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(CNN)   CNN lists top BBQ joints in the country. The majority in Texas? Check. None in any other southern states? Check. List on the left, whinin' on the right, y'all   (eatocracy.cnn.com) divider line 341
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2012-09-21 01:16:36 PM  

PallMall: 2KanZam: I have had great BBQ in:

-Georgia
-North Carolina
-South Carolina
-Tennessee
-West Virginia
-hell even California

But every frickin' time I go to Texas I try to find decent bbq. Every Frickin time it sucks...I don't get it. I literally can rarely finish it (which I love to eat and hate to waste food)

So yes Texas Barbeque sucks.

*checks profile*

Ahhhh, WV.

You get a pass on this one. It is my understanding that the taste buds on most West Virginas haven't evolved past Opossum, Rat, Racoon, etc due to the limitations of the gene pool.




I can smoke a whistlepig to taste better than the bbq I've had in Texas. (that's a groundhog so ya know)

Funny, my family actually has ALL lived in texas for some time except for me (Tyler, Auston, Houston, Galveston, Dallas, Plano and others). Every one of them after a few years decided that it sucked and they came back.

OH and had two good friends move down there after college. Both hated it and moved (heck one even likes CT better)

I used to be in the oil and gas industry and has spent lots of time there, offered a job making twice the pay...no thanks.

You can have Texas and your superior genes for all I care.


/props for being a Texan and believing in evolution though!
 
2012-09-21 01:17:07 PM  
If you don't have Dreamland in Birmingham on the list it's not a proper list. Yum.

farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2012-09-21 01:17:32 PM  

Langdon Alger: I'm from texas and I think this list is crap----texas for the beef, KC & memphis for the ribs, and south east coast/carolina style for the pulled pork. And as a bonus Pac Nw for the smoked fish. Each reagion has a specialty but it doesn't mean you can't find a place in each region that BBQ's everything pretty damn good. Hell, I know some pit masters who could put a rubber boot on a low, slow, smokey indirect fire and make you write home to momma about how damn good it was.


For KC, for regional specialties, I'm going to add burnt ends and "miscellaneous". Seriously, a few joints have been working on and making some damn good BBQ chicken (best served whole), and a few more have basically come to the opinion that there isn't anything that can't/shouldn't be barbecued, and are willing to have a go at anything.

Otherwise, I'm with you. It's funny, as much as people get up in arms over which region's BBQ is best, here locally people get just as passionate about their favorite joint. Myself, I have my favorites at each.
 
2012-09-21 01:17:53 PM  
2KanZam: So yes Texas Barbeque sucks.

You aren't going to the right places or have awful taste. Any list needs to include Franklin and Snow's to be taken seriously. At both places, if you aren't there by 9am you will walk away empty handed. Black's was a bit of a surprise b/c in my opinion, it's the *third* best place in Lockhart, TX behind Smitty's and Kruez. My list for central Texas is:

1) Franklin (by a wide margin)
2) Kruez
3) The Salt Lick
4) Smitty's
5) Lambert's
6) Rudy's (a bit gimmicky but still decent)
7) Black's
8) County Line

I haven't been to Snow's or J. Mueller but I've heard great things about both.
 
2012-09-21 01:17:58 PM  

Bill McKay: PallMall: Citrate1007: #1 People will never agree on BBQ
#2 If you need sauce at a BBQ joint then you suck at BBQ

BBQ Rule 4: The exception for using sauce (must be made on same site as BBQ) is when you've pulled the leftovers out of the fridge 3 or more days following - and need to bring it back to life.

What's this "leftovers" you speak of?


Ahhh, you haven't learned the secret method of satisfying the inevitable cravings that come in the days following a BBQ feast. I will impart this method to you know, in this public forum....

Method A - DIY BBQ
1. After estimating the required meat quantities to be purchased, use this simple mathematical equation.
Meat Quantity Estimate * 2 = Leftovers
2. Purchase said meat (using the equation) and BBQ ALL of it.
3. Engorge thyself on said BBQ
4. Have the creature known as "wife" hide the rest from you before you recover enough for additional partaking.
5. Within 3 days or so, after you've cleared the beer shelf in the fridge, you'll notice a mystery pack stashed behind it. TAKE IT OUT - IT IS LEFTOVERS!

Method B - BBQ from an establishment
1. Order the largest BBQ plate they have (generally the "Three Meat")
2. Have aforementioned "wife" order the same.
3. Upon ordering a refill of your unsweet iced tea, place another order for a three meat plate, specifying that it is "to go."
4. On the way home, consume the meat from the box your wife required (unless she's 250 on the hoof, then make sure to order TWO plates to go) and order her to hide the "to go" order from you.
5. Within 3 days or so, after you've cleared the beer shelf in the fridge, you'll notice a mystery pack stashed behind it. TAKE IT OUT - IT IS LEFTOVERS!
 
2012-09-21 01:20:10 PM  
As a native Texan, I want y'all to know that although the three TX joints mentioned are good they missed a bunch that are better. Leon's an the in&out house in Galveston were excellent before the storm, getting back to being good.
 
2012-09-21 01:20:20 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: JammerJim: Civil_War2_Time: USCLaw2010: No matter how much Texans want beef to be BBQ, it never will be.

No native Texans think beef is BBQ.

Both of you are terribly, terribly wrong, God have mercy on your misguided souls.

Semantics, fellow Texan. When was the last time you had BBQ beef?


A valid point. BBQ *is* beef. Saying BBQ beef is like saying beef beef. It's redundant.

/not that smoked pig or chicken is a bad thing, mind you
 
2012-09-21 01:20:40 PM  
stickylipsbbq.com
 
2012-09-21 01:22:27 PM  

2KanZam:
I can smoke a whistlepig to taste better than the bbq I've had in Texas. (that's a groundhog so ya know)


Undoubtably. Anything would be better than dried beef soaked in canned tomato sauce.

My granddad used to play an elaborate joke on visitors with a groundhog. We shoot them all the time and whenever we had a fresh one he'd make this big to-do over boiling it in an iron pot over coals. Took all day (which of course involved sitting around with a few sips of bourbon, telling lies, discussing politics, etc) and all kinds of added herbs and stuff.

At the very end of the day, he'd kick the pot over so it drained into the woods and say: "That's all you can do with a groundhog. Now let's go to Riverside Cafe and get something decent to eat."
 
2012-09-21 01:23:03 PM  

killdawabbitt: I can say this list fails without mention of City Market in Luling, TX.


There's a dilemma... You see, in Houston, Texas, there is a place called "Luling City Market" which serves horrendous BBQ, and is a real shame. They used trickery to confuse citizens, BBQ enthusiasts and the like by picking a name which resembles one of Central Texas' great BBQ houses - and sold garbage.

In the confusion, even food critics are unsure as to how to judge BBQ from any place called "Luling" or "City Market" because it could have been a divine experience, or a miserable one.

Never forget that after a large meal of BBQ and cold beer that is the accepted standard, one tends to drift away into a euphoric state and may not understand where they are or were in the moments before.
 
2012-09-21 01:24:13 PM  

Pine Oil Funeral: error 303: Based only on places I've ever actually been to, I'd say, in order:

Gates (Kansas City)
Oklahoma Joe's (Kansas City)
Pappy's (Saint Louis)
Arthur Bryant's (Kansas City)
Rooster's (Saint Paul)

Honorable mention :
Jack Stack (Kansas City)

And then a bunch of other stuff... Never been to Texas other than the Airport, but I'm not a fan of any of the Carolina barbecue stuff...

As you are from Missouri too, next time your rolling to St. Louis, stop in St. Peters and try Lil Mickey's Memphis BBQ. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

/Eating PP sammy from there right now


Noted. Everytime I'm in St. Louis for work, my coworkers want to eat at Bandana's. It makes me :( That place is terrible.
 
2012-09-21 01:28:35 PM  
Squealers in Indianapolis is pretty damn good, too...

2012 Grand Champion Overall
 
2012-09-21 01:30:45 PM  
Want good BBQ? Follow the Colored Peoples. They always know the best BBQ around and they usually make it.
 
2012-09-21 01:30:52 PM  

pute kisses like a man: PallMall: barbacoa = barbecue.

they're cognates. that was all that my point was supposed to make. in the south, people have taken a dogmatic and very limiting approach to barbecue.

personally, I prefer to broaden my culinary horizons as opposed to limit them. these bbq arguments always tick me off, because it's too much about style and never about substance.

to me, bbq is cooking dead things with fire/smoke. every region has a special way of doing it. if someone were to say their favorites, I'd be happy, but instead it's a long debacle about how everyone else is wrong.

my only standard is taste. history is only helpful if it tastes better.


I with you on this one. Good bbq knows no geographical limitations, and the best bbq is what you want it to be.

Your taste in beer sucks, though. :P
 
2012-09-21 01:31:46 PM  

iamskibibitz: 2KanZam: So yes Texas Barbeque sucks.

You aren't going to the right places or have awful taste. Any list needs to include Franklin and Snow's to be taken seriously. At both places, if you aren't there by 9am you will walk away empty handed. Black's was a bit of a surprise b/c in my opinion, it's the *third* best place in Lockhart, TX behind Smitty's and Kruez. My list for central Texas is:

1) Franklin (by a wide margin)
2) Kruez
3) The Salt Lick
4) Smitty's
5) Lambert's
6) Rudy's (a bit gimmicky but still decent)
7) Black's
8) County Line

I haven't been to Snow's or J. Mueller but I've heard great things about both.



Haven't been to any of those, but I research everytime I'm down there and have yet to find one. Your list sir, gives me hope that the journey is not over!
 
2012-09-21 01:32:36 PM  

SapperInTexas: Cooper's BBQ in Llano.

/off to RTFA...
//List failed, but at least Kreuz Market got a mention 
///It's all about the meat


YESSSSSS!!!! Home of the "Big Chop." The original location in Llano kicks ass, but the ones in New Braunfels & Ft. Worth are great, too.

Additional list FAIL without mention of...
wayoutwestaustin.com

Some of the best BBQ EVAR!
 
2012-09-21 01:32:53 PM  

charnov: Squealers in Indianapolis is pretty damn good, too...

2012 Grand Champion Overall


FAIL

Sam's Club isn't qualified to give out awards for meat, just fat.
 
2012-09-21 01:34:21 PM  

brnt00: [images1.makefive.com image 250x288]

/And a tall Ape Hanger Ale on the side please.


This and That... Love the Dino
 
2012-09-21 01:34:23 PM  

Another Government Employee: sid2112: mr_bunny: Fox Bros BBQ in Decatur, GA should be on that list as well.

I've been there many times, fantastic BBQ! I live in Canton. They completely failed to mention KC, failed to mention North Carolina, which has some of the most amazing BBQ ever eaten by anyone anywhere. For flying spagetti monster's sake those libtards over at CNN can't get anything right can they?

Any place that has a tree fall in it and the patrons just shift their chairs to keep eating has got to be good.


It's that good!
 
2012-09-21 01:35:40 PM  
Memphis BBQ is pretty awesome.

BUT

I've got to give props to the Short Stop in Bloomington, IN. Yeah, sure, its hard to sell it to the nonbelievers when the fact that it is a gas station with a mini-mart, but DAYUM, it is awesome.

I live not too far away from it and it is painful to drive my kiddo to school and NOT stop for some on the way back.
 
2012-09-21 01:35:49 PM  

RDixon: Ya'll, along with CNN are wrong.

The best BBQ in the universe is what I make from a secret recipe.

The secret is Jack Daniels.


Well sure, once you're drunk enough, you'll think anything tastes good.
 
2012-09-21 01:38:03 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: No NC BBQ? Talk about a poorly reasoned list.


You disspoint me.

Slows
 
2012-09-21 01:38:44 PM  

killdawabbitt: Also, KC and StL BBQ are very different than Texas style BBQ, so probably should be on a separate list.


Yes, Texas being actual BBQ and KC being vinegar based salad dressing.
 
2012-09-21 01:39:11 PM  

JackieRabbit: Want good BBQ? Follow the Colored Peoples. They always know the best BBQ around and they usually make it.


www.vagabondish.com

/Blue is a color
 
2012-09-21 01:42:05 PM  

The Southern Logic Company: Cythraul:
I highly distrust any "BBQ" restaurant north of the Mason Dixon, especially those run by chefs. They call "Grilling" "Barbequing" up there! The horror!

/NC style is my favorite
//GA is a close second
///Brunswick stew > *


Oddly enough, back in 1995 and '96 I lived out of a suitcase bouncing around the US. Best BBQ I had was in Rochester, MN (best. sauce. ever.). It didn't seem that strange after I found out that the place is basically the company town of the Mayo Clinic (something like 25% of the population are relatives of patients). Near as I can tell is that it sold out to become Famous Dave's (please, somebody tell me it's still there). The sauce they sell is good, but nothing like the non-industrial processed stuff they sold back then.
 
2012-09-21 01:42:50 PM  

jmr61: If you don't have Dreamland in Birmingham Tuscaloosa on the list it's not a proper list. Yum.

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 640x426]


img.groundspeak.com

FTFY
 
2012-09-21 01:43:41 PM  
www.cleverdonkey.com

Here's a brisket slow-cooked in my Texas backyard...
 
2012-09-21 01:46:31 PM  

Cythraul: [www.delish.com image 400x400]

Look at the deliciousness that is a North Carolina pulled pork sammich.


Yes, but you should put the slaw on top.
 
2012-09-21 01:47:57 PM  
They took 14th at the Jack Daniels World BBQ Invitational Championship 2011. That's pretty damn good.

Superbowl of barbeque

PallMall: charnov: Squealers in Indianapolis is pretty damn good, too...

2012 Grand Champion Overall

FAIL

Sam's Club isn't qualified to give out awards for meat, just fat.

 
2012-09-21 01:48:45 PM  

error 303: Pine Oil Funeral: error 303: Based only on places I've ever actually been to, I'd say, in order:

Gates (Kansas City)
Oklahoma Joe's (Kansas City)
Pappy's (Saint Louis)
Arthur Bryant's (Kansas City)
Rooster's (Saint Paul)

Honorable mention :
Jack Stack (Kansas City)

And then a bunch of other stuff... Never been to Texas other than the Airport, but I'm not a fan of any of the Carolina barbecue stuff...

As you are from Missouri too, next time your rolling to St. Louis, stop in St. Peters and try Lil Mickey's Memphis BBQ. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

/Eating PP sammy from there right now

Noted. Everytime I'm in St. Louis for work, my coworkers want to eat at Bandana's. It makes me :( That place is terrible.


I agree with that. Mickeys is a couple blocks off the Cave Springs exit on I-70 in St. Peters. I swear by the place, even though it's in a old Taco Bell building. There up on Facebook for the address. Their old place had literally 6 chairs, and usually a line out the door. There's supposed to be a new place called Hendricks in St. Charles but I haven't tried them yet.
 
2012-09-21 01:48:59 PM  
The correct eastern NC method:

www.berfrois.com


Note the pot of stew for the complete meal, plus crowd of happy relatives and friends in background.

There's a jug of bourbon in there somewhere . . .
 
2012-09-21 01:49:06 PM  

Voiceofreason01: As a Kansas City native: this list is terrible


done in one
 
2012-09-21 01:50:19 PM  

ManRay: Texas has brisket down, but BBQ is pork.

The best tailgate BBQ is Boners BBQ. It's right next to Turner Field, so you can stop in before a Braves game and get a few pounds of pulled pork.


Brisket is meant to be dog food. So yes Texas can feed thier pets.
 
2012-09-21 01:52:30 PM  

CreepyBasementGuy: ManRay: Texas has brisket down, but BBQ is pork.

The best tailgate BBQ is Boners BBQ. It's right next to Turner Field, so you can stop in before a Braves game and get a few pounds of pulled pork.

Brisket is meant to be dog food. So yes Texas can feed thier pets.


Naw, they don't even do that right. If you want brisket, go to a deli, especially around Passover, and get something that hasn't been cooked to death.
 
2012-09-21 01:53:32 PM  
Women know dick about BBQ
 
2012-09-21 01:57:58 PM  

Browncoat: jmr61: If you don't have Dreamland in Birmingham Tuscaloosa on the list it's not a proper list. Yum.

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 640x426]

[img.groundspeak.com image 600x450]

FTFY


I've always wanted to go to the original. We have a Dreamland near me, but I'm told by those in the know it simply isn't even close to the original.

There's fantastic BBQ to be had in every state from Virginia to Texas. The best places are dives. It the restaurant sells their sauce in commercial packaging, they forgot how to make BBQ long ago. Find someplace else.
 
2012-09-21 01:59:13 PM  
I'll just leave this here:

activerain.com
 
2012-09-21 01:59:20 PM  
 
2012-09-21 01:59:32 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: The correct eastern NC method:

[www.berfrois.com image 500x361]


Note the pot of stew for the complete meal, plus crowd of happy relatives and friends in background.

There's a jug of bourbon in there somewhere . . .


Are they singin' like birds?
 
2012-09-21 02:01:29 PM  

JackieRabbit: Want good BBQ? Follow the Colored Peoples. They always know the best BBQ around and they usually make it.


Yuuuuup. hence my preference for Jaspers.

/oldest BBQ joint in Waco
 
2012-09-21 02:04:16 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Women know dick about BBQ


something something smoked sausage
 
2012-09-21 02:06:29 PM  
Jack's in Nashville
 
2012-09-21 02:08:59 PM  

charnov: WTF is barbecue?


Interesting stuff, that. It is also interesting to note that the BBQ in Texas is of Southwestern/Mexico Indian origin, while that in the South East is of Cherokee origin.

StaleCoffee: Dogfacedgod: Women know dick about BBQ

something something smoked sausage


They know how to turn a Vienna sausage into a kiełbasa! Good stuff.
 
2012-09-21 02:10:33 PM  

LurkinFarker: I won't disagree with any of those in the top 5, but you forgot Wilber's!


I have a bottle of Wilber's sauce in my fridge right now. Bootlegged on request by a co-worker who has family up there.
 
2012-09-21 02:13:41 PM  
Thankfully no one has thrown up Sonny's or Slopes

we'll it has been thrown up but not as good nor in this thread.
 
2012-09-21 02:16:27 PM  
"Hill Country BBQ" is code word for BBQ from central Texas and sure enough, they are a BBQ outreach aimed at the expatriate Texans and the heathens in New York. So that only leaves the heretic in California as non Texan and his shop has some bad ratings from the heathens there.
 
2012-09-21 02:17:18 PM  
Look, for all you sinfully ignorant heathens saying things like:

JammerJim: A valid point. BBQ *is* beef. Saying BBQ beef is like saying beef beef. It's redundant.

/not that smoked pig or chicken is a bad thing, mind you


No. The Good Lord, when He gave barbeques to the good people of North Carolina, and explained to them how acids and sweetness complement each other in the Holy Pulled Pork sandwich, decreed that barbeque is a verb, not a noun. Eventually, the heathen people from across the mountains, being unable to improve on Eastern Carolina Barbeque, started calling everything cool on something that you USE to barbeque "bbq". This is to hide the fact they sully their meat with contaminating smokes, tomato residues, oily mixtures, and other unholy basting ingredients. 

Some of that meat above may have BEEN barbequed, but this IS what good God fearing christians should call A barbeque:

www.smokymtbarbecue.com
 
2012-09-21 02:18:30 PM  

Nightsweat: [www.vagabondish.com image 800x533]

/Blue is a color


ytrewq.com
 
2012-09-21 02:21:33 PM  

TheraTx: Thankfully no one has thrown up Sonny's or Slopes

we'll it has been thrown up but not as good nor in this thread.


I just threw up a little in the back of my throat. That crap ain't BBQ. Hell, sonny's stoops to using Liquid Smoke these days. Ate (tried to) there once about 10 years ago. It was vile. Never been back.

Fat Matt's down on Piedmont is the place to go. Their pulled pork isn't all that, but their ribs are righteous.
 
2012-09-21 02:22:58 PM  
You'd think that craptastic article's writer or editor would have taken a step back, looked at it, realized that it had NOT ONE place in the South (home of Barbeque) and thought "Ya know, maybe I ought to expand my sample size".
 
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