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(ABC Local)   Colorado prosecutors give up efforts to get Holmes' notebook, will never find out how The Sign of the Four ends. (with a picture of Holmes after a dose of seven-per-cent solution)   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 74
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2012-09-21 10:53:22 AM  

fireclown: spicorama: No country condones a murderous rampage of unarmed civilians. That's a war crime.

The judgements on that get kind of fine sometimes. Do carpet bombings count?


Of a civilian population with no strategic value? Yes, war crime.

/Not saying it hasn't happened, or that they havent gotten away with it. Hell, maybe it was even necessary (Hiroshima). But still, the wholesale murder of innocents has always been seen as a crime or at the very least something deplorable.
 
2012-09-21 11:05:04 AM  

Leeds: We'll know what it says after we execute him.

I'm of the impression that privileged info like that doesn't have to stay confidential after the dude's been put down.

Fark Lawyers- Is that correct?


That may take care of the privilege issue, but it also removes any reason for the state to demand that the doctor turn over the notebook (since Holmes would have already been convicted). The doctor might be free to publish the contents of the notebook once Holmes is dead, but I don't think that anyone can compel her to do so.
 
2012-09-21 11:06:24 AM  

Shadowtag: Holy crap, he looks like he's been hollowed out and is being worn by a legion of venomous spiders.

/I never said he wouldn't deserve it if that's the case.


It's not nice to make me giggle in the office!

/Prosecutors don't need the notebook. He's guilty. What's more evidence going to do? Make him "extra super guilty"?
 
2012-09-21 11:10:01 AM  

DaCaptain19: The guy is feigning a mental illness. His facial expressions and hair are a big illusion.


It's obvious... you can tell by the pixels.
 
2012-09-21 11:11:18 AM  

natas6.0: He was sane enough to plan it, sane enough to get government grants, sane enough to get the equipment, he was sane when he decided to live after the police gave him a chance to give in.
he's plenty sane

had he showed up at the theater nekked, covered in duck poo and 'shooting' people with a plunger..
I would say the boy was out there flappin'


But he'd have been sane enough to plan that as well, sane enough to get the duck poo, sane enough to get a plunger...
he's plenty sane
 
2012-09-21 11:20:07 AM  
I worked with mentally ill and dangerous people in the past. Most places, they are controlled and monitored more closely than criminals.

Also, rather than prison rape, they have prison rape rape. Many of the inmates are far beyond deviant. One guy I knew had a prolapsed rectum from repeated violent rapes. The crazies are usually left alone in normal prisons. He will be housed with the types that would rape your great-grandmother.
 
2012-09-21 11:22:19 AM  

stonicus: natas6.0: He was sane enough to plan it, sane enough to get government grants, sane enough to get the equipment, he was sane when he decided to live after the police gave him a chance to give in.
he's plenty sane

had he showed up at the theater nekked, covered in duck poo and 'shooting' people with a plunger..
I would say the boy was out there flappin'

But he'd have been sane enough to plan that as well, sane enough to get the duck poo, sane enough to get a plunger...
he's plenty sane


I'm not doctor, but isn't it possible for a paranoid schizophrenic to be functional enough to hold down a job, make plans, gather equipment, etcetera while still honestly believing to the very core of his being that he's being stalked by murderous aliens/assassins/whatever?
 
2012-09-21 11:26:03 AM  
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2012-09-21 11:36:38 AM  

JackieRabbit: I wasn't comparing the relative desirability of mental hospital versus prison. But when one thinks about it, personal security is better in a mental hospital. We don't hear much about gang rapes and beatings by other inmates in mental hospitals, since they keep the most violent patients segregated and medicated.


This guy would probably be in a special wing under watch anyway, since they know there's a definite risk of him either a) committing suicide or b) getting beaten by other inmates. If he's sentenced to death, he'd be on death row. As much as we all like to imagine psychos like this getting what they deserve in prison, the reality is that the more heinous the crime, the more likely it is the person will be isolated from other prisoners.
 
2012-09-21 11:41:28 AM  
scottRiqui
I'm not doctor, but isn't it possible for a paranoid schizophrenic to be functional enough to hold down a job, make plans, gather equipment, etcetera while still honestly believing to the very core of his being that he's being stalked by murderous aliens/assassins/whatever?

When you are able to function within societal rules, you are sane enough to know between right and wrong.
That's the I'm crazy litmus test..do you know right and wrong
 
2012-09-21 11:45:57 AM  

ScottRiqui: stonicus: natas6.0: He was sane enough to plan it, sane enough to get government grants, sane enough to get the equipment, he was sane when he decided to live after the police gave him a chance to give in.
he's plenty sane

had he showed up at the theater nekked, covered in duck poo and 'shooting' people with a plunger..
I would say the boy was out there flappin'

But he'd have been sane enough to plan that as well, sane enough to get the duck poo, sane enough to get a plunger...
he's plenty sane

I'm not doctor, but isn't it possible for a paranoid schizophrenic to be functional enough to hold down a job, make plans, gather equipment, etcetera while still honestly believing to the very core of his being that he's being stalked by murderous aliens/assassins/whatever?


GET OUT OF MY MIND, ALIEN!!!1!1!
 
2012-09-21 11:50:23 AM  
Hoping for a picture of this.

img.trekmovie.com

Leaving totally disappointed.
 
2012-09-21 11:53:56 AM  

JackieRabbit: miscreant: JackieRabbit: This guy's going to get off on an insanity defense.

So he'll be locked up in an asylum instead of a prison. He's still going to be in a cage for the rest of his life regardless. You probably have more freedom and rights in a prison than a mental institution.

I wasn't comparing the relative desirability of mental hospital versus prison. But when one thinks about it, personal security is better in a mental hospital. We don't hear much about gang rapes and beatings by other inmates in mental hospitals, since they keep the most violent patients segregated and medicated they don't have the reporting requirements of prisons.


FTFY
 
2012-09-21 11:59:56 AM  
Insanity is a legal term, not a medical one. Someone can be mentally ill but not legally insane. Someone can also be legally insane but not mentally ill. Also, one does not have to be mentally ill or legally insane to be a murderer. The Norwegian guy who killed all those kids was declared legally sane.
 
2012-09-21 12:18:01 PM  
Oh yeah. Still looks like a nutbag.
 
2012-09-21 12:42:26 PM  
Couple issues...

Insanity has to do with the mental state at the time of the alleged offense. Depending on where in the country one resides, that burden can fall on either the defense or prosecution. Given that his defense team will likely pursue an insanity defense, the issue of competency (having to do with mental state in the 'here and now') to go to trial will also be explored. These issues will certainly involve "expert witness" testimony from licensed forensic psychologists from both sides of the table who through extensive and painstaking observation, evaluation, and assessment will offer opinions related to 1. The presence and acuity of a serious and persistent mental illness (SPMI), 2. opinions of the current state of competency so to proceed with trial, and eventually, 3. opinions related to the state of mind at the time of the crime.

Personally speaking, it is highly likely that this guy meets the criteria for a serious thought disorder like schizophrenia or at minimum, some kind of psychotic disorder. Whether or not this has anything to do with the final result will be the result of the adversarial process. His latest glamor shot speaks volumes, that kind of look is hard to fake. However, recalling the Jared Loughner case, this individual was officially diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia at some point following his arrest. Despite the presence of a serious mental illness, Loughner accepted a plea deal that sent him to prison for the rest of his life. While he will be closely monitored by trained mental health professionals throughout the rest of his life in prison, insanity was not the route taken for him to get there. This may or may not happen with Holmes, however the end result ill find him incarcerated for the rest of his life in either the DOC or the mental health system, both of which he will not leave without a pine box.

D
 
2012-09-21 12:47:18 PM  
So want to reach threw screen, and biatch slap that smirk off his face.
And I still call him Sideshow Bob.
 
2012-09-21 01:33:13 PM  

miscreant: JackieRabbit: I wasn't comparing the relative desirability of mental hospital versus prison. But when one thinks about it, personal security is better in a mental hospital. We don't hear much about gang rapes and beatings by other inmates in mental hospitals, since they keep the most violent patients segregated and medicated.

This guy would probably be in a special wing under watch anyway, since they know there's a definite risk of him either a) committing suicide or b) getting beaten by other inmates. If he's sentenced to death, he'd be on death row. As much as we all like to imagine psychos like this getting what they deserve in prison, the reality is that the more heinous the crime, the more likely it is the person will be isolated from other prisoners.


True enough.

The Jami Turman Fan Club: JackieRabbit: miscreant: JackieRabbit: This guy's going to get off on an insanity defense.

So he'll be locked up in an asylum instead of a prison. He's still going to be in a cage for the rest of his life regardless. You probably have more freedom and rights in a prison than a mental institution.

I wasn't comparing the relative desirability of mental hospital versus prison. But when one thinks about it, personal security is better in a mental hospital. We don't hear much about gang rapes and beatings by other inmates in mental hospitals, since they keep the most violent patients segregated and medicated they don't have the reporting requirements of prisons.

FTFY


I see you've never been in a mental hospital...
 
2012-09-21 02:13:12 PM  
He looks like he has a thyroid disorder. His bulging eyes (which are even worse than his previous mugshot) and now the appearance of his neck...

My mom had a thyroid problem when I was a child. Her neck was puffy, she lost a lot of weight, never slept, her eyes started to bulge out, and she was angry and paranoid. A thyroid storm almost killed her.

If he does have a thyroid problem, it could easily cause the 'dysphoric mania' mentioned in news reports months ago. It could also cause him to experience psychosis. Doesn't explain the whole premeditated mass murder thing though.

Thyroid problems made my mom violent but it was completely impulsive. Like a sudden smack when she thought I sassed her even when I hadn't. There wasn't a premeditated hand reaching back readying a smack before I opened my mouth.

Something is simply seriously wrong with James Holmes.
 
2012-09-21 02:17:00 PM  

spicorama: fireclown: spicorama: No country condones a murderous rampage of unarmed civilians. That's a war crime.

The judgements on that get kind of fine sometimes. Do carpet bombings count?

Of a civilian population with no strategic value? Yes, war crime.

/Not saying it hasn't happened, or that they havent gotten away with it. Hell, maybe it was even necessary (Hiroshima). But still, the wholesale murder of innocents has always been seen as a crime or at the very least something deplorable.


None of this matters. All of those people you guys are talking about are put through a ton of training to desensitize them enough to be able to pull the trigger in the first place. People just aren't very good at killing by default.
 
2012-09-21 03:09:33 PM  
Everyone that's saying he's going to "get off" via an insanity defense, should listen to the excellent Psychosis episode of the Caustic Soda podcast.

Psychosis

The key point for those that don't want to listen, is this:

A judge can lock you up for a period of time, bound by statute. A psychologist can lock you up for the rest of your life, indefinitely. It's not getting off. It's just a different kind of prison.
 
2012-09-21 04:01:45 PM  
I liked him better with the orange hair.
 
2012-09-21 09:21:14 PM  

umad: All of those people you guys are talking about are put through a ton of training to desensitize them enough to be able to pull the trigger in the first place.


That's to reprogram what they've been taught by their upbringing in regular society. People are already programmed in a certain direction before they enter the military, regardless of what their natural inclination is.

I believe humans are similar to chimpanzees. Some of us are naturally inclined to be violent, but it's limited by our society and upbringing - most people don't sway far from social norms. Some are naturally peaceful. And adolescent males of both our species are more inclined to kill for little reason than females.
 
2012-09-22 03:29:31 AM  

RollingThunder: Everyone that's saying he's going to "get off" via an insanity defense, should listen to the excellent Psychosis episode of the Caustic Soda podcast.

Psychosis

The key point for those that don't want to listen, is this:

A judge can lock you up for a period of time, bound by statute. A psychologist can lock you up for the rest of your life, indefinitely. It's not getting off. It's just a different kind of prison.


Too bad the US now believes more in medicating folks than physical restraint..
 
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