, but they rarely cross party boundaries, if that makes sense. So they "believe" in the generic Republican ideology, but they are indifferent to the specific candidate

ok that makes sense

skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

Money from the GOP coffers once he officially accepted the nomination.

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

skullkrusher: thurstonxhowell: qorkfiend: Just a guess: those bonuses were in contracts, as win bonuses for actually winning the nomination, and couldn't not be paid out.

So he's a great businessman who failed at planning for an expense that has been an absolute certainty for months? I hope he runs with that.

Where was the bad business aspect of this?

I read the headline to mean the Romney's campaign was someone caught unprepared for this expense. I see now that there's no support for that in the article.

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

I am anti-romney, but damn why can't some people read?

For they could not sway you
But still your point was true
And when no hope was left inside
On that starry, starry night

You're making sense as smarties often do
But I could have told you, qorkfiend
This echo chamber was never meant
For one as sensible as you

Anyone with the fortitude to stick it out as a Romney campaign manager deserves a bonus.

skullkrusher: More_Like_A_Stain: skullkrusher: I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though.

I would think that they're simply guns for hire, available to the highest bidder. But who knows, either of us could be right or wrong.

possibly. Farking mercenaries

Meh. They're analysts. They review tons of very dynamic data and make recommendations. There's value in those skills. They deserve to be paid well, I suppose. If on the other hand, their compensation is tied to the performance of a candidate that refuses to follow their advice, or farks up in a myriad of other ways, the bonuses may have to be either fixed or tied to some other type of milestone in the future. Of course this is nothing more than speculation on my part, and only holds for the top staffers. The further down the food chain you go, the more loyalty to the candidate, and fewer bonuses you'll find. At least in my imaginary world. YMMV.

my channeling Don McLean and Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies applies to jst3p and thurstonxhowell as well

jst3p: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

I am anti-romney, but damn why can't some people read?

My deepest and most abject apologies for my error. I will try harder to meet you standards of perfection in the future.

According to the Post, Beeson received a $37,500 bonus on top of his monthly salary of $13,750. Rhoades, Chen and Gitcho received $25,000 each.

Man, I'm in the wrong industry...

/at least I can sleep at night....

There's really nothing to this story. Employees met a bonus milestone in their contract and they got paid the bonus. The author is trying to make hay out of the fact that bonuses were paid when the campaign hasn't exactly been in great shape, but he's just grasping at straws. My company could have a terrible losing month, but if a salesperson made their bonus numbers that month they get paid the bonus that was agreed to.

Look, this is just another example of how Mitt has experienced hardship in his life and how he knows what it's like to struggle just like everyone else.

Mitt had to pause commercials in order to afford bonuses, and that's exactly like when a mom needs to decide between food or medicine for her kids, and how DARE anyone ever say otherwise!

Holy shiat, but I have to imagine that all involved are trying their level best to tank his campaign because they realized at some point that it's possible they might accidentally win.

Philip Francis Queeg: jst3p: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

I am anti-romney, but damn why can't some people read?

My deepest and most abject apologies for my error. I will try harder to meet you standards of perfection in the future.


see, jst3p, what he's trying to do here is avoid doing the normal thing and make some sort of self-deprecating joke about not reading TFAs or something and instead trying to pretend that you're in the wrong.

Just wanted to make sure you understood what was happening here.

coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

You're also entitled to stuff you've been paying into your whole life, But let's call them parasites for a little right wing red meat.

maybe you should find someone who has made such a statement

Link

3rd or 4th link, real tough to find.

the implication was that you'd find such a person and have the argument you're trying to have with me with him instead.

skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Yup. Especially union contracts huh? Amirite?

dericwater: I mean Callista and Newt having sex with each other.

Damn you!

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: jst3p: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

I am anti-romney, but damn why can't some people read?

My deepest and most abject apologies for my error. I will try harder to meet you standards of perfection in the future.


see, jst3p, what he's trying to do here is avoid doing the normal thing and make some sort of self-deprecating joke about not reading TFAs or something and instead trying to pretend that you're in the wrong.

Just wanted to make sure you understood what was happening here.

I apologize for my previous apology.

thenewmissus: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Yup. Especially union contracts huh? Amirite?

not "especially" but those are certainly included. You are indeed "rite". Now what?

Philip Francis Queeg: jst3p: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

I am anti-romney, but damn why can't some people read?

My deepest and most abject apologies for my error. I will try harder to meet you standards of perfection in the future.

I appreciate the effort, but I won't hold my breath. My standards are pretty high, what with expecting people to read the article we are commenting on.

Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

I believe that's what happened. I am sure that it was contract related. With that being said, he probably shouldn't have let that information get out. How did it get out? Was it due to financial reporting of some kind or did someone in his camp leak that information?

thenewmissus: Zerochance: Here's some food for thought hopefully some knowledgeable farkers can clear up...

Could this be contract-based work? Meaning, maybe these people have stipulations in their contracts that state "if I have you polling at this percentage after such-and-such date then this bonus will be awarded".

I believe that's what happened. I am sure that it was contract related. With that being said, he probably shouldn't have let that information get out. How did it get out? Was it due to financial reporting of some kind or did someone in his camp leak that information?

I think they have to release regular reports about the campaign's finances.

jst3p: Philip Francis Queeg: jst3p: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: hubiestubert: Pretty much. THIS is the sort of brilliant accounting that we can expect with a Romney Presidency, as well as the sort of predicative power that his processors can run.

Great for the folks who are hired, not so great prognostication for the nation. Can we really afford this sort of short term thinking?

borrowing against a known future payout to meet current obligations. You're trying too hard here, Hubes

What known future payout?

I can't read the article for you. Only you can do that.

I am anti-romney, but damn why can't some people read?

My deepest and most abject apologies for my error. I will try harder to meet you standards of perfection in the future.

I appreciate the effort, but I won't hold my breath. My standards are pretty high, what with expecting people to read the article we are commenting on.

I really did appreciate the time you gave me to respond an apologize. Some people don't do that. It's people like you that make the Fark Politics tab the classy place it is.

coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

You're also entitled to stuff you've been paying into your whole life, But let's call them parasites for a little right wing red meat.

maybe you should find someone who has made such a statement

Link

3rd or 4th link, real tough to find.

the implication was that you'd find such a person and have the argument you're trying to have with me with him instead.

I don't seem to have this problem with any other poster. Stop implying. How about this:

maybe you should find someone who has made such a statement and argue with them

How f*cking hard is this?

it's not so you can imagine my surprise that you're still going with it

Mugato: hubiestubert: In fairness, I suspect that this is the real job for the Romney campaign: to slide campaign dollars into the right hands. It is taking on the aspect of a very public money laundering scheme...

That would make a lot more sense than him actually trying to be President.

It's pretty obvious that this is what is going on. It's a lot easier (a bit more legal) to rob the campaign coffers by paying out "bonuses" to staffers than to simply transfer the funds directly to your personal bank accounts, offshore though they may be.

Part of those "bonuses" will be kicked-back...

Wonder what Sheldon thinks of that, since it's mostly his money?

silvervial: Mugato: hubiestubert: In fairness, I suspect that this is the real job for the Romney campaign: to slide campaign dollars into the right hands. It is taking on the aspect of a very public money laundering scheme...

That would make a lot more sense than him actually trying to be President.

It's pretty obvious that this is what is going on. It's a lot easier (a bit more legal) to rob the campaign coffers by paying out "bonuses" to staffers than to simply transfer the funds directly to your personal bank accounts, offshore though they may be.

Part of those "bonuses" will be kicked-back...

Wonder what Sheldon thinks of that, since it's mostly his money?

It's not mostly his money. Adelson's donations go to the SuperPACs, not directly to the campaign, which is where these bonuses come from.

Philip Francis Queeg: I really did appreciate the time you gave me to respond an apologize. Some people don't do that. It's people like you that make the Fark Politics tab the classy place it is.

hubiestubert: For a guy who is supposed to be so visionary and brilliant, how has he bogged his campaign down with so much debt and cost without a solid war chest? Six years of experience, and you'd think that he'd have this down pat...

How long does it normally take him to load up an organization with crushing debt, bankrupt it, and sell it for parts? I'm just trying to figure where six years is on the typical arc.

jst3p: Philip Francis Queeg: I really did appreciate the time you gave me to respond an apologize. Some people don't do that. It's people like you that make the Fark Politics tab the classy place it is.

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Right back attcha Mr "Why can't anyone read the article! Whah!"

hubiestubert: The issue isn't the bonuses for a somewhat lackluster bounce, but rather, a candidate running on his fiscal prowess, borrowing heavily, as opposed to the touted money gap that his campaign was running. That for all the amounts that his campaign has spent, he's not just lagging at the polls, he's paying folks who can't seem to get it through his head to simply stop saying stupid crap. That after essentially 6 years campaigning, he doesn't seem to be actually very good at it. He's the nominee, so folks are supporting him, but it's not just lackluster support, it's somewhat formulaic and obligatory.

For a guy who is supposed to be so visionary and brilliant, how has he bogged his campaign down with so much debt and cost without a solid war chest? Six years of experience, and you'd think that he'd have this down pat...

until he accepted the nomination, he was not allowed to use funds he raised for the general election. Instead, even after he had wrapped up the nomination, he was forced to run on funds raised for the primary run which was not officially over until he accepted the nomination. He has essentially been running a general election campaign for weeks using left over primary funds. He ran out of these primary funds and had to borrow against funds which became unlocked once he officially accepted the nomination. He has had issues getting small individual donors (probably for obvious reasons). The alternative would have been to close the "business" e.g. not campaign until those funds became available. Since this would have been the stupid thing to do (as opposed to borrowing money against funds he knew would be soon available) you're barking up the stupid tree

Philip Francis Queeg: jst3p: Philip Francis Queeg: I really did appreciate the time you gave me to respond an apologize. Some people don't do that. It's people like you that make the Fark Politics tab the classy place it is.

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Right back attcha Mr "Why can't anyone read the article! Whah!"

You are right, this whole thing is my fault. I apologize for expecting anything other than ignorance from your keyboard.

skullkrusher: Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

What do you know? That's two things we agree on today (the first being that this is really a non-story).

thenewmissus: skullkrusher: Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

What do you know? That's two things we agree on today (the first being that this is really a non-story).

everything Hader does is great but Carville especially

/honorable mention to Stefan

This seems like a bunch of nothing to me, and I can't stand Romney.

There's plenty of crap to give Romney about without fabricating outrage.

Edsel: Diogenes: I live in Florida. If it means less ads here, I say pay those guys more.

Fair shot that this winds up being a real problem for them. Most of their money comes from big donors, and big donors will not keep doubling down on a losing cause. As they slide in the polls their money will get tighter and tighter. And they don't look to have any "game changer" to try and arrest the slide this time around.

What if the big donors are just funnelling the last 4 years of gains through Romney's campaign to avoid some convoluted legal trouble? Or avoid a 3% increase in marginal rates in two years or so...

I'm not convinced Romney's smart enough to actually launder money a la Herman Cain. I DO think Sheldon Adelson is smart enough to use Romney to launder money.

skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: ITT: people who would apparently think better of Romney had he stiffed his employees out of money which was due to them

Due to them? Would you say those employees felt "entitled" to that money?

yeah, you're entitled to stuff that's in an employment contract. Weird how contracts work huh?

Yup. Especially union contracts huh? Amirite?

not "especially" but those are certainly included. You are indeed "rite". Now what?

Thank you.

skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

What do you know? That's two things we agree on today (the first being that this is really a non-story).

everything Hader does is great but Carville especially

/honorable mention to Stefan

OMG THIS^. I love Stefan. I wish he and Seth would get together already (LOL).

thenewmissus: skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

What do you know? That's two things we agree on today (the first being that this is really a non-story).

everything Hader does is great but Carville especially

/honorable mention to Stefan

OMG THIS^. I love Stefan. I wish he and Seth would get together already (LOL).

thread is dead so this ain't no jack, Jack...

I thought the season premiere was really good

Bag of Hammers: hubiestubert: In fairness, I suspect that this is the real job for the Romney campaign: to slide campaign dollars into the right hands. It is taking on the aspect of a very public money laundering scheme...


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Oh Hai Guyz, whatz going on in this thread?....

Why is RON PAUL standing in front of the Emerald City of Oz.

skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

What do you know? That's two things we agree on today (the first being that this is really a non-story).

everything Hader does is great but Carville especially

/honorable mention to Stefan

OMG THIS^. I love Stefan. I wish he and Seth would get together already (LOL).

thread is dead so this ain't no jack, Jack...

I thought the season premiere was really good

If we keep on agreeing the world is going to implode. ; )

thenewmissus: skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: thenewmissus: skullkrusher: Zerochance: skullkrusher: oh well there could be that too - I'd imagine campaign staffers tend to support their candidate in thought as well though. The bonus based on polls or winning the general could just be an incentive. It's not really a freelance sort of business where these guys would go to work for Bernie Sanders or something I don't think. Could be wrong though.

It is a freelance business of sorts. IIRC, James Carville was an adviser to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos' presidential campaign, who ideologically can be best described as a moderate Republican.

tangentially, Bill Hader's Carville is one of my favorite SNL characters of recent vintage

What do you know? That's two things we agree on today (the first being that this is really a non-story).

everything Hader does is great but Carville especially

/honorable mention to Stefan

OMG THIS^. I love Stefan. I wish he and Seth would get together already (LOL).

thread is dead so this ain't no jack, Jack...

I thought the season premiere was really good

If we keep on agreeing the world is going to implode. ; )

quick, talk about taxes or something!

/we'll probably largely agree on that too
//just farking with ya now ;)

How much did the empty chair get?

DubyaHater: I don't understand. I thought Romney took in over $80 trillion over the past few months and was trouncing Obama in fundraising.
Seriously though, how does a couple of $25,000 payouts seemingly bankrupt a campaign bankrolled by billionaires? Could it be someone is lying to me about the amount of money in the Romney campaign coffers and most news outlets are full of shiat?

Pledges of money to Super PACs are not the same as what is in the campaign coffers. At least in theory. But, Super PAC donations can be written off as a business expense. Obama has far less money for Super PACS than Romney. But the Romeny campaign's money is less than Obama's.

vpb: Aarontology: So he's running his campaign like he does his businesses: Paying off his cronies while giving no thought to the long term consequences.

Well, that's the beauty of corporations being people. Personal profit without personal responsibility.

That's the sole reason corporations exist, to deflect responsibility. And yet they drone on about responsibility.