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2012-09-21 03:16:55 PM
This just in: quarterbacks don't like getting hit.

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2012-09-21 03:23:10 PM
Maybe just be a pocket passer and not a running threat and perhaps opposing players might not be looking to blast you into next week. Speaking of running QBs, I think they need to get rid of the slide rule. If you cross the line of scrimmage, you're a running back clear and simple and deserve get tackled like one.
 
2012-09-21 03:23:59 PM

4NSpy: [gifsforum.com image 494x359]

He needs to spend less time complaining and more time worrying about how he'll cover up a Nike logo next week.




RG3's Jimmy Status

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2012-09-21 03:39:20 PM
I was told rustling the jimmy is extra.
 
2012-09-21 03:51:46 PM

Snargi: Maybe just be a pocket passer and not a running threat and perhaps opposing players might not be looking to blast you into next week. Speaking of running QBs, I think they need to get rid of the slide rule. If you cross the line of scrimmage, you're a running back clear and simple and deserve get tackled like one.


No chance. The NFL isn't going to risk having a marquee QB get concussed by some schmoe linebacker on a scramble play. Got to protect the players who sell jerseys, and got to protect the guys who put points on the board.
 
2012-09-21 03:56:10 PM

Snargi: Maybe just be a pocket passer and not a running threat and perhaps opposing players might not be looking to blast you into next week. Speaking of running QBs, I think they need to get rid of the slide rule. If you cross the line of scrimmage, you're a running back clear and simple and deserve get tackled like one.


May Splat subscribe to your newsletter?
 
2012-09-21 04:01:25 PM

Snargi: Maybe just be a pocket passer and not a running threat and perhaps opposing players might not be looking to blast you into next week. Speaking of running QBs, I think they need to get rid of the slide rule. If you cross the line of scrimmage, you're a running back clear and simple and deserve get tackled like one.


I think the slide rule is fine since they spot it where you start the slide, not where you end up. There's no need for the defense to lay a hit on a sliding qb since he is already down and isn't picking up more yards.
 
2012-09-21 04:02:53 PM

4NSpy: I think the slide rule is fine since they spot it where you start the slide, not where you end up.


Well, most refs do. Not necessarily these current ones.
 
2012-09-21 04:10:40 PM

IAmRight: Well, most refs do. Not necessarily these current ones.


FWIW, I'm not just going to refer to them as "refs" and just call them what they are. "I can't believe the Director of Sales at Widget Inc missed the holding call" or "There's no reason the University of Iowa economics professor should take this long to reverse the call".
 
2012-09-21 04:17:01 PM

Killer Cars: Any accusations of dirty play or otherwise "unprofessional conduct" against a team employing Cortland Finnegan I will automatically assume to be true.


I love it--has he been replaced as the players' "most hated player", or is the title still his?
 
2012-09-21 04:20:18 PM
Having seen the game, I have to say that RG III whined the whole damned time, including turning to the ref and biatching he had gotten hit ... after he ran across the line of scrimmage.

/that sort of biatchin's only going to make things worse
 
2012-09-21 04:26:25 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having seen the game, I have to say that RG III whined the whole damned time, including turning to the ref and biatching he had gotten hit ... after he ran across the line of scrimmage.

/that sort of biatchin's only going to make things worse


That's what he does. Did it all through college too. He'll also flop like an Italian every now and then on close plays trying to draw a cheap roughing penalty.

He's a whiny primadonna biatch. He has skills, sure, but mental toughness is way down that list.
 
2012-09-21 05:29:54 PM

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Considering the average lifespan of a RB, and how the Saints ended up using Bush, you're right. Williams was probably the better choice.

Bush getting this revival in Miami is a surprise. I'd left him on the trash heap two years ago.

Kind of unfair to blame Bush, though. It's not like the Saints use RBs as a typical RB - whenever Bush did get 20 carries in a game, he did pretty well. It's just that it's kinda tough to get going and be consistent when you're only given 6-10 carries/game. It's entirely possible that had Bush gone to Houston, he could've been dominant. (though still, an RB doesn't matter as much as other positions and shouldn't be taken so high).


Pretty much. Pierre Thomas would be a goddamn superstar if he played for somebody like Houston. I disagree about RBs not being that important though. If you can't run the ball, then the other team is going to just drop everybody back into coverage and make passing a pain in the ass. The best way to improve your passing game is to have a good running game.
 
2012-09-21 05:33:53 PM

umad: Pretty much. Pierre Thomas would be a goddamn superstar if he played for somebody like Houston. I disagree about RBs not being that important though. If you can't run the ball, then the other team is going to just drop everybody back into coverage and make passing a pain in the ass. The best way to improve your passing game is to have a good running game.


Not as important as they used to be - you don't need a big name guy as much today. Which is why Shanahan is running a revolving-door of nobody RBs and tormenting fantasy owners.
 
2012-09-21 05:37:35 PM

Treygreen13: umad: Pretty much. Pierre Thomas would be a goddamn superstar if he played for somebody like Houston. I disagree about RBs not being that important though. If you can't run the ball, then the other team is going to just drop everybody back into coverage and make passing a pain in the ass. The best way to improve your passing game is to have a good running game.

Not as important as they used to be - you don't need a big name guy as much today. Which is why Shanahan is running a revolving-door of nobody RBs and tormenting fantasy owners.


Individual backs aren't as important as they used to be since everybody is going "by committee", but the running game is just as important as it ever was. The reason they are all nobodies is because they are sharing the stats. They still need to be good. Hell, they need to be better than they used to be since they do much more blocking and pass catching than they used to.
 
2012-09-21 05:49:20 PM

umad: Individual backs aren't as important as they used to be since everybody is going "by committee", but the running game is just as important as it ever was


The running game is always important. But you don't necessarily need to spend the #1 overall pick in the draft. Which is where this conversation began.
 
2012-09-21 06:18:31 PM

umad: I disagree about RBs not being that important though. If you can't run the ball, then the other team is going to just drop everybody back into coverage and make passing a pain in the ass


And with that you just described the NO/CAR game. Thomas was able to muster 110 yards though. While he's a very good back, he's not superstar enough that teams won't forfeit some ground yardage to shut down Drew Brees and our receivers who, until recently, caught everything thrown at them.

I do want to clarify that I'm a huge Pierre Thomas fan. The dude has the balls to get post-touch yardage and it takes a whole village to bring him down sometimes. But if you're coaching, wouldn't you rather go after Drew Brees and his nearly freakish ability to pull fortyburgers out of his ass?
 
2012-09-21 06:24:14 PM

Treygreen13: umad: Individual backs aren't as important as they used to be since everybody is going "by committee", but the running game is just as important as it ever was

The running game is always important. But you don't necessarily need to spend the #1 overall pick in the draft. Which is where this conversation began.


Remember when your first round fantasy pick was always a running back? People still swear by that 'wisdom.' I've been taking QBs for a few years now that nearly everything is a committee. It's also why I never, ever pick Saints wideouts or TEs. There's so many weapons on that team (presuming they return to form) that only an idiot would pin his hopes on Colston when Brees would throw a TD pass to a naked streaker fan if he thought it would get him 6 pts.
 
2012-09-21 06:48:42 PM

Treygreen13: umad: Individual backs aren't as important as they used to be since everybody is going "by committee", but the running game is just as important as it ever was

The running game is always important. But you don't necessarily need to spend the #1 overall pick in the draft. Which is where this conversation began.


You don't necessarily need to, but that isn't the same thing as saying that you never should. A first round RB is usually a pretty damn good RB. A first round QB doesn't turn out that well nearly as often. For every Peyton, there are ten Leafs. I think a QB is a much worse #1 pick in general.
 
2012-09-21 06:55:56 PM

dickfreckle: umad: I disagree about RBs not being that important though. If you can't run the ball, then the other team is going to just drop everybody back into coverage and make passing a pain in the ass

And with that you just described the NO/CAR game. Thomas was able to muster 110 yards though. While he's a very good back, he's not superstar enough that teams won't forfeit some ground yardage to shut down Drew Brees and our receivers who, until recently, caught everything thrown at them.


The only reason he "isn't superstar enough" is because he only gets like 8 carries a game. His YPC is always absurd.

I do want to clarify that I'm a huge Pierre Thomas fan. The dude has the balls to get post-touch yardage and it takes a whole village to bring him down sometimes. But if you're coaching, wouldn't you rather go after Drew Brees and his nearly freakish ability to pull fortyburgers out of his ass?

If I'm coaching, I let Brees light it up but trade Ingram and give his carries to Thomas.
 
2012-09-21 07:01:55 PM

umad: Treygreen13: umad: Individual backs aren't as important as they used to be since everybody is going "by committee", but the running game is just as important as it ever was

The running game is always important. But you don't necessarily need to spend the #1 overall pick in the draft. Which is where this conversation began.

You don't necessarily need to, but that isn't the same thing as saying that you never should. A first round RB is usually a pretty damn good RB. A first round QB doesn't turn out that well nearly as often. For every Peyton, there are ten Leafs. I think a QB is a much worse #1 pick in general.


The data say otherwise.

In addition, you have to consider supply and demand. The question is not only what kind of player your draft pick will be, but what your draft pick will be relative to someone you take later. In the first round you can get someone who averages 90 yards per game and in the third or fourth round you might get a league-average back who averages 70 yards per game behind the same line and with the same opportunities. Or, if not in the middle rounds, maybe you can land one of a handful of readily available free agents who are kicking around every year. Do you think you can count on getting a quality starting QB in the middle rounds or on the middle-tier free agent market?
 
2012-09-21 07:09:54 PM

Super Chronic: Do you think you can count on getting a quality starting QB in the middle rounds or on the middle-tier free agent market?


You can't count on getting a quality starting QB in any round. That was my point.
 
2012-09-21 07:11:20 PM

umad: Super Chronic: Do you think you can count on getting a quality starting QB in the middle rounds or on the middle-tier free agent market?

You can't count on getting a quality starting QB in any round. That was my point.


But your chances are significantly better in the first round than in any other round.
 
2012-09-21 07:14:49 PM

umad: Super Chronic: Do you think you can count on getting a quality starting QB in the middle rounds or on the middle-tier free agent market?

You can't count on getting a quality starting QB in any round. That was my point.


And according to that data, it was more likely that Reggie Bush would be a pro-bowler than Mario Williams.

But what we were talking about still stands - the "feature back" isn't as important of a position as it used to be. Not to say that the running game isn't important, or that you can never get a 1st round back that is worth the pick, or any other way you want to try to argue this differently.
 
2012-09-21 07:24:22 PM
Sissy
 
2012-09-21 07:45:45 PM

Snargi: Maybe just be a pocket passer and not a running threat and perhaps opposing players might not be looking to blast you into next week. Speaking of running QBs, I think they need to get rid of the slide rule. If you cross the line of scrimmage, you're a running back clear and simple and deserve get tackled like one.


Let me just quote Adam Carriker (Lost for the season) on this:

I don't know, but it looked like they're coached to play that way. I don't know if that's the truth, but that's just what it looked like. I mean, I saw [London Fletcher] on the ground, the O-lineman jumps on him.

You know, there were guys on the sideline talking about the guy was twisting my ankle under the pile, or this guy was talking about I'm gonna take your knees out after a play. Some guys said it was the dirtiest game they'd ever played in. And I'd never seen anything quite like it, just because it looked like they could explode at any second."


OR .maybe look at the game film and see one of the Rams trying to drag RGIII across the field by his face mask AFTER he was already on his back, after the play had been over for 4-5 seconds and right in front of one of the Magoo squad that the league laughingly calls "refs". that happened at least tiwce that I saw.

Given that the Rams managed to inure Josh Hamilton (concussion on a late hit) Fred Davis (helmet to helmet cheap shot for which Janoris jenkins will be writing a $15,000 check to the league.) AND draw fines of $7,875 for a hit to the head of Redskins left tackle Trent Williams)($7,875 for a late hit on Redskins linebacker London Fletcher). I say they are some dirty cheating-ass biatches, and a team as reliant on two players as the Rams are had better be careful about playing that way

This ain't Night Train Lane's league anymore
 
2012-09-21 07:49:03 PM

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2012-09-21 08:10:51 PM
it just alerted all the refs to keep an eye on dirty play. smart move by rgiii
 
2012-09-21 08:16:50 PM

Treygreen13: umad: Super Chronic: Do you think you can count on getting a quality starting QB in the middle rounds or on the middle-tier free agent market?

You can't count on getting a quality starting QB in any round. That was my point.

And according to that data, it was more likely that Reggie Bush would be a pro-bowler than Mario Williams.

But what we were talking about still stands - the "feature back" isn't as important of a position as it used to be. Not to say that the running game isn't important, or that you can never get a 1st round back that is worth the pick, or any other way you want to try to argue this differently.


That was what I was arguing against when this all started. You are agreeing with me.
 
2012-09-21 08:32:32 PM

dickfreckle: umad: I disagree about RBs not being that important though. If you can't run the ball, then the other team is going to just drop everybody back into coverage and make passing a pain in the ass

And with that you just described the NO/CAR game. Thomas was able to muster 110 yards though. While he's a very good back, he's not superstar enough that teams won't forfeit some ground yardage to shut down Drew Brees and our receivers who, until recently, caught everything thrown at them.

I do want to clarify that I'm a huge Pierre Thomas fan. The dude has the balls to get post-touch yardage and it takes a whole village to bring him down sometimes. But if you're coaching, wouldn't you rather go after Drew Brees and his nearly freakish ability to pull fortyburgers out of his ass?


Pierre Thomas is a bad motherfarker, and I'm a huge fan, too, but I just remembered I had this, so I figure I'd drop it:

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2012-09-21 09:44:43 PM
Obviously Gregg Williams has already started his job there.
 
2012-09-21 10:56:59 PM
Not surprising.

Jeff Fisher teams are dirty as heck.
 
2012-09-21 11:09:01 PM

Coach_J: Not surprising.

Jeff Fisher teams are dirty as heck.


He stomped out any dirty play back in Tennessee.
 
2012-09-21 11:36:43 PM

4NSpy: Coach_J: Not surprising.

Jeff Fisher teams are dirty as heck.

He stomped out any dirty play back in Tennessee.


He hired cortland finnegan, not once, but TWICE.
 
2012-09-21 11:40:55 PM

I sound fat: 4NSpy: Coach_J: Not surprising.

Jeff Fisher teams are dirty as heck.

He stomped out any dirty play back in Tennessee.

He hired cortland finnegan, not once, but TWICE.


Hey, he may only be average at the position he plays (I don't know), but what I do know is that he's been pulling his crap for years, and every year dumbasses fall for it. Yes, he said rude things. Yes, he hit you late. He did these things to provoke a response. Oh look, you've gotten your dumb ass thrown out of the game. Hey, a 15 yard penalty during a critical drive.

If you're going to kick his ass for saying something, wait and meet him in the parking lot, or STFU and GBTW.
 
2012-09-22 12:13:34 AM
The Rams won.
 
2012-09-22 07:21:18 AM
I love it that everyone is calling RGIII a whiner when anyone could see that even if the worst regular officiating crew in the league* was officiating, the game would not have gotten as out of hand as it did. And hell, that game wasn't even the dirtiest of the weekend.

*The worst officiating crew in the league being, of course, as it has every year since 2001, the crew headed by Terry McAulay.
 
2012-09-22 10:58:37 AM

umad: The only reason he "isn't superstar enough" is because he only gets like 8 carries a game. His YPC is always absurd.


Agreed, and I should have mentioned that.
 
2012-09-22 09:47:04 PM

born_yesterday: Hey, he may only be average at the position he plays (I don't know), but what I do know is that he's been pulling his crap for years, and every year dumbasses fall for it. Yes, he said rude things. Yes, he hit you late. He did these things to provoke a response. Oh look, you've gotten your dumb ass thrown out of the game. Hey, a 15 yard penalty during a critical drive.

If you're going to kick his ass for saying something, wait and meet him in the parking lot, or STFU and GBTW.


Yup. People make good money being "that guy" in hockey - Finnegan is easily the best at it in the NFL. I really want to hear his "mic'd up" segment. (Why doesn't anyone mic him up? Holy sh*t. I mean, he didn't even touch Morgan when Morgan threw the ball at him. What did he say?)
 
2012-09-24 01:42:56 PM
That BS hit-out-of-bounds-call against the Rams, at what point in the game was that? It was early, right?
 
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