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2012-09-21 09:39:37 AM
Carney was talking about Benghazi specifically, and Obama about the global protests in general - I see no issue here.
 
2012-09-21 09:41:36 AM
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After the White House for the first time Thursday explicitly called the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya an act of terror, President Obama ducked an opportunity to clear up the confusion about the ever-changing narrative -- appearing to hold firm to the story that an anti-Islam film was to blame.
"


You know, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2012-09-21 09:41:45 AM

LasersHurt: Carney was talking about Benghazi specifically, and Obama about the global protests in general - I see no issue here.


Other than the scary brown man can't possibly be keeping us safe from the scary brown people, you mean?
 
2012-09-21 09:43:27 AM

Snapper Carr: You know, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.


They're not using the exact same words, so vote Republican.
 
2012-09-21 09:44:24 AM
Terrotunist? Socealist?


/got nuthin
 
2012-09-21 09:51:52 AM
I think the core of the problem here is politics and violence in some religion.
 
2012-09-21 09:52:54 AM
So - is Obama blaming terrorism or that stupid movie now? It's hard to keep track without a teleprompter.
 
2012-09-21 09:53:05 AM
In all my time reading the Politics tab, I'm slowly starting to realize that Fox News isn't as bad as some of the other publications that are regularly greenlit out here. This article is utterly stupid, and fails to make important connections between what Obama is talking about, and what Carney is talking about, but the writer is a Mensa member compared to the wipers that wipe for shiat-covered toilet paper like American Thinker, WND, TownHall, etc.

And I'm appalled by that fact.
 
2012-09-21 09:53:26 AM
Fox can spin absolutely anything in any way possible.
 
2012-09-21 10:01:51 AM
Not sure what the poutrage is all about. The protests/riots were over the stupid movie, and the terrorists reacted quickly to seize the opportunity.
 
2012-09-21 10:05:05 AM
The pedantry of the right-wingers over stuff like this is absolutely remarkable.
 
2012-09-21 10:05:35 AM
Sounds like they were playing the odds in Cyrenaica and got burned. Tempted fate a little too long. Oh well. I suppose that Stevens fellow and his associates knew the risks. But clearly this was a planned strike. It seems likely these guys were going to take a shot at the ambassador on 9-11 if they got the chance, and they did. They'd taken a shot at a British diplomat not too long ago. All the whargarbl about the movie having anything to do with it is sort of pathetic, you have to admit.
 
2012-09-21 10:05:45 AM

karnal: So - is Obama blaming terrorism or that stupid movie now? It's hard to keep track without a teleprompter.


Why on earth do you need a teleprompter?
 
2012-09-21 10:07:06 AM

karnal: So - is Obama blaming terrorism or that stupid movie now? It's hard to keep track without a teleprompter.


Are you taking requests? 'cause I haven't heard "Typical White Person" in a while.
 
2012-09-21 10:08:23 AM

Snapper Carr: You know, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.


I think that most of the problem with republicans in nothing more than a simple lack of imagination.

Libyan #1: "Hey guys, look at this video that some asshole in America made!"
Libyan #2: "And look here - one of their imams who is popular enough to get on TV is praising it!"
Libyan #1: "These dicks! Number 2, call up numbers 3 - 8, tell them to get a hold of the rpg's and machine guns we took home after the we offed Quadaffi. At 3 PM, we'll start shooting at the US mission's west wall, they start shooting at the south, and we'll kill everyone inside."

I don't find small groups of decently trained, well-armed, and completely autonomous groups of men walking around after a civil war to be all that hard to imagine. Just think how the shootout at the OK corral would have been if a couple of the Earp brothers had taken AK-47's home after the Civil War instead of muskets.
 
2012-09-21 10:16:08 AM
The video was uploaded to Youtube in JULY. Christopher Stevens was assassinated on Sept 11th.

Even the president of Libya says it was planned months in advance.

What Obama is trying to convince you of is:

It is just a coincidence Libyans discovered this Youtube video on Sept 11th, even though it had been posted months earlier.

Spontaneously, Libyan rioters, who just happened to have rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades, various small arms (AK-47 and the Belgium-made FN F2000 NATO assault rifles), and mortars lying around nearby them when they were watching Youtube attacked the US Consulate.
 
2012-09-21 10:18:08 AM
I think the film is a red herring, a ruse to get the useful idiots riled up. The footage on YouTube has been up for months. I find it hard to believe all of this is spontaneous outrage. I guess if the Administration wants to keep blaming some idiot who hurt some people's feelings with a stupid movie, that's their decision. I think that's remarkably simplistic thinking. (And the clips of this "film" are damn near unwatchable they are so bad. The acting is terrible, the dialogue is almost insensible and I won't even hazard a guess as to what the plot is. What I saw makes "Manos: The Hands of Fate" look like "Lawrence of Arabia" by comparison.)
 
2012-09-21 10:22:29 AM

SlothB77: posted months earlier.


Thanks for the link.

On September 8, 2012, an excerpt of the YouTube video was broadcast on Al-Nas TV, an Egyptian Islamist television station
 
2012-09-21 10:25:12 AM

SlothB77: The video was uploaded to Youtube in JULY. Christopher Stevens was assassinated on Sept 11th.

Even the president of Libya says it was planned months in advance.

What Obama is trying to convince you of is:

It is just a coincidence Libyans discovered this Youtube video on Sept 11th, even though it had been posted months earlier.

Spontaneously, Libyan rioters, who just happened to have rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades, various small arms (AK-47 and the Belgium-made FN F2000 NATO assault rifles), and mortars lying around nearby them when they were watching Youtube attacked the US Consulate.


The video was broadcast on Egyptian TV the first week of September, complete with an Arabic translation.

Nice try though.
 
2012-09-21 10:25:21 AM

Snapper Carr: "

After the White House for the first time Thursday explicitly called the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya an act of terror, President Obama ducked an opportunity to clear up the confusion about the ever-changing narrative -- appearing to hold firm to the story that an anti-Islam film was to blame.
"

You know, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.


That's what righties seem to fail to understand -- sometimes, situations are complicated, and more than one party shares blame.

/it's like if you leave your car unlocked and your cell phone on the dash
//sure, the guy that steals it is a dirty thief
///but you're also an idiot for giving him the opportunity
 
2012-09-21 10:25:33 AM

SlothB77: The video was uploaded to Youtube in JULY. Christopher Stevens was assassinated on Sept 11th.

Even the president of Libya says it was planned months in advance.

What Obama is trying to convince you of is:

It is just a coincidence Libyans discovered this Youtube video on Sept 11th, even though it had been posted months earlier.

Spontaneously, Libyan rioters, who just happened to have rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades, various small arms (AK-47 and the Belgium-made FN F2000 NATO assault rifles), and mortars lying around nearby them when they were watching Youtube attacked the US Consulate.


What do you think happened to the Libyan Army small arms after Ghadaffi died?

They saw the riots in Egypt, got the usual catspaws to riot in Benghazi, and then used them as cover to attack the Consulate. They were waiting for an opportunity; if it hadn't been this, it would have been something else.
 
2012-09-21 10:28:29 AM
So, the administration is finally admitting after a week what even Libya itself was saying. Pathetic they couldn't utter the word "terrorism" until now for fear of the Republicans jumping on the opportunity to say a terrorist attack successfully occurred under Obama.
 
2012-09-21 10:29:58 AM

Apocalyptic Inferno: So, the administration is finally admitting after a week what even Libya itself was saying. Pathetic they couldn't utter the word "terrorism" until now for fear of the Republicans jumping on the opportunity to say a terrorist attack successfully occurred under Obama.


Ready, Fire, AIM!
 
2012-09-21 10:32:22 AM
In fact, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine the perpetrators are kind of pissed-off that the movie uproar stole their thunder.
 
2012-09-21 10:34:11 AM
Has no one actually looked at the URL to find this interesting string?

carney-elf-evident-benghazi-attack-was-terrorism


fc03.deviantart.net
 
2012-09-21 10:57:08 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: What do you think happened to the Libyan Army small arms after Ghadaffi died?


The Obama administration opened an investigation into whether the attack in Libya was a planned terrorist attack on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, because it was "too coordinated or professional to be spontaneous", rather than a spontaneous mob that was angry over a YouTube video criticizing Islam.[42] According to The New York Times and CNN, officials within the Obama administration have said that they believe the attack in Benghazi was deliberate,[43] and reports indicate one or more[44][45] pro-al Qaeda groups may have been involved in the attack.

Speaking on the political interview show Face the Nation on September 16, Senator John McCain (R) Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he suspected the attack was planned in advance and was not prompted by the furor over an obscure anti-Muslim film produced in the U.S. McCain said, "Most people don't bring rocket-propelled grenades and heavy weapons to demonstrations. That was an act of terror."[46]
 
2012-09-21 10:58:34 AM

theknuckler_33: SlothB77: posted months earlier.

Thanks for the link.

On September 8, 2012, an excerpt of the YouTube video was broadcast on Al-Nas TV, an Egyptian Islamist television station


Why do you think Egyptian TV waited to broadcast this just three days before 9/11/2012? This is about more than just one video. Again, it was posted to youtube in JULY.
 
2012-09-21 11:03:33 AM

SlothB77: theknuckler_33: SlothB77: posted months earlier.

Thanks for the link.

On September 8, 2012, an excerpt of the YouTube video was broadcast on Al-Nas TV, an Egyptian Islamist television station

Why do you think Egyptian TV waited to broadcast this just three days before 9/11/2012? This is about more than just one video. Again, it was posted to youtube in JULY.


Well, that's a fair question. My understanding is that it was translated into Arabic and shown by a Coptic Christian 'Journalist'.
 
2012-09-21 11:08:57 AM
I really don't understand how this couldn't have been a case of a protest that the terrorist groups were waiting for so that the violence they would incite would be more successful. Why is that so hard to understand, inserting planned agitators into an opportunistic situation. People have iPhones and computers nowadays, they can grab their bombs, rocket launchers and rifles and be at a meeting place in the time it takes to get there..

This line of questioning seems like a giant red herring to me, big enough to eat Moby Dick, and just as obvious.
 
2012-09-21 11:12:27 AM
See what happens when obummer doesn't have his telepromter.

pumapac.org
 
2012-09-21 11:17:25 AM
FTFA:

"Instead, Obama launched into an explanation about how the U.S. saw something it's seen before, where "there is an offensive video or cartoon directed at the Prophet Muhammad" and that is used "as an excuse by some to carry out inexcusable violent acts" against the U.S."

Obama isn't citing the film as the cause, he's citing it as an excuse that was used. Pointing out what violent fanatics are using as an excuse for violence isn't excusing violent fanatics.
 
2012-09-21 11:17:58 AM
Here's two questions I have.

It's now said that the two former seals were not guarding the ambassador, but herd the fight and went to help. So who the fuk was guarding the ambassador and what happened to them?

And WTF was the ammabasador doing in Bengazi on 9/11 in the first place. Are our ammasbasadors that clueless to their surroundings?
 
2012-09-21 11:23:43 AM

karnal: So - is Obama blaming terrorism or that stupid movie now? It's hard to keep track without a teleprompter.


Exactly, let's look at what he said the next day:

"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts." -- Barack Obama, Sept 12, 2012

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.... We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." -- Barack Obama, Sept 12, 2012

"This was an attack by a small and savage group, not the people or government of Libya." -- Hilary Clinton, Sept 12, 2012

So, on Sept 12th, they were saying:
- respect all faiths
- reject attacks on religious beliefs
- no justification for attacks
- considered acts of terror
- bring perps to justice
- attack by small group
- not blaming Libyan people or government

That doesn't sound too bad. But wait... look at what they said yesterday:

"What we've seen over the last week, week and a half, is something that actually we've seen in the past, where there is an offensive video or cartoon directed at the prophet Muhammad. And this is obviously something that then is used as an excuse by some to carry out inexcusable violent acts directed at Westerners or Americans." -- Barack Obama, Sept 20, 2012

"we worked with Secretary Clinton to redouble our security and to send a message to the leaders of these countries, essentially saying, although we had nothing to do with the video, we find it offensive, it's not representative of America's views, how we treat each other with respect when it comes to their religious beliefs, but we will not tolerate violence." -- Barack Obama, Sept 20, 2012

"our goal now is not only to make sure that our embassies and our diplomats are safe, but also to make sure that we bring those who carried out these events to justice" -- Barack Obama, Sept 20, 2012

(when asked if Libya was a terrorist attack by Iran or al Qaeda): "I don't want to speak to something until we have all the information. What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests" -- Barak Obama, Sept 20, 2012

So, now the talking points are:
- offensive video was attack on Islamic beliefs
- treat others religious beliefs with respect
- won't tolerate violence
- bring perps to justice
- still investigating
- natural protests (not preplanned)
- video used as an excuse by extremists

Actually, those seem pretty consistent. What's the big disconnect you see?
 
2012-09-21 11:23:46 AM

Brick-House: Here's two questions I have.

It's now said that the two former seals were not guarding the ambassador, but herd the fight and went to help. So who the fuk was guarding the ambassador and what happened to them?

And WTF was the ammabasador doing in Bengazi on 9/11 in the first place. Are our ammasbasadors that clueless to their surroundings?


Some people say the earth is flat.
 
2012-09-21 11:23:52 AM

Brick-House: Here's two questions I have.

It's now said that the two former seals were not guarding the ambassador, but herd the fight and went to help. So who the fuk was guarding the ambassador and what happened to them?

And WTF was the ammabasador doing in Bengazi on 9/11 in the first place. Are our ammasbasadors that clueless to their surroundings?


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-21 11:29:25 AM
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle, it was beautiful, magical
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily, joyfully, playfully, watching me
But then they sent me away to teach me how to be communist, atheist, terrorist, journalist
And they showed me a world where I could be Un-American, Libyan, Bolivian, Iranian...
 
2012-09-21 11:40:21 AM

Mikey1969: I really don't understand how this couldn't have been a case of a protest that the terrorist groups were waiting for so that the violence they would incite would be more successful. Why is that so hard to understand, inserting planned agitators into an opportunistic situation. People have iPhones and computers nowadays, they can grab their bombs, rocket launchers and rifles and be at a meeting place in the time it takes to get there..

This line of questioning seems like a giant red herring to me, big enough to eat Moby Dick, and just as obvious.


Even if we find out after investigation that al Qaeda or Iran helped instigate the protests by reminding people of this on the anniversary of 9/11, I don't really see how that changes anything:
- al Qaeda and Iran have always been stirring people up against us
- There is no way the US government could have prevented people in other countries from getting stirred up against us
- The embassy staff in Libya had no desire, reason or mission to insult Islam or Libyan, and nothing to do with the video. There is no shame in stating that to the people of Libya or anyone else.
- The Secretary of State and the President both responded clearly saying that America rejects attacks on religious beliefs; that the video was not a justification for the attacks, and that they will work with the Libyan government to investigate and bring the perps to justice. This is a fine response.

I'd like to think that if this were Bush or McCain responding this way to similar attacks that I'd be fine with it too. I recall that after 9/11 I was please with Bush's willingness to wait until the facts were in before jumping to conclusions.
 
2012-09-21 11:44:10 AM

Snarfangel: When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle, it was beautiful, magical
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily, joyfully, playfully, watching me
But then they sent me away to teach me how to be communist, atheist, terrorist, journalist
And they showed me a world where I could be Un-American, Libyan, Bolivian, Iranian...


Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned?

I know...it sounds absurd.
 
2012-09-21 11:46:53 AM

Zasteva: that they will work with the Libyan government to investigate and bring the perps to justice. This is a fine response.


This is the only response. The first major test of a new government is handling its own internal security. What was the first thing the US had to do once its independence was finalized? Put down a rebellion. Israel? Crack down on Jewish extremists. Now Libya has to do the same.
 
2012-09-21 11:47:54 AM
"zOMG B. Hussein Osama's foreign policy suX0rz! Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!"

"What are you going to do about the deficit?"

"Moar tax cuts for the job creators! Bomb Iran! Bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!"
 
2012-09-21 11:57:54 AM

Zasteva: I'd like to think that if this were Bush or McCain responding this way to similar attacks that I'd be fine with it too. I recall that after 9/11 I was please with Bush's willingness to wait until the facts were in before jumping to conclusions.


Yeah, I liked Bush's reaction at first for the same reason, then he went a preemptive nutso on us, making shiat up, but at the beginning, I admired his response as well.
 
2012-09-21 12:12:22 PM
Wall of text omitted

Zasteva: What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests" -- Barak Obama, Sept 20, 2012


"Protests" like what are happening right now are not "natural." They are indicative of gross mental illness stemming from paranoid religious delusions of persecution, combined with the very worst psychology of mob behavior; mob behavior that is manipulated by unscrupulous, unethical, and ruthless theocratic figureheads and terrorists.

Someone, many someones, in positions of power over the Islamic dramatic actors had better start advising that getting used to satire, humor, parody, sarcasm, burlesque, etc., etc. needs to be the order of the day.

this bullshiat self-righteous, bigoted, Great Satan-hating, misogynistic organization of "true-believers" needs to begin the process of emotionally maturing and intellectually developing. They need to stop this "I'm outraged" horseshiat every time their absured Mohammed idol is rightly pelted with humor-poop. Poop on Mohammed. Poop, I say.
 
2012-09-21 01:03:38 PM

qorkfiend: Zasteva: that they will work with the Libyan government to investigate and bring the perps to justice. This is a fine response.

This is the only response. The first major test of a new government is handling its own internal security. What was the first thing the US had to do once its independence was finalized? Put down a rebellion. Israel? Crack down on Jewish extremists. Now Libya has to do the same.


www.yitzchakrabin.com

"Should have worked harder at that one."
 
2012-09-21 01:10:58 PM

lantawa: Wall of text omitted

Zasteva: What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests" -- Barak Obama, Sept 20, 2012

"Protests" like what are happening right now are not "natural." They are indicative of gross mental illness stemming from paranoid religious delusions of persecution, combined with the very worst psychology of mob behavior; mob behavior that is manipulated by unscrupulous, unethical, and ruthless theocratic figureheads and terrorists.

Someone, many someones, in positions of power over the Islamic dramatic actors had better start advising that getting used to satire, humor, parody, sarcasm, burlesque, etc., etc. needs to be the order of the day.

this bullshiat self-righteous, bigoted, Great Satan-hating, misogynistic organization of "true-believers" needs to begin the process of emotionally maturing and intellectually developing. They need to stop this "I'm outraged" horseshiat every time their absured Mohammed idol is rightly pelted with humor-poop. Poop on Mohammed. Poop, I say.


Tea party rallies?
 
2012-09-21 01:11:46 PM

SlothB77: The video was uploaded to Youtube in JULY. Christopher Stevens was assassinated on Sept 11th.

Even the president of Libya says it was planned months in advance.

What Obama is trying to convince you of is:

It is just a coincidence Libyans discovered this Youtube video on Sept 11th, even though it had been posted months earlier.

Spontaneously, Libyan rioters, who just happened to have rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades, various small arms (AK-47 and the Belgium-made FN F2000 NATO assault rifles), and mortars lying around nearby them when they were watching Youtube attacked the US Consulate.


Weird thing, though: "The film remained largely obscure until early September 2012, when duplicate videos dubbed in the Arabic language were uploaded onto YouTube and picked up by Egyptian bloggers and news publications, triggering a series of anti-American protests in the wake of the videos that have been characterized as "anti-Islamic."

It's almost like someone deliberately timed the Arabic version to hit the fan near the anniversary of 9/11. Odd, too, that the man who made the film tried to blame it on Jews.
 
2012-09-21 01:17:33 PM
There is a distinct possibility that the youtube video (which did result in non-violent protests) and the planned violent attacks in Egypt and Libya were part of the same operation. The video alone would never have led to this kind of violence, and the attack alone would have been condemned by Democrats, Republicans and the Libyan and Egyptian governments. By using the video as a pretext, a rift is created between all these parties since the video is constitutionally protected free speech in the U.S. but illegal hate speech in Egypt and Libya. It also helps the initial, planned, attacks inspire more attacks by others unrelated to the initial operation. Finally, and one assumes this was the goal, this mix of infectious violence and free-speech-vs.-religious-tolerance issues moves public opinion on both sides toward the conclusion that a violent confrontation is inevitable and desirable.

Tin foil hat? Sure. But the film has to be considered a covert operation on some level, even if the operators are just a bunch of crazy Christian extremist volunteers. A significant amount of planning and effort went in to concealing the nature of the filmmakers' cinematic endeavors and to concealing the identities of those involved. This was followed by an international media outreach campaign to promote the film to local audiences in the Muslim world. As one "consultant" to the film said, "we knew something like this was going to happen." Of course he did, that was the point.

It's possible that the filmmakers had direct contact with the organizers of the violence in Africa, but even if they didn't I think Americans have to consider whether a covert agit-prop campaign designed to influence U.S. politics is protected free speech.
 
2012-09-21 01:31:00 PM

lantawa: Zasteva: "What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests" -- Barak Obama, Sept 20, 2012

lantawa: "Protests" like what are happening right now are not "natural."


Why do you put protests in quotes? How are these different from actual protests?

They are indicative of gross mental illness stemming from paranoid religious delusions of persecution, combined with the very worst psychology of mob behavior; mob behavior that is manipulated by unscrupulous, unethical, and ruthless theocratic figureheads and terrorists.

Sounds like human nature to me. Mob psychology doesn't have to be good or desirable to be natural and predictable.

Someone, many someones, in positions of power over the Islamic dramatic actors had better start advising that getting used to satire, humor, parody, sarcasm, burlesque, etc., etc. needs to be the order of the day.

A lot of them do. Most muslims aren't extremists. There were a large number of Lybians who protested the violence against Americans, saying it doesn't represent them and apologizing for the attack. Link

this bullshiat self-righteous, bigoted, Great Satan-hating, misogynistic organization of "true-believers" needs to begin the process of emotionally maturing and intellectually developing.

Absolutely. And applies equally to extremists of a number of religions, not just muslim extremists.

They need to stop this "I'm outraged" horseshiat every time their absured Mohammed idol is rightly pelted with humor-poop. Poop on Mohammed. Poop, I say.

Look, people get outraged when they are offended. It would be great if everyone could just let things slide and go with the flow, man, but most people aren't wired or trained that way. If you offend people or poop on their holy of holies you should expect some outrage. This isn't an excuse for violence -- civilized people shouldn't threaten and certainly shouldn't use violence toward one for any reason, especially not to express their outrage. The only justification for violence is proportional self defense against imminent harm.
 
2012-09-21 01:40:03 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7339782/79524021#c79524021" target="_blank">Sock Ruh Tease</a>:</b> <i>In all my time reading the Politics tab, I'm slowly starting to realize that Fox News isn't as bad as some of the other publications that are regularly greenlit out here. This article is utterly stupid, and fails to make important connections between what Obama is talking about, and what Carney is talking about, but the writer is a Mensa member compared to the wipers that wipe for shiat-covered toilet paper like American Thinker, WND, TownHall, etc.

And I'm appalled by that fact.</i>

BEARS
BEARS
BEARS

/too lazy to find the pic...
 
2012-09-21 01:42:04 PM

lantawa: derp


I see no difference between this and your teahead friends, other than extremists using it as a cover for their assholery.
 
2012-09-21 01:50:56 PM
The other thing that is obvious here is that insults to Islam or the Prophet are merely excuses or triggers for anti-American (or Western) protests and riots. The actual cause of anti-American (or Western) protests and riots is American (or Western) policy in the region - that is, support for dictatorships, interventions, and ongoing military operations. For anyone to pretend that movies or cartoons are the root cause of this anger and resentment is absurd...disingenuous at best, self-serving bullsh*t at worst. That these societies are largely dysfunctional in the modern industrial context, and that therefore regional conditions practically necessitate interventions (because of petroleum, principally), is beside the point. It's the interventions, stupid (not the insults).
 
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